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Got_Bent , to memes in How long before he is telling his workers that they can simply eat cake, when there is no bread.

I don’t think they’re allowed to eat the cake anymore. They have to throw it all away at the end of the day instead.

ShareMySims ,

And cover it in bleach, just to make sure it’s completely safe from being consumed for free, shareholders forbid.

bobs_monkey ,

Probably depends on the store, but I think most of them usually give the unsold baked goods to the employees every day, or whatever day they’re due to be marked out. My buddy has been at Starbucks for years, and he always has treats after a closing shift.

MrVilliam ,

Anecdotal, but from what I’ve seen from the few stores I know about, they either have a donation program set up where somebody picks stuff up and takes elsewhere (probably homeless shelters and hospitals?) or managers let employees snatch stuff up before it gets to the trash can. Most employees are pretty fucking sick of the food after working there a few months, but neighbors and workers near the location always appreciate a bag full of free goodies once in a while.

Donebrach ,
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I worked at Starbucks about a decade ago and it was a special treat when we were allowed to take a very small portion of the marked off goods but we had to make sure to throw most of it out least an internal audit show we were (mind you) not selling enough versus the actual problem of wasting untold amounts of food. Fucking disgusting operation.

skvlp , to memes in Cooked

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  • pixeltree ,
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    Yeah, time to filter lemmy.ml. ah well

    Cowbee ,
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    Do you disagree with the idea that the “lesser evil” has been getting steadily more evil?

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  • Cowbee ,
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    How are they moving in a positive trend?

    Linkerbaan OP ,
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    Kamala has promised to keep supplying weapons for the Genocide. There’s no denying it anymore.

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  • Cowbee ,
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    Claudia De La Cruz

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  • Cowbee ,
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    You can write her in, can’t you?

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  • Cowbee ,
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    Increasing over time.

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  • Cowbee ,
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    How do you suggest we go about doing that?

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  • Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Strange you’re not saying Democrats to the same thing.

    Cowbee , (edited )
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    You didn’t answer my question in any capacity. The Democrats don’t want to get rid of FPTP because they would lose.

    Seems like you have no plan, you’re sleepwalking your way through and going to brunch.

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    How do you suggest we make a better world?

    Xatolos ,
    @Xatolos@reddthat.com avatar

    So did Trump.

    Trump, who routinely touts his support of Israel more broadly, has reportedly said he supports Israel in its continued “war on terror” after the October 7 attack by Hamas.

    This part always seems to be forgotten every time this comes up. Voting for Trump won’t suddenly stop it. He’ll either send just as much or more.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Look at the text on the bottom left of the meme

    Xatolos ,
    @Xatolos@reddthat.com avatar

    Look at the last two sentences I wrote.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Look at the first reply

    Xatolos ,
    @Xatolos@reddthat.com avatar

    I did. Has nothing to do what I wrote. Pointing out Trump isn’t some hero of Gaza isn’t a “But Trump” anything.

    So, go back and read what I wrote. Or would you like a “But Trump” comment?

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    where did the post say vote for trump

    Xatolos ,
    @Xatolos@reddthat.com avatar

    Look at the meme, and see the connection between our and your original post

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    I did where’s the Trump part

    Xatolos ,
    @Xatolos@reddthat.com avatar

    That would be the implied answer in the meme and the first post.

    Linkerbaan OP , (edited )
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Wow you’re right i just replayed the meme backwards and it said ‘vote for trump the Genocide is Palestine is a Russian psyop’

    Xatolos ,
    @Xatolos@reddthat.com avatar

    With how you have been commenting here, I’m not surprised that what you read…

    Denjin ,

    US presidential elections are a zero sum gain.

    davidagain ,

    You think you’re so clever because your meme doesn’t say vote for Trump, but do you really think that we’re that stupid that we wouldn’t recognise a post designed to suppress the Democratic vote and enable Trump to win?

