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FluffyPotato , to technology in UK firm develops jet fuel made from human poo | The starting material is generated in excess and available in plenty. It is a win-win for everyone that the waste is repurposed.

They way you have environmentally friendly planes is by replacing them with trains. I doubt burning shit just to fly will be good for the environment.

JackGreenEarth ,

Trains aren’t the solution to every problem. They are slower than planes, don’t work on water, and need infrastructure (tracks). They are great where they do work, but where electric planes work, there’s no need to put them down.

FluffyPotato ,

They seem to be since electric planes don’t really exist for passanger flight and are unlikely to exist in a future near enough to be meaningful. For water we got boats so that’s the one place where trains aren’t the solution.

Tracks are a lot cheaper than airports as far as infrastructure is concerned while also going to more places and the speed of travel is a worthwhile sacrifice to stop pollution from planes. Plus sleeper trains are so comfy compared to the hell that is the cramped airplane seat with less leg room than you need to actually fit your legs there.

exocrinous ,

Let’s replace all intercontinental flights with high speed rail and sleeper trains, and only use planes for long haul flights over water. For those planes that do stay in the sky, let’s fuel them with renewables. Poo based jet fuel does not add carbon to the environment.

arandomthought , to technology in UK firm develops jet fuel made from human poo | The starting material is generated in excess and available in plenty. It is a win-win for everyone that the waste is repurposed.

Is this another one of these “eco-fuels” that take about ten times the energy they store just to produce them, and no one will tell you where that energy will come from?

1rre ,

I mean if you can get it from actually good sources (solar, geothermal) where that type of energy is in excess then use ships powered by it to transfer it around the world is that a huge problem?

4am ,

No, see if it’s not the perfect solution to literally everything then it’s just not gonna work. /s

Sasha ,

It might be, if it’s more efficient to use that energy for some other option.

TheFriar ,

I mean, if we can’t build more high speed rail, planes will be used. And they’re the largest contributor in transportation, right? Or at least the highest output/least efficient means of travel. Eliminating a huge contributor is a good thing.

Of course there would be other things that are worth curbing, but I don’t think we should shit on (eh?) killing emissions from a large contributor.

Meowoem ,

The energy comes from excess generation in renewables for load balancing, that base load thing people mistakenly say they can’t do.

It’s clever and simple, you put a whole load of potential generation in knowing that to meet your essential and desired demand on low generation days you’ll need excess capacity which will over produce on high generation days. You then plug that in to a system which has tanks of feedstock in this case poo and empty storage capacity so that in peek generation periods it can run at maximum, when it’s only a little over the requested load it runs at limited power and if there’s a time with no excess power it turns off for a bit.

That’s why all the carbon capture and processing facilities are focusing on modular parallel design, it’s very easy then to create scalable production tied to excess load.

Of course this is only one of the many possibilities, the nuclear lovers want to build nuclear powered sequestration and processing facilities, Iceland made one using geothermal, the American one is wind and the proposed Saudi one trailer about being solar thermal.

Oh and actually the efficiency is incredibly impressive now, with some of the active catalyst chemistry they’re developing we’re getting into heat pump style efficiency gains and it’ll looking more likely we’ll be able to go below parity in cost per gallon Vs mined hydrocarbons.

I know it feels like people never explain the complex side of things but that’s because journalists are bad at their jobs, there’s whole organisations out there dedicated to this sort of planning and a lot of the stuff they talk about and work towards ia incredibly well thought out and sensible.

robotopera , to technology in UK firm develops jet fuel made from human poo | The starting material is generated in excess and available in plenty. It is a win-win for everyone that the waste is repurposed.

Do you smell that Randy? It’s chemtrails and they’re brewing up a shit storm right over our heads.

improbablypoopingrn ,

RANDY

commanderbalok , (edited ) to technology in Scientists unveil methane munching monster, 100 million times faster than nature

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  • Luvs2Spuj ,

    Can it be monetised more than destroying the environment though?

    HubertManne , to technology in Scientists unveil methane munching monster, 100 million times faster than nature

    It converts it to co2 and its a structure like carbon capture stuff. Im not big on carbon capture but if you running this thing anyway it might make sense to run the output into some carbon capture scheme as it should reduce both the production and running energy since it can use some of what this is already doing as far as pulling in and exhausting the air. might be good for the exhaust to go down an old well or something to.

    Railcar8095 ,

    Not sure if there is much chance for effective carbon capture. The article states that this works for getting rid of very low concentrations of methane (so burning is not possible). That means that even with the methane 100% turned into carbon, we are talking about very small concentrations.

