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TBi , to technology in BMW Adaptive Suspension Can Be Added via Subscription. Suspension As A Service (SAAS)

I’m never buying a BMW again. I had an electric i3 which had an inverter (charger) failure. BMW wanted €12k to fix it. Thankfully an independent offered to do it for 4K. But BMW still wanted 3K just to plug it in and authenticate the new block. Nothing else, just “bless” it. Made the fix cost-prohibitive so we just had to scrap the car. The battery, which most people fear, was fine on this 8 year old car.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod , (edited )
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

Luxury car dealers do that all the time. The Volvo dealership quoted me $2800 to get my car to pass inspection, about $1500 of which was just tires.

I got a set of tires from Costco for like $800, and then an independent mechanic said everything else was fine and charged me $100 for inspection and emissions.

TBi ,

I know, but in the past the independent dealers didn’t have to deal directly with BMW for fixes. Now with all the authentication needed you can’t just get a replacement part from anywhere any more. Similar to how Apple locked down its batteries, BMW is doing the same.

bitjunkie ,

They can lock down their revenue potential, fine by me

Incel_Inside ,

I see many more Teslas on the streets than BMWs in my country and in my city.

And I live in Europe.

Fuck you BMW, who the fuck are you and where you go:)))

barsquid ,

Even 4k sounds utterly insane for an inverter, but maybe I am wrong on that. Insane. Yeah I won’t be buying a BMW ever.

TBi ,

Inverter + install + testing. It’s deep in the car so a lot has to come out (I was told).

minorkeys , to technology in BMW Adaptive Suspension Can Be Added via Subscription. Suspension As A Service (SAAS)

Man, never thought I’d see the day that after market car crackz become an industry.

MonkeMischief ,

Wouldn’t mind those sweet tunes coming back though.

We’ve come full circle to downloading and running things with titles like:

“BMWaReZ_UnSUSSer+HeetSeeter-v4.20.69.appimage”

Gsus4 ,
@Gsus4@mander.xyz avatar

And can a car your rooted pass periodic inspection?

thermal_shock ,

keep original backup, restore, restore new backup afterwards.

Gsus4 ,
@Gsus4@mander.xyz avatar

😎

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Hire a third party to do your tune-ups, specificly one that is jailbreak and hack friendly.

captain_oni ,

Soon, coming to a piracy site near you: [RZR] BMW i3 crack - Full (Heated seats + suspension + AC unlock + headlight fixes)1.05b.rar

Incel_Inside ,

:))))) Amen!

thermal_shock ,

carwarez, websites that look like they came from the matrix with magnet links and mega links.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In , to technology in BMW Adaptive Suspension Can Be Added via Subscription. Suspension As A Service (SAAS)

Automatic headlight dimming, only €82 per year.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In ,
Emerald , to technology in BMW Adaptive Suspension Can Be Added via Subscription. Suspension As A Service (SAAS)

“The pressure eased off a little when they ended subscriptions tied to heated seats, but the Internet rage machine has come back for vengeance.”

lol. It’s not vengeance or rage, its simply the fact that making someone pay for something they already own is dumb.

SendMePhotos ,
Mwa , to technology in BMW Adaptive Suspension Can Be Added via Subscription. Suspension As A Service (SAAS)
@Mwa@thelemmy.club avatar

Bmw slowly becoming a really bad car

Emerald ,

Bad Motor Vehicle

Mwa ,
@Mwa@thelemmy.club avatar

real

Incel_Inside ,

Slowly?

Someonelol , to technology in BMW Adaptive Suspension Can Be Added via Subscription. Suspension As A Service (SAAS)
@Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

This is why I don’t mourn Western car companies getting slaughtered by Chinese EVs. They can’t really provide value by nickel and diming customers with subscriptions for components already installed on their privacy-invading overpriced cars.

Gsus4 ,
@Gsus4@mander.xyz avatar

One of the reasons electric cars were able to outcompete ICE-specialized companies is because they undercut on all sorts of nice to haves like buttons and pieces that they forgo by using a screen, wifi, updates, beta testing.

But they don’t pass on those cost savings to you. They are even sold as luxury products. They even take the carbon credits. That’s bullshit if you are serious about mainstream adoption.

Miaou ,

ICEs are doing all of that shit now too. The truth is ICEs are fucking overpriced and manufacturers didn’t want to lose money.

