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plenty of content on my screen, I do admit Im posting less everywhere right now while hunting for a job.

manitcor ,
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its spreading quickly, like butt bacteria.

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the computer wrote the 2nd one on accident when someone asked it to bake a cake.

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updates are federated so really its just a matter of the client changing behavior a bit.

raspberry pi 4 cooling

I’m making a homeassistant sever with my raspberry pi and and i’m wondering since it’s going to be on 24/7 that the fans going to wear out much faster than intended. I can’t imagine that I would need a fan ontop of a heat sink and thermal paste it can’t get that hot? I should also note that i’m using an Argon V2...

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i like both the argon and the simple heatsink setups, either work great. i did end up adding an additional heatsink to the argon, the flat case does not provide great heat exchange in an enclosed space.

you can do passive cooling as well, just all depends on how hot the location gets.

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should be fine, if you don’t like how warm it gets a set of small heatsinks for amplifiers will run you a few bucks and takes all of 10 seconds to install.

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old floppy disks of different sizes. the bottom looks like 5 1/4" the ones on top with the metal centers are all 3 1/2". Both standards needed sleeves to be read. Many of these are likely trash now but that wouldn’t stop me from trying to load them.

18+ Whats up with my little pony?

Just checked out the lemmy version of r/place. On there, on people profiles, and many lemmy communities are devoted to my little pony and various other childish cartoon stuff. Im mostly out of the loop. I read an article a while back about a website that was an alt-right thing that used childish speech and my little pony...

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this one changes entirely depending on if you know what the image is from or not.

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i think it may have been. might as well, even if you put in time writing its likely to be assumed AI anyway, esp as it improves.

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as time goes on i think techs that mark human made content will be more practical.

the only reason that read as “off” is because the poster did not put any time into it, prob just a simple question in a default chat somewhere. well made systems tuned to thier use are going to be surprisingly effective.

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fired up my IRC client a few weeks ago, very quiet there but still running! what servers are worth joining these days?

also worth noting that Element is built with similar ideals to IRC but with E2EE included.

Also important to remember that IRC has some privacy issues that you may want to address before connecting as any IRC user can get your connecting IP and ISP info.

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im often astonished at what people will mentally lock themselves into to save a click.

ux is so important, its almost impossible to understate. it does not just provide a way to access an application, it shapes your neural patterns.

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true but there is more to it, remember consumption and carbon production is just something everyone needs to do to survive in this world.

expecting your friends and family to use a billionaire’s private network as one of the sole ways of communicating is not really the same thing as being stuck buying your food with too much plastic on it.

one of these you really do have control over its not a forced choice its just one people think is.

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im not suggesting judgement, you are injecting that from a perspective I don’t have.

this is what people do, suggesting its the same as the carbon problem is a bit disingenuous as its entirely mental rather than systemic.

i get there are similarities but they are not the same thing.

i have seen sites with millions fold and other sites grow in its place in extremely short time spans. The idea of the current immutability of the internets services is a fallacy and the tools to communicate are open to all, there are no blocks beyond what is truly easiest and most understood.

It is not surprise that there is an embedded profit in making sure people think its so immutable, wouldn’t want to bleed users from the garden after all.

In this particular story, most users are both unaware and are actually served a version of the internet that is designed to make them want to stay in the gardens.

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Lot’s of anger at a straw-person there it seems. I’m suggesting they are unaware at a level that takes an understanding that there is an option and a desire to do so.

Whats interesting is that in the last year I see more angry people like you rather than clueless ones.

this tells me awareness is growing and thats good.

be as angry as you want. ive been pissed since these people starting trying to take away the internet we paid to build.

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im not sure where you are seeing this, unless you are speaking generally.

if this is directed at me, I would say its this tone I get from people that would inspire me to look down and potentially lecture.

as i am often told, its not what you are saying, its how you are saying it.

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in the past we would drag companies who made such walls in our telecommunications systems to courts and force them to allow open comms, now we have people making excuses for allowing walls.

manitcor ,
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ive projected my online anger before too. on lemmy there are going to be a lot of

“i dont like this about the internet”

wit replies that say

“well dont use the billionaires toy, drive your own internet instead”

which regardless of how its presented i expect can feel like an onslaught if you are trying to understand and still feel connected in some way to those networks.

Ive never really depended on them for connection and have always considered it extremely rude to expect me to communicate with you using systems like these. Its not just a game of “come talk to me here” its “you can only talk to me if you click 3 agreements, hand over your personal info to a large corp and accept multiple trackers on your browser”

thats quite an ask for messages I can send via email if its REALLY that important.

