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PeterPoopshit , to lemmyshitpost in Choose A or B

B all the way. I’ll use my real estate and no taxes to figure out a way to make a fuck ton of $400/month apartments like it’s 1990 to help the less fortunate/average person. I’ll then use the no taxes to hopefully refine my business model to the point of making my affordable apartment business more widespread across the entire country and just keep expanding until I get either assassinated or receive a Nobel Prize.

morrowind ,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

unfortunately the real estate is in mongolia. Already pretty cheap there, but no one wants to move there

TseseJuer ,

rip in pices

Olmai ,

Depends on how scared the neighbors are. Are they “let’s avoid that guy” scared, or “we better kill him before he kills us” scared ?

Corkyskog ,

I feel like it depends on who the neighbors are. Live in a suburb, cool. Live 45 minutes from the closest grocery store… yeah that neighbor is likely to murder you.

PerogiBoi , to memes in They aren't, and I'm sick of being told they are
@PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca avatar

My government is mostly privatized. We even hired a consulting firm to figure out how the government could lower consulting fees. The consultants found that if we consult less, we will have lower consulting fees. We paid over half a million for that single report:

theglobeandmail.com/…/article-federal-government-…

Buffaloaf ,

Next step: hire a consultant to figure out how to consult less.

galloog1 ,

Government consultant here. The federal government does nothing if it is not military related or medical care in the Department of Veterans Affairs. Everything they produce is done via contract. That includes leadership which is queued up using consulting. Sure, they make the decisions but that’s not management or the visionary leadership people think it is. It’s all contract management.

driving_crooner , to lemmyshitpost in It's like a foodie version of a fleeting love story.
@driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

>find the restaurant again.

>come back sober.

>food taste like shit now.

ImFresh3x ,

Like looking up a mediocre band/dj you heard while rolling at a festival. Ugh. Makes you think maybe drugs just make people dumb enough to like everything.

WldFyre ,

Worked for 80s metal!

K1nsey6 , to mildlyinfuriating in Why do all the new TVs expect me to have a platform AS WIDE as the fucking thing?? Fucking shit!! God awful absolutely dumb thoughtless design choice
@K1nsey6@lemmy.world avatar

I think the fucking stupid part of this post is the OP buying a TV oversized for the space they want it on.

kattenluik ,

I guarantee you the box and everything else also showed the legs being on the side.

Zess ,

Pretty sure when I got my tv there was info on the box about how large of a surface it needs to stand on. OP made a big purchase without doing any planning or research and now they’re whining that something isn’t right 🙄

Swarfega ,

OP never bothered to research their purchase properly to buy a TV with a centre stand…

smeg , to lemmyshitpost in Aged like milk

No idea what a nike tech twink is, but about 50 (depending on how hard you’ve been hitting the booze)

Risk ,

I’m a Brit and I know exactly what they mean by a nike tech twink - and that’s the first time I’ve ever heard the phrase.

Aggravationstation ,

Yea and I never was one thank fuck

Bahalex ,

Are the the same fellas that have the broccoli haircut?

madcaesar ,

Care to elaborate? Wtf is it?

Fades ,

I got twink, but what the hell is a nike tech? Is it like a nail tech but for shoes??

Aggravationstation ,

1000011259Nike Tech tracksuit

ShitOnABrick ,
@ShitOnABrick@lemmy.world avatar

I recon 62 and your a real Barry 63

Khrux ,

Although to counter I’ve met plenty of people in their 40s who are this. The head chef of my work is in his 30s and he’s 90% there already.

tourist , to linux in TIL
@tourist@lemmy.world avatar

I assume most of those students weren’t “officially” given admin priveleges, which makes it extra funny

atzanteol ,

They may have been, things were far more trusting back then.

X servers, for example, would accept any connections. So we would often “export DISPLAY=friendscomputer:0.0” in the computer lab and then open windows of embarrassing content. Which at the time would likely be ASCII art…

wmassingham ,

Still can. Only a few years ago, I would cat random things to classmates’ tty devices.

tankplanker ,

One of my favourite wars was to open audio files on other people’s SPARCs, somebody had the loudest bag pipe music that usually ended things.

Access to the SPARCs was normally restricted to third year but if you knew the right person you could get an account created pretty easily. Had the fastest access to the internet at the time within the uni as well.

guleblanc ,

I used to work at a company that did distributed QA. Other people’s tests would run on your desktop. It worked surprisingly well. But occasionally a test of some audio resource would play on your speakers “The discrete cosine is a real, discrete version of the fast Fourier transform.”

tankplanker ,

Ha, love the audio tell of the resource stealing

FlyingSquid , to aboringdystopia in The only thing that is preventing basic living essentials for costing more is whether the capitalist class feel like rising the price or not.
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I’m sure all the pro-life politicians who want to save the poor babies will be very concerned about this and congressional investigations will be forthcoming.

Right?

thisfro ,

RIGHT?

n3m37h ,

Left?!? Wait… Fuck…

T00l_shed ,

narrator no, they were wrong.