    If you actually cared about the genocide in Gaza AT ALL you would be doing everything in your power to stop Donald “best president for Israel in the history of the world” Trump and the Republican literally-write-“Finish-them”-on-Israeli-bombs Party winning.

    But you don’t actually care about Gaza at all, you just care about keeping left leaning folks from voting.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    You don’t have to post 3 paragraphs to justify Democrats committing Genocide.

    davidagain ,

    Republican troll.

    BorgDrone ,

    Well, if you put it in the picture then it must be a good argument.

    /s

    Just because one side is not 100% perfect doesn’t mean you have to support the side that is 100% bad. If you’re waiting for the perfect candidate who matches your beliefs on all point before voting you’ll never get to vote.

    UltraGiGaGigantic ,

    Why are there only two viable political parties?

    BorgDrone ,

    It’s a result of the “first past the post” voting system used in the US. It naturally leads to a two party system.

    BorgDrone ,

    Kamala Harris:

    At the same time, what has happened in Gaza over the past 10 months is devastating. So many innocent lives lost, desperate, hungry people fleeing for safety over and over again. The scale of suffering is heartbreaking. President Biden and I are working to end this war such that Israel is secure, the hostages are released, the suffering in Gaza ends, and the Palestinian people can realize their right to dignity, security, freedom, and self-determination.

    The whole situation in Israel/Gaza is a mess. Innocent people are getting hurt on both sides. There are bad people doing horrible things on both sides. Real life is not a movie where the bad guys all conveniently wear the same uniform. Only children think the world is that simple. But hey, assuming the solution is simple saves you from hurting yourself by thinking about what is an incredibly complicated state of affairs.

    Personally, I would prefer a president who acknowledges the complexity of the situation over one who thinks the world operates like we’re living in children’s book.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Cope

    BorgDrone ,

    Wow. Amazing argument. Such eloquence.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Quote the weapons embargo in the paragraph

    BorgDrone ,

    Again, overly simplistic solution to a complicated problem. Something a child would come up with, not the potential president of the US.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Got it so Democrat voters endorse sending weapons to israel for Genocide. Glad you are honest about it.

    BorgDrone ,

    It must be wonderful to live in a world that is so simple, even if it’s just a fantasy.

    UltraGiGaGigantic ,

    Real life is not a movie where the bad guys all conveniently wear the same uniform

    A suit and tie.

    BorgDrone ,

    Plenty of good people wear a suit and tie. Plenty of bad people wear something else.

    knightly ,
    @knightly@pawb.social avatar

    They’re all dressed as politicians.

    TargaryenTKE ,

    Look, I don’t like Kamala either and I think continuing to supply weapons is awful, obviously. But she’s the only realistic option at this point. You can still protest the genocide in Gaza AFTER the election (and I fully support you doing so, Hell I might even meet you at one), but look at it this way: if Kamala wins, you at least have a chance to make a change over there, but if Trump wins again, every Palestinian is as good as dead. Do I like either option? No! Do I think our elections are a good system? No! Am I going to vote for Kamala anyway? Yes! Because at this point, the choice is between shooting ourselves in the foot or in the temple

    imposedsensation , to aboringdystopia in Journalist experiencing a Genocide raises awareness for another country experiencing a Genocide

    I see genocide twice in your post title but there is no genocide. Keep posting this garbage, you’re losing credibility and hurting your cause.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Which Genocide denial are you partaking in today sir?

    overload , to games in Day 37 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I’ve been playing until I forget to post Screenshots (Jedi Fallen Order)

    I don’t have anything particular to add but I just wanted to say that I like this content.

    lauha , to memes in Cheese

    Too relatable

    MonkderVierte , to memes in I hate brioche buns!

    I prefer this or thisover this a thousand times.

