I think anyone who’s even remotely curious about hexbear should go make an account and just… Iunno, check it out? That’s what i did and it ended up being my home away from home.
Their viewpoints are gonna be absolute whiplash for most people unaccustomed to speaking about world topics from a non-us-centric perspective, or who have only learned about what communism actually is from our (definitely not biased) general education.
Calling those viewpoints “crazy” is just a shortcut, a base dismissal of thought unworthy of critical thinkers.
If you take me up on this, go lurk a bit! They can’t hurt you. If after awhile of lurking, you have a question (you will have questions) ask them from a position of curiosity that you’re interested in their perspective instead of one there to “educate the commies” and you’ll be just fine. Hell you don’t ever have to engage in politics at all there, hexbear has as many shitposts as the other instances do
I recall i went to hexbear because sh.itjust.works was defedding and erryone was just so mad at them i had to see what the fuss was about. Im very glad i did
If you’re saying I’m calling their viewpoints crazy, I’m not. I didn’t get a view point besides I’m pig slop, a piece of shit, brainwashed by the empire (whatever the hell that means), stupid, a basement dweller, and today, I think they called me a pervert
So this post is because you’re angry ya got dunked on? You can’t just post liberal political opinions (that would do well in liberal spaces) and expect them to fly in a commie space…
Wait, i recognize you! Ive argued with you myself! You definitely don’t approach hexbear with a perspective of learning something, and iirc you’re not the most respectful of other opinions haha! You been banned a couple times and still ain’t learned shit about shit. Should i pm you with those threads with explanations of what and where you went wrong? Id be ecstatic to teach you something today
I’ve said it multiple times. If I get talked to respectfully, I talk respectfully. If someone is a smartass, I’m a smartass. OP of the post yesterday was respectful so I had a conversation with him while everyone was telling me how big of pile of shit I am. I know why I got banned. You don’t have to send me anything. And I guess I’m up to 3 communities now because I said the same exact thing this morning. Someone calls me pig shit and I’m supposed to just be like “Hey. I’m here to learn”. No. Sorry. Not how I operate
But I will say our arguments must have went well because you aren’t on my ban list lol. So I’ll keep up with the theme of talking to you respectfully
Edit: And I’m not angry at all. It started out as a legitimate question of if I’m the problem on HB, and then are started reading experiences from other people, but I blocked the instance so neither of us have to worry about it. If you choose not to respond, I hope you have a good weekend
I don’t block people permanently, only for a couple days and then only if they won’t stop barkin. We didn’t have any discussions per se but i have to admit to you it was i who reported one of your comments as “debate pervert”. I stand behind that decision too, in that particular case.
I hope you have a good weekend too. I hope you come back around one day, as a lurker, with curiosity. Even if it seems unlikely in the face of the other things I’ve said, i really mean that.
Those aren’t good responses. The narrative of “poor Putin just had to invade Ukraine, don’t you see?” is bollocks.
Their weird insistence that anyone that doesn’t agree with them is a “lib” that needs “dunking on” is tiring. If you don’t show full-throated support for authoritarian regimes that they happen to like, then you clearly support Israel and genocide. They need to mature a bit, and realize that the world isn’t black and white, and it doesn’t neatly fall into convenient categories that can be nicely labelled.
Except these replies are made to illustrate the viewpoints held by the commenters and not meant to be dunks. Rather obviously imo. Yet OP is claiming he only got called mean words and no one explained to them why they think what they think.
There absolutely were good faith explanations but OP didn’t engage with any of them in kind but chose to keep replying to the dunks instead.
This is my exact same experience. I ask for someone to elaborate on their stance, get told (not accused, told) I’m trolling. Ask for explanation/definition of a concept, get called an idiot shitlib and told to read some theory. Ask for civility, get told I deserve abuse for “endorsing genocide”. (By the way, I absolutely oppose the genocide in Gaza. But I’m a genocide supporter I guess because I won’t flush my vote third party this November.)
Hexbear is a community that expects you to conform. Every time there is a post like this, someone comes out of the woodwork and says “They’re nice people if you talk like them and agree with them on everything.” It’s cool that you’re not getting abused, but abuse is coming from that space, whether or not it is happening to you.
It’s a shame because I would like to hear the nuances of their viewpoints, but I can never get them to tell me what they are. Always complaining that nobody tries to understand, but dogpiling on anyone that asks questions. Then they pull up your report history and tell you “It’s just a little dunking bro, stop being a snowflake” for not putting up with it.
Users of Hexbear, if you’re reading these words, do better. Nobody is going to sympathize with your cause if you antagonize outsiders that want to learn more.
Well put. To be fair, there’s people that disagree with them that would ridicule them too. Everyone just expects people to be shitty. My opinion is we need to change the atmosphere altogether, but I can only control my own actions.
