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azenyr , to linuxmemes in IT outage: banks, airlines and media hit by issues linked to Windows PCs

Having half of the world depend on a corporate proprietary single company is the stupidest thing ever. They will learn nothing with this, sadly

Thorry84 ,

While you are right, this outage has basically nothing to do with Windows or Microsoft. It’s a Crowdstrike issue.

Diplomjodler3 ,

It also has to do with software updates being performed without the user having any control over them.

Thorry84 ,

Agreed, but again these updates were done by the Crowdstrike software. Nothing to do with Microsoft or Windows.

In this case it was an update to the security component which is specifically designed to protect against exploits on the endpoint. You’d want your security system to be up to date to protect as much as possible against new exploits. So updating this every day is a normal thing. In a corporate environment you do not want you end users to be able to block or postpone security updates.

With Microsoft updates they get rolled out to different so called rings, which get bigger and bigger with each ring. This means every update is already in use by a smaller population, which reduces the chances of an update destroying the world like this greatly.

cron ,

I absolutely expect vendors to push out new patterns automatically and as fast as possible.

But in this case, a new system driver was rolled out. And when updating system software, I absolutely expect security vendors to use a staged rollout like everyone else.

Thorry84 ,

100% agreed, Crowdstrike fucked up with this one. I’m very interested to hear what went wrong. I assume they test their device drivers before deploying them to millions of customers, so something must have gone wrong between testing and deployment.

Something like this simply cannot happen and this will cost them customers. Your reputation is everything in the security business, you trust you security provider to protect your systems. If the trust is gone, they are gone.

thisbenzingring ,

One time years ago, Sophos provided an update the blocked every updater on the machine. Each computer had to be manually updated. They are still in business. My point is that this isnt the first and wont be the last time it happens.

Thorry84 ,

Yeah, I mean Microsoft can release something like Windows 11 and still be in business, so I don’t expect a lot will change. But if you had any stocks in Crowdstrike, RIP.

x1gma ,

I’m very interested to hear what went wrong.

We’ll probably never know. Given the impact of this fuck up, the most that crowdstrike will probably publish is a lawyer-corpo-talk how they did an oopsie doopsie, how complicated, unforseen, and absolutely unavoidable this issue has been, and how they are absolutely not responsible for it, but because they are such a great company and such good guys, they will implement measures that this absolutely, never ever again will happen.

If they admit any smallest wrongdoing whatsoever they will be piledrived by more lawyers than even they’d be able to handle. That’s a lot of CEO yachts in compensations if they will be held responsible.

Botzo ,

Best part? George Kurtz (crowdstrike CEO) won’t be available for handling the fallout. He’s busy racing this weekend.

Car in the entry list gt-world-challenge-america.com/…/virginia-interna…

thedarkfly ,

I disagree. That Crowdstrike crashes is one thing; the issue here is that Windows suffers such a widespread crash, whether it is because of Crowdstrike or for any reason.

CalcProgrammer1 , (edited )
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It’s not specific to Microsoft, but the general idea of letting proprietary software install whatever it wants whenever it wants directly into your kernel is a bad idea regardless. If the user had any control over this update process, organizations could do small scale testing themselves before unleashing the update on their entire userbase. If it were open source software, the code would be reviewed by many more eyes and tested independently by many more teams before release. The core issue is centralizing all trust on one organization, especially when that organization is a business and thus profit-driven above all else which could be an incentive to rush updates.

Empricorn ,

Yes, that would be the “corporate proprietary single company” they mentioned.

ChocoboRocket ,

Are you suggesting lower cost and some convenience in exchange for incomprehensible risk is somehow a bad deal?

nova_ad_vitum ,

Agreed on both counts. This happened because Microsoft made adoption easy. And this will be fixed within a day. None of the fundamentals have shifted. Even though it’s stupid, this isn’t going to fundamentally shake anything up.

ImplyingImplications ,

Reminds me of when Canada lost internet to 12 million of it’s 33 million people because one company messed up doing maintenance.

Damage ,

There will be no consequences for those who made this choice because going with the biggest suppliers is never wrong: they in theory have the highest reliability, and even if they don’t, then it’s not just your problem but everyone else’s too, can’t blame those responsible when the outage is akin to an “act of God”

drathvedro ,

It’s great to have alternatives. If it was all linux, and linux got hit, then it’d be the entire world in danger. Too bad M$ is just not good enough for it’s second most popular position.

jj4211 ,

Well, we got to see roughly something play out with the xz thing. In which case only redhat were going to be impacted because they were the only ones to patch ssh that way.

Most examples I can think of only end of affecting one slice or another of the Linux ecosystem. So a Linux based heterogenous market would likely be more diverse than this.

Of course, this was a relative nothing burger for companies that used windows but not crowdstrike. Including my own company. Well except a whole lot fewer emails from clients today compared to typical Fridays…

Dirk , to lemmyshitpost in have you crimed today?
@Dirk@lemmy.ml avatar

I crossed the road while the traffic light still showed red … twice!

Armand1 ,

Is it true that is illegal in the US? It’s pretty normal in the UK.