Cheesus ,

You do realize all car companies do scummy things? BYD along with others uses parts serialization so you can’t install any parts unless BYD installs it for you an updates the software to take the new serial number.

Someonelol ,
@Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I didn’t realize they were like Apple. Is there a source you have I could check out?

yogurt ,

I think you’re thinking of Xiaomi, Louis Rossman did a video assuming they were doing Apple-style serialization but all it was doing was blocking installation of self-driving if the headlights weren’t standard. It wasn’t DRMing brake pads or preventing buying headlights from a junkyard, there was a functional reason.

Wildfathom9 , to technology in BMW Adaptive Suspension Can Be Added via Subscription. Suspension As A Service (SAAS)

When you need fitgirl to help you with your car.

sunzu2 ,

Fuxking legend

nobleshift ,
@nobleshift@lemmy.world avatar

Or an Empress. Just stay off the Telegram channel FFS.

Wildfathom9 ,

Idk, it’s almost entertaining watching her lose her mind.

nobleshift ,
@nobleshift@lemmy.world avatar

If I want drama I’ll get a Husky… Otherwise I’ll pass.

Wildfathom9 ,

Sure, but a husky will tear up your couch.

Gsus4 , to technology in BMW Adaptive Suspension Can Be Added via Subscription. Suspension As A Service (SAAS)
@Gsus4@mander.xyz avatar

Got it, don’t buy cars built after 2010.

TheMightyCanuck ,
@TheMightyCanuck@sh.itjust.works avatar

Probably safe up to 2016 as long as it’s not luxury brand

SreudianFlip ,

One of our cars is a 2016 GM and I just unscrewed the cell antenna instead of ripping out the cell module. Tracking disabled, or at least unreliable. The subscription nav is useless and easy to ignore. I would like to figure out how to prevent the siriusxm ads built into the infotainment system, still.

I look forward to better infotainment hacks down the road.

Evrala , (edited )

Import something old and fun! Cars from smaller countries have lower mileage and can be cheap because they aren’t as valuable as a comparable car from the US. It isn’t hard to find a 25 year old car with about 50,000 miles on it.

JDM cars are especially nice now because of how weak the YEN is. Look outside the popular JDM cars and there are tons of things with easy to find parts for dirt cheap.

Or hell, get a not top trim of a popular model, and you can get something cheap. Want a station wagon built on the same platform as the Nissan Skyline? The Automatic Stageas are cheaper because tuners don’t want them because they’re an automatic and don’t have the world famous RB25 engine.

Nissan Rasheens with the 1500cc engine are easy to maintain and have an engine that was used in some American cars, get the first true AWD CUV for about $5000 plus import fees.

Another cheap option is a Toyota Caldina, get a reliable awd station wagon with a nice interior for 7 or 8 grand including import fees. (Avoid the 2000ish GTT version with a turbo, turbo manifold is prone to warping on that engine and said manifold is hard to find in the US as those engines generally didnt sell in the US)
Edit: looks like Caldinas have gone up in price recently.

kalpol ,

Where are you finding things like this? What’s parts availability like?

Evrala , (edited )

Carfromjapan.com has the best search features I’ve found, once you know what you’re looking for www.goo-net-exchange.com is also nice because they translate the car condition sheets.

Parts availability depends on the car. For the Rasheen for example most of the engine parts can be found at any parts store for the 1500 and 2000 cc engine versions cause those engines were also in American cars though the 2000cc engine is far more common. I’ve also found English websites that are easy to order just about any parts you want for a Rasheen including body panels.

Amazon is also nice for finding parts, I was able to find parts for a SR18DE engine on Amazon and that engine was never sold in America. So you can just buy the parts yourself then take the car to a local mechanic for the work.

Once you find something that interests you just Google that car name parts and you can usually find someone talking online about how owning that car has been for them.

The best listings also have video of the car running so you can hear if something is off with it.

n3cr0 ,

Not necessarily. My 2015 SEAT (for folks in the North America: That’s basically Volkswagen) is one of the latest cars that do not completely fuck you over. TPMS is passive, so you don’t need expensive sensors. You can also update the maps on your own (OK, here they pull you over if you don’t know the simple trick). Parts are also cheap.

MadBigote ,

I own a Seat Ibiza 2021. To me it’s one of the last Ibiza to give value for your money. Totally reliable vehicles.

orrk ,

no, SEAT IS VW

Incel_Inside ,

👍

wreckedcarzz ,
@wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

big oil licking their lips and nodding their heads

Gsus4 , (edited )

Are there any electric cars that aren’t glorified smartphones on wheels? Something a grandma can drive without ending up in the wrong menu.