    RiceMunk , to programmer_humor in Ah yes, the I in LLM

    It’s like how the S in IoT stands for “secure”.

    unexposedhazard , to aboringdystopia in Journalist experiencing a Genocide raises awareness for another country experiencing a Genocide

    Isnt that just a civil war in sudan? I dont know much about it but i havent heard anything about intentions to wipe out a specific part of the population. It just seems like a bloody power struggle that forces people to flee.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    My understanding is limited but from my current knowledge (which might be completely wrong):

    • The RSF is compromised of an Arab force backed by the UAE who are pretty racist and want to install an Arab superiority regime and are mass raping + murdering black people. They are 100% committing a Genocide.
    • The current Sudanese military (SAF) is backed by Iran (and maybe others). SAF also commit a lot of war crimes but seem to be more financially motivated. SAF seems more into the civil war thing than Genocide, but SAF soldiers are also raping and murdering civilians.

    Both parties are bad but the RSF is super bad.

    Sudanese Militias Are Committing Genocide in Darfur—Again

    The RSF is the successor to the janjaweed militia, which carried out a genocide in Darfur just 20 years ago against non-Arab ethnic groups such as the Fur, Masalit, and Zaghawa. At the time, a mass movement emerged in the United States—led by the Save Darfur coalition, which comprised nearly 200 organizations—mobilizing worldwide protests and bringing out prominent celebrities, including then-Sen. Barack Obama and George Clooney, and demonstrators in the hundreds of thousands.

    A powerful U.N. Security Council arms embargo, sanctions regime, and referral to the International Criminal Court ensued, resulting in the first—and only—arrest warrant for genocide against Sudanese leader Omar al-Bashir, while an eventual joint U.N.-African Union peacekeeping force was dispatched to the region; it was later withdrawn in 2021.

    Our inquiry also concluded that the RSF is receiving direct military, financial, and diplomatic support from the United Arab Emirates. This finding is also backed by the U.N. Panel of Experts on Sudan, who found credible evidence of the UAE providing heavy weaponry to the RSF, as corroborated by further investigative reporting. In December 2023, a group of U.S. members of Congress sent a letter to the Emirati foreign minister urging an end to the UAE’s provision of military support to the RSF. This May, legislation was introduced to stop U.S. arms exports to the UAE until it ceases its support to the RSF.

    c0smokram3r ,
    @c0smokram3r@midwest.social avatar

    So a proxy war between UAE & Iran? I’m curious why the need for the superiority regime in Sudan 🤔 TY for sharing this! I’m definitely gonna dive in to some reading this weekend.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    I think Iran joined in later by sending some drones, but their involvement seems a lot less than the UAE.

    The UAE like Saudi Arabia hosts many American military bases and gets American weapons. But I’m still not sure if this is an American proxy war through the UAE or the UAE doing this by themselves.

    The UAE does have a lot of sketchy stuff going on though they’re looking a bit like a convenient black sheep: American mercenaries hired by UAE to kill in Yemen - BBC World Service Documentaries

    Iran provides some support to SAF likely because Sudan is next to the Red Sea and they don’t want Sudan to fall under control of a Western aligned regime.

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/c229cc04-7db1-4de3-a863-e9be04ea636a.png

    Once again my knowledge of this conflict might be completely off this is just random stuff I picked up. Don’t take anything in this comment as the truth.

    c0smokram3r ,
    @c0smokram3r@midwest.social avatar

    Of course it’s the truth! I read it on the internet ;)

    Can’t wait to dig into this!

    psycocan , (edited )

    Hey, a middle eastern here. UAE leaders are not backing the RSF for racist purposes, the sudanese army is equally arabic. They are backing the RSF atrocities and destabilizing the region, yielding resources in exchange from Sudan gold mines. They’re also known for being a proxy for USA and Israel executing their plans in the region.

    HappycamperNZ ,

    Unfortunately many, if not most genocides are civil war actions.

    Kbobabob ,

    Source?

    HappycamperNZ ,

    History?

    naught ,

    Ever heard of Darfur?

    Also seems like this is an image from a few months ago:

    www.bbc.com/news/articles/c511vgzvl2eo.amp

    Edit: when I made this comment, there were no comments appearing under yours, but apparently there are many 😅

    roofuskit ,

    Civil wars often lead to genocide. Even when the ethnic groups were made up by the Europeans.

