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lolcatnip , to technology in New study finds bots and fraud farms responsible for 73% of web traffic

So the same as snail mail and phone calls?

ThePrivacyPolicy ,

I recently switched cell providers to save a pile of money, but the new one doesn’t have call control like the old did. 100% of my calls over the last two weeks were spam calls. I keep telling myself the savings are worth it, but my God it’s annoying.

sennheisenberg , to technology in New study finds bots and fraud farms responsible for 73% of web traffic

“73% of web traffic” does not mean 73% of comments, posts, content, etc.

indepndnt ,

It amazes me when I spin up some random server on a cloud provider and it’s immediately getting tons of traffic from bots searching for insecure ssh servers and default WordPress admin credentials and then like. If that’s the short of stuff they’re counting, I’d believe it. But yeah, it’s not like all the commenters on this post are bots.

Enigma28 ,

Yeah we had a presentation at work from AWS , they said expect all ports and protocols on any aws server you spin up to be scanned in less than 1min of any instance being created

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

But yeah, it’s not like all the commenters on this post are bots.

What percentage would you guess that are bots as commenters?

indepndnt ,

That’s a good question, I doubt I could make a very accurate guess. Just broadly though, based mainly on the lack of an immediately obvious payoff, I’d guess less than 50%.

paddirn , to technology in New study finds bots and fraud farms responsible for 73% of web traffic

More evidence for the Dead Internet Theory

3TH4Li4 ,
@3TH4Li4@feddit.ch avatar

Not yet but soon it will be

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Death by a thousand cuts bot/shill posts.

qooqie ,

I don’t necessarily think it’s a bad thing if people were good, but it can easily be abused as we’ve seen with election manipulation.

Viking_Hippie , to technology in New study finds bots and fraud farms responsible for 73% of web traffic

100% on Twitter, 150% on Facebook. Or maybe the other way around 🤷

shadowspirit ,

Was scrolling through Facebook as I still use it to keep in touch with family. 20 sponsored posts for every one actual post. Facebook is terrible.

OminousOrange ,
@OminousOrange@lemmy.ca avatar

I just went on my annual visit. I’m not sure if it was ublock or what, but it was actually a fairly pleasant experience with no ‘sponsored’ content. Reminded me of the Facebook of old. Accessed through the browser, of course. I don’t want that cancerous app on my phone.

shadowspirit ,

I am on mobile. I’ll try desktop!

OminousOrange ,
@OminousOrange@lemmy.ca avatar

I was on mobile too, just on Firefox with ublock.

shadowspirit ,

I caught that after I replied. Firefox with ublock is now my default android browser. You’re right…going into feed mode to see posts chronologically with ad block is the Facebook of old. Thanks for the tip.

dreamer ,

How are you about to do that on Facebook? I can’t even sign up without it asking for my ID

sanguine_artichoke ,
@sanguine_artichoke@midwest.social avatar

I had an account for about 10 years which I never used at first, then a fair bit for 3-4 years, linked it to Instagram and WhatsApp. Then I didn’t sign into Facebook for 2-3 years and when I tried, despite having the same email and using the linked IG accounts, they demanded my drivers license. Uh, no way in hell I’ll ever do that, so guess I’m not signing into stupid Facebook. Not sure who the hell they think they are or why they believe I’d consider their awful website so important as to send them my ID.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

I didn’t sign into Facebook for 2-3 years and when I tried, despite having the same email and using the linked IG accounts, they demanded my drivers license. Uh, no way in hell I’ll ever do that, so guess I’m not signing into stupid Facebook.

Curious if you give Discord your phone number?

sanguine_artichoke ,
@sanguine_artichoke@midwest.social avatar

I haven’t used discord but I’m sure I’ve supplied plenty of personally identifiable information to other companies.

dreamer ,

I don’t but I am aware that it can be used to identify you, as well as from other people if they give open access to their contacts. They only have my email.

1984 , to technology in New study finds bots and fraud farms responsible for 73% of web traffic
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

The web is like a shitty neighborhood now, with stalkers and unpleasant people coming up to you frequently to sell their shady stuff.

Still works for finding answers to technical questions but if I wasn’t working in tech, I would probably question why im using it in the first place. Is the entertainment value worth the cost?

vaultdweller013 ,

Depends does hentai count as entertainment cayse if so. Yes.

Goldmage263 ,
@Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works avatar

Based. That and comics of culture.

