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Thedogspaw , to world in Florida man arrested after trying to cross Atlantic in hamster wheel vessel

Why arrest the guy if he wants to drowned in a hamster wheel in the ocean that’s on him

MrBusinessMan , to world in Florida man arrested after trying to cross Atlantic in hamster wheel vessel

This is what this country has come to under Biden. People are reduced to using crazy contraptions to try to escape to Cuba because inflation is so out of control here, they would rather roll the dice. It’s a sad reality we’re living through.

EternalNicodemus ,
@EternalNicodemus@lemmy.world avatar

Def a joke (I hope)

MrBusinessMan ,

What’s funny about it? This is just the beginning, soon many more people will be attempting such desperate crossings as the situation continues to deteriorate (UNLESS we can take our country back this November). God have mercy on their souls and hopefully they can escape to freedom.

EternalNicodemus ,
@EternalNicodemus@lemmy.world avatar

Ok lmao

supercriticalcheese ,

Are you okay?

canni ,

Why do you think inflation is getting so bad, specifically? You think it could have something to do with the $5 trillion trump handed out during COVID or nah?

MrBusinessMan ,

That has nothing to do with it. It’s because of Bidenomics

canni ,

Go on

MrBusinessMan ,

Biden gave all the money to Ukraine instead of stopping inflation. I had to cut my employees wages because I can hardly afford gasoline anymore for my private jet.

KyuubiNoKitsune ,

There’s your problem right there… You need to cut wages, do some layoffs, and increase the price of your product while reducing the size and quality of it. This is the only way to beat inflation now…

Restaldt ,

Psst stop feeding the troll

Just block him

canni ,

I don’t think your trolling is helping the overall discourse

SmokeInFog , to worldnews in Scientists grow whole model of human embryo, without sperm or egg
@SmokeInFog@midwest.social avatar

Does this really solve the ethical wicket of human embryo testing? Is tricking stem cells into forming an embryo really that different from fertilizing an egg with a sperm cell to form an embryo? Like, would this still develop into a functional human being if implanted into a womb?

agressivelyPassive ,

This is the type of question that has no definitive answer.

CosmicApe ,
@CosmicApe@kbin.social avatar

It absolutely does, but those pesky ethics mean no one will try to find out.

agressivelyPassive ,

No. This is a purely philosophical question.

From a biological standpoint, a re-juvenated stem cell and a freshly fertilized stem cell are identical. But how you interpret this is a completely different question.

Just think about the implications: a clump of your cells are “you”, if you want to kill them, you’re free to do so. However, if someone grows a human from these cells, are you still allowed to do that? Is that suicide or homicide? There’s a line between these two examples and where to draw that is an open question.

CosmicApe , (edited )
@CosmicApe@kbin.social avatar

There were several questions asked, but the one I was referring to,

Like, would this still develop into a functional human being if implanted into a womb?

Absolutely has a definitive answer that can be figured out.

muhyb ,

Today’s science has become so advanced because of unethical things that done in the past. I don’t think this one is ethical either, also sounds like some form of cloning.

exohuman ,
@exohuman@programming.dev avatar

I thought it sounded like cloning too. I wonder why they didn’t use that word?

whileloop ,
@whileloop@lemmy.world avatar

Probably the same reason they use the word “model” instead of just calling it an embryo. They don’t want to make it sound like they’re experimenting on an actual human embryo (even though that’s basically what it is). That’s the real ethical question here. At what point does this become experimentation on humans? This also steps into basically the same problem as the abortion debate, which is more heated than I’d like to get here.

Ace0fBlades ,

“The researchers stress it would be unethical, illegal and actually impossible to achieve a pregnancy using these embryo models - assembling the 120 cells together goes beyond the point an embryo could successfully implant into the lining of the womb”

Maybe at some point, but what they have now likely wouldn’t become a person.

sibloure ,

The article says it is technically impossible to develop in a womb, though I’m not sure why.

exploding_whale ,

It probably just raises further ethical questions.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

Since these reasons for being upset are made up arbitrarily in the first place, whether these new developments trigger them is probably also pretty much arbitrary.

culpritus ,
@culpritus@hexbear.net avatar

The researchers stress it would be unethical, illegal and actually impossible to achieve a pregnancy using these embryo models - assembling the 120 cells together goes beyond the point an embryo could successfully implant into the lining of the womb.

MxM111 ,

Please explain what is unethical about this kind of embryo testing where cell differentiation did not happen. It is my understanding that opposition to the actual embryo testing comes from religion. But religion says nothing about this.

Fiivemacs ,

Religion can stuff it. Has no reason to be in anything science related.

