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michael_palmer , to memes in It's the same fake argument every time they try to take away your rights

Guys, have you ever been screwed by chinese seller on Aliexpress? Or missleaded by chinese ad? Lie and cheating is a part of chinese culture. So I think, that China is really a security threat.

lightnsfw ,

I’ve had very little issues with chinese sellers personally. The two times I did they quickly resolved the issue to my satisfaction. That’s more than I can say for all the times I had issues with American sellers.

Clent ,

Same. I’ve had several refunds. No request to return. Just full money back.

I don’t think people recognize how often a purchase made to Amazon or some similar seller platform is actually coming straight from China; always with a 2x or more mark up.

I’ve taken to always searching on ali to see if I can get the same thing for 1/10 the price. They don’t try to hide the shipping information like Amazon does. Where as Amazon won’t report anything until it’s in country and passed customs.

michael_palmer ,

That’s because Aliexpress refund system works good. But some time ago, several chinese seller tried to fool me in direct messaging saying “close the appelation and I’ll return money to your PayPal”. Also I had bad expirience with chinese software. It’s always proprietary, contain bugs and rarely get fixes.

lightnsfw ,

But some time ago, several chinese seller tried to fool me in direct messaging saying “close the appelation and I’ll return money to your PayPal”

I’ve had American sellers do the same thing on Amazon. I’ve had them lie about a product being new on their listing and refuse to correct the mistake only to try to bribe me to take my bad review of them down (even then their offer wasn’t sufficient to fix my problem). It’s not about nationality, it’s just scumbags being scumbags and those come from all nations.

davel , (edited )
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

All of that stuff happens in international retail with any country, and with software coming from any country.

I think you’re just being bigoted.

Aasikki ,

I have been screwed a time or two, but honestly, most of the time I’ve had a pretty good experience dealing with Chinese sellers. Of course that’s partly because I choose who I buy from carefully, as yeah there are a lot of scanners out there. I’ve also been scammed by local people and I think it’s important to not immediately judge people based on where they are from.

I’m pretty sure the reason there are so many scammers in china, is because of the amount of poor and desperate people there, and the fact that the situation has been like that for so long, is the reason it seems to have now been ingrained in their culture. There’s a huge amount of scammers in other poor countries like india as well.

Edit: typos

atyaz ,

Are you shitposting, I can’t tell

lledrtx ,

This is incredibly racist. So I really hope this is a troll post.

michael_palmer ,

Tiktok was caught spying on American journalists. Where is the racism here?

TokenBoomer ,
lledrtx ,

You taking your experience with a few AliExpress sellers & Tiktok owners and generalizing it to Chinese culture is the definition of racism.

Randomgal ,

Easy on the casual racism my dude.

Donkter ,

Why does AliExpress and Chinese ads signify all of Chinese culture? They have the second largest population in the world. You’ve chosen scams run by fractions of a percent of the population of China and decided that the entire culture is defined by lying and cheating?

hperrin , to memes in Yeee yee

I’m not far-left, I’m extreme far-left. Radical far-left if you will. I want everyone to have healthcare and adequate housing. (spooky noises)

Xanis ,

Whoaa there. That’s a bit extreme, don’t you think? Maybe turn it down a bit. Best we can do is Universal Debt and cardboard boxes.

TokenBoomer ,
NotBillMurray ,

Luxury gay space communism or bust

AngryCommieKender ,

FALGSC Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism

Overshoot2648 ,

I just a Mutualist who wants worker consumer cooperatives and housing cooperatives to be the only way to form businesses. Unless someone has a direct stake in the firm, they shouldn’t be able to benefit from it. No rent seeking, no venture capital, no bureaucracy.

abbenm , to linux in Btw

Excuse me! I would never buy a thinkpad.

monsterpiece42 ,

Good, keep the prices low for the smart people who do.

SSJ2Marx ,
@SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net avatar

low prices

On a Thinkpad!? Unless you’re buying a last-generation one that’s on clearance, that’s a laugh.

KillingTimeItself ,

homie you can get a t480 for like 150 dollars. For an 8th gen intel mobile chip that’s not a bad price.