Burninator05 ,

Unless there is a way to pin it on Biden they aren’t interested in doing anything.

cunning_bolt ,

Nah babies can live just fine with cloth diapers, they’ll just tell you to use those if you’re not motivated enough to hustle for bare essentials

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Because poor people definitely have washing machines.

Bewilderbeast ,
@Bewilderbeast@lemmy.world avatar

Diapers? Those babies should be shitting into their bootstraps.

Franzia ,

The work required of us in an economy like this is obscene. Comparing deals and coupons and dodging scams and trying ti save time while every corpo is trying to waste it. I’m not a mother, yet, but imagine realizing you can’t afford disposable diapers this week and this is the week you have to spend extra hours cleaning and sanitizing cloth diapers. And all the extra stress on top. Thats if you could afford kids in the first damn place.

ugh ,

No, because that’s socialism! Trickle down economics and what not!!

LinkOpensChest_wav , to memes in Reality Shattered
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

Some Republicans are good at deceiving others into thinking they’re good people.

I live in a red state. None of them are good people. If they were, they wouldn’t align with a party of hate.

AmberPrince ,
@AmberPrince@kbin.social avatar

I live in a very red part of Florida. They've all been pretty nice to me. Of course, I'm white, my baby is blonde haired and blue eyed, and I'm in the military. They usually get pretty surprised when I open my mouth and start spouting crazy commie stuff like Trans Rights are Human rights.

Narrrz ,

some republicans are good people not awful to literally everyone

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

I’m a white redneck looking cis male in South Dakota. Many of these “nice” people think I’m one of them and will share their most abhorrent opinions with me, which they may not disclose in polite company. It’s to the point that I have to wear “woke” shirts that say things like BLM or trans rights to avoid these monsters.

I assure you my belief that Republicans are awful is not unfounded. Ask them what they think about LGBT+ people. “As long as they don’t shove it down my throat…” Ask them what they think about Native people – “That was so long ago, they need to get over [the genocide].” Ask them if climate change is real, ask them about the poor, ask them about undocumented workers.

Republicans are unfit for society. They would immediately be cast out of any functional community, and rightfully so. The only way to deal with them is to socially and systemically deplatform and disenfranchise them. That’s why I’d never make friends with a Republican.

SuckMyWang OP , (edited )

Is it kind of the same thing as saying the Jews are greedy compared to something like that person is greedy and is also a Jewish person. The Jewish part doesn’t matter and it’s only used as a descriptor. As in when you say republicans are awful you aren’t separating the good from the bad, I cannot believe there are no exceptions and if there are exception what makes it any different to the argument against racism?

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

No, this is not an all the same thing, and you are unhinged if you think it is. The entire Republican platform is anti-human/anti-progress, and if you align with it in any way, for any reason, you have gone out of your way to be a piece of shit.

There’s no such thing as being a Republican and simultaneously being a good person. These things are not compatible, and certainly not comparable at all to something like race or ethnicity, such as being Jewish.

Edit: If you are arguing that Republicans have the potential to be good people, then this is absolutely true, but it would necessitate ceasing to be a Republican, which they can choose to do at any time.

“Some of the Nazis were good people” – Get the fuck out

BeneGesseritWitch ,
@BeneGesseritWitch@sh.itjust.works avatar

People are religiously and/or ethnically Jewish. Republicans are a political party (are you implying being a Republican is a religion or an ethnic group??) Seeing Jewish people as greedy is a stereotype based on racism. Republicans vote for policies and platforms that are bigoted. This is crazy that you think these two things are the same, or are even comparable at all.

SuckMyWang OP ,

The grouping and assumption of someone’s goodness or badness being based on something as complex as a political opinion is also crazy. There are multiple policies and sometimes people just do things to follow the crowd. Being misguided is not the same as being a bad human

justhim ,

Race is something you are born into and to assume all people of that race believe the same thing is ridiculous… They are a group of individuals tied together by chance. Republicans are a group tied together by beliefs. If those beliefs are bad, then the entire group is bad because they all believe the same thing because they all willingly joined that group

SuckMyWang OP ,

You’re saying all republicans are exactly the same? The awful, vile, racist nazi trumpers are the same as the quiet country family that go to church and do charity work and only vote r because they always have and their church community all vote r. They have an exchange student from Africa staying with them because one time they did some missionary work there and thought the people were great? If you think those two are the exactly the same and even believe the same thing I can’t see how that’s all that different fundamentally than racism.

justhim ,

Yet both of those groups vote for the same politicians and policies. You can live your life how you want but you show your hand in the voting booth

lolcatnip ,

People aren’t good for bad because of their ethnicity or religion. They’re good or bad because of the choices they make. A Republican is someone who has chosen to support the Republican party. That’s such an absolutely vile choice to make that I have no problem with condemning everyone who makes it.