IphtashuFitz ,

My wife used to drive an electric Smart Car for her work. It had a range of 60 miles (less in the winter), and she called it a glorified golf cart. But it was perfect for the 20 or so miles she’d drive each day.

spongebue ,

The Bolt is ok. It has a screen and Android Auto and stuff, but I only use it for Android Auto navigation and energy stats when I’m curious. For pretty much everything else, there are good ol’ fashioned buttons.

Oh, it does have OnStar and some stuff associated with that, but GM discontinued the worst of it after a class action lawsuit.

Incel_Inside ,

Got it, thanks

Iloveyurianime , to technology in BMW Adaptive Suspension Can Be Added via Subscription. Suspension As A Service (SAAS)

We are pirating car suspension now holy shit

matthewmercury ,

You wouldn’t download a car

atrielienz ,

I would actually. A 1967 Shelby Cobra kit car if I had a choice.

StarshotJohn ,
@StarshotJohn@lemmy.world avatar

Lmk if you find out how

HappyRedditRefugee ,

M2, pls

friend_of_satan ,

You wouldn’t download a configuration profile for your cars suspension!

sunzu2 ,

People stealing owners' property will be sent to the gulag!

Incel_Inside ,

TPB go brrrrrrrrrr

Incel_Inside ,

Brick it by bios update:)))

wreckedcarzz ,
@wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

This sure as fuck isn’t the best timeline, but it does have its moments

Incel_Inside ,

😂😂😂 good ol’ pirate bay

MehBlah , to technology in BMW Adaptive Suspension Can Be Added via Subscription. Suspension As A Service (SAAS)

In theory most subscription services provide additional content as time goes on. This only provides a capability that already exists on the car.

curry ,

Scummy practices that should be outlawed, like retail stores raising prices just before a big sale so they can slap “80% off!” on their stuff.

Taalen ,

EU is at least trying to do something about that. As of last year stores are required to display the cheapest price they’ve had for an item in the past three months when they have something on sale. Not all stores comply, and of course they try to get around these by the usual shenanigans, like basically the same product being available from the manufacturer with two slightly different item codes.

VantaBrandon , to technology in BMW Adaptive Suspension Can Be Added via Subscription. Suspension As A Service (SAAS)

People act like subscriptions are a new thing for cars, and somehow mentally gloss over the fact that they have to physically go in to renew their energy subscription weekly, not to mention the quarterly, and bi-annual subscriptions for oil and various maintenance respectively.

Everything has always been a subscription, you’re just a frog that’s well done.

Don’t get me started on your road subscription.

MehBlah ,

That kind of mental gymnastics gives me a headache.

NocturnalEngineer ,

The key differences is utilities you’re paying for the generation & maintenance of key resources - without gas, water and electricity we wouldn’t be able to survive. Road tax you’re helping to pay for the renewal and upkeep of the road surface (among other local services)… Left alone the road will degrade & will become unusable.

Suspension as a Service is milking what should be a perpetual cost when purchasing the vehicle. If the hardware is already installed, it should be available for the owner to use. They’re not paying for the upkeep of the vehicle, or even ensuring the suspension remains functional… All they’ve done is placed the function behind a pay wall. They can argue they’re maintaining the software, but it’s utter bullshit and I hate the fact this has become a norm within B2B (for example network appliances)

At least with luxury subscriptions such as Spotify, Netflix, NYT, etc you’re getting access to their content, which they renew. Here you get access to something you should have had access to from day 1.

Frozyre ,

I think what hurts my brain besides the babbling, is the lack of citations.

Are you just trying to sound smart and in-the-know? Bruh, sources matter for such bold claims.

shani66 ,

You just blow in from stupid town?

atrielienz ,

Today I learned upkeep of heavy machinery is considered a subscription service.

I bet you think drinking water is a subscription service too.

zarkanian ,
@zarkanian@sh.itjust.works avatar

I bet you think drinking water is a subscription service too.

That probably isn’t the example you want to use. I pay a monthly fee to get clean water pumped to my apartment, as do most people.

Zink ,

I’m getting vibes of “Yet you participate in society. Curious!”