JeffKerman1999 , to technology in New study finds bots and fraud farms responsible for 73% of web traffic

Yeah dead internet. And I hope this news will kill online marketing for good

3TH4Li4 ,
@3TH4Li4@feddit.ch avatar

As long as real users exist on the internet, marketing will follow. If centralized social media will be even more of a shithole than already is, then they will slowly target the decentralized. You won’t escape marketing.

CaptainSpaceman ,

But if 73% of traffic is fake, and they monitor traffic to determine sentiment and marketing strategies, then who are they actually marketing TO?

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Those left over who are still human.

But you do bring up a great point, what happens when the Internet is nothing but bots/shills?

JeffKerman1999 ,

Man they caught Google evil actors using Google’s infra that pumped up view numbers for video impressions and milking advertisers.

They got swindled millions by the 3ve “scandal”.

There’s botfarms clicking ads and following brands.

There’s warehouses full of smartphones that fake download and fake use apps and fake watch video ads…

At this point it’s a money laundering scheme. I refuse to believe that those people responsible are that stupid.

thelastknowngod , to technology in New study finds bots and fraud farms responsible for 73% of web traffic

Wonder what the engineering solution to this could look like…

Thinking something like a zero trust model being required for all web requests… Like the target address would need to receive a validated identity token from some third party but that token couldn’t contain identifying info about the requester. Likewise, the validating third party would need to verify the identity of the requester without having knowledge of the target address.

Then that raises more questions like who would we all be comfortable trusting as a verifier and what data would we use for that validation? The validation system and the data used to validate would need to be provided for free too to account for low income people so no subscription services or hardware MFA keys. Also who counts as an identity to be validated?

What do enforcement mechanisms look like if this does get built? Are the validators entirely passive or do they actively participate in the process? Like do we have rate limits imposed by the validation engine or do we just leave that to the target address/organization to impose themselves? What happens if someone is banned from a site? Does the site notify the validators to drop requests earlier in the lifetime of a request? Do individuals get a lower request quota than corporations? Would you have to form a company just to prototype a new tool/product?

If someone seriously wanted to work on this I’d jump on the opportunity to work with them. It sounds like a fascinating project.

Rodeo ,

It’s called Google’s “Web Integrity API” and it’s a horrifically bad idea.

Nacktmull , to technology in New study finds bots and fraud farms responsible for 73% of web traffic

And I thought porn and cat pictures where responsible for 70% of web traffic… TIL

geogle ,
@geogle@lemmy.world avatar

This is just what the bots are into.

Thetimefarm ,

It’s why AI porn is so popular all of a sudden, all the bots thought human porn was weird.

Alchemy ,
@Alchemy@lemmy.world avatar

70% of my web traffic, anyways.

Synthead , to technology in New study finds bots and fraud farms responsible for 73% of web traffic
auf , to technology in New study finds bots and fraud farms responsible for 73% of web traffic
@auf@lemmy.ml avatar

The fact that this post is by a bot makes it sound so ironic

designatedhacker ,

The headline stat is a misinterpretation of the study which was done by Arkose Labs which “provides businesses with lasting bot prevention and account security by sapping the financial motivations of cybercriminals.”

That’s pretty vague but skimming it sounds like they prevent automated account creation and takeover. The stat comes from the companies they have access to (who need bot protection enough to pay for it), and 76% of activity on the login/account creation was malicious. That makes a lot more sense. All the various hacks and credential leaks result in bots banging in stolen credentials on high value sites.

jdeath ,

Arkose does log-in protection for Roblox (and others but that’s the one I’m familiar with) where the user has to do something like rotate a picture before logging in.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

The headline stat is a misinterpretation of the study

and 76% of activity on the login/account creation was malicious.

Are you assuming though that that’s 76%, once they’ve created an account, would do no fuether interaction with the Internet after that?

I’m not sure of the point that you’re trying to make?

Syrc ,

Well, I mean, if a bot protection company found malicious activity in account creation, I’m assuming they stopped the account from completing it…?

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

I’m assuming they stopped the account from completing it…?

They could have let it continue to monitor it, in a honey-pot sort of way, to learn more about the bot, and it’s network.

But I was asking towards intent, not success. Why would people have bots create accounts and then do absolutely nothing with those accounts afterwards?

Syrc ,

I mean, that commenter said the headline was a misinterpretation because it’s not 73% of web traffic, but only account creation attempts.

If the attempts are stopped, and the bot fails in creating an account, it isn’t able to post/comment/do whatever it needed to do, and isn’t contributing to “web traffic” as much as the other 27% of real people (or, well, uncaught bots).

designatedhacker ,

You think these bots are streaming movies and music? 73% of Internet traffic is not bots. It’s all YouTube, Netflix, Insta, TikTok, Spotify, etc media consumption. 73% of login traffic may be bots, but it’s a teeny drop of global traffic.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

73% of login traffic may be bots, but it’s a teeny drop of global traffic.