SuckMyWang OP , (edited )

I think you’ll find most people voting r come from backgrounds who always vote republican. It’s a way of life and the idea of voting another way has never entered their mind because of one or two issues like abortion or some other non money related policy. Take abortion for example, these people literally think they are saving innocent babies from being slaughtered. Sounds noble to me, even like they’re, dare I say it, good people or at least trying to be. Except when you take into account the infringement of someone elses bodily autonomy and the part where a bunch of cells don’t have the same consciousness of a fully grown human or even a late term baby which appears to be how they’re thinking about it. Then they’ll throw some other bullshit like it’s what could have been before you killed that fetus. Life is precious. Nearly every one of them then happy to take life saving medicines or wear glasses to change “what could have been.” And then they’ll never ignore that the bible gives instructions on how to abort a fetus and doesn’t appear to condemn it. These people seek truth and want to do the right thing. They’re just denying logic in the process.

CountryBreakfast ,
@CountryBreakfast@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Get the fuck out of the military.

Facebones ,

I’m a tall chubby cishet dude with a big beard in VA.

People say the quiet part out loud to me within 3-5 minutes basically anytime I go to a bar or something, and all the normies treat me like I’m the asshole when I disagree with the guy saying trans people are too in his face and need to dress appropriately because they’re such a nice guy otherwise.

Well clearly they’re not, are they, if they think entire sections of the population shouldn’t be allowed to live their life (or whatever the subject is?)

BeneGesseritWitch ,
@BeneGesseritWitch@sh.itjust.works avatar

My partner passes as a straight cis white dude and works in finance and you are right, within the first interaction of meeting a bigot they will open their mouths and out themselves. And the worst part is, they nearly always phrase it as an in-joke, or an in-thing, like they are figuratively ‘wink wink nudge nudging’ him and it drives him fucking crazy that they just assume he’s one of them and will nod or laugh along. Instead, he pulls a reverse uno and shames them, very politely, for various super neutral reasons: like not being professional and staying on topic, or for being a hr violation, etc. He’s found the less progressive, more business-neutral language really fucks them up, they get super embarrassed

scrubbles ,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

If you are republican you believe in cutting social safety nets, pro war, anti gun regulation, and anti lgbtq. I view all of those as “bad people traits”. I don’t think anyone who can say they are for gutting welfare can also say they are a good person at heart.

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

They might be polite to a fault, but they’re still not good. I agree.

scrubbles ,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

Exactly. You can say please and thank you all you want, hold doors open for people, smile at them on the sidewalk, but that’s all thrown in the garbage if you aren’t willing to actually do something to help people.

Welfare is a great example - most republicans use the “it’s being abused” line as their go-to reason that it should be scrapped. Being a good person is knowing that it is being abused - but the value of it helping people outweighs the 1ish percent of people who are on it and abuse it.

Facebones ,

Half of the programs are so neutered it’s like, who cares that it is? Ohhh noooo this guy makes $23k instead of $22k he still can’t afford to eat let him have his blistering $100 of ebt. 🤷

My favorite is catching those “I wouldn’t work either if I could just live on a check!” types. I encourage them to get that ssi check if they can, while explaining that they’ll have to spend their savings down to under a grand, if they have two cars they’ll have to sell one, etc etc - all to pull like $800/mo that’ll drop to $50 if they log so much as a few hours at a part time job.

If that sounds like heaven to you, live yo best life fam. 🤷 But I don’t think that reality aligns with their vision of life of SSI.

Katana314 ,

Hard to describe, but this is one of the final confrontations of a story I’m writing, and I love it;

“Look, you don’t get it. We don’t need to fight. I’m not with those racist psychopaths, I’m just following their orders and keeping my head down.”

lobsticle , to programmerhumor in advanced

Very disappointing not to see an 0 (my personal go-to for decades) in this meme. 😞

SpaceNoodle ,

Damn, you beat me to it.

It’s common enough that it’s supported like a comment by numerous syntax highlighting schemes, and has the added benefits of guaranteeing that the code won’t be compiled as well as encapsulating any pre-existing block comments. Conversely, if (false) is total garbage.

Duralf ,

If (false) is good because it is compiled so it doesn’t get stale.

AceBonobo ,

“you’re not wrong, you’re just an asshole”

Duralf ,

Fair enough, I do love being contrarian

AlmightySnoo ,
@AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world avatar

A simple if (false) will get optimized out by any modern C or C++ compiler with optimizations on, but the problem is that the compiler will still parse and spend time on what’s inside the if-block and it has to be legal code, whereas with the #if 0 trick the whole thing gets yeeted away by the preprocessor before even the compiler gets to look at it regardless of whether that block contains errors or not, it’s literally just a string manipulation.

Duralf ,

I think you missed the whole point of my comment 😂. Regardless, the time spent compiling a small snippet of code is completely negligible. In the end, both #if 0 and if (false) have their complimentary uses.

AlmightySnoo ,
@AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, but I still think if (false) is silly because it adds an artificial constraint which is to make sure the disabled parts always compile even when you’re not using them. The equivalent of that would be having to check that all the revisions of a single source file compile against your current codebase.

fushuan ,

If(false) works in interpreted languages, the other one doesn’t. It’s stupid either way, that’s what version control is for, but if we are doing the stupidness anyway, you can’t use preprocessor flags in many languages because shit doesn’t get compiled.

pelya ,

Tell this to my -Wall -Werror

AlmightySnoo ,
@AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world avatar

beat me to it too, it’s a meme of course but the advantage compared to comments is thay you get syntax highlighting 😁

KeenFlame ,

My linter always skips preprocessors not set to build, in c# at least, greys it all out unfortunately

Magister ,
@Magister@lemmy.world avatar

this is what I’m doing too, so at least it’s not compiled and better than a /* */ as you can keep all the code intact in your 0

ben_dover , to risa in It was his last wish too.