With that being said, I am guilty of a “gotcha” move to test the waters. I didn’t necessarily see it as disrespectful in the moment because the whole post was “Libs bad! Get the torches”.
I want to keep saying though that OP of the post was absolutely respectful, but our discussion just degraded because he kept refusing the sources I presented and it just went to shit after that. I even explained my comment to OP and apologized to them if I offended them with my comment.
But everyone else just proved that they’re garbage people that just want to treat everyone like shit and not try to educate or learn.
And now I guess people who often posts like that on HB are losing their mind because I’m criticizing them in a way lesser way they were criticizing me. I don’t get it lol
I’m a grad user not a hexbear user but views are pretty much the same, I’ll say here: it matters a ton in the thread and way in which you tried to do this. if you give the slightest hint that you’re asking questions in bad faith, they’re going to pounce on you, because communists online constantly have to deal with bad faith trolls. There are an extremely small number of communists in the west, we are outnumbered basically everywhere online and in real life, so we are naturally protective of the very few places where we hold the majority opinion.
I’m not gonna go looking for your interactions with hexbear to actually see but I’ll answer any questions you have right now. also, you haven’t been banned or had any action taken against you by hexbear mods at all. you could always pose respectful questions in one of their general mega threads, or in ask chapo
I’ll read through those threads sometime. I don’t think I’ll be commenting in that instance though. Maybe I’ll look around for a community that clicks better to interact with. I don’t really have questions off the top of my head, sorry. I don’t know what I don’t know.
nah sorry the general megathreads are mostly just people randomly commenting about their day and what not, I just meant you can just go in there and ask for someone willing to talk about some topic. Like, just say “I am a visiting liberal and would like to discuss XYZ that I don’t understand” and if someone responds you can go into detail about what you want to discuss. lemmygrad has a communism 101 comm that has heightened civility rules but your instance is defederated from grad.
Voting for the people doing genocide does make you complicit. Feeling that the genocide is bad is limited to your mind, it is of no use to the dead and dying children. You do actually have to do something about it if you think genocide is something to be opposed.
If this is your idea of hexbears being crazy or wrong, you picked possibly the worst example you could. Though I am sure it resonates with many others who want to feel good about their complicity.
This is such a bad faith comment. Im not a hexbear user but my instance is federated with them and ive interacted with lots of their posts. Go into any post on hexbear and youll see tons of examples of them disagreeing WITH EACHOTHER. they commonly have huge arguments in the comments and as long as everyone is civil and not arguing in bad faith noone gets banned and noone gets urt feelings. Stop lying and using hexbear as the lemmy boogeyman because its a bad look.
Your mistake was posting in the dunk tank. That is literally a “vent” sub where they vent their frustrations against stupid US empire propaganda takes.
It’s the dunk tank.
This is where you come to post big-brained hot takes by chuds, libs, or even fellow leftists, and tear them to itty-bitty pieces with precision dunkstrikes.
If you go there expecting reasonable treatment for your opinions, you misunderstood the assignment. That is a shitpost sub where only one side is right.
How do I know this? Because I went there once and got dunked on too! But that does not represent the entirety of hexbear. I think.
Tbf, they’d probably get the same responses from people who disagree with them. We as internet forum users need to change the environment so everyone can be included. However that would mean we as a whole have to agree what all-inclusive is
I mean… IMO. I’ll be a smartass to people that are a smartass to, but I’d never wish bad vibes or times their way. Bad times suck and I’d never wish that however they talk to me. Hate takes too much mental energy that no one should extend
The one dude I spoke that was decent and respectful asked for proof of the Uygher genocide, gave him proof, the proof wasn’t good enough. Gave him more proof told me it still wasn’t good enough. Figured it wasn’t worth it anymore because he’s denying everything I give him. Told him he has a movable goal post and peace be with him. Blocked the community and just found out today they banned me. There probably are people that willing to have a dialog, but the few are giving all a bad rep
I found the thread and you had several people read your links and go through them in detail. Most of what they’re claiming is traced back to crackpot Adrian Zenz.
As I said, if you go there and say wrong things and then can’t back them up, they’re going to be rude to you. Citing Adrian Zenz is one form of not being able to back up your claims.
Whoopsie! That’s already two. It was easy to find those because they were already pointed out to you (along with several other of your sources) in the thread that you’re complaining about.
Here’s a tip - when you post a source on this subject, press “Ctrl+F” then type “Zenz,” and if anything comes up, don’t post it. Obviously, I can’t expect anyone to actually read their sources before posting them, but is 6 keystrokes really too much to ask?
Most of the claims of genocide originate with him just making shit up. It’s bizarre how many news articles either cite him directly or various groups that he’s headed.
I have a rule that anytime anyone says something happened on the fediverse without providing a link, they are lying or mischaracterizing it literally 100% of the time, and that rule has proven itself yet again.