Dirk ,
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Not sure, but I think so. But it definitely not legal in Germany!

nichtburningturtle ,
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Not that it’s worth prosecuting.

ChilledPeppers ,

Jay walking, it is illegal in some places, almost never enforced

Jimbo ,
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Illegal in some states I think. Fun fact when the term jaywalking was introduced, the term jay was a legitimate insult, meaning something like country bumpkin

KeefChief13 ,

I think if you are at a designated cross walk you can cross anytime traffic allows even if the signal isnt walk.

MHanak ,

Funny thing is that in poland the fine for jaywalking is lower than a fine for crossing on a red light, so you can just go around the crossing

FooBarrington ,

But red times red is green

Melatonin , to cat in Orange Squeeze

Do animals have feelings?

Well, I have this picture I downloaded from Lemmy… Let me show you.

Oh. Right. Of course.

tfw_no_toiletpaper , to memes in Wha..?

I like how the image itself is ai generated for some reason (as if there weren’t enough images exactly like this you could use) but the bandaid is just poorly shopped onto it.

Why

stom ,

Because AI art is shit at this kind of thing. Not incapable of, just absurdly fiddly to get obedience from. It’ll get you 75% of the way there, and then you actually need to know how to edit an image, which is where it lets you down.

Go ahead and try generating images of a family during benediction wearing ear bandages and you’ll find it really struggles with getting that last part right because it’s not typical subject matter.

nightrunner , to linuxmemes in IT outage: banks, airlines and media hit by issues linked to Windows PCs
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Windows Server OSes running CrowdStrike affected too

slazer2au , to linuxmemes in IT outage: banks, airlines and media hit by issues linked to Windows PCs

Windows PC running Crowdstrike.

deathmetal27 ,

Shhh

jmcs ,

The OS getting fully bricked because of a third party software update is still very much a OS level fuck up.

Robin ,

Depends. Since this is security software it probably has a kernel driver component. I think in linux a 3rd party kernel module could do the same. But the community would not accept closed source security software, especially not in the kernel.

bjoern_tantau ,
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They even have a version for Linux, which is a kernel module.

notfromhere ,

Has that been impacted by this?

nightrunner ,
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No it has not. Validated on Ubuntu 16.04, 18.04, 20.04, 22.04 running CrowdStrike Sensor

jmcs ,
qjkxbmwvz ,

My Debian system was bricked when it “upgraded” to systemd.

Required attaching a monitor to a normally headless server to fix. (Turns out systemd treats fstab differently and can hang booting if USB drive isn’t attached.)

Steam, a 3rd party program, has nuked the home directory of users who didn’t really do anything wrong.

Programs have huge abilities to bork systems, be it Windows or Linux…

CaptPretentious ,

I’ve seen RHEL completely crap itself due to a 3rd party update. Wasn’t that long ago fairly certain it was a McAfee update that took down a bunch of our Linux boxes. It happens.

xkbx , to lemmyshitpost in have you crimed today?

So, get away Another way to feeeeeeel what you didn’t want yourself to know

Console_Modder ,
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Don’t do this to me. I don’t want to feel these feelings

EddoWagt ,

And let yourself go

You know you didn’t lose your self controool

There’s just no end at the rainbow

spongeborgcubepants , to aboringdystopia in What fresh hell is this?

It’s because of the log function

prex ,

Very punny.

Aceticon ,

It’s was all clearly calculated.

hakunawazo ,

Yes, and it’s brown because of the tan function.

spongeborgcubepants ,

Yes, and it’s brown because cos of the tan function.

MyNameIsRichard , to cat in Orange Squeeze
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They radiate happiness

profoundninja , to aboringdystopia in What fresh hell is this?

Please don’t log my calculator inputs it’s more embarrassing than my browser history is.

Andromxda ,
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log()

humbletightband ,

Why? Does it have 80085?

invisiblegorilla ,

55378008

Zorsith ,
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Worse, lots of really basic math

jballs ,
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Get a load of this nerd! He calculated 7 x 4

pdxfed ,

32, big deal

UltraGiGaGigantic ,

Source?

Sludgeyy ,

7+6=

AngryCommieKender ,

13 ± X

user224 ,
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You’re joking, but sometimes I put even simpler stuff into a calculator and then realize what the fuck I just did.

E.g.: 4 * 100.

diemartin ,
BluJay320 , to cat in Orange Squeeze
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Great. Now even cat pictures make me feel lonely.

pixeltree ,
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hug

Noite_Etion , to lemmyshitpost in Me after a long night out with the boys
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Diplomjodler3 , to memes in Wha..?

Someone should make a realistic version of this. Like they’re all obese, missing some teeth and the mother and father are siblings.

lemmyseizethemeans , to memes in Wha..?

Hell.

We live in hell.

SuiXi3D ,
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How fitting for it to be the Christians that brought about the end foretold in their book.

Creat , to memes in New Wave Of British Heavy Metal

I didn’t initially read the title and guessed it was “new world order beyond heavy metal”. Reasonably close I’d say.

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