MxM111 ,

Hence my request to explain what is unethical here.

noseatbelt ,

The article says the embryo models have a 99% failure rate, and also that it would be impossible to achieve pregnancy with it. Sounds like the process to coax the cells to form an embryo and miscellaneous parts takes too long.

IHeartBadCode ,
@IHeartBadCode@kbin.social avatar

Does this really solve the ethical wicket of human embryo testing?

Subjectively, no. Objectively, yes. Just because it has enough properties to do things similar to an embryo, it has been shown that it is in fact NOT an actual embryo.

Is tricking stem cells into forming an embryo really that different from fertilizing an egg with a sperm cell to form an embryo?

Yes, very much so. Sperm and egg method is you get what you get and you don't throw a fit. Which is less than ideal if a very narrow line of cells is all that you were interested in. Think of the ethical implications of taking a fetal tissue and indicating, "Oh well 90% of this isn't what I wanted. Let's slice that off and focus on this 10% I do want. Oh and freeze that shit I sliced off, someone may want it before it goes bad." The tricking stem cells allows us to focus efforts so that the yield is much higher on what researchers want.

would this still develop into a functional human being if implanted into a womb?

No. It does not. No one has tried with humans but it's been tried with primates. The uterus takes the embryo and plays along for a bit of time but after that, the body figures out the ruse and the whole thing comes apart, usually in fetal resorption. So while this method can produce particular lines of cells quite well, there is obvious things that are massively missing form our understanding of ovum to make this remotely successful. Can we overcome that technical deficit? ABSOLUTELY. Will we? Nah, it's not likely.

Synthetic embryos serve a particular sticking point researchers have about human cell lines. Most governments allow human cell lines to exist for about five weeks (there's particular exceptions to this that have more asterisks than the TOS for most social media sites, I'll not go into them, we're just going to stick to in general here). Thereafter, they must be destroyed. The problem is that if you need a particular line of cells that develops much later in the development stage, you need donor tissue which is much more expensive. With synthetic embryos you can "jump" right to what you need.

So this brings us back to the ethical part of this. Objectively, these cell lines being created by this process come very differently than what we harvest from actual donors. And there's little likelihood that this process is going to develop much further than great for single targeted cell lines, piss poor for complex tissue/organs/actual humans. So objectively speaking, synthetic embryos today have very little chance to be confused for actual human embryos. Today's synthetic embryos are just way too dissimilar to actual embryos that I think any ethical concerns are overblown. Yes, it has the name embryo in it, but that is solely a technical distinction and confusing it with actual embryos is a gross misunderstanding of the details.

Subjectively speaking, if I build a ship out of things that look like wood, act like wood, and feels like wood but is indeed not wood, did I build a wood ship? There's a point where I can make fake wood look real enough that it would be hard to tell if it was wood or not. Likewise, it wouldn't be impossible to develop synthetic embryos to a point that the body would know no difference between it and a real one. The only problem is that much like our wood thing, there are trees that are way cheaper to just grow and harvest than to sit here literally trying to reinvent the tree. The whole sperm/egg thing is just something nature has had a lot of time to perfect and it's going to be a very pretty penny to mimic that. And everyone will find that there are very few takers that want to blow that kind of money.

What synthetic embryos solve is a need for particular lines of cells much later in the development phase of a human life. Those cells are expensive to obtain. Synthetic embryos are a cheaper means to getting SOME of them. But if the goal is an actual embryo, you still cannot beat the cost and effectiveness in your run of the mill fertilization. Additionally, if your goal is large amounts of tissue/full organs, likely that 3D printing is going to beat out this technology but until either one of them wins, we still have the expensive and complex system of being an organ donor and waiting till you get a fatal head injury. So synthetic embryos seem to only be able to serve the niche that they are more affordable than the current method. Could they do more? Oh yeah. Will they? Probably not. It was pretty expensive getting to where they are currently at, and going further there just seems to be better methods for the use cases they would serve.

JokeDeity , (edited ) to world in French state schools turn away dozens of girls wearing Muslim abaya dress

I’ll NEVER understand the need for so many non Muslim people to defend what is absolutely a disgusting sexist practice meant to degrade, humiliate and dehumanize women. Fuck so many of you loser fucking idiots and especially fuck you idiots saying shit like, “well what if they choose to be an object?” “What if they like being obedient to every whim of men?”

gmtom ,

Dude the only loser here is you. Itsa fuckjng dress. It’s not even like a hijab or anything it’s a fucking dress, goet over yourself you utter wank stain.

systemglitch ,

Anger issues eh?