Zachary did quite alright, considering the shoes he had to fill

starman2112 , to lemmyshitpost in Jragon
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

Do y’all actually pronounce dragon with a j sound? How???

yamapikariya ,
@yamapikariya@lemmyfi.com avatar

Жragon (ZHragon)

kate ,

I think this is how you’re supposed to say gif

name_NULL111653 ,

Джragon (dZHragon = jragon)

isthingoneventhis , (edited )

Pretend like you’re french: j’ragon. It’s the second G in garage or however you would say au jou sauce.

eta: if you’re pronouncing dragon and jragon the same, I’m really concerned and alarmed.

bdonvr ,

In most Americans accents I think “Dragon” and “Jragon” would be indistinguishable.

peopleproblems ,

I was so fucking confused until I tried saying it out loud. I’m so startled and impressed

bdonvr ,

Yeah if I slow down and pronounce it with intention, they’re different. In normal speech though, it’s basically “jragon”

isthingoneventhis ,

Absolutely not. Am American, so I’m gonna go on a limb and assume most of my friends would also probably pronounce it similarly.

The way you say Jra-gon and Dra-gon is completely different in most accents on the West coast. I’m very confident in that.

I think the Midwest would probably say it pretty samsies because they’re not emphasizing the first letter: jRa-gun / dRa-gun or jra-Gn / dra-Gn. Probably gets lost in the sauce a little.

Idk about East Coast, but tbh it probably is closer to Midwesterners dropping consonants and shit so who knows.

bdonvr ,

I’m a Midwesterner living on the east coast so that’s entirely possible.

ARxtwo ,

West-coaster here. They’re definitely two completely different pronunciations.

afraid_of_zombies ,

I grew up in the Appalachian and it isn’t the same in my accent.

TimewornTraveler ,

French would be like /ʒragon/ and English would be /dʒragon/

isthingoneventhis ,

It was more like “french” how Americans think french is, sadly not actual french. It was to overemphasize the starting sound, since sometimes it’s hard to isolate sounds and move them around like that (mouth position wise) when you don’t commonly have other words that start with those sounds.

Sagifurius ,

I’m thinking it’s a regional thing and this guy is from my general region, it’s totally a thing out here. The letter “T” is really only useful on paper, people use “D” when they speak for the most part for “T” (except for T’s followed by an “h”), and “J” is any “D” when followed by an “r”. Side note, i found it jarring when I was younger and saw a Superman cartoon for the first time, and all the characters were pronouncing “Luthor” as “Luthor”, not “Luther”

Kase ,

Haha same here. And to add onto the Luthor bit, everyone I know pronounces “-or” and “-er” words as “-ir”. Pretty much everybody agrees it sounds stupid, but nobody has the power to stop it.

Sagifurius ,

I mean, we don’t think it sounds stupid, it’s just normal. I’d not have noticed if i hadn’t spent so long abroad, where people though my accent was peculiar, and later laughed often when they’d hear my voice revert halfway through overheard phone calls home. That and owning a bar in my home region and often listening to the wildly different accents people rolling through. Englishmen berating me for my pronunciation of words like “Wilstshire” and “Cheshire”, “Jaguar”, “Brown Sauce” while they order a Kokanee but pronounce it “Cocainee”

KSPAtlas ,
@KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz avatar

I sort of roll the bounce of the “d” in “j” into the r

force , (edited )

English phonology, American English dialects’ (and other dialects’) /r/ is usually pronounced retracted, post-alveolar/pre-palatal (usually bunched/molar), transcribed something like [ɹ̠ᶹ], so it causes alveolar consonants in the same cluster to retract/palatalize, usually into a post-alveolar affricate ([d͡ʒ] – the “j” sound for voiced stop /d/, [t͡ʃ] – the “ch” sound for voiceless stop /t/, [ʃ] – the “sh” sound for voiceless fricative /s/). The term would be assimilation (of place of articulation).

“Dragon” /dræ.gən/ -> [dɹ̠æ.ɡɪ̈n] -> [d̠ʒɹ̠æ.ɡ(ɪ̈)n]

You can see the same thing with words like “tree” /tri/ -> [t̠ʃɹ̠i] or even “street” /strit/ -> [ʃt̠ɹ̠it]

Would explain simpler but can’t, break ends now, just know its because consonant pronounced in different place in mouth is conforming to being pronounced in the same place in mouth as other consonant that is right beside it (like with “in-” vs “im-”, “impractical”, which notably isn’t “inpractical”, or “incandescent” which notably isn’t “imcandascent”, or “indecisive” etc. etc.)

funkless_eck ,

you’ve written tree as “tshree” there.

force ,

Many dialects, indeed, pronounce “tree” as something one might perceive as “chree”.