So you are assuming they’re just logging in and not doing anything else, yes?

That there are no bots that (for example) watch YouTube videos and then gives them a like up or down, depending how they’ve been paid to do so, etc?

arandomthought , to technology in New study finds bots and fraud farms responsible for 73% of web traffic

Holy shit, thinking of all the resources that are just wasted for this shit… Imagine you could just slash all web infrastructures by two thirds.

JDubbleu ,

I really hate the phrase “bots” because it gives the appearance that they’re all useless and malicious. I guarantee you they lumped in the following extremely valid uses of “bots”:

  • Automated personal scripts that many programmers use, these are technically bots. Hell, I use a “bot” to auto-clip digital Safeway coupons
  • Moderation bots on sites like Lemmy/Reddit
  • Archive efforts

Are AI chatbots bots? If they use a loose enough definition all this means is humans utilize fuck tons of automation over the Internet, both programmers and not.

Riccosuave ,
@Riccosuave@lemmy.world avatar

I use a “bot” to auto-clip digital Safeway coupons

How?

Decoy321 ,

They go, “hey bot, would you please clip me some Safeway coupons?”

Then the bot goes and gets their little bot scissors and their bot newspaper, then clips up some coupons and hands them to OP.

It’s a pretty endearing sight.

Tattorack ,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

“Father, what is my purpose?”

“You clip coupons.”

“… Oh my god…”

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Then the bot goes and gets their little bot scissors

But digitally.

and their bot newspaper,

But digitally.

then clips up some coupons

But digitally.

and hands them to OP.

But digitally.

They said we’d all be living in a VR world by now back in the 90s!

Viking_Hippie ,

I had some good times with your mom last night. But digitally.

JDubbleu ,

TamperMonkey (I’ve been told to use ViolentMonkey instead as TamperMonkey isn’t open source) and the script here. Then you can run a script to periodically log into your account in a headless browser and click the button. Unfortunately there’s no coupon API so this is the best solution I could think of.

Riccosuave ,
@Riccosuave@lemmy.world avatar

Thank you for giving the first real answer. As funny as the others were, I was in fact looking for a legitimate understanding of how to do this 🙃

Eheran ,

Why do you think that such bots cause a relevant amount of traffic?

JDubbleu ,

Because they’re used absolutely everywhere, and often back large portions of Internet infrastructure. I’m a backend developer and we have thousands of “bots” running at any given time to keep our systems going. They generate traffic equivalent to thousands of people and are maintained by a 3 person dev team. This is for a relatively small company. When I was at AWS the scale was much more unfathomable.

Touching_Grass ,

Tech journalism is fucking garbage. Its always trying to tell me what to think rather than present legit unbiased information. It seems to get worse every year as if these journalist have a hate on for the tech they write about

jaybone ,

I use a bot to convert source code into executable binaries.

arandomthought ,

That’s a very good point, thanks!

fmstrat ,

Not really, as with many others the headline is sensationalist. It’s missing the “… on login page attempts for sites that pay for and or use bot protection services.”

arandomthought ,

That’s very good to know and makes the situation a lot less bleak. Thank you for the additional context!

fmstrat ,

NP, this article was also posted by a bot, so… You know.

tpd6 , to technology in New study finds bots and fraud farms responsible for 73% of web traffic

Giving india access to to the internet was a mistake

leekleak ,
@leekleak@lemmy.world avatar

Oh no! Poor people!

WhiteOakBayou ,

None of the Indians I’ve met are bots

tpd6 ,

They are the ones who make bots that flood the internet. But yes most of them act like bots too.

Vlyn ,

Most bot generated content is from things like ChatGPT, so are you going to be mad at people in San Francisco now?

tpd6 ,

I’m talking about times before the ai meme was taken on by the masses

Tattorack ,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

Hmm… If it wasn’t for Starfleet Headquarters being there I’d say yes.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Just one year until the Bell Riots.

ZeroCool ,

Bravely said on a throwaway. 🙄

tpd6 ,

Good morning sir

3TH4Li4 ,
@3TH4Li4@feddit.ch avatar

Jokes on you majority of internet users are not from India, but from English speaking countries. Any other language takes a smaller percentage.