    JaN0h4ck , to lemmyshitpost in Swooped in with the quickness
    @JaN0h4ck@feddit.org avatar

    For everyone who doesn’t get it: Ben Affleck (left) got a divorce from his wife. Pete Davidson (right) is kind of infamous for “stealing” girlfriends/wives. So the meme is that Pete stole Ben.

    Hope that helps.

    grrgyle ,

    Thanks, that’s a lot of nouns. I think I got it though

    PunchingWood , to games in Day 37 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I’ve been playing until I forget to post Screenshots (Jedi Fallen Order)

    One of the few games I ever 100% completed, along with Jedi Survivor and Spider-Man 👌

    senectus , to memes in I hate brioche buns!

    Completely agree

    SpaceNoodle , to memes in Cheese

    Good thing there was a circle and an arrow. I never would have spotted it without both.

    jaybone ,

    Even the arrow has a circle.

    Mr_Fish , to memes in Cooked

    There are four options for American voters: vote red, vote blue, vote third party, or don’t vote at all.

    Voting red is just bad. I highly doubt that the Gaza situation would get any better if Trump gets in, but I know for a fact that a lot of things will get much worse.

    Voting third party is a wasted effort. Sure, every sane person would prefer different people to run America, but the the shit fptp system means they’ll never get any traction. In another election voting third party could be worth it, since a third party might slowly get more support, but not this one.

    Not voting is just pointless. That’s just choosing to not impact anything.

    That only leaves voting blue. It’s not great, but it’s the only option left.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    This all hangs on the false assumption in the third statement.

    Diplomjodler3 ,

    Soll explain to us how voting for any third party would change anything for the better.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    They don’t support Genocide.

    Explain how voting for Democrat would change anything for the better instead.

    Diplomjodler3 ,

    So preserving your imaginary moral superiority is your only goal. Right. Gotcha.

    bamboo ,

    Say you don’t know how the US electoral college works without saying you don’t know how the US electoral college works.

    Cephalotrocity ,

    This astute logic brought to you by a person that thinks insulting the people they need the support of is a good idea.

    zeppo ,
    @zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s weird how we can try to explain this to people for months straight and they’re still posting stupid memes about it.

    riodoro1 ,

    It’s weird how you call your country a democracy but are forced to make choices you’re not at all comfortable with.

    greedytacothief ,

    Umm, I don’t. We’re a Republic, always have been.

    UrPartnerInCrime ,

    Weird how you generalize all people based on the propaganda you’ve seen

    SqueakyBeaver ,

    I call my country a flaming pile of shit sometimes, for what it’s worth

    Tar_alcaran ,

    Because they have a LOT of money riding on convincing people not to vote blue. Gee, I wonder who benefits from that most.

    zeppo ,
    @zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

    wow! who could it be??

    KingThrillgore ,
    @KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

    Same people probably finding the temporary defacing of artworks.

    KingThrillgore ,
    @KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

    I don’t think they are stupid. They are coping with the hand we are dealt.

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    I highly doubt that the Gaza situation would get any better if Trump gets in, but I know for a fact that a lot of things will get much worse.

    What would Trump do that the Dems are not already doing? Trump would be a genocidal monster, yes, but we have DNC goers literally mocking Pro-Palestinian protestors and covering their ears:

    https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/af1bd9c7-b470-4d56-9e58-7ae5c9186f34.jpeg

    There are four options for American voters: vote red, vote blue, vote third party, or don’t vote at all.

    Nope, there are an infinite number of options. If a math question is “what number is greater than 10?” And the Dems said 4 and the Reps said 2, that doesn’t mean the Dems are correct. Voting will not save us, so we must move outside the realm of electoralism. Join an org, build up dual power, replace the DNC and GOP by force.

    greyfox ,

    But those aren’t mutually exclusive things. Voting for the Dems doesn’t prevent you from doing those other things in the meantime.