I think I handled very well. The one person continued to refuse my assignment, so I left before OP, and I was going to get at each other’s throats. I got nothing at all against OP because they were cool. I’m pretty sure I said that 100 times by now. It was everyone else that was the problem.
One user asked you to provide any source material since 2022. As an answer, you provided (seemingly) 3 links, none of which were source material for the claim since 2022.
When this was pointed out, rather than engage with these failures, you just posted 5 links.
A different user replied to you to point out that all of the sourcing in those articles goes back to a particularly absurd fraud named Adrian Zenz. I’ll add that the sourcing is also pre-2022, but the user responding to you wrote several paragraphs critical of Zenz and why you should be skeptical. You did not respond to this person at all despite replying to others later.
The user from before responded by immediately pointing out that your links, yet again, did not include sourcing since 2022. They then went through each link to explained how this was the case.
Your response to this: “I did learn something. You have a movable goal post. On that note, I’m out. Peace be with you”. That’s it. That’s all you wrote.
What I just described is you displaying a series of bad faith behaviors. And then you came over here to complain Lmao.
I think Linux works so good right now, that most of the appeal will come from third party vendors supporting Linux. The few anticheats and big apps like photoshop and sony vegas are used by many and are still a big obstacle which Linux can’t magically fix that easily.
What I’ve also noticed makes it appeal a lot to the people around me, is that when suggesting Linux, I also offer them tech support free of charge for whatever problem they have.
Automation, integration and premade scripts and GUI tools for the use of tools such as wine and other pain point relief software
Idiot proofing
Decrease choice fatigue by decreasing the number of choices visible by default as much as possible (Ubuntu is an okay example/starting point in my opinion)
Make a one-stop-shop wiki or equivalent with the specific purpose of giving explanations to non Linux-savvy people
I think that the proliferation of software/app centers is a great development when it comes to package management. Guides should mention them as an option to install whatever packages are needed, as a lot of people are clearly afraid of terminals.
Which leads to the “more GUI tools” point, which I’m sure everyone knows by now.
Also, you know how Windows update is so aggressive with getting you to update? That’s for a reason.
I got 3 netbooks for libreoffice and vlc usage, 2 on intel atom and one on amd brazos, flashed opensuse tumbleweed, yeah its not fast even though I upgraded it to 8gb ddr3 ram 360gb ssd and wifi 6e ax210 card, but it’s good portable 10 inch machine for 20$ each and 40$ for upgrades for each
But being caught in a lie would destroy your clout instantly. If they’re competing for clout there would be a big incentive to prove the competition wrong.
There is something to that, in that money gained will be kept (unless lawsuits can claw it away for fraud), but with both scenarios the ethically lacking individual would still have enjoyed the time until they were caught and future money/clout would both be hampered.
As for competition, that sounds the same to me. There is already competition for positions and grants, etc.
I mean, science doesn’t pay for itself. You need libraries, you need universities, you need equipment. Only a mathematician can get by with a $5 black board and stack of chalk, and even then not very well.
Tl;dr: imagine the success and continuity of not only your career but the careers of your employees had a significant element of random chance involved. Welcome to research.
Now former scientist here. I see the typical “people would do this anyways” comments but I’d wager they don’t understand what it’s like to work in science and academia. It’s publish or perish. In the United States, it’s an absolute capitalist meat grinder and it can be brutal.
As a lead researcher, you are dependent on securing grant money not only to keep your job, but to keep the jobs of your co-workers and the very lab itself afloat.
How do you secure grants? By showing you have the experience and ability to complete the research.
How do you show you have the required experience and ability? By your lab’s record of publishing the results of successful research.
What is successful research? In an ideal world, it would be what was found at the end of an investigation, regardless of if it disproves the null hypothesis or not. In reality, it’s the results of research that have further application, either in industry or that disprove the null hypothesis and act as a step to get you further related grants.
What happens when an investigation flounders? So you didn’t disprove the null hypothesis. In an ideal world, you publish a paper explaining what happened and everyone knows what not to do in the future. In reality, it’s basically unpublishable as journals want what will make them money. Your lab now has the research equivalent of a gap in your resume. You continue with other research and hope it is publishable. If your lab has a streak of bad luck and multiple projects crap out, now it’s harder to secure grants. The downward spiral begins.
Is what this researcher did wrong? Absolutely, but I get it. I 100% get it.
We need serious reform that removes the profit motive. A functional research system would better catch fabricated results before they’re published. It would alleviate the pressures that drive good people to do bad things in the pursuit of doing further good. It would actually enhance scientific discovery as ALL results would be published and without parasitic publishers as unnecessary middlemen.
From the outside it’s not obvious how many variables influence scientific research that have absolutely nothing to do with science or the pursuit of knowledge and truth.