Kase ,

Aw crap, that’s how I pronounce it. Now I can’t unhear it

starman2112 ,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

Okay, I think I get it. When I say “dr-” the r is made with the tip of my tongue just behind my front teeth, but when I say “jr-” (like in badger), the r is made with the middle of my tounge in the middle of my mouth. Neat!

glibg10b ,

This explanation makes me feel stupid

Stoneykins ,

They made almost no attempt to put it in layman’s terms, which means as an explanation it is not very helpful unless you already know enough about the topic to not need to ask about it in the first place. Correct and unhelpful. But I guess they were busy.

red , (edited )

He can explain it to you, but he can’t understand it for you. /s

Stoneykins ,

I understood it, after I googled a lot of what they said. And I’m not trying to give them shit, they made an effort to be helpful, it just wasn’t really.

red ,

But it was. And educated you as well. Win-win.

Stoneykins ,

I mean the quality of an explanation is a matter of opinion. I already admitted it was a technically correct explanation, but I stand by my opinion. You can disagree but have failed to convince me to think otherwise.

red ,

Do you honestly see zero value in finding information, that when you couldn’t understand, you ended up educating yourself about, finally learning something new?

Far from useless, and certainly many people here did understand straight away, as well.

Stoneykins ,

You are being rude and unpleasant, as well as missing the point of what I am saying. Learning is literally my favorite thing to do with my free time and “finally learning something new?” Is a condescending way to ask what you asked.

Apparently you have never taken a badly taught class or anything similar and you simply have no concept of what it is I’m trying to talk about. Teaching in a complete way that is understood and isn’t excessively verbose takes skill, time, and effort. Their comment wasn’t wrong but it was not high quality teaching. It was obviously confusing for many people who commented and upvoted about it, and barring anything else, that is enough evidence to show the explanation is imperfect.

I don’t want to talk about this anymore and I have no more desire to give you any more of my time in particular.

red , (edited )

Just because I don’t agree with your opinion doesn’t make me rude or unpleasant. I suppose my first comment may appear rude if you are not familiar with the joke. Also, if you wish to stop engaging with a person, then consider not replying at length, and then doing what’s pretty much putting your fingers in your ears. I’ll give my piece regardless, as this is not a private forum and I’m allowed to write. Feel free to block me though.

Firstly: you calling a well written post as pretty much useless (not helpful) was rude from my pov. And one that’s filed under a thread, on a shitposting board of all places. For one reason or another, you saw no value in a post, but 50 others did. International Phonetic Alphabet is familiar to most non-native English speakers, so maybe the discrepancy comes from native speakers being confused, and rest of the world not? Idk, but I found your negativity towards the very informative comment weird, and the accusation that it was not explained in layman’s terms weird (because that’s what his last paragraph was). There’s only so far you can dumb things down, some effort and base knowledge from the student is required.

Hot take: Perhaps you were simply that one kid in a huge class that didn’t get what this teacher told? Comparing a random comment in a Lemmy to someone doing a job they are being paid to do is downright weird, as if they were somehow required to hit the same level of professionality. I kind of figure that we might hail from countries with very different schooling systems. Where I’m from,. students are expected to work, Tom understand, so that the information sticks better as you were more engaged, rather than getting perfectly chewed up info to begin with.

TimewornTraveler ,

Schools need to teach IPA. It’s basically a universal language. (Lol plz dont hit me)

Stoneykins ,

I guess I sounded angrier than intended or something. I just didn’t want @glibg10b to feel stupid.

ALostInquirer ,

What would be a good place to start with IPA? Going off Wikipedia’s pages on the matter is like Force’s comment, well-intentioned but not a great intro as you flit back & forth across the tables making sense of it.

I also vaguely remember a similar experience with physical dictionaries, which I think tend to have some kind of IPA (or related) pronunciation guide in them. It’s been awhile since I’ve used one though, hence the foggy memory, and some online dictionaries seem to have given up on showing IPA pronunciation guides.

force , (edited )

this small 3-part video series is a good place to start:

part 1: youtu.be/xMEFr7ghMTg?si=08I3vCSiwQC4Iuvepart 2: youtu.be/J3IO5K5ZGB4?si=u2SaJx6gv45tsI1Vpart 3: youtu.be/jkfSA4_DCfs?si=JlMkiv75njWzbG5k

then you can just look at transcriptions in a language you speak, and/or look at the chart and try to pronounce some of the sounds (good luck for that one lmao). a good place to look/ask is r/asklinguistics, r/linguistics, r/conlangs on reddit, they’re pretty active

one thing i should clarify now is the convention you usually see for notation using the IPA – there’s a difference between /broad/ transcription and [narrow] transcription.

you see, the IPA can be used in many different ways – it can be used phonemically, or phonetically, or sometimes in other ways.

Phonetically means the symbols represent phones. Phones are distinct sounds, they are a specific way of articulating/pronouncing/using your articulators (articulators being the things you use to pronounce stuff, e.g. your tongue or lips or vocal cords). Usually you will represent more phonetic transcription using brackets [ ] (narrow transcription).