SCB ,

Freedom is non-negotiable.

HelloHotel ,
@HelloHotel@lemmy.world avatar

Ima leave this here. Speak to opressed people as a peer, your not their parents.

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systemglitch , to world in French state schools turn away dozens of girls wearing Muslim abaya dress

Good.

Fredselfish , to world in Scientists grow whole model of human embryo, without sperm or egg
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Wonder how the Republicans will act on that? Also how?

JWBananas ,
@JWBananas@startrek.website avatar

Can we not? Does it have to be every single thread?

Gutless2615 , to world in Florida man arrested after trying to cross Atlantic in hamster wheel vessel

I’m sorry! I thought this was AMERICA!?

metaStatic ,

Stop arresting him and he becomes Europes problem.

ABCDE ,

They think they’re all coming in boats? WRONG! Hamster wheels, son!

metaStatic ,

I'm sure some are fine people too

Lev_Astov ,
@Lev_Astov@lemmy.world avatar

He’s never making it to Europe in that.

echodot ,

He should come to the UK and then cross from England to France. That would actually be a reasonable crossing and he’d probably be allowed to do it provided he got prior permission, but the Atlantic, nah.

Destraight ,

I think he would make it to Europe. It looks sturdy

Rozz ,

The floating cage holding his body might make it

Lev_Astov ,
@Lev_Astov@lemmy.world avatar

It’s surely sturdy, but it also looks like a death trap in a storm. But mostly it looks like he never came up with a solution to his drifting-backwards-faster-than-he-can-paddle-forwards problem that plagued his previous attempts. It’s got so much sail area and so little control surface that even a little wind will blow him around.

PrincessLeiasCat , to world in Florida man arrested after trying to cross Atlantic in hamster wheel vessel

Damn, people really are desperate to get away from DeSantis.

WtfEvenIsExistence ,

Shhh… Don’t tell them about the existence of buses and trains.

Krackalot ,

Sounds like socialism on wheels, no thanks.

Rootiest ,

Just be an immigrant and Desantis will use taxpayer money to illegally traffic you over state lines!

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Public transport is socialism tho. Can’t have that in Florida.

WtfEvenIsExistence ,

Oh look at all these nice cars the rich people have, it’d be a shame if they go missing. 😏

mean_bean279 ,

I don’t even live in Florida and I’m desperate to get away from DeSantis.

Sniper , to world in French state schools turn away dozens of girls wearing Muslim abaya dress

Great news! More countries need to make it uncomfortable for religious people to live normally. I’m getting tired of coddling adults!

AlligatorBlizzard , to world in Florida man arrested after trying to cross Atlantic in hamster wheel vessel

I saw the headline and wondered if this was a repost. Nope. If I had a nickel for every time this guy has been arrested for ocean hamster wheel shenanigans, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t much, but it’s weird that it happened twice.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Also, this is the third time he’s tried.

Decoy321 , (edited )

I don’t think he actually expects to get very far in any of his tries. The attention from his eventual arrest and following news articles are his actual goals. Kinda like that flat earth rocket guy. And they’ll both probably end the same way, dead by hubris.

1chemistdown ,
@1chemistdown@kbin.social avatar

This guy has a long history of doing things to completion. Ran the perimeter of USA, ran from LA to NYC after 9/11. Big cycling stuff. He is an actual world class athlete. I think he really wants to do this but lacks the finances and connections to have the support needed for such an expedition.

Decoy321 ,

Thanks for that info, it’s certainly new to me. The only times I’ve heard of him were for his last attempts at this same stunt.

NedK ,

Our dude was running out of lettuce, and pleased to be caught.

chemicalprophet ,

Redbull needs to get in in this action!

mayo ,

I’m fairly certain there is a documentary or at least a youtube video about this guy because he’s not really what you think. Still nuts.

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MissJinx ,
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Why was he arreated? is it agains the law to walk over water in florida?

Etterra ,

Probably for operating an unregistered watercraft or not having a transponder. The kind of things maritime law requires for stuff like not getting shot be some idiot, not being IDed as a naval mine by the Navy, search & rescue, not hitting other ships, customs and border enforcement, etc, compelling border compliance, etc. There’s a surprising amount of rules for doing stuff in the ocean.

MissJinx ,
@MissJinx@lemmy.world avatar

It does male sense! I’m not very familiar with maritime laws but it seems fair. thanks!! :)

CurlyMoustache ,
@CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world avatar

I recommend maritime lawyer Chareth Cutestory. He’s well versed in maritime law

MrBusinessMan ,

Biden has truly turned this country into a communist dictatorship, even people trying to escape by homemade boats get scooped up by the coast guard and brought back. We’re living in 1984 and animal farm put together.

postmateDumbass ,

Sounds like he was evacuating…

dutchkimble ,

I think you’re in luck, the article says he’s tried 3 similar voyages before, so if it’s his fourth your nickel fortune is going to double!

