And if you still want to buy them they cost a stupid amount (I just checked - £15 in Tesco for 20 B&H!), plus there’s a huge illustrated message on the packet about illness and death. I can’t fathom why anyone still smokes.
I truly do not understand why anyone starts it. It doesn’t provide relief, it just makes you MORE anxious and frustrated when you can’t smoke right away.
I made a conscious decision to start smoking in highschool because all the cool people smoked. I think it was Andrew Dice Clay that finally pushed me over the edge to start. I thought he looked like such a badass smoking cigarettes.
Like I said, he pushed me over the edge, but all the cool people in movies smoked, Joe Camel was cool, the Marlboro Man was cool, Hollywood and the tobacco companies made it look really cool. And yes, Clay has not aged well, but his humor and attitude were pretty cool in the 90’s. He used to do all sorts of cool tricks with cigarettes and zippo lighters, and he just made it look really cool. It was while watching The Adventures of Ford Fairlane when I remember making a conscious decision that I was going to start smoking. That was right after watching Harley-Davidson and the Marlboro Man movie.
Edit: here’s a couple pictures from said movie, since it’s a very different aesthetic than what you found. Look at that cast!
TLDR: Car battery is 350Wh. Fridge uses 143W idle, so it’ll run a fridge for 2-3 hours.
Explanation below:
Car batteries are lead-acid (sulphuric acid and lead plates).
They discharge according to Peukert’s Law as the negatively charged plate gets covered in lead via the acid (electrolyte).
As the battery depletes, the negative plate can begin to take permanent damage, and so you can’t discharge a lead-acid deeper than 10-20%, or about 10.8V, with the safe limit being ~50% discharge.
Most 12V, 60Ah batteries therefore only safely store and nominally discharge 350 Wh @ 350W.
You can discharge that as fast as you want but the faster you discharge, the lower the capacity is (with 1000-1500W bringing you way down to like 65 Wh). Fridges have a surge when they start up to fire up the compressor. Starter batteries can take that, but once the refrigerant is cold, the fridge just maintains the temperature which uses a lot less energy - about 143W on average.
Isn’t that like 1250 kWh on an annual basis of idle usage? An efficient fridge should use 150-200 kWh per year, this isn’t just idle usage. Even an inefficient fridge would be really high with that kind of idle usage.
Sure, buy an inverter and burn up 10% of your energy in the conversion if you’re lucky. That inverter will cost roughly as much as the contents of a standard fridge + freezer, by the way :)
At that point just buy a well insulated cooler and always have some ice on hand. It’ll last much longer.
The question wasn’t “Is it efficient or cheap”, it was how much energy is in a battery, and if and for how long would it run a fridge. If you also want to add one more point to why you probably shouldn’t do it, car starter batteries don’t generally like to be deeply discharged, you’d want to get a marine battery for that use.
As for how much the inverter would cost, depends on the fridge, but Amazon has a 1000W inverter for around $85, that should be enough for most. Ours could run from a 300W one, they cost around $30. Pretty handy devices if you want to run any kinds of electronics from a car anyway, I have one for when I want to charge my laptop and RC batteries on the field.
3500 watt inverter is 300 dollars at a Flying J. Mines 7 years old and was used 5 years straight when I was a trucker, as I removed the 12v factory fridge that could kill 4 batteries over night, with a 110v fridge, I could safely leave food in all my days off and the truck would still start. Now it’s hardwired to my pickup as a emergency generator and electric impact wrench power source. People laugh initially when they me pull out the impact and then ask what it cost. I also mounted a coffee maker behind the seat because gas station coffee is fucking garbage and its 4 hours to a major center
Your comment was ambiguous, stupid, and designed to ridicule. If you are attempting to imply inverter and other loss then be more specific. Regardless, the comment you were referring to already provides arbitrary values that you can assume include loss.
So please explain to me what the fridge being 12v DC or mains AC powered has to do with anything, when an example uses arbitrary power and energy values? I’m genuinely curious.
I owe nothing to you. Enjoy your time being a sad person trying to bring others down on the internet :) I hope this little outlet makes you feel better
No it doesn’t. Watts do give a shit what percentage is voltage vs amps. You have to convert between AC and DC as appropriate as well as ensuring the voltage of a 12v battery is stepped if needed, but the watts are the same in any case. (Not figuring for system losses)
You should Google what a step up and step down transformer do. It’s very simple and easy to prove you’re a dipshit once you understand you’re arguing from bad faith trying to compare a simple bit of circuitry design to hydro power.
We are talking about whether it’s possible to run a regular fridge on a 12v car battery. Not if it’s efficient lol. You have to convert DC to AC because that’s part of the problem, so yeah I made that jump all on my own lmao
You’re a troll, but there’s no rustled jimmies here… You’re too obvious.
The only thing running in idle is the timer and power led, which consume insignificant amounts of power. By my calculations, the average modern fridge does bursts of ~300W during compression and defrosting cycles, with ~40-50W consumption on average over long periods.