Phonemically means the symbols represent phonemes. Usually more phonemic transcriptions are represented with slashes / / (broad transcription). Phonemes are sounds that carry meaning in a language – i.e., a phoneme is something that if you replace with another phoneme, speakers perceive that as a different word. A phoneme is generally made up of multiple phones, called allophones, all of which are different phonetically but the speaker of the language perceives them as the same thing – in fact the thing I described in this thread is a great example of that!

“Dragon” in English is made up of six phonemes, /ˈdræ.gən/ – /d/ the “d” sound in English, /r/ (also written /ɹ/) the “r” sound in English, /æ/ the “a” sound in “cat” or “ask” in English, /g/ the “g” sound, /ə/ the schwa sound/reduced vowel as in the “a” in “about” or the “u” in “medium”, /n/ the “n” sound. /ˈ/ means the following syllable has primary stress (in English that would usually mean pronouncing it with fortis – louder/more tense, and with a higher pitch than the rest of the syllables). /./ is a syllable boundary, it demarcates the end of the previous syllable and the beginning of the next syllable. /ˌ/ would be secondary stress. Often times the primary stress symbol is omitted if it’s in the first syllable.

When you write /dræ.gən/, that’s kind of a “template” made of phonemes that are good for describing a wide variety of dialects’ sounds – it’d be very cumbersome to try to write an extremely narrow, phonetic transcription of dozens of dialects’ pronunciations every time you want to describe a word; using broad transcription, you can then leave it to the reader to further break it down into more specific, precise transcriptions whenever they care about a specific dialect.

So let’s break it down – in my dialect, /r/ is pronounced as a post-alevolar approximant – that is, pronouncing with a continuous flow of air with the tongue behind the alveolar ridge (the bump on the roof of your mouth behind your teeth) and not touching the roof of the mouth as to not cause as much obstruction. This would be transcribed as [ɹ̠] or [ɹ˗], the symbol for the alveolar approximant plus the diacritic for retraction (pronouncing further behind in the mouth). A lot of the times, the /r/ sound in a lot of dialects may be transcribed as [ɻ] – retroflex, generally meaning post-alveolar/pre-palatal with a tongue curled upwards, or even [ɹ̈] which uses the “centralized” diacritic to represent “bunched r” which is post-alveolar/pre-palatal and has the sides of the tongue spread out towards the molars and a strange-looking orientation/curl of the tongue called “bunching” (a sound found in very few languages, I believe only English and Dutch, and which is the realization in my dialect). You can use more symbols to be even more precise, e.g. add [ʷ] (labialized) or [ᶹ] (labiovelarized) since English /ɹ/ is often pronounced with labial constriction (constriction/tenseness using both lips) or labiovelar constriction (using the bottom lip and upper teeth).

So right off the bat, you can change it to [dɹ̠æ.ɡən]. The /d/ forms a consonant cluster with the /r/, which means it’s pronounced with no vowels or pauses in between them – since the [ɹ̠] is post-alveolar, it influences consonants in the proximity which have a nearby/relatively close place of articulation to shift towards / assimilate to its place of articulation. In a lot of dialects, this causes /dɹ̠/ to simply become [d̠ɹ̠], with both of them being post-alveolar. But in my speech, it goes even further and the /d/ affricates into [d̠͡ʒ] called the voiced post-alveolar affricate which is the “j” sound. Often a change like this is called “palatalization” because the consonant shifts towards a palatal pronunciation (palatal referring to the hard palate, the place of articulation of /j/ the palatal approximant which is the “y” sound in English), in this case becoming pre-palatal [dʒ]. But you shan’t confuse this with the other use of “palatalized/palatalization”, which is when a sound is pronounced with partial constriction at the (hard) palate, often transcribed with superscript /ʲ/ following the consonant (e.g. /kʲ/), although often times a palatalized consonant does shift towards a palatal pronunciation.

So then we have [d̠͡ʒɹ̠æ.ɡən]. Lastly, in my dialect /ə/ in certain contexts behind consonants often becomes [ɪ] – a near-close near-front vowel, similar to the “i” in “bit” or “industry” – or [ɪ̈] sometimes called “schwi” which is similar but more centralized.

So finally we have [d̠͡ʒɹ̠æ.ɡɪ̈n] or even more specifically [ˈd̠͡ʒɹ̠ᶹæ.ɡɪ̈n]. That would be an accurate way to phonetically transcribe how I say “dragon”.

Some speakers may take reducing the /ə/ even further and delete it entirely, instead pronouncing the last syllable as [gn̩] – the line under the “n” meaning it’s syllabic, which means that it’s the nucleus of the syllable (the nucleus being the center of/only necessary part of the syllable, where a vowel would usually be), pronouncing the second syllable with no vowel. Then, you might see even more change with speakers assimilating the “n” to the place of articulation of the “g”, making it a velar (pronounced at the velum, also called the soft palate) nasal, which would make the last syllable [gŋ̍].

And you would perceive all this as the word “dragon”, even if you pronounce it differently than I do. That’s the beauty of language. You might use different phones in the same context as me, but at the end of the day they’re the allophones of the same phonemes.