Kra , to world in French state schools turn away dozens of girls wearing Muslim abaya dress

Very good. If you want to live in a European society, finally integrate and don’t separate from it actively. We don’t need a divided society with unrest. Look at Sweden rn.

ashar ,
@ashar@infosec.pub avatar

Sweden is cool. It integrates the immigrants and does not exclude them for generations like France.

gnygnygny ,

What kind of exclusion for generations are you talking about ?

Immigration per country in EU : France : 7.4 millions Sweden : 1.1 millions

FinnFooted ,

It’s a loose dress. How is a generic loose dress preventing people from integrating? My american grandma has dresses like this.

landlordlover ,

It’s a loose dress. How is a generic loose dress preventing people from integrating? My american grandma has dresses like this

I think its the headscarf thingy most people have a problem with. Nobody cares about the dress part. But you likely knew that already.

I dont care either way about the subject at hand (Not Canadian) but it would be nice if we could leave these bad faith arguments on Reddit so nobody wastes their time arguing about nonsense if its a dress or a burka.

FinnFooted ,

They already banned the head scarf years ago. The abaya is just a dress. Please don’t accuse me of bad faith arguments without even googling what an abaya is.

cley_faye ,

Very good

Before this made the news, barely anyone knew what it was. The most prominent people in favor of this could not distinguish an actual fashion dress from an abaya on a picture. Stop pretending it is to help integration; it’s just harassing a very, very small minority of people, because it’s easier than address issues.

Consider that the kids that got trouble there were actually going to a public school, and were turned away. Please tell me how that helps them integrate.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah tell us more about Sweden?

gmtom ,

Add another racist loser to the ban pile

Kra ,

We have the big winner in life here, who cannot even lead a discussion without insulting people.

HipHoboHarold ,

Your comment is literally insulting people. Not directly to them, but you’re still talking shit about people.

drislands , to world in Florida man arrested after trying to cross Atlantic in hamster wheel vessel

Officials said he refused to step off the vessel and threatened to kill himself. He also claimed that he had a bomb on board, according to court papers.

Oh so he’s not a cool weirdo, he’s a terrible weirdo. Damn.

reagansrottencorpse ,

Have you kept up on Florida lately? Doesn’t sound too insane to me.

KyuubiNoKitsune ,

I mean, that sounds kinda like a desperate persons attempts to keep other people off his “boat”.

SheeEttin , to worldnews in Scientists grow whole model of human embryo, without sperm or egg

So what would happen if it did develop into a full human? Would it be a clone of the stem cell donor?

gullible ,

This one? It would likely have numerous faults in its physical makeup and very probably live a brief, miserable existence. Perfected? It would be a genetic clone.

RHSJack ,

Enough about me. I want to know if this will be considered the same as Impossible Burger and we can start eating people meat without feeling guilty. Indulge in a taboo! Eat a forearm! I mean, not a real forearm. Actually, sort of.

Fiivemacs ,

These ‘humans’ would be literal properly like a dog…goodbye humanity as the ceos would starve us to death like they currently are, and will replace us with slaves they can legally put down (kill) when they feel like it.

Harpsist , to world in Florida man arrested after trying to cross Atlantic in hamster wheel vessel

They are going about this all wrong. They need to HIRE this guy.

He won’t need to flee the continent if he’s gainfully employed.

NocturnalMorning , to world in Florida man arrested after trying to cross Atlantic in hamster wheel vessel

How dumb, if the dude wants to use a poorly made vessel to try to cross the atlantic, let him.

Sendbeer ,

I would agree…except look at all the resources that were wasted trying to recover survivors from the Oceangate implosion.

GBU_28 ,

The world acted like those rich fucks brought their treasure down with them.

echodot ,

Everyone’s entitled to a rescue mission should they need it, even if they do put themselves in danger. That’s the agreement, that’s what the coast guard are for. Of course you’ll probably get arrested at the end of it for wasting everyone’s time but you’ll live.

In fairness to them they didn’t know they were putting themselves in danger they just didn’t do their due diligence, and anyway one of them was a kid.

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Only if he signs a waiver so that the Coasties don’t have to intervene.

Kill yourself however you want, just don’t waste our money and time.

jet ,

He didn’t want to be rescued. They should have just let him go

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