All in on an older t420 or something you’ll be looking fairly similar, including battery, charger, and storage, unless you get a really good deal.

theshatterstone54 ,

Bro, they cost £300 on Ebay in the UK (a refurbished t480 with an 8th Gen Core i7)

KillingTimeItself ,

you can routinely find i5 variants here in the US for that price. Im sure the i7 models are more expensive, those are sought after, but frankly as long as the i5 models have 4 cores, they’re fine. Last i checked a t480 running a quad core i5 is 75% of my r5 2600, which is more than enough for mild productivity work.

SSJ2Marx ,
@SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net avatar

Well yeah I guess if you’re buying a used machine from six years ago with millions in existence because every business bought them it’ll be cheap no matter what manufacturer it’s from. Thinkpads do hold up better against age than most.

KillingTimeItself ,

yup

Bitrot ,
@Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

That’s what everyone is talking about. The new ones aren’t that great.

pukeko ,

A last generation ThinkPad is still going to be a beast you can get 6-7 years out of. I have a gen2 X1 that was still a beast until the offspring spilled a Coke on it.

KillingTimeItself ,

why not? They’re sick laptops. Just don’t buy the new ones, they’re cringe.

SexWithDogs , to memes in Yeee yee

What about people who are just left?

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

You mean like a Market Socialist or something?

SexWithDogs ,

Market Socialist

A what?

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Someone in favor of a market economy run by worker-owned entities.

SexWithDogs ,

Oh, I wouldn’t know anything about that.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

That’s what I would consider left, but not far-left. I suppose Socialism with Liberal Democracy, as opposed to a more direct or decentralized version of democracy, would be left but not far left as well. Capitalism ends where left begins.

SexWithDogs ,

Capitalism ends where left begins.

I’m not sure if you’re gatekeeping or just generalizing.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Neither. The left/right divide is Socialism/Capitalism. There are various Overton Windows, ie what is considered left or right when compared to an areas median, like Liberalism being left of the American median despite being a right-wing, Capitalist ideology.

Anarchism, Communism, Marxism, and other forms of Socialism are leftist, while Liberalism, Social Democracy, and fascism are rightist.

SexWithDogs , (edited )

Uh. Okay. If you say so. I wasn’t going to say anything about the No True Scotsman fallacy, but you really did force my hand with that last one. That’s outright silly, and a pretty vile attempt to coerce conformity out of of other progressives who don’t align with your perspective on economics by thinking you can label them “right-wing” for it.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

How would you propose left/right be divided, if not by the commonly accepted mechanics by which they differ?

SexWithDogs ,

I’m so glad you asked.

https://infosec.pub/pictrs/image/a212916f-8ff4-4ee7-b448-8a46f8f5a142.png

commonly accepted mechanics

I’m beginning to feel a little gas-lit.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

That refers to the Overton Window, as you can see it’s generally just vibes, and not actual measurable mechanics.

SexWithDogs ,

Right. I must’ve missed that because I don’t care about this conversation at all. Labels were never my thing to begin with. But you can call me right-wing if it makes you feel better, as long as I get to keep my trans boyfriend.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

You asked me, so I answered. Personally, I think left/right is hopelessly reductive, it ties too many unrelated things together, and says nothing of social views, of which you’re presumably very progressive despite right wing economic views.

That’s why I wouldn’t call you “right wing” before I called you a liberal, which I’m sure we are both comfortable with.

SexWithDogs ,

Hey, you’re the expert.

I personally couldn’t care less about economics. There are too many things to be right and passionate about for me to start worrying about all that theoretical insanity.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

That’s fine, never said you had to.

Overshoot2648 ,

It’s not linear. Anarchist or Libertarian Socialist systems like Syndicalism, Mutualism, Georgism, and Distributism are just as Socialist as Marxism in that they prevent the exploitation of capital accumulation, but they favor direct stakeholder ownership of firms in place of a state or other more communal systems that create an inherent hierarchy of power.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m aware that it’s not linear, but it’s also not a 2 axis grid, either. There are generally groups of ideologies based on what class they represent, and the methods they use.