    If you only have two real choices that will affect the outcome and one of them is better than the other, voting for neither of them just makes things harder for those that would have made it slightly better. More compromises have to be made and that means the situation can’t improve.

    I see constant posts about how Trump splitting their base is going to mean the end of the Republican party but that seems very short sighted. It is a simple matter of natural selection, and in a two party system only two parties will ever exist. It also inherently gravitates to very close races between those parties. Any split of the Republican party might cause a term or two of chaos, but it is just a matter of time before something fills the vacuum and balance is restored.

    Each party would prefer to move further towards their end of the spectrum, but they are forced to move their values (or choose more centrist candidates) until they have enough of a majority to win.

    Gerrymandering, the electoral college, what’s left of the judicial branch, apathetic voters, parasitic third parties, and wedge issues have allowed the Republicans to shift further right while maintaining their power. The only possible response to that from the Dems is to also shift right as well. If they didn’t the Republicans would just end up with trifectas or super majorities.

    Trump was also able to shift racist/authoritarian/nationalist policies much further right by shifting his fiscal policies further left than what Republicans normally would do. His whole campaign was based on deficit spending (tax cuts without any real cost cutting, stimulus COVID spending, etc), public works (multi billion dollar worthless walls), and his focus on blue collar workers (not directly supporting unions but he pushed anti China + US manufacturing boosts).

    Every vote for a third party is one less vote that the Republicans need to gain, which is a little more right that they can slide and maintain power, and since natural selection links the two parties it is also a little further right that the Democrats have to slide to maintain their power as well.

    If you want to shift things left voting third-party won’t do it. Third parties have no power to make changes and never will in our current system.

    Voting for the only party that has a chance of winning and is willing to make voting reforms to improve that system is the only hope of shifting the parties to the left where the actual political center of the country lies.

    Voting for anyone else is illogical and won’t prevent this genocide. Protests, and organizations can maybe help in the short term to push the Democrats to change course but it also disenfranchises more voters to not show up, and pushes more to vote for third parties… And so the snowball tumbles down the hill to the right gaining momentum leaving us with frankly no good choice.

    knightly ,
    @knightly@pawb.social avatar

    Voting is the least important part of the political process. America is not a democracy, voting merely serves to legitimize the state with an illusion of choice.

    greyfox ,

    It might be the least effective especially for those not in swing states, but it certainly isn’t the least important.

    And as far as “not a democracy” the NPVIC isn’t that many states away from effectively rendering the problems with the electoral college moot. Certainly a steep uphill battle though.

    If voters actually turned out for primaries/elections there would be much better candidates. So your argument becomes “nobody else does it, and because of that the system is broken, and so I won’t do it either”.

    It seems like people get caught up in the media hype on the presidential election and forget that some of the most important change needs to start from the bottom up, and a couple of. votes can make a huge difference in State levels, and congressional/senate elections. A president is worthless without a Congress/senate passing laws that actually matter.

    Just look at what Minnesota has been able to with voter reform in the last year with their very narrow trifecta. I.e law went into effect this year that allows residents to sign up to automatically receive absentee ballots for every election/primary in their area. A minor improvement, but an important one. Guaranteed that there will be folks that wouldn’t bother to vote on non-presidential elections that will be now.

    They also added a “right to be absent from work to vote” which gives Minnesotans the ability to vote without using any sort of vacation/leave time without losing pay. Full list of other rather import changes here

    Things like that can snowball into a larger shift at the state level.

    The state has no need for you to legitimize them. Even if the system is weighted against you every vote still has power, and the only thing that not voting accomplishes is sending a message that you are okay with the system as it is. There are plenty of politicians out there that want change to happen, and they can’t do it without enough votes behind them.

    danciestlobster ,

    Maybe this is overly wishful thinking, but I do think there is enough data analysis on how people vote that it could be real: if a large body of people with a history of voting blue vote in this election and vote blue down the ballot but omit the president, or have a third party for the president instead, then that might actually send a message to the Democrats that they are fucking up their candidate selection badly, and make them at least marginally more likely to cater to the left when choosing candidates in the future.