Now you may ask, how the hell do linguists type this stuff conveniently? The answer is, they don’t, it can be a pain in the ass to find a tool to conveniently type for linguistics because there’s just so many symbols, often times you use something like an online IPA typing tool or google gboard on android.

ALostInquirer ,

Whoa! Thanks a ton for the additional breakdown and links! Saved this post and am still reading over it, and wanted to give you a quick reply letting you know I’ve seen it, appreciate it, and am in fact reading it all.

dodgy_bagel ,

Hey there now. We aint knowing any of your elvish. Best keep that to yourself, ya understand?

name_NULL111653 ,

Mae g’ovannen!

TimewornTraveler ,

I love seeing linguists on Lemmy. Wish we had a bigger community.

To put it in layman’s terms just focus on explaining that J is often [d͡ʒ] which already has a D sound in it.

bernieecclestoned ,

Gragon

hakunawazo ,

Don’t start the gif/jif wars again.

Takios ,

It’s clearly yif

altima_neo ,
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I didn’t think so either till I pronounced it out loud. WTF is going on?

PilferJynx ,

Jereggin for sure

pandapoo , to memes in I have never understood that.

You’ll be hot as fuck in your home, and then a woman will just turn the AC off and complain about how cold she is

AquaTofana ,

Sir I use my space heater in my home in July, and I live in the US South.

I’m shocked my husband has not divorced me over it yet tbh, but he can pry it from my (literally) cold, dead hands.

pandapoo ,

He’s probably waiting for it to catch fire and end his misery. The most passive aggressive murder-suicide of all time.

AquaTofana ,

Tip over protection ftw!

In all seriousness, I do point it away from him explicitly because he swears he can feel it across the room.

uis ,
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Double blind test?

misophist ,

Space heaters are fantastic! My partner and I have very different ideas of comfortable, and they make liberal use of blankets and space heaters. That’s waaaay better than turning the entire house into an oven! Plus I still make use of the space heaters, too – making the bathroom toasty so you’re not freezing when you step out of the shower is the best.

Carlo ,

You mean, to counteract the air conditioner? As a fellow resident of these southern United States, I can’t imagine it would be necessary otherwise.

Acters ,

It’s more likely that it’s from poor blood circulation than actually being cold. Commonly, because they need more cardio.

fireweed ,

Women are biologically more susceptible to getting cold than men are (or conversely, men are more susceptible to getting hot than women are). Also most people in America need more cardio; it’s not a gender thing.

Acters ,

Didn’t say only women get cold from no cardio. Obviously, there are other factors like mild Raynaud’s syndrome

fireweed ,

You’re still making this out like it’s an individual problem and not a genuine (and major) gender difference.

From a BBC article on office temperature wars:

Boris Kingma from Maastricht University Medical Center decided to take a closer look. He found that women have significantly lower metabolic rates than men and need their offices 3°C (5.4F) warmer.

That’s a huge discrepancy! Obviously not something you can chalk up to individual factors like exercise rates or medical disorders.

WereCat , to memes in Please, not again.

Say what you want about Trump but he was one of the presidents ever

OsrsNeedsF2P ,

Anyone else’s brain autofill an adjective here?

Asafum ,

Yes, and I was like “how the fuck do so many people actually agree with that!?” Then I realized by dumb brain added “best” lol

madcaesar ,

Here you dropped this: worst

Brub ,

I mean andrew jackson was big into genocide.

Ramin_HAL9001 ,

Yeah, Trump was big into genocide too, of the Yemenese. He personally vetoed a bipartisan resolution passed by congress to condemn the Saudis for their genocide in Yemen

But then we see the genocide of the Palestinians by Israel happening right now, and Biden not only enthusiastically reiterates his support for Israel but works to punishe anyone showing support and solidarity with the victims.

And that is why Biden is polling so low right now.

OurToothbrush ,

Trump was literally an average/slightly below average president, he just said the quite part that you’re not supposed to say out loud all the time. He doesn’t have anything on Andrew Jackson, Reagan or Teddy Roosevelt.

bpm ,

I’d swap out Roosevelt for Nixon - Teddy’s interventionism set us on a bad path, but at least we got national parks and antitrust laws out of it. Nixon was just pure shit show start to finish.

OurToothbrush ,

You can add without swapping

konalt ,
@konalt@lemmy.world avatar

Some things sure did happen

Nougat , to workreform in How Long It Takes the Largest Companies in America to Make One Employee's Average Annual Salary

Revenue? Profit? EBITDA? Without a definition for what "make" means, this is useless, and verges on propaganda.

MxM111 ,

I checked for Walmart. It is revenue.

TurboDiesel ,
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Says right at the top of the chart. The 3 data points are 2022 revenue, revenue per second, and average salary.

Nougat ,

My fault for not being able to read teeny tiny gray text on a white background, I guess.

Anyway, comparing revenue to worker compensation isn't really very useful. Payroll comes out of that revenue, as does every other cost of doing business. Compare payroll to profit, or to executive compensation, if you want to make a point. Yeah, worker compensation sucks, but just comparing it to "the biggest number we could find" doesn't mean anything.