ColdWater ,
@ColdWater@lemmy.ca avatar

Gas oil need money to drill and refind from sources and car suspension does not, it maybe need to get a check up or replace once in a long while and not every months

sunzu2 ,

Bootlicker spotted

suzune , to technology in BMW Adaptive Suspension Can Be Added via Subscription. Suspension As A Service (SAAS)

I wish that someone sues when something breaks in the car that you didn’t opt in for.

And… yet better, they get sued when something breaks that is in connection with a paid service and someone suspects that it’s because they paid part caused it.

cheddar , to technology in BMW Adaptive Suspension Can Be Added via Subscription. Suspension As A Service (SAAS)
@cheddar@programming.dev avatar

These cars already cost more than my life, how can they ask for more money.

BaronVonBort ,

Because the people who buy them have it and BMW can get more out of them. The real problem is that they’ll buy it, and other manufacturers will see “hey, it’s a successful model and additional revenue generation!”

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Because people with no self respect will pay them.

MonkderVierte , to technology in BMW Adaptive Suspension Can Be Added via Subscription. Suspension As A Service (SAAS)

Hardware As A Service (HAAS).

MaggiWuerze ,
@MaggiWuerze@feddit.org avatar

Hardware as Sold Service (HASS (german for hate))

MonkderVierte ,

Thanks, looked for this acronyme too.

r00ty Admin , to technology in BMW Adaptive Suspension Can Be Added via Subscription. Suspension As A Service (SAAS)
r00ty avatar

Now, I can "kinda" see the rationale behind optional features on a car being either enabled via software or subscription. I believe the permanent enable price should be the same as if you added the hardware to the car as an option.

As to why this might make sense for a carmaker. In my work I've visited car manufacturers before, and from what I could see it's quite expensive and adds time to support the various options when building a car. You see they have the main production line, and units are pulled off the main line to fit the options at various points and then reinserted and this causes problems for efficiency and price per unit I think.

So, there's probably a cost saving to making the base car have all the options fitted and having a completely standardized production line. However, the expense is likely going to mean if they sold the base car at the usual base car price they would either lose money, or at the very least, the profit margin wouldn't be worthwhile.

However, if you know a certain percentage of people will want the options, and you can enable it with software later, it's possible building the hardware into every car as standard would work out overall cheaper. They might also be able to upsell to more people by making a subscription option, perhaps with maybe a free trial for the first say 3 months of ownership. That is, they turn everything on for 6 months for free, then revert you to the package you paid for. Hoping that you liked some of the features and will pay or subscribe to keep them.

What I don't like is when this stuff might become ONLY available as a subscription, the overall move toward subscription models for everything irks me a lot. I'd much prefer we still get to choose a package, and have the ability to upgrade later.

So I think my point is, the argument "the hardware is there anyway" doesn't really work, because they are likely going to install the hardware at a loss, on the assumption (backed up by their own numbers) they will sell enough to make a bigger profit overall.

They also likely bake into the numbers that a very small number of people will hack the car and enable the features anyway. The vast majority will not do this, though.

sunzu2 ,

How does any of this benefit the buyer?

Asking for a friend lol

r00ty Admin ,
r00ty avatar

Well, I would say it SHOULD bring overall prices down. If the cost to build the top of the line model comes down to say the same as the mid-range model AND more people are say buying up. It means that competition would push overall prices down.

But of course not, it benefits the companies most, and given the choice of lower prices or more profit, they'll choose the profit every time.

If they go subscription only (because recurring revenue is the current business buzzword, so of course they will go subscription only) then overall cost for the life of the car will definitely be higher yet "feel" more affordable.

sunzu2 ,

So long story short... They do it for their own benefit. So why would any self respecting paying customer care about any of these reasons?

r00ty Admin ,
r00ty avatar

Pretty much how it always works with business.

sunzu2 ,

yes so why should end user care about any of it besides price?

r00ty Admin ,
r00ty avatar

I don't think users should reward the behaviour. If they actually lost money because of these decisions, they would stop making those decisions.

But, we both know enough people will bend over and take it.

But, in terms of cost it can be a good move. It's just for us, it makes at best, no difference.

MY_ANUS_IS_BLEEDING ,

You’re right that the idea has come from the mind boggling number of options in vehicles these days. The company I worked for recently had over a million different combinations, and making more physical parts standard fit saves them money.

However that saving is not passed on to the customer. The company pockets it all, and makes more money on top with the subscriptions.

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