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lemmy.ml

NewDark , to programmerhumor in I mean at least they are honest?

localStorage is a thing, don’t need cookies for browser state

DmMacniel ,

Sure it is a thing but JavaScript on that domain can access it either injected or provided by the site. This is quite risky. Cookies can be http only so that client code cant access it.

Zzombiee2361 ,

How is storing hideCookieBanner: false on local storage risky?

DmMacniel ,

What would the benefit of storing that in local storage?

bighi ,

Remembering that the user asked to not see that banner again.

BorgDrone ,

Why not just set a cookie?

bighi ,

Because we were talking about how to save that information without using cookies. Setting a cookie would break the one thing that the conversation was about, wouldn’t it?

If we’re in a fun conversation about how to enter your home without using the door, would you be the one saying “I have an idea, I have an idea: use the door”?

BorgDrone ,

It was clearly a reference to the so called ‘cookie laws’ requiring permission for tracking cookies. However, cookies that are not for tracking purposes do not require any form of consent.

BorgDrone ,

Legally it’s the same thing. The ‘cookie laws’ don’t explicitly forbid cookies, any kind of tracking is prohibited. Also, just storing a cookie with the information that a banner was shown doesn’t require consent. The only thing that requires consent is tracking the user.

Nibbler , to fediverse in Second largest Lemmy instance preemptively un-friends Facebook

Sweet action! After hearing about Lemmy.world not doing the same i’ll be switching instances. It’s great that I can make that decision.

guyman ,

Yep. Different strokes for different folks.

That’s the glory of federation.

Marxine , to fediverse in Second largest Lemmy instance preemptively un-friends Facebook
@Marxine@lemmy.world avatar

sigh Based Lemmy devs having yet another big W. Wish my instance did the same

guyman ,

Why don’t you just move to that instance?

Marxine ,
@Marxine@lemmy.world avatar

I hope they’re accepting new members, last I knew about it they were already very loaded with new users.

guyman ,

Oh, that doesn’t sound like a very good instance to me.

But good luck!

Marxine ,
@Marxine@lemmy.world avatar

By loaded I meant with servers full, don’t know if it came across correctly. 😅 They’re smaller than lemmy.world though

xbhaktapur , to programmerhumor in What programmers actually do
@xbhaktapur@lemmy.world avatar

This post makes me feel old.

mainaccount , to programmerhumor in Stage 1: denial

So true. LOL

CosmicSploogeDrizzle , to fediverse in Second largest Lemmy instance preemptively un-friends Facebook
@CosmicSploogeDrizzle@lemmy.world avatar

Good

downpunxx , to fediverse in Second largest Lemmy instance preemptively un-friends Facebook

When companies like META show you how ruinous they are the first dozen times, over and over without end, you believe them, and you defend yourself, or you deserve every bad thing that’s going to happen to you, when they repeat their corporate driven ends at your expense

guyman ,

🥱

You didn’t say anything of substance.

Ryumast3r ,

You keep saying this sentence, and the funny thing is you aren’t saying anything of substance.

guyman ,

He’s not giving any examples, just vague nothingness that can apply to anything.

Ryumast3r ,

Not every post needs to be a dissertation.

guyman ,

You’re right, but when spreading FUD it helps to have some concrete examples. Otherwise it just looks like you’re going off of emotion. It’s a dangerous path to go down, but a lot of people have no problem walking it.

GONADS125 ,

I think this falls more into the category of being such blatant common knowledge that it doesn’t need to be cited. Just as I wouldn’t feel the need to cite the claim that fast-food is unhealthy.

guyman ,

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  • GONADS125 ,

    Okay, yeah. You’re definitely a troll.

    guyman ,

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  • MeetInPotatoes ,

    For real, this troll is honestly trying to argue that Meta being a hostile company isn’t common knowledge.

    MeetInPotatoes ,

    Yeah, all these delusional people who know that Meta has earned its bad reputation. 🙄

    guyman ,

    By doing what?

    MeetInPotatoes ,

    It’s the scorpion and the frog, completely.

    “Oh, man…who would’ve thought that the people who want to monetize everything and dominate any market they get into would not just be our friends this time?”

    guyman , to fediverse in Second largest Lemmy instance preemptively un-friends Facebook

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  • Squiglet ,

    Dude you’ve been shitting on people all over this thread. What’s your problem?

    guyman ,

    What are you talking about? There is a lot of wrong information and childish sentiments.

    Can you ask the people shitting on me what’s their problem? Some guy said I had a hardon for Zucc, lol. Funny how none of you are criticizing him. Probably because you are biased.

    KiranWells , to programmerhumor in True story
    @KiranWells@pawb.social avatar

    The best part is that this is written on the top part of the box, meaning you would have to open the box to read it.

    rarely , to fediverse in Second largest Lemmy instance preemptively un-friends Facebook

    Welp.

    fisco , to fediverse in Second largest Lemmy instance preemptively un-friends Facebook
    @fisco@lemmy.ml avatar

    Good 👍🏼

    guyman ,

    Yay censorship and users not being able to make decisions for themselves!