    That said I am not sure I can condone this tactic in good faith in this particular election given the alternative, but part of me feels like the right will perpetually have more and more abhorrent alternatives and there needs to be a line somewhere, and if it’s not at genocide then I honestly don’t know where it is.

    No matter how you look at it all the options are bad. At least Tim being slightly left of Kamala shows Democrats slightly more willing to negotiate with disenfranchised left voters than chasing nebulous farther right independents. Not left enough to condemn genocide though so a very minor distinction

    UltraGiGaGigantic ,

    but the the shit fptp system means they’ll never get any traction

    When do we fix the electoral system?

    In another election voting third party could be worth it

    Which one? Every election since before my time has been the most important election ever…

    Klear , to cat in A smug bastard on a messy desk

    Good selection of books. I should re-read Preacher.

    KoboldCoterie , to memes in Cooked
    @KoboldCoterie@pawb.social avatar

    So, what course of action are you proposing? Vote Trump? Vote 3rd party? Don’t vote?

    What’s your intended / expected outcome?

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Voting 3rd party is a great idea. One that doesn’t support Genocide that is.

    KoboldCoterie ,
    @KoboldCoterie@pawb.social avatar

    A normally blue voter voting 3rd party is indirectly helping Trump win the election. Do you think Trump’s Israel policy is going to be better than Harris’s?

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Trump will be the same on israel. Are you going to reward the Democrats for 10 months of Genocide?

    KoboldCoterie ,
    @KoboldCoterie@pawb.social avatar

    Well, I’m not a single-issue voter.

    I’m not rewarding them for anything, but I accept that it’s possible to oppose one policy a politician has, even a very important one, and at the same time support a lot of other policies they have, while also vehemently opposing almost all policies that their opponent supports, and make my choice based on that information.

    Based on this post, you seem to be a single-issue voter, though, so I’m trying to understand what you’re hoping the outcome is. You acknowledge that a vote that supports Trump, even indirectly, is not helping the people of Gaza, so why would you vote against your own self-interests? What’s your goal?

    If your goal is to show opposition to what’s happening in Gaza, there’s much more effective ways to do that. Get out there and protest - the protests at the DNC are getting a lot of news coverage, that’s where your activism could actually make a difference. Not here.

    tobogganablaze ,

    The guys is just a trump/maga shill who exploits the suffering in Gaza to attack the democratic party. That’s all he every posts about. Don’t waste your time.

    KoboldCoterie ,
    @KoboldCoterie@pawb.social avatar

    I don’t think it’s a waste of time. Even if I can’t convince him specifically, there are other people reading these posts. If someone came to this thread who was less sure, and I can change their mind, that’s good enough for me.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Would you be a single-issue voter if you were the victim of Genocide?

    The outcome is the Democrats stop committing Genocide or they don’t get votes. “But Trump” isn’t even an argument.

    KoboldCoterie , (edited )
    @KoboldCoterie@pawb.social avatar

    If I were the victim of genocide, I wouldn’t be a voter at all, because I’d be dead. However, that’s kind of irrelevant - are you the victim of genocide? I’m assuming not, if you’re voting in the US election. Even if you’re Palestinian, your people are the victim of genocide, but unless you’re in Palestine, you aren’t.

    That said, if you are Palestinian, I feel for you, I honestly do, and it would explain your view somewhat.

    I think we can both agree that there’s only two outcomes that’re possible in this election: Trump wins, or Harris wins. (If you don’t agree, I’d be happy to hear your third outcome.) If you truly believe there’s no difference between the two of them, you need to do some research on the topic, because there are a lot of differences, even if they don’t pertain to this issue specifically.

    If, between the two of them, you hope Harris wins, a 3rd party vote is voting against your interests. If you hope Trump wins between the two of them, a 3rd party vote is still voting against your interests, because you’re effectively taking a vote away from your preferred candidate among the two who could possibly win.

    Edit to respond to your edit:

    The outcome is the Democrats stop committing Genocide or they don’t get votes. “But Trump” isn’t even an argument.