LostAndSmelly , to technology in Arizona's solar-over-canal project will tackle its major drought issue

This idea is so poorly conceived. Imagine installing and maintaining something like this. How are those panels supposed to stay clean?The panels and the cover should both be built but they should not be the same thing. No current panels are engineered for this application so they would have to be custom made. Just getting the project to the point where the first panel could be installed would cost millions. We could get started now installing commercially available shade covers and ground mounted solar. Ground mounted solar is simple to clean, simple to maintain, and simple to replace.

I agree the idea looks like a great way to reclaim the space, reduce evaporation, and generate power I just think the money would be better spent on a plan the optimized for expenses and longevity instead of optimizing for novelty.

Chocrates ,

I guess I missed it but how are these panels any different than typical ground based PV panels? Looks like, based on the rendering, they they are on some kind of rigid scaffolding over the canal. Not sure how that is different from typical installs?

For sure cleaning them is a problem, don’t have an answer to that. Hope that that is accounted for in the proposal.

badbytes , to technology in Arizona's solar-over-canal project will tackle its major drought issue

Or we could put effort towards limitations of fossil fuels and fix it long term. Maybe both, but if we don’t do former, only duct tape.

Cethin ,

Luckily this does both, to some extent. It’s not as far as we need, but solar offsets dirty energy usage.

PersnickityPenguin ,

Doesn’t Arizona get most of its energy from the giant nuclear power plant near Phoenix?

Cethin ,

Well they’re part of a larger grid. Any clean energy on the grid will be cheaper than dirty, so will be sold to offset dirty even if Arizona was 100% clean.

Perkele , (edited )

My guess is that producing solar panels uses tons of fossil fuels. And they’re pretty much used up after 10-20 years and needs to be replaced and the old ones ends up in a landfill.

Fur_Fox_Sheikh ,

It takes energy to produce them, sure, but it’s way less than even just the production needs for coal or natural gas. Not to mention that’s a one time carbon cost (per lifespan which is close to 30 years these days) vs ongoing emissions. And additionally, as the energy mix where the panels are produced cleans up, the carbon footprint of the panels go down as well! Is it the perfect solution? No, but there is no silver bullet to get off fossil fuels. Solar is just one part of that transition and it is exciting to see more groups exploring the solar/shade synergy (there’s some cool shaded farming solar experiments going on that also make use of the solar panel’s shadow for additional benefits!)

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t understand how it “offsets”. If someone pisses in the pool and I do it behind a tree, that somehow gets rid of piss molecules in the pool?

Cethin ,

You only need a certain amount of power. (In fact, you can’t generate more power than is needed, or you cause massive issues.) If this adds extra energy generation but doesn’t add demand, generation somewhere else will be taken offline. This will be whatever is cheapest, and green energy is nearly free after construction, so it’ll be dirty energy that isn’t running anymore.

squirrelwithnut , to technology in Arizona's solar-over-canal project will tackle its major drought issue

Arizona and the entire South West don’t have a drought problem. They have an aridification problem. While this canal project is a good move in general and we should have been doing it years ago, there is no solving the over-population of a desert. One look at Colorado River basin and its reservoirs is enough to know there is nothing we can do to fix it.

Sludgehammer ,
@Sludgehammer@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah… but sometimes you’ve gotta accept that a band-aid is all you can do. While this doesn’t fix the underlying problems, if it works it’ll provide more water and low carbon energy, which is better than nothing.

DreadPotato ,
@DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz avatar

if it works it’ll provide more water

Unfortunately they will just use even more then, so the “shortage” will be maintained.

ours ,

The “one more lane” of water supply.

BeautifulMind ,
@BeautifulMind@lemmy.world avatar

With any luck pretty soon they’ll look at alfalfa farming in the desert too

ieightpi ,

Why the fuck are humans so stupid that we decided to grow one of the thirstiest crops in the fucking desert.

pdxfed ,

Because entrenched, and exceptionally wealthy interests. Reading about how about in CA there are tons of Colorado River fed foreign owned farms growing alfalfa to export to the middle east is the definition of capitalist success…the profit of a commodity has been made the most efficient; acquired cheaply for something otherwise impossible with international arbitrage as the medium.

Every time someone asks people in the southwest to take shorter showers show them this: www.foodandwaterwatch.org/…/california-water/

ieightpi ,

We should probably update the dictionary so the word ‘greed’ is synonymous to dumb, stupid, ect. Cuz it sure seems that greedy people just have a super low IQ.

PersnickityPenguin ,

They already do.

Also, all those new Intel wafer plants near Phoenix.

Poach ,

And Samsung and TSMC and others

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