Being scientifically literate is insufficient. We must also be highly sceptical and apply critical thinking to the work of other scientists, particularly when large sums of money are involved and the inevitable conflicts of interest that entails.
People with money are able to fund research but they will never be scientists because they are only interested in what is true to the extent it will make money.
For local models, the app SpeechNote seems to be your best bet, but I’ve had trouble with getting it to work system wide, I have to copy the text from the app to other places. Idk about online models.
While I don’t see the necessity in wearing a ring in the first place - yet I am a sucker for rings - what always gets me is having a fancy overpriced engagement ring that you’re supposed to wear for a short period of time and then a simple wedding ring that you’re supposed to wear forever.
You can blame the debeers company for the engagement ring. Just like you can blame Kellogg’s for the slogan “breakfast is the most important meal of the day”.
I don’t think we do, but that’s a feature, not a bug. Here’s why:
There was a great post a few days ago about how Linux is a digital 3rd Space. It’s about spending time cultivating the system and building a relationship with it, instead of expecting it to be transparent while you use it. This creates a positive relationship with your computer and OS, seeing it as more a labor of love than an impediment to being as productive as possible (the capitalist mindset).
Nothing “just works.” That’s a marketing phrase. Windows and Mac only “just work” if the most you ever do is web-browsing and note-taking in notepad. Anything else and you incite cognitive dissonance: hold onto the delusion at the price of doing what you’re trying to do, or accept that these systems aren’t as good as their marketing? The same thread I mentioned earlier talked about how we give Linux more lenience because of the relationship we have with it, instead of seeing it as just a tool for productivity.
Having a barrier of entry keeps general purpose communities like this from being flooded with off-topic discourse that achieves nothing. And no, I’m not just talking about the Yahoo Answers-level questions like “how to change volume Linux???” Think stuff like “What’s the most stargender-friendly Linux distro?” and “How do we make Linux profitable?” and “what Linux distro would Daddy Trump use?” and “where my other Linux simping /pol/trds at (socialist Stallman***rs BTFO)???” Even if there is absolutely perfect moderation and you never see these posts directly, these people would still be coming in and finding ways that skirt the rules to inject this discourse into these communities; and instead of being dismissed as trolls, there would be many, many people who think we should hear them out (or at least defend their right to Free Speech).
Finally, it already “just works” for the aforementioned note-taking and web-browsing. The only thing that’s stopping more not so tech-savvy people is that it’s not the de facto pre-installed OS on the PC you pick up from Best Buy (and not Walmart, because you want people to think you’re tech-savvy, so you go to the place with a dedicated “geek squad”). The only way it starts combating Windows in this domain is by marketing agreements with mainstream hardware manufacturers (like Dell and HP); this means that the organization responsible for representing Linux would need the money to make such agreements… Which would mean turning it into a for-profit OS. Which would necessitate closing the source. Which would mean it just becomes another proprietary OS that stands for all that Linux is against.
And this ladies and gentlemen is what is wrong with Linux and its communities.
Technological gatekeeping is THE major problem in the Linux world. You use Linux to use Linux. You intentionally do not want people that you consider “below” you to use Linux or even be present in your communities.
Most people use computers to get something done. Be it development, gaming, consuming multimedia, or just “web browsing” (which you intentionally use to degrade people “just” doing that). They do not use computers to use computers. They don’t need to and should need to. If you want to do this, good for you.
But stop trying to gatekeep people out of it. That’s just an a****** behaviour.
You intentionally do not want people that you consider “below” you to use Linux or even be present in your communities.
No, but I do want my communities to stay on-topic and not be derailed by Discourse™
Who I consider beneath me is wholly unrelated to their ability to use a computer, and entirely related to their ability to engage with others in a mature fashion, especially those they disagree with.
Most people use computers to get something done. Be it development, gaming, consuming multimedia, or just “web browsing”
I realize most people use computers for more than web-browsing, but ask anybody who games, uses multimedia software, or develops how often they have issues with their workflow.
(which you intentionally use to degrade people “just” doing that)
No I don’t. Can you quote where I did so, or is it just a vibe you got when reading in the pretentious dickwad tone you seem to be projecting onto me?
But stop trying to gatekeep people out of it
I’m not, you’re projecting that onto me again. If you want to use Linux, use Linux. Come here and talk about how you use Linux, or ask whatever questions about Linux you want. If you don’t want to use Linux, or don’t want to to talk about Linux, take it to the appropriate community.
If keeping communities on-topic and troll-free is “gatekeeping,” then I don’t give a fuck how you feel about it.
In a lot of educational institutions over the world, they truly on eduroam for their bidding. While it’s not perfect, it does offer a python script by which proper connection to the network is established. I guess it’s unfortunate to know that it’s not eduroam then, as I wouldn’t know what the solution would be.
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