    Unless you’re out there protesting, or writing letters, or making phone calls, or in some way letting them know that their policy is costing them your vote, it’s a useless gesture. Posting on Lemmy isn’t going to change any politician’s minds. It’s not even going to change anyone’s mind here, in all likelihood. If you actually want to make a difference, you need to make your voice heard by the people whose minds you’re actually trying to change.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Not every victim of Genocide is killed. Any person who was put in a concentration camp by Hitler, or even persecuted, was a victim of the Holocaust. Similarly any person in Gaza is the victim of a Genocide. And you don’t have to be a Palestinian to empathise with people.

    Your scope of analysis is limited to 4 years. There’s no long term analysis. If people vote for Genocide it will cement that Democrats can get away with anything if they fearmonger hard enough.

    When people threaten to withhold votes for a Genocide they have to follow through or all the leverage falls away. It’s a game of chicken now.

    FutileRecipe ,

    It’s a game of chicken now.

    And if you’re not scared of a convicted felon who promises to be a dictator on day one and has the Supreme Court in his pocket who granted him immunity as well as a cult like following who stormed the Capitol to attempt an insurrection yet who also praises dictators and salutes their generals and has nothing to lose getting ahold of the Presidency then I don’t know what to tell ya. But sure, let’s play chicken with the saner and lesser of the two evils and help MAGA win.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    We’ve heard this one in 2016. The duopoly will not allow the facade to end. There will be elections in 2028.

    FutileRecipe ,

    We’ve heard this one in 2016.

    He was a convicted felon who had the Supreme Court in his pocket who granted him immunity as well as an attempted insurrection in his honor and he saluted hostile generals?

    I don’t remember if he promised to be a dictator on day one or had already praised dictators back then, so I’ll grant you that one out of…everything else he’s done since then which was not covered in 2016.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/3a5dfed0-47de-47f0-8df8-5da76dc1b24d.png

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    Trump was not just going to install a Fascist regime but commit a Genocide on all Mexicans and Arabs and start nuclear WW3. In the end he built a worthless border wall and a did Muslim ban that got overturned rather quickly.

    Collective amnesia amongst Democrats appears to have wiped all the memories of previous Trump fearmongering away. There’s room for fresh new fearmongering again.

    I don’t care about Trumps felony convictions of him bribing a porn star. Biden and Harris should face trial in the Hague for literal Genocide.

    Cephalotrocity ,

    Do you hear yourself? You even point out he implemented a Muslim ban. Clearly, the side you should be supporting. No reason to think otherwise. Nope.

    shiftymccool ,

    OK, I’ll bite. Trump wins. Give your “long term analysis”

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Democrats won’t do Genocide in 2028 if they win then because they have now learnt they can’t get away with literally anything by feamongering.

    Democrats can’t just say they’re “not Trump”. They have to be “not Trump”.

    shiftymccool , (edited )

    4 years? That’s your idea of “long term”? You honestly think losing one election will teach anybody anything? How the fuck will they know what lesson to learn when they lose? As other commenters have said, their are other issues the two parties disagree on. How will they know what one to blame for losing?

    On the other hand, pubs are learning that they can run a convicted felon that promises a dictatorship if he wins. Yeah, let’s set that precedent…

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Already proven. They dropped Biden because they knew they would get Hillary2016’d if they didn’t. Democrats only seem to learn their lesson the hard way.

    Heard the dictator shtick in 2016 try something new.

    shiftymccool ,

    Ah yes, “proven”. It’s obvious to me by your use of “proven”, “their”, “dictator shtick”, etc… that you are one of the crazies. You’re not here to spread wisdom because you have none and you’re not here to gain wisdom because you’re incapable of hearing it. Please feel free to go fuck yourself with a red trucker hat.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    As usual when defeated resort to ad-hominems.

    Rivalarrival ,

    Your scope of analysis is limited to 4 years. There’s no long term analysis.