Left and right are more for shorthand.

banneryear1868 ,

Not wholly opposed to that, markets can serve the purpose they’re designed for, and I could see an evolution of cybersyn that helps run the economy using simulated markets.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

I certainly think it’s much better than current Capitalism, that’s for sure, though it’s not enough to truly reach the finish line.

Overshoot2648 ,

As a Mutualist, while there are a few things that could be better centralized, I’m in favor of a full worker consumer cooperative economy. Housing, groceries, and, utilities all work better as cooperatives, but capitalist have enough wealth to often push cooperatives out in other markets.

Overshoot2648 ,

There’s also a middle ground between consumer cooperatives which are more on the communal side and worker cooperatives that are more on the libertarian socialist side with Worker Consumer Cooperatives that align both kinds of stakeholders with ownership and management reducing exploitation on both ends.

driving_crooner ,
@driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

They’re cowards.

SexWithDogs ,

That doesn’t even make any sense.

BothsidesistFraud ,

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  • brain_in_a_box ,

    Communism always has terrible outcomes

    Every communist country except for Cambodia saw massive, rapid, improvements in quality of living, to an unprecedented degree. Life expectancy in both China and the USSR more than doubled in only a few decades.

    BothsidesistFraud ,

    What of the purges, staration, and slaughter

    brain_in_a_box ,

    Considerably less of them than under capitalism.

    Linkerbaan ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    What about people who are extreme left

    fin , to memes in How does anybody think this is a solid plan

    TikTok isn’t free speech. It’s just a scrapyard of trashy contents. People use TikTok seem to like swimming in the pile of garbage.

    The_Lopen ,

    Honestly, I was one of those people. Eventually, I realized I wasn’t happy because the algorithm found that I responded to a specific narrative and would not stop showing it to me no matter how hard I tried to remove it from my feed. I don’t like the person I become when I think that way, and the algorithm does not care. I had to just uninstall TikTok to be free of that toxic mindset.

    Btw the mindset is incel-flavored misogyny. TikTok nearly re-radicalized me in the worst possible way.

    trannus_aran , to linux in Btw

    until their egg cracks and they put on the thigh highs :P

    roguetrick ,

    I don’t think you need to be trans to have a desire for the wonderful vascular benefits of stockings.

    trannus_aran ,

    oh for sure, but judging by unixsocks they seem to be correlated. At this point I’m considering “interested in Linux” to be One Of The Signs™️ lol

    MetaCubed ,

    I don’t think egg jokes are healthy for the trans community homi

    trannus_aran ,

    prime directive’s a psyop. Egg as a concept helped me and a lot of my friends find out who we are

    MetaCubed , (edited )

    Frankly idgaf about the prime directive (edit: this is perhaps an exaggeration, I meant I wasn’t necessarily referring to the prime directive) , but as an enby person, I think going around saying “doing this makes you an egg” is pretty antithetical to people not wanting to be judged for not complying with the gender roles that correspond with their assigned gender.

    trannus_aran ,

    I’m an enby too, and the point remains! I think what gets lost in translation here is that “hey, this is kinda eggy” =/= “hey, you’re an egg”. At this point, I’m really starting to see this is as a willful misinterpretation by reading the former AS the latter (not saying you’re doing this, but a lot of the self-hating folks who see transness as some sort of curse seem to be overrepresented in the population who react negatively to seeing anything as “eggy”)

    MetaCubed ,

    I’m going to very sincerely disagree. You can see it as misinterpretation if you like, but I believe there’s functionally no difference between the two statements you’ve provided and as long as the right is trying to come up with any excuse to outlaw our existence, its optically beneficial to come up with ways of educating people who may be “eggs” about being trans/enby that are informative, but are less likely to fuel a deranged groomer witchhunt. I’m glad it helped you and your friends, but given the political climate, I believe we should avoid terms that endanger us more than needed.

    Continue using it, I certainly won’t stop you. But I’m not going to start.

    Blopen_scr0pen ,

    A.K.A. get groomed by people with a femboy fetish

    solarvector , to memes in It's the same fake argument every time they try to take away your rights

    How is this itself not a fake argument?

