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TraitorToAmerica ,

fund communist parties in the global south

TraitorToAmerica , (edited )

the original origin of the term was a group british communists attacking anyone who supported the Soviet Union’s crushing of the hungarian uprising in 1956. it then morphed into a term used to attack anyone who supports the use of force and authority in general to suppress counter revolutionaries. it’s final degeneration is that it is now used to attack anyone to the left of an american democrat like facebones said.

redsails.org/tankies/

here is a good article about it. To be clear: this is written from the perspective of a marxist leninist, who are normally the number one target of being called a “tankie”. Still, it is very short, and redsails is a really cool website that has the footnotes with citations pop up as you read long

TraitorToAmerica ,

do you have an argument that doesn’t rely on ableism?

TraitorToAmerica ,

They really don’t like get called out like that, based on my interactions with them.

yes why would people get upset that you’re being condescending and calling them either brainwashed or a child? one of the biggest remaining mysteries in the world really

TraitorToAmerica ,

i don’t think they really helped with the financing of lemmy, although their coders did/do make many valuable contributions to lemmy’s code base. out of curiosity, do you have an account on another instance? I’m surprised to see a sympathetic comment like this from an account on an instance that has them defederated

TraitorToAmerica ,

it’s not really making fun of it, more just a tongue in cheek joke about large arguments

TraitorToAmerica ,

evidence? I see people say this but from what I remember the mod team was repeatedly stonewalled by the admins, or at least that was their claims, and I don’t think the admins ever disputed that

TraitorToAmerica ,

I’m curious about this, do you hold the same opinion about lemmygrad?

TraitorToAmerica ,

Unlike a lot of liberals coming from reddit, communists often don’t have delusions about the neutrality of moderation and so they’ll ban you on a whim if they think you’re there to stir shit.

really well articulated. I feel bad for well meaning people, but so often they don’t realize it comes across as the exact same kind of bad faith trolling that communist online groups have to constantly deal with and so mods and users have little patience for it if it’s not explicitly a thread for that kind of conversation.

TraitorToAmerica ,

got it. for anyone else reading this: why exactly is jumping straight to mental illness as the source of any disagreement not ableist? Does someone who struggles with mental health get no say on literally any topic?

TraitorToAmerica ,

I’m a grad user not a hexbear user but views are pretty much the same, I’ll say here: it matters a ton in the thread and way in which you tried to do this. if you give the slightest hint that you’re asking questions in bad faith, they’re going to pounce on you, because communists online constantly have to deal with bad faith trolls. There are an extremely small number of communists in the west, we are outnumbered basically everywhere online and in real life, so we are naturally protective of the very few places where we hold the majority opinion.

I’m not gonna go looking for your interactions with hexbear to actually see but I’ll answer any questions you have right now. also, you haven’t been banned or had any action taken against you by hexbear mods at all. you could always pose respectful questions in one of their general mega threads, or in ask chapo

TraitorToAmerica ,

lemmy.ca has both hexbear and lemmygrad defederated yes.

TraitorToAmerica ,

is tankist a translation of the french word for tankie or something? i’ve never seen anyone use “tankist” before

TraitorToAmerica , (edited )

The thing is, delinking socialism from Stalin also means delinking it from the Soviet Union, disavowing everything that’s been done under the name of socialism as “Stalinist.” The “socialism” that results from this procedure is defined as grassroots, bottom-up, democratic, non-bureaucratic, nonviolent, non-hierarchical… in other words, perfect. So whenever real revolutionaries (say, for example, the Naxals in India) do things imperfectly they are cast out of “socialism” and labeled “Stalinists.” This is clearly an example of respectability politics run amok. Tankies believe that this failure of solidarity, along with the utopian ideas that the revolution can win without any kind of serious conflict or without party discipline, are more significant problems for the left than is “authoritarianism” (see Engels for more on this last point). [5] We believe that understanding the problems faced by Stalin and Mao helps us understand problems generic to socialism, that any successful socialism will have to face sooner or later. This is much more instructive and useful than just painting nicer and nicer pictures of socialism while the world gets worse and worse.

this is directly preceding it. Even if I accepted your frankly hilarious black book of communism death tolls, the argument here is that the soviet union and China still greatly improved the lives of the average citizen compared to what came before while facing huge problems that you would crumble upon immediately upon encountering, like imminent war from the west that they predicted and prepared for correctly. As far as your other claim, it’s not nearly so simple as you make it out to be:

washingtonpost.com/…/why-do-so-many-people-miss-t… reuters.com/…/us-ebrd-transition-survey-idUSKBN14…

edit: also, nia frome is a trans woman

TraitorToAmerica ,

thanks for satisfying my curiosity anyways 👍

TraitorToAmerica ,

riveting comment. truly, I’ve never read this type of comment before and now I’ve been owned!!!

I will now give the obligatory response: amerikkka is a dying empire and will not be able to stop China and socialism. die mad about it loser.

TraitorToAmerica ,

glad it managed to reach someone! If you want the best nuanced review of Stalin from anyone anywhere, you will have to read Stalin: History and Critique of a Black Legend by Domenico Losurdo (free pdf here!). It is well sourced, and also uses western sources that should be biased against stalin to make its arguments! review on the same site as the tankies article here: redsails.org/on-losurdos-stalin/

additionally, some other articles I highly recommend if you want to understand our position better:

redsails.org/why-marxism/
redsails.org/the-case-for-socialized-ownership/
redsails.org/concessions/
redsails.org/what-is-dialectics/
redsails.org/communist-self-confidence/

most of these are quite a bit longer, so sorry to flood you with them, but I’m always eager to share these excellent articles with anyone who will consider reading them!

TraitorToAmerica ,

I had assumed you were a bog standard democrat but I apologize, didn’t realize I was speaking to someone who likes to watch “FEMINIST OWNED AND TRIGGERED!!!” youtube compilations

TraitorToAmerica ,

don’t pretend like you care about that, your fellow chuds might find this comment on accident and you wouldn’t want to make them mad would you?

TraitorToAmerica ,

nah sorry the general megathreads are mostly just people randomly commenting about their day and what not, I just meant you can just go in there and ask for someone willing to talk about some topic. Like, just say “I am a visiting liberal and would like to discuss XYZ that I don’t understand” and if someone responds you can go into detail about what you want to discuss. lemmygrad has a communism 101 comm that has heightened civility rules but your instance is defederated from grad.

TraitorToAmerica ,

I’m well past caring

you are crying about upvotes and downvotes you can’t say this when you’re doing that

Putin fucks male prostitutes.

in awe at this one, why would I care about this

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