    HubertManne ,

    well there would be the native co2 in the air its taking in too. My point is if it was worth it enough to do on its own its already done most of the heavy lifting so I bet if a carbon capture technique was worth it, it would be riding the output of this.

    Jazsta , to technology in Scientists unveil methane munching monster, 100 million times faster than nature

    Really exciting development for the climate change mitigation toolkit. Let’s hope it’s not too challenging or costly to scale up and deploy.

    BestBouclettes ,

    I still feel that these will be used in place of structural changes and we’ll just end up polluting more.

    porotoman99 ,

    Does that really matter if there are proper systems to deal with the pollution?

    Daxtron2 ,

    Yeah because it’s not fixing the problem, really it’s just passing it off to a future generation

    sukhmel ,

    Reminds me of this a bit recursive trolley problem

    DumbAceDragon ,
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    miss_brainfart ,
    @miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

    Combatting symptoms is nice and all, but ideally you’d want to remove the reason these symptoms exist in the first place.

    MonkderZweite , to technology in Scientists unveil methane munching monster, 100 million times faster than nature

    Over a 25-year period, though, methane is 85 times worse for the climate than carbon dioxide.

    Doesn’t it get reduced in the athmosphere in about 5 years to mostly CO2?

    Xtallll ,
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    The atmospheric half life of methaine is just under 10 years. So if you release 1k lbs of methaine in 10 years there will be 500 lbs left 10 years after that ther will be 250 ect.

    Mr_Blott ,

    1k lbs

    😡

    Excrubulent ,
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    1k lbs is a perfectly cromulent unit of enbiggenment, colloquially known as “Calebs”.

    Mr_Blott ,

    Give me washing machines or give me death

    barsoap ,

    Indeed that’s 10 hundredweight. Which maybe ironically enough is rather intuitive for me, Germany still uses pounds and hundredweight (Zentner) in informal and sectorial use, meaning 500g and 50kg.

    agent_flounder ,
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    I believe that’s 80 stone

    bronzle ,

    Not a fan of kilopounds, klbs?

    platypus_plumba ,

    It’s a good replacement for the heavy-fridge unit.

    KairuByte ,
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    I mean, it’s more clear than 0.5 tons, since “tons” doesn’t specify US or metric. Not that it would matter in this specific instance.

    sukhmel ,

    But if it doesn’t matter, what’s the problem with tons?

    SimonHoogwerff ,

    America is slowly switching to the metric system: metric pounds, metric feet, you know…

    Rhaedas , (edited )
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    It's complicated. The breakdown of methane in the atmosphere depends on hydroxyl radicals that are created at a regular rate. If you have more and more methane released, and/or you have other chemicals that also react with those radicals, the overall average half life will increase. Both those things are happening, so the old half life really isn't as accurate as it used to be. Guess which number the IPCC still uses for its models though.

    Lophostemon ,

    Goddam Hydroxl Radicals keep sending drones to attack US ships! Iran needs an ass-kicking!

    MonkderZweite , (edited )

    Guess i remembered wrong.

    huginn ,

    Yes but the heat it retains in that time is 85x the effect of base CO2, which makes sense: decomposition of the methane releases energy. It does a much better job of reflecting the IR until it breaks down, then in the act of breaking down releases energy.

    theodewere , to technology in Scientists unveil methane munching monster, 100 million times faster than nature
    @theodewere@kbin.social avatar

    "Today's livestock farms are high-tech facilities where ammonia is already removed from the air. As such, removing methane through existing air purification systems is an obvious solution,"

    sounds like it will be something they can just add to existing systems at big livestock operations, and the removal rate is pretty high

    TheBatz ,

    I feel like this will cause a huge “rebound effect” (not sur if it’s the correct translation)

    platypus_plumba ,

    You could elaborate your point instead of using a word you’re unsure about.

    TheBatz ,

    Sure, reducing the methane emissions of a few farms might lead to an increased consumption of meat. Which would annihilate the positive effect brought by such innovation.

    galoisghost , to technology in Scientists unveil methane munching monster, 100 million times faster than nature
    @galoisghost@aussie.zone avatar

    Now a meme with real world applications. How would livestock wear pants?

    ICastFist ,
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    Probably just a big pad over their asses

    zcd ,

    But only over the rear two legs? Or all four legs?

    PlantJam ,
    bratosch , to technology in Scientists unveil methane munching monster, 100 million times faster than nature

    I’ll take two; one to put in my bed and one for my underwear

    FlaminGoku ,

    Most people don’t have methane in their farts.

    blandfordforever ,

    You seem knowledgeable. How can I increase my methane output?

