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fin ,

TikTok isn’t free speech. It’s just a scrapyard of trashy contents. People use TikTok seem to like swimming in the pile of garbage.

The_Lopen ,

Honestly, I was one of those people. Eventually, I realized I wasn’t happy because the algorithm found that I responded to a specific narrative and would not stop showing it to me no matter how hard I tried to remove it from my feed. I don’t like the person I become when I think that way, and the algorithm does not care. I had to just uninstall TikTok to be free of that toxic mindset.

Btw the mindset is incel-flavored misogyny. TikTok nearly re-radicalized me in the worst possible way.

Rustmilian ,
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You really think TikTok has free speech. LMAO.
They will shadow ban you for anything the CCP doesn’t like.

gnomesaiyan ,
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If you really wanted to ban China, stop buying everything they make. Oh, that’s right, you can’t. It’s literally everywhere.

7heo ,

Oh, no, we totally can. We just need to buy local. What? It is “too expensive!!”? Yeah, well, tell me about being part of the problem…

shiftymccool ,

Just pick a different fucking video platform. There’s something wrong about a thing when people call their senators and threaten suicide if they take it away

Rustmilian ,
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That’s literally Addiction. Most social media use addiction for profit.

this_is_router ,
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People are intolerant. Let’s not tolerate them. Now we are intolerant:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Juno ,

It’s not a ban of tiktok when they are being forced to sell to a usa company.

And in what way will free speech be hurt? Now I can make jokes about Xi Jinping looking like Winnie the pooh on tiktok once the USA owns it. If anything speech will be more free and this is a shitpost from a China shill.

Fuck the CcP and Fuck Xi jinping! - free enough for you?

Umbrias ,

The actual problem is that the language of the bill is looking to make it far easier for a president to ban any given potentially foreign influenced video platform. That’s not fantastic and it’s been masked under these compounding layers of absurdity.

this_is_router ,
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Why are you so angry? I never meant or even said what you are implying i did. Quiet the contrary: read the wikipage again, its about when it is justified to act like the side you want to ban.

Juno ,

I calmly and deliberately don’t like the ccp or xijinping.

FreshLight ,

I wonder if there will be a time when people use this meme template properly again…

Doubledee ,
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Even the people pushing this law acknowledge that the threat is purely theoretical, no one is advancing any serious argument that data has been or will be shared or leaked or anything of the sort. It’s just xenophobia, if they wanted to protect American citizens’ data they would do something about the way they allow tech companies to just take your data and turn around and sell it to whoever wants it.

Bonus points because US government officials can punt a great bargain basement blowout sale to former US officials by forcing the sale of a company using said xenophobia.

zifnab25 ,

We will be more like China

We won’t be like China. We’ll be more insulated and divorced from Chinese media, culture, and conversation.

That’s the stated end goal. Bringing up sharp walls between nationalities in order to control the flow of information between people.

If we keep TikTok open, we risk exposing American young people to Chinese norms, ideals, and social standards. We might even be exposed directly to Chinese mass media (ie, propaganda).

This is a real security risk, as it raises a possibility that younger Americans won’t accept American mass media at face value.

voracitude , (edited )

No, the concern is not what people will see on TikTok but what data TikTok is offshoring from their devices to servers in China. It’s a massive surveillance operation.

Now, why would you be trying to dress this up as a free speech issue, I wonder?

makeasnek OP , (edited )
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Except they already made Oracle handle all that and they can easily legislate privacy protections without banning TikTok entirely. And, again, it is my right as a citizen to install whatever app I want even if it is spying on me, just like the rest of my apps do. I could film every second of my life and put it up on Facebook or a personal website and the Chinese government could watch it and there’s not a damned thing the US government can do about it.

cmder ,

Why don’t you install chinese wechat version ? Oh no you don’t because government like China restriced acces to it. The point is to protect the mass that doesn’t know they are being spy on, if you want to use it jist grab the apk from internet.

mihnt ,
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I could film every second of my life and put it up on Facebook or a personal website and the Chinese government could watch it and there’s not a damned thing the US government can do about it.

Sounds like your free speech hasn’t been effected then.

voracitude ,

They’ve still been offshoring all data to China in contravention of direct orders to stop. Your right to be a moron doesn’t extend to compromising national security, not sorry.

bouh ,

That’s quite ironic coming from the USA! Did the patriot act got amended recently or is this sheer hypocrisy?

voracitude ,

Ahh, “but what about”. Not “That’s not true, here’s proof”. Interesting approach, even if ineffective.

bouh ,

What the fuck?! This shit with tiltok is one of the ugliest imperialist shit the USA pulled this century, dropping the rule of trade to the full on empire mode, and you’re talking here about whataboutism?

We have a country literally stealing a company because it’s profitable and can spread influence! And you’re here like “China bad”?

Is this the strategy? Anytime something bad from the US comes up you deflect for it to be about China I guess?

voracitude ,

Oh boy, you think this is the worst thing America has done, even this week? Now I don’t know if I should tell you about the rest…

Rustmilian , (edited )
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USA PATRIOT Improvement and Reauthorization Act of 2005, USA PATRIOT Act Sunset Extension Act of 2006, USA PATRIOT Act Sunset Extension Act of 2009, USA PATRIOT Act Sunset Extension Act of 2011, USA FREEDOM Act of 2015, etc.

WbrJr ,

I would argue in addition to that, that it is the things you don’t see on tiktok. They censor specific content that is criticising china or portraying them in a bad light. I’m shure there is good content on the platform. But I genuinely do not understand how people can still use tiktok, same as meta platforms (though they don’t censor that much). Do they not know? Or don’t care?

voracitude ,

Do they not know? Or don’t care?

Some people one, some people the other, some people both.

Heavybell ,
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Why don’t they just ban those data gathering practises, then? :P

(jk I know why)

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