    The arguments in support of tick-tock are a bizarre amalgamation of just about every category of bad faith argument. I haven’t seen one that suggests tick-tock it’s actually a net benefit.

    nohaybanda ,

    Net benefit to whom? And by what metric? And who gets to apply said metric?

    redempt ,

    it’s not that tiktok is good, it’s that banning it sets a bad precedent and will be used to justify further control and censorship of the internet

    zovits ,

    I’m all for setting a precedent if it’s about banning chinese spyware and propaganda weapons.

    Jako301 ,

    They don’t want to ban it, they want to seize controll of it and let it operate as is, just with different propaganda now.

    solarvector ,

    That’s a much better argument than what’s presented in this meme. There’s at least an argument to claim that the difference is about curtailing foreign interest through ownership. Ownership does heavily influence a platform. Unfortunately that hasn’t prevented Murdock from owning more formal messaging platforms.

    On a side note, how do you feel about a handful of corporations controlling and censoring the Internet?

    Adkml ,

    The net benefit is that people enjoy it.

    If there was some negative that outweighed that you’d think the bill would be banning that practice but the thing they don’t like is its partially owned by Chinese companies so they’re just trying to force it to be sold so it can cobtinye to operate in the exact same way but just for the benefit of an American billionaire instead.

    pancakes ,
    @pancakes@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Cocaine is something that people enjoy, same with driving drunk or drinking while pregnant. Enjoyment shouldn’t factor into any policy related discussions/ decisions.

    I’m not arguing for or against the app, I do not use it. Enjoyment shouldn’t affect policy.

    solarvector ,

    Ok, I agree there’s a reasonable argument in there.

    On the one side of the scale is people enjoy it. Maybe that’s enough. I feel similarly about drug policies (that is, people want to use it, consequences are on them, not something that should be forced on them by the state).

    I also think it’s legitimate to say if there’s a problem, policy should reflect that problem. The idea that it’s about protecting American money is probably fair too. But those aren’t really arguments in support of tick-tock. Those are arguments that others should be included if there’s legislation. I would love to see something passed that actually protected privacy universally. A hope for constitutional protection there was one of the casualties of the Roe v Wade overturn.

    Last thing… a nation protecting it’s interests is pretty legit in terms of legislative justification. One country protecting it’s industry is very common and something both countries in question do all the time. Protecting from foreign interference is a pretty standard requisite for sovereignty. If you want to criticize US for not respecting others, I think you’ve got plenty of evidence. That’s still different than saying a county shouldn’t take steps to protect themselves.

    SexWithDogs ,

    Whataboutism is a form of informal fallacy.

    The_Lopen ,

    Whataboutism means nothing at this point. Risk analysis? Whataboutism. Considering consequences? Whataboutism.

    “Informal” means it’s not actually a fallacy. Prooooobably because people use it way outside of its definition to dismiss arguments they don’t like because they have not thought through whatever they are arguing about.

    lightnsfw , to linux in Btw

    Therapy is expensive, I’d have to make appointments, leave my home during my free time, talk about myself to someone, and probably won’t help because my problems are external. No thanks.

    Buying a new laptop and installing an OS is a relatively simple and inexpensive process that is actually rewarding.

    ChaoticNeutralCzech ,

    Therapy actually often helps with external problems too. If you tried another therapist every time you installed a distro, you might have found one that can solve your problems.

    lightnsfw ,

    Okay so multiply all the other problems I listed by how many therapists I have to try and no they can’t solve my problems unless they’re gonna buy me a house or pay off my debts or something so I can actually get ahead financially.

    jaycifer ,

    No, a therapist will not give you money. What they could do is identify why you don’t have the money you need, then help you plan and execute the steps to accomplish your goal. If your goal is more money, I’d guess they would ask you if you are looking for a higher-paying job, then discuss what steps you can take to improve that process, with a focus on mental hurdles you may not even realize you’re putting in your way.

    areyouevenreal ,

    Unless those steps are overthrowing the rich then I think the person you are talking to is correct. This is a money problem not a psychological problem and most money problems are because of capitalism. Get a higher paying job? FFS what actually makes one job more valuable than another? It sure isn’t how essential it is as plenty of high pay jobs are things like finance bros.

    jaycifer ,

    No, the steps would probably be more along the lines of refreshing your resume, maybe setting up an appointment to have it professionally reviewed, getting a habit of applying for jobs going, stuff that materially contributes to having more money. A therapist might tell you that overthrowing the rich is a little too vague a plan to actually act on.