You did not answer their question. They asked for Watts, not Watt hours. Average car batteries have a CCA in the range of 500 to 1000 Amps at 12V, so you could reasonably have 12kW in there :D
And this is why I have an automatic emergency backup generator. No math required. Power goes out, gentset comes on. Power come back on, genset turns off.
I always thought it was named after the man because you have to stab at the stupid fucking croutons at least as many times as caesar himself just to get one on your fork or break it up. I hate those little fuckers.
It will take some mathversion to convert from the CPUs/s a Mac uses and the MotherBoards/s in a raspberry pi. I’m working on getting some insurance for ChaGPT to find out.
Now I don’t know enough about electronics to know how wrong this is, but I do know enough about electronics to know that this absolutely sounds wrong.
The problem comes when someone takes an answer like this, knowing far less than I do, and they try and hook up their fridge to a car battery.
And this is why I hate LLMs. Being confidently wrong is scary enough when it’s just people, nevermind technology.
It does make me chuckle, though, that Skynet could have been totally innocent in their destruction of the human race, they just confidently came to the wrong conclusion and had the tools to carry it out.
Like a toddler whose inner thoughts are telling him to throw a cat out of the window. He doesn’t know he’s going to kill it, he just knows that’s what his brain is telling him to do.
Now I don’t know enough about electronics to know how wrong this is
Very, assuming the refrigerator in question typically runs on a typical power grid you’d find in the US or Europe (source: am electrical engineer)
Mainly because most compressors I’m aware of use alternating current (AC) motors, or at a minimum accept AC power. Batteries alone produce direct current (DC). The simplest way to make this work would involve an inverter (converts DC to AC). Cheap ones probably have at least a 10% conversion loss, so you’re looking at an hour or two at most.
Edit: should also mention that discharging a typical lead-acid battery until it’s all the way flat (realistically below ~11V) does irreparable damage. Might be cheaper to replace the contents of your fridge :)
From a technical stance, it’s right. This top comment does the math pretty well, and I’ve done it myself recently trying to decide if I should add a battery backup on my fridge. If you can overcome the startup surge (and a car battery definitely can), a modern fridge doesn’t draw very much power.
Of course, there’s a lot of details missing about how you do this without dying of electrocution. So I think it’s also a fair criticism of the LLM.
Yeah. A meme that is just straight up wrong. That never happens.
I mean, if it was named after Julius Caesar, why? We should eat it with knives or something. I’m sure they had Dijon and Worcestershire sauce in 50 BCE. Wonder what mental retcon people have made up to claim the association.
I really LOVE not showing the flashy packaging, that shuts off much of the monkey brain. I’d love to read a study that went into what effect that has on smokers.
Probably zero effect. Smokers continue smoking regardless of everything thrown at them because it’s ridiculously addictive. But you’re right, it would be interesting to see the actual data.
Smoking rates in NZ have reduced markedly and this is one of the many actions we’ve taken as a nation to get the numbers down. I’d think it has an effect thou probably more on reducing uptake
I think it’s probably the rising cost and the increased outcast status of smokers that has had the biggest impact. That and vaping being an outstanding cessation method. It’s really inconvenient being a smoker now.
The ultimate goal is to prevent people from starting. Cessation is a secondary goal, and always has been. Because it’s much much easier to intercept an addiction before it starts.
That’s what this sort of display is trying to do. It’s not going to deter current smokers, because they already know what brand they like. But it will be very effective at stopping new people from starting.
My only worry would be accidentally fetishizing it. I can say I always wanted to go past the bead door in the movie rental place just to see what was on the other side
I dunno. How many people start smoking because they were in the shop and thought “go on then, I’ll try some”?
I’d wager most people start in school, taking it up from peer pressure courtesy of that six foot 14 year old with a tash who looks just old enough to buy them at the corner shop, and then keeping that habit up throughout their life.
Maybe it stops people relapsing, but for most smokers you could put them on the other end of a minefield with barbed wire and they’d still want them.
That said, the smokers at work have pretty much all swapped to vaping now, purely out of cost. £15 for a pack of fags is a big ask, when you can get a bunch of disposable dodgy vapes for much less.
In Europe packs are required to have medical photos of their long term effects on the front (black lungs, people hooked up to machines while getting cancer treatment looking like death, that sort of thing). I kinda like that it’s displayed prominently in that case. I have no clue if it works, but over all I think there are less smokers now in general, at least in my personal experience. So it might? Who knows…
Don’t assume it’s the same for everyone as it was for you. I would bet there is at least some noticeable percentage that quit because of this, or at least helped by this, but if that’s 4% or 25%, I haven’t the faintest.
Honestly, I’d love to see this be the case for all products. The packaging has no effect on the quality of the product. Give me a name, description, and what’s in it and let my logical brain only make the decision. I am pretty far away from advertising where possible, but you can’t get away from it while shopping, which is likely the place where it has the largest effect.
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