    KpntAutismus ,

    become a ruminant probably

    FlaminGoku ,

    Biogas generator

    this_1_is_mine ,

    Eat a cow whole… I’ll give you my fork …

    its super effective.

    SimonHoogwerff ,

    What makes farts flammable then?

    FlaminGoku ,

    Methane. Not everyone can light their farts on fire.

    murmelade ,

    Poor bastards

    bratosch , to technology in World’s largest electric cable close to power, could light 1.4 million homes | A high voltage direct current cable will connect UK homes with fresh green energy from the wind farms of Denmark.

    It’s gonna push DC from DK to UK? Seems ineffective?

    Rentlar ,

    Why do you think so? HVDC cables are not unusual nowadays, and in fact excel both in economic and technical terms over long distance.

    electricaldeck.com/…/comparison-between-hvdc-and-…

    This cable length is 765km, but in the Canadian province of Manitoba we have a 900 km transmission line built 50 years ago and still running strong for the most part.

    bratosch ,

    Huh. I’ve just always heard that AC is the better way for long distances. TIL

    shartedchocolate , to technology in World’s largest electric cable close to power, could light 1.4 million homes | A high voltage direct current cable will connect UK homes with fresh green energy from the wind farms of Denmark.

    Fresh green energy, straight from the orchard

    tsonfeir ,
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    It makes me want it more. That really should be the marketing for renewable energy. Everyone likes “fresh”

    … especially republican men.

    originalucifer , to technology in World’s largest electric cable close to power, could light 1.4 million homes | A high voltage direct current cable will connect UK homes with fresh green energy from the wind farms of Denmark.
    @originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

    but will it kill a great white shark that keeps pestering the local kids? i need to know

    cafuneandchill , to technology in Human brain-like supercomputer with 228 trillion links coming in 2024

    The effort of using machines to mimic the human mind has always struck me as rather silly: I’d rather use them to mimic something better.

    Edsger W. Dijkstra, “On the cruelty of really teaching computing science”, 1988

    toothpicks , to technology in Human brain-like supercomputer with 228 trillion links coming in 2024

    Can we stop. Can we like house people instead lol

    explodicle ,

    AI could help with that, if we build a society that will use it for good.

    MayonnaiseArch ,
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    Ai has literally nothing to with that. We can do housing this second if we wanted to do it

    Overzeetop ,

    AI does have little to do with it, but we can’t do housing the way people want housing. The land does not exist in sufficient quantity, in the desired areas, without other strings attached (such as private ownership). And it would still take a decade to build it all because there aren’t enough tradespeople in the places where you want the housing built.

    MayonnaiseArch ,
    @MayonnaiseArch@beehaw.org avatar

    This is complete and utter bullshit. We have enough of everything to start solving housing this second. Workers aren’t a problem, locations aren’t a problem. We lack the political will to do it, read: we don’t want to do it. Having “AI” tell you why you don’t want to do it is just wasteful

    Overzeetop ,

    I won’t argue that AI won’t solve the housing problem. And I agree that we can build a bunch of housing. But it won’t be where people want to live, or it won’t be affordable. I’ve got people in my town screaming for affordable housing. Even with subsidies its hard to get things going when the local municipality is practically bending over backwards. Why? Because it has to be on a bus line. It has to be within walking distance of X services. And all the land that fits those criteria is millions of dollars an acre. Even if you could find them, the contractors can’t find enough qualified, reliable workers at premium rates to service their million dollar home builds. I’m in the industry and I don’t care how much “will power” you have; short of taking land through eminent domain and using it for free, you won’t have anyplace that meets any kind of criteria for livability. Hell, I could go buy 1000 acres just an hour down the road for $1M and put up 10,000 houses that only cost $50k each to build. Thing is, nobody is going to buy them. There is literally no demand, even for cheap housing, that takes an hour drive to get anywhere useful - and if you get closer in, you won’t find land that’s affordable. Heck, by the time I extended infrastructure to them or built it out, it would be 3-4 years before the first resident could move in, and that’s with zero delay on any governmental paperwork.

    davehtaylor ,

    There’s nothing AI could do to help with that. It’s not a technology issue, it’s purely a political will issue. We could house every single homeless person in this country with no problem whatsoever. Right now. Today. But we choose not to.

    cafuneandchill ,

    Maybe AI could solve it – at least, that’s what Scott Alexander has proposed back in 2014. His idea was that of an AGI that would optimize human life (or the universe itself, I guess) for human values instead of profit or other things that drive the whole Moloch problem he thoroughly describes. I imagine housing would also be solved along the way lol

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