    I specifically said higher-paying instead of a “better” job because it’s not necessarily going to be a more fun or world-improving position. But if money is what you need and the job you apply for has a higher pay rate than the one you have now it will likely lead to you having more money, regardless of the greater economic climate.

    lightnsfw ,

    No, the steps would probably be more along the lines of refreshing your resume, maybe setting up an appointment to have it professionally reviewed, getting a habit of applying for jobs going, stuff that materially contributes to having more money. A therapist might tell you that overthrowing the rich is a little too vague a plan to actually act on.

    So the solution the therapist has is to hire a career counselor? That’s not them solving anything, that’s them passing the buck to someone else that will cost me even more money and time. Beside the fact that I already know how to ladder climb and am currently in a position that pays well above what most of my peers are making and is above the credentials I have on paper so I have to rely on networking for any new opportunities (which again i’m doing better than most of my network so they don’t have a lot to offer at this point). There really isn’t anywhere for me to go up from here without moving to a place that is even more expensive to live.

    The real issue is that inflation is out of control and housing is too expensive. My best bet of ever owning a home is waiting for my parents to die and inherit theirs and that thing is shitty new construction that was slapped together as quickly and cheaply as possible and will probably be falling apart by then.

    jaycifer ,

    Yes, in the hypothetical scenario where you are applying for positions but not hearing back and it has become frustrating, my theoretical therapist might suggest you get in touch with someone specialized in helping with that, and then if you continue to not do so while stressing over the state of your resume their job would be to help you take that step.

    Evidently that’s not your problem, which I could not be aware of, being a stranger on the internet before your explanation of your situation. Sorry my example did not perfectly address your situation.

    I don’t know how a therapist would react to your circumstances of being able to make more money but still not making enough because that is rather foreign to me, but I can tell you one thing. If you are holding down a job above your credentials, you are no longer holding down a job above your credentials, you are now holding down a job at your current level of credentials and I would recommend updating your papers to reflect that.

    lightnsfw ,

    By credentials I mean a degree and experience with particular tasks/applications. I can’t just change that on my resume if I don’t have it.

    areyouevenreal ,

    Yeah this guy is consistently defecting and giving bad advice. I don’t think they have any experience with the current job market, economy, or just the state of capitalism in general. Psychologists aren’t even the right people to go to here, you need a career specialist for that. If they said to get more qualifications instead that would make more sense, but clearly they just want to add therapy to everything as if that’s gonna fix it.

    jaycifer ,

    If I want to gain more qualifications but never actually spend time working on them, if I want a better resume but never even look up a phone number to call, do you think a therapist could help me get moving on those things I want to do?

    areyouevenreal ,

    That’s a hypothetical scenario and not at all the same one you were describing earlier or the scenario the other commentor is in. Stop trying so hard to be right. Even this scenario could be explained by exhaustion from working your current job.

    It costs you nothing to admit that you made a mistake and that sometimes psychologists aren’t the right answer. You only need a psychologist for career based problems in very specific scenarios for example when mental health issues or mental disabilities impact your work. Outside of that is what a career specialist is for, they should be a first port of call for career based problems as that’s exactly what they specialize in.

    jaycifer ,

    What I was trying to say is that if you already have a job above your qualifications, which my understanding is you do, you can use your experience in that job as a qualification for future jobs. Maybe I did a poor job of saying that.

    areyouevenreal ,

    That’s not how that works unfortunately. Job requirements change, different businesses have different requirements, and furthermore you probably need to look at a more advanced job for more money which requires more qualifications. For example in the tech industry jobs that you could get with experience or working up through a company now requires a degree because there are more people working in tech with degrees now. It’s supply and demand to put it simply.