Cruxifux ,

Yeah, you’re right, there’s no wealth gap problem, why even bother talking about it?

nul ,

That’s not what they said. They were commenting that comparing payroll to revenue is like comparing apples and oranges. If you make an apples to apples comparison, like between payroll and profits, you can make a more defensible argument that income inequality is a problem which needs to be fixed.

Nougat ,

Misrepresenting the issue causes people on the side of labor to be less effective in their efforts, because they're operating with flawed data, and makes it so that people on the side of capital can more easily disregard the concerns of labor.

There are solid and useful comparisons to be made, as I previously mentioned. Worker salary vs. corporate revenue isn't one of them.

intensely_human ,

Also these numbers are going to be higher for bigger operations.

RIP_Cheems , to mildlyinfuriating in Sure buddy just take as many spots as you need
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If you don’t know how to drive a truck, please don’t. Just dont.

dual_sport_dork ,
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Elect me dictator of the world and I will implement my pickup truck and SUV tiered licensing scheme: Before you are allowed to have an F-150 or Escalade, first you must complete a 4 year probationary period of driving, say, a Suzuki Samurai.

Demuniac ,

Just ban them outright. What’s the point? You want to move things around, get a bus

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

I need an F-350 so I can haul my wife around.

Wogi ,

Dad?

uis ,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Then you don’t need all those 4 seats

https://st25.stblizko.ru/images/product/084/183/638_big.png

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Does it have a two-tonne cargo capacity?

uis ,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Exactly this model? Not sure, but somewhere between 1.5 and 3t. Probably only 1.5t.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Not quite good enough for my wife then.

1847953620 ,

that’s a lot of wife. You could trade your wife in for a smaller model.

no one needs that much wife!

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Wives are the opposite of trucks, the smaller they are the more expensive.

1847953620 ,

downvoted for speaking the truth

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

They hate me because I’m poor and can only afford the big wife.

1847953620 ,

anything does, if you’re willing to swap trannies later

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

That’s why I’m on my second wife.

Oh, transmissions! Sorry, I misunderstood.

JoeBigelow ,
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Fuck, I would LOVE to drive a Samurai!

Wogi ,

No one loves driving a samurai.

A samurai is a jeep for people who can afford little more than a lawn mower.

It rides like you’re in a trash can being pulled by an angry mule.

A Suzuki samurai can get you places, as long as they’re either at least down wind or down hill from where you’re currently at.

You can take the samurai off road but you’ll find the experience of driving on smooth asphalt dangerous enough.

1847953620 , (edited )

wranglers are samurais for people who are mentally stuck in high school who need to be seen as cool, and massively overpay to do so.

They take an “offroading vehicle”, modify it further, reduce the efficiency and ruin the on-road handling, slap a light bar on top, and then drive it to the mall and back.

But it’s alright, because the marketing team at Joop™ told them it’s the Real American Young Man©’s utilitarian vehicle, starting at 175% of what a competing vehicle from any other brand would cost, with 30% of their reliability.

Good thing you brought that Wrangler™ to drive onto the dirt path to your favorite drinking spot in the mountains, not like anything else would’ve gotten you there.

Or for the 1% that actually crawl rocks, it’s a good thing to constantly prove that with enough torque, and getting out, making sure you won’t hit, and getting back in, the coefficient of friction of a surface still behaves the same way. Kinda crazy how other people just go around and get to the same spot with final drive ratios that keep their vehicles useable elsewhere. What’s the fun if you don’t spend 15 minutes not going around?

It’s ok though, the guys with green and beige tacomas with all their gear strapped to the cage day in and day out are even more insufferable. That moment as they hop out in their cargo shorts and Tevas on their way to order another IPA hoping a girl will hear their stories about their once-a-year “overlanding” trips is so worth it. They’re higher-end, more refined, because they drive Tacomas™. But the way they wear their wayfarers inside and the Patagonia t-shirts tell them “it’s ok baby, I’m also chill”

GentlemanLoser ,

I’d like to subscribe to your newsletter

teamevil ,

Yo, my stock 03 TJ X is a beast…and can do lots of fun shit…but my 20 Tacoma can do all the same shit…but I care a lot less if I ding the wrangler…it pains me to see the auto abortion that jeep has become

JoeBigelow ,
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I’d also rock a geo tracker, could go either way

yyyesss ,

This isn’t lack of ability, it’s on purpose. I have had this type explain how clever they are for parking like this to keep other drivers from dinging their truck

KnowledgeableNip ,

The eventual key gouge down the side is gonna look great though.

Duamerthrax ,

I do this, but in the far end if the lot. Notice how the image is framed so you can’t see where in the lot the truck is.

yyyesss ,

i hope the the negative score let you know that we think it’s shitty even back there

Duamerthrax ,

We care about points? I walk the full distance of the parking lot. If I don’t care about doing that, why do you think I care about internet points?

LimitedExpress ,

I also park in the back of the lot - within the lines. I would absolutely key your shit on my way through.

Duamerthrax ,

Ok internet tough guy.

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