    The long term analysis is that both Israel and Palestine have been more interested in conflict than peace for far longer than I have been alive.

    The reality is that their little quarrel is pretty low on my list of priorities. I want representatives who share that opinion.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Both Sidesing a Genocide by lying about history, another brave approach.

    Rivalarrival ,

    Universal Healthcare ranks higher on my list of priorities than Palestine.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Because it affects you?

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    Massive Hitlerite opinion there. Free healthcare for you is more important than ceasing support for genocide?!

    Diplomjodler3 ,

    That’s complete nonsense. Trump is going to support Netanjahu going full fascist. The Democrats are going to offer at least some resistance. Not nearly enough obviously, but there is a clear difference nonetheless. A second Trump administration would be extremely damaging not just to the US but to the entire world. But that’s fine by you, isn’t it? People like you just want to see the world burn and all your ideas of how something better is somehow going to rise from the ashes are just bullshit.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    You can’t defend a Genocide by pretending the Demcrats haven’t already gone full Fascist. All of Netanyahu’s commands have been obeyed to perfection.

    Diplomjodler3 ,

    Ah, “The Jews” are controlling the American government. Yeah, sure.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    I know liberals are supporting a Holocaust but cool it with the antisemitism

    zeppo ,
    @zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

    Are you going to reward Trump for his decade of insane douchebaggery and criminal behavior? Why would we do that?

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Never did I say vote for Trump you’re just putting words in my mouth now. But you’re saying you consider Trumps record of being a scamming piece of trash worse than literal Genocide?

    zeppo ,
    @zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

    You don’t seem to have read or followed any of the logic here. Why’s that?

    Someone who would otherwise vote for Harris voting 3rd party would help Trump win. Pretty simple. Not sure what’s so hard to understand about that. And Trump would be just as bad on Gaza, worst likely, and worse on every other issue facing the country as well. Not sure how many times we have to say it.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    No voting third party helps third party win.

    Voting for Harris is helping Genocide win.

    Rivalarrival ,

    We’ve tried “Not Genocide” for 80+ years, and it doesn’t seem to be improving the situation. What would you recommend?

    zeppo ,
    @zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

    you sound like fred flinstone

    davidagain ,

    Not voting for Kamala is helping Donald “best president for Israel in the history of the world” Trump win. Why do you pretend you want to stop genocide when you clearly support it.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Try telling Kamala she shouldn’t be Trump instead of pretending she’s different.

    davidagain ,

    BoTH SiDes

    dan1101 ,

    If a massive number of voters would vote third party that would be great. But based on every presidential election ever that’s just wishful thinking. The reality is a vote for a third party is one less vote for the best chance to defeat Trump.

    The reality here is we aren’t going to win with a non genocide candidate. The best we can do is go with the masses and vote the least bad candidate in.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Self-fulfilling prophecies are not an argument.

    BorgDrone ,

    You are confusing how you wish the world worked for how the world actually works.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    No u

    Rivalarrival ,

    The laws of thermodynamics are sometimes summarized as

    • You can’t win
    • You can’t break even
    • You can’t quit

    That summary applies to the Israel/Palestine conflict. Everyone is going to be pissed off no matter what we do, including if we do nothing.

    Politically, the best way to deal with Israel/Palestine is “Hey, look, a squirrel”.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Doing mental gymnastics to ignore a Genocide is very convenient.

    Rivalarrival ,

    Climate Change is a much higher priority than Palestine.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Because it affects you personally?

    skvlp ,

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  • Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    And the Democrats moved the embassy back right?

    skvlp ,

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  • Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar
    • Move the israeli embassy into Jerusalem
    • Literal mass Genocide on the Palestinians in Gaza

    Which of these is worse?

    BluJay320 ,
    @BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Just say you want Trump to win, we can all tell.

    UltraGiGaGigantic ,

    So you understand the mathematical flaws of First past the post voting?

    How is the electoral reform campaign going in your state? Surely you wouldn’t understand the faults of the voting system and then do nothing to fix it!

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