    Yay emotions!

    mrpants ,

    Users are making decisions for themselves.

    guyman ,

    No they aren’t. Users literally do not have the power to choose which instances they see. They have to rely on their instance admins or make their own instance.

    Apex_Fail ,

    You know you can choose another instance, or, Ya know, make a threads account.

    Personally I don’t want any sponsored posts here.

    guyman ,

    Or I can stay on this one because it’s federating in a way that suits me?

    You know, you could choose another instance like lemmy.ml instead of trying to get lemmy.world to be more like it.

    Logic. It is not present in this thread, lol.

    Sanctus ,
    @Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

    We came here to get away from corporations. Its not about censorship. You sound like a corporate shill with that take.

    guyman ,

    Speak for yourself.

    Everyone came here for their own reasons. Try not to project how you feel onto literally everyone else, lol.

    Tigerfishy ,

    Lemmy is not a place for the type of people that end needlessly rude sentences with LOL. Everyone hates the LOL at end

    guyman ,

    Lol, what?

    Sounds like you need to moderate your own instance, lol.

    Kolanaki ,
    @Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

    Idk he sounds pretty reasonable to me and is specifically not lumping everyone into the same group as you are. Not everyone shares your opinion. Not everyone cares enough. I think the individual should be able to decide for themselves, and the ability to block an instance yourself is something desperately needed over this kind of wanton shutting out of things only some people are against.

    Thorny_Thicket ,

    How does defederating protect you from Facebook? Honest question.

    MrKurteous ,

    My impression is that the hope is it will stop them from doing EEE on us

    Sanctus ,
    @Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

    Their instance won’t be able to interact with ours. If everyone does it we basically wall them in their own garden. But this time of our making. This honestly won’t stop their content being reposted here.

    straF ,

    I thought we were here to say f off to one corporation. Can I still use the local grocery store??

    Exusia ,
    @Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

    They can always make an account that federates with Threads, or make a Threads acccount, or host their own Instance and be their own lord of the manor. You choose that here.

    This complaint doesn’t work. “Noones treading on you, sweetie.”

    guyman ,

    Or they could stay on lemmy.world? What exactly is the problem here?

    It sounds like you don’t want to see an instance and think everyone else shouldn’t see it either. I’m glad you’re not the one making these decisions!

    It’s hilarious how you people aren’t even satisfied with lemmy.ml blocking facebook. No, you need all of the big instances to block it. Grow up.

    It would be nice if users could block entire instances on their own. That would completely solve this problem.

    Exusia ,
    @Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

    They could stay on Lemmy.ml but you said yourself that you’re “tired of people making choices for you”. Im not sure how you thought using someone else’s server works. They own it, they can do what they want. Isn’t that how right leaning Americans want it? The thing about Federation is that even John Q Citizen can spin up their own Instance. Noone is forcing you to use someone else’s Instance and be bound by that Instances rules. Own your Instance server you can make the rules.

    Also, your you of “You people” is disingenuous because what makes you think this is my only account, on the only server. There’s nothing saying I can’t have accounts on every public server. Because, as mentioned, I am free to not agree with an admins choices and noone is forcing me to stay on one Instance.

    And your last - part you can! Own your own Server Instance and you can Defederate all you want! You cN even launch your own Communities identical to the others to not miss out on content you do want to see.

    guyman , (edited )

    “No, you start your server!”

    “No, you!”

    That’s what you sound like to me.

    I’m literally telling you all that lemmy.world is fine for me and you’re trying to make the backwards argument that it should change for you and I should spin up my own instance?

    My god. Logic is not present in this thread at all. Just say “I don’t like facebook and neither should anyone else.” You’d come across as more genuine.

    Also, users shouldn’t have to host their own instance to choose what instances they see. They should have the ability to block entire instances just like they block communities and users. This is a horrible oversight of the platform and hopefully will be fixed soon.

    Exusia ,
    @Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

    If an Instance Owner holds a vote and 98% of people say they want to Fedi with Threads, and the owner Defederates anyway, they can do that because they own it. It will make those 98% unhappy, but that’s the price of being on that owners Instance. The owner has execute authority.

    So the alternatives are - in order of difficulty and effort/cost 1.Make a Threads account 2.join a Fedi that is still federated with them 3.Make your own.

    If the 98% were actually that unhappy and did literally anything other than staying and creating content on that Instance, then it reduces traffic to that Instance. And the owner is left with a ton of sunken cost in hardware for not listening to a 98% vote. That’s how capitalism is supposed to work, right?

    guyman ,

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  • Exusia ,
    @Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

    You argued for 2 hours just to finally admit you don’t want solutions, you just want to keep being a victim.