    Hapbt ,
    @Hapbt@mastodon.social avatar

    @jaycifer @lightnsfw try adding "crypto" "AI" "decentralized" "quantum" to your resume

    areyouevenreal ,

    It feels bad that this could actually work for some places.

    Hapbt ,
    @Hapbt@mastodon.social avatar

    @areyouevenreal bought some bitcoin once? cryto analyst!
    asked chatgpt something once? AI LLM prompting
    downloaded a movie on bittorrent? distributed networking!

    areyouevenreal ,

    Stop trying to fit therapy to every problem. That’s not what it’s for. The best advice would be to upskill and gain qualifications - which not everyone can afford. Stop trying to ignore physical reality and claim the economy and everything is fine when it clearly isn’t. Admit there are problems and actually do something about it! Complain to politicians, unionize, strike.

    Telling people to go to therapy for economic and financial problems is maybe the dumbest thing I have heard unless you have a problem with impulsive purchases or the like.

    0x0 ,

    Therapist-hoping, eh?

    Evil_Shrubbery ,

    Therapy is also other people, so no, just no.

    tkk13909 , to memes in Gotta show my Respect.

    Ah yes, the hammer and sickle; a symbol known throughout the world for championing gay rights.

    DragonTypeWyvern ,

    It’s almost like they added some other symbol in there to alter the meaning for a new generation.

    tkk13909 ,

    What other symbol did they add?

    DragonTypeWyvern ,

    Bro… Just count the things with symbolic value in the bottom image

    reverendsteveii , to memes in It's the same fake argument every time they try to take away your rights

    it would be one thing if they were actually going to ban it, but the plan is pretty plainly for deep state establishment to seize it so that the US government can do all the awful things that they’re accusing the Chinese government of doing. Remember y’all, the difference between information and propaganda is “Do I like the person who is currently speaking?” and nothing more.

    raccoona_nongrata ,
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  • reverendsteveii ,

    I didn’t say anything was made up or that China was doing anything good. You put the phrase “made up” in quotes. Find it in my original comment if you’re quoting me.

    What I did say was that the US government is angling to steal China’s propaganda apparatus to use for itself and pretending that it’s protecting us.

    Read better.

    RaoulDook ,

    If it truly was a “free speech platform” the ownership wouldn’t matter either way, right?

    reverendsteveii ,

    swing and a miss

    the point is that they’re trying to pretend they’re protecting us from propaganda by seizing the propaganda platform and operating it themselves. you don’t trust the CCP and neither do I. Let’s take that as read. do you trust the US government? if this is dangerous, why not shut it down? hell, why not go a step further and make it illegal for anyone to do?

    Blopen_scr0pen , to linux in Btw

    Or men who think they’re women 🤣

    Lux ,

    Transphobia is cringe

    ChaoticNeutralCzech ,

    or men who think they are a woman

    Such men don’t exist. If they consistently think they’re a woman, then they are a woman. At least in terms of gender, and asking about one’s gender (or pronouns) is preferred to biological/legal sex.

    cirdanlunae ,

    We don’t do that here

    jjlinux , to linux in I apologise if this is already common knowledge, but I just found out you can have multiple layers of LUKS encryption on a drive!
    @jjlinux@lemmy.ml avatar

    Never apologize for enjoying the discovery of new things. That’s awesome, enjoy it.

    Grangle1 , to linux in Btw

    I DON’T HAVE A PROBLEM buys 3 more Thinkpads on eBay

    nexussapphire ,

    I can stop whenever I want. Buys a pallet of busted Thinkpad.

    delirious_owl ,
    @delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

    Moar leik chrome books

    FreshLight , to linux in Btw

    Let’s say I have an old ThinkPad…

    Where does one start when trying Arch?

    I used some Linux distros before and tinkered a little bit but I’m not too deep into Arch atm (but eager to get into it).

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    I just followed the comfy arch install guide with some additions from the comments section on YouTube, and I had a working machine quickly.

    SSJ2Marx , to linux in Btw
    @SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net avatar

    Arch users

    pathetic LinuxFromScratch users

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