    And pre-emptively, I’m going to predict you’re going to make some kind of snarky reply about blocking me, like you did the other users. Because you just need the attention announcing it brings.

    guyman ,

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  • Exusia , (edited )
    @Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

    Fuckin lol called it. User doesn’t react to my edits and didn’t notice my call out their newd for an edit. Pretty sure I just spent 3 hours talking to a fuckin bot.

    fisco ,
    @fisco@lemmy.ml avatar

    You’re free to decide to move to another instance… Simple👍🏼

    dustojnikhummer ,

    And free to not move from lemmy.world if they don’t block Facebook

    abclop99 , to programmerhumor in Tabs vs Spaces

    Tabs for indentation, spaces for alignment.

    books , to fediverse in Second largest Lemmy instance preemptively un-friends Facebook

    So can Facebook harvest our data even though we aren’t on their instance?

    burrp ,
    @burrp@burrp.xyz avatar

    of course they can. none of this is private.

    woelkchen ,
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    Everyone can “harvest” public data. Defederation doesn’t do anything about that.

    guyman ,

    Bro. Anyone can harvest the data you post on a public forum.

    cerevant ,

    Facebook can harvest all the data in all the instances while being defederated.

    terribleplan ,
    @terribleplan@lemmy.nrd.li avatar

    So, hear me out... What if we put a scheme in place where anyone who wanted to use the API had to pay for access? And then we charge like 20x what we should to put them out of business. I am sure that would work out well.

    books ,

    Sorry, should have been more clear. Private data, like os, screen resolution, headphones etc… basically all that shit we saw in that screenshot a few days ago

    cerevant ,

    They couldn’t get any of that information through a federated instance. If they federated, you wouldn’t interact with them, your instance would.

    books ,

    Great. Thanks!

    Thorny_Thicket ,

    Only way for them to get that data is by you downloading their proprietary app. When it comes to the content you post here its all public and you can’t prevent them from seeing it.

    jxrdsn , to fediverse in Second largest Lemmy instance preemptively un-friends Facebook
    @jxrdsn@infosec.pub avatar

    I’m actually shocked by the growth of threads, I underestimated how much people don’t care about their digital privacy.

    rarely ,

    What they don’t know will hurt them, sadly.

    woelkchen ,
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    Those are existing Instagram accounts.

    guyman ,

    Bro. It’s a public forum. What ‘digital privacy’ are you talking about?

    hackitfast ,
    @hackitfast@lemmy.world avatar

    This digital privacy.

    Threads for iOS

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/9abdb1d0-ee5f-49d1-9077-116074775699.png

    Liftoff for Lemmy

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/afd6c55c-ba49-4166-a5e5-738c92ea64f6.png

    People don’t understand what they’re doing literally signing away their data and accepting these Terms of Service.

    guyman ,

    What are you talking about?

    If users are okay with giving up that information then that’s their choice. Stop being patronizing and condescending just because people don’t care about the things you do. It’s very childish.

    GONADS125 ,

    You’re obviously arguing in bad faith, using ad hominen on everyone with a dissenting view, spamming the hypocritical accusation of others making hollow statements, and you’re also hypocritically emotionally charged in your arguments. You’re either trolling or extremely self-deluded.

    guyman ,

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  • GONADS125 ,

    I am calm. Classic baseless claim. Just because you are reacting emotionally to what I’ve written, it does not mean I was emotional when typing it.

    I don’t feed trolls. Get a life.

    guyman ,

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  • ColonelSanders ,

    You lost buddy. Go home.

    guyman ,

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  • Thorny_Thicket ,

    These people are already on instagram. Now they’re just giving their data to Facebook twice.

    ShakeThatYam ,
    @ShakeThatYam@lemmy.world avatar

    You are using a social network on some random dude’s server.

    ashok36 ,

    Any random person is at least a hundred times more ethical than mark Zuckerberg.

    emperorbenguin ,

    You overestimate the ethics of random human beings.

    Atleast zuck is beholden to pretend to be ethical.

    jxrdsn ,
    @jxrdsn@infosec.pub avatar

    That is very true, but I have a little more trust in this random dude’s server where he gets access to what? He sees my IP address? Than a corp that collects an unnecessary amount of user info for the sole purpose of keeping you locked into their apps with little disregard for health. While also pimping your info out to any persons with $2 to their name.

    dustojnikhummer ,

    Yeah I wouldn’t take on hosting a public instance, especially in EU, as it comes with all sorts of legal shite

    brain_pan ,
    @brain_pan@infosec.pub avatar

    tbf, that’s every social network isn’t it?

    straF ,

    Which is why we should federate. People have the choice to use a low availability “private” server hosted by amateurs on lemmy or use something secure and distributed that works 100%.

    A little warning: the site owners on lemmy could be doing many malicious things. The simplest is the ability to drop trackers in the sites header section. However they could have dns based trackers that are invisible to end users. And thats just tracking so far. The only reason we know facebook is a slime bag is years and years of leaks.

    Paradoxvoid , to programmerhumor in Really is that way …
    @Paradoxvoid@aussie.zone avatar

    Also trying to understand the code you wrote 6 months ago.

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