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i see a lot of this injection in these replies, id suggest re-reading my statements and try and disassociate yourself from the anger of previous convos, no one is calling the users out here beyond saying they dont understand beyond maybe some of OPs statements.

however I do still see a little blame on the users since anytime this topic comes up people come in attacking those discussing it and often being quite rude and frankly overly defensive (common when one suggests to another the wool is over your eyes).

its important to note that those actions that forced those companies to move was initiated by representatives of the people.

at some point everyone made a choice here, they arent necessarily bad people for those choices but ignorance for whatever reason is on the menu. Hard to deny when the networks themselves work so hard to distort views for people. Algos you dont own are not made by friends they are made by those looking to monetize.

this was why we had these cases to begin with, if the incentive of a company providing communications platforms becomes perverted and at a fundamental cross of facilitating those communications its understood to be erosive and dangerous.

in short, communications are a fundamental public utility and should be treated as such.

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because you’re wealthy enough to make those choices.

we are on the internet talking about people using social networks. vast majority of internet users have email addressees through thier ISPs, most popular tool used is a smart phone meaning they very often have phone numbers, SMS, and a number of other comm options.

however I do agree to a certain degree, there are some services that try to gate through centralized socials though I have yet to see any of those be the kinds of social support services that people using state-issued hardware and connections would be forced to. Show me some and Ill let the EFF know.

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god i wish, i watched ATF raid my neighbors, my parents abused and abandoned us and have had guns held on me.

this is rich kid life now?

damn the world has gotten hard

you are projecting so hard.

what does it say about people when they refuse to reply to email and ask you to sign up to facebook to talk to them when they are classed as “friends and family”

is it “too hard” to reply to email? is this asking too much?

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one of us is clearly tilting at windmills

maybe cut out the random insults and direct straw manning of people you are talking to if you want to be taken seriously. for real, why derail the conversation with these baseless insults and poorly made personal arguments?

yes its has always been the epitome of rudeness to look at someone you would call a friend or family member and require them to talk to you on a system that requires you to sign legal agreements and install trackers on your hardware just to communicate with them. just because a large majorty are rude does not change the fact that it is indeed rude.

being angry at learning you have been rude you entire time you have been on the internet is hard to deal with, realizing people have been playing you is hard to deal with esp when those playing you, youll never get to speak to or get redress from.

i see you are here so I suspect you are dealing with some level of this.

remember the subthread here is asserting this is like the carbon situation. ive yet to see anyone prove to me it is. in one people truly have no choice without demanding change and changing thier own governments. in the other personal choice is entirely possible. no one says you have to cut these networks out entirely, your level of engagement is up to you, but know what you are trading when doing so.

i come to social media to make social posts, I dont come here to check in with Mark and Elon and let them know what ive been up to, where i have been and who all my friends are.

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saying someones actions are rude is not an insult but i see some wanting to push language that way.

and yes, i directed a bit at you this time, for the most part i expect people to be ignorant, as I have said in other posts a lot of money is spent convincing people otherwise. none is spent explaining to people what thier actual freedoms are or what they give up by the choices they are making when clicking a colored icon and the Agree button.

im still waiting for:

  • why people expect friends and family to communicate this way
  • why that is acceptable
  • why is email such a problem

you are looking to cover these with the same veracity as what is done to support the “big carbon” industry and proliferate them since that is the equivalency that was offered.

now I think we all get why big carbon claims are bunk, its obvious to anyone that we hopelessly rely on supply chains and only have so much say in thier form or how many layers of crap we have to go through to get staples. People truly have no choice, even if you have the privilege of time and money you are still going to struggle and at best you create a facade of “not relying on big carbon” but you do.

this is not equivalent here, i get why people feel stuck, i even get why they made the choices they did but when it comes to communications, thankfully we managed some standards of law to ensure our little supercomputers are able to still talk to eachother through comms standards. Every user on the internet has always had the choice, its often only a few clicks away. There is a reason why there is a huge incentive to protect the garden and ensure algorithms, UX and features are such to discourage looking beyond the garden.

while there are many areas of similarity id suggest saying they are the same is an insult to both user groups (one internet users the other, well everyone) and really it devalues the carbon discussion which while I care about open communications, we know the carbon discussion is much more critical to our species on the timeline.

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talking generally instead of directly again i see. good for the room to be sure.

i might suggest you look for an instance more aligned with your interests.

FWIW, i dont see these threads often, but i often hear about users on big instances acting like this is the only thing on lemmy. I think its just the only thing on the server you are on.

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so wait, its better to say these people are knowingly choosing to be on these platforms and requiring others to do so communicate with them as well? im not even sure what you are saying but it does seem we may be at cross purposes

we have come a long way since breaking up the bells, wow

is your instance seeing everything?

im not supporting OPs post, if you look at the thread this is a reply to someone trying to equate these choices people are making to the lack of choice people have in the carbon argument lemmy.intai.tech/comment/632241

which to me is a watering down of the carbon argument where people truly have no choice vs having put themselves in a mental box for whatever the reason.

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manitcor ,
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parental controls across the board are an afterthought by these companies at best, even if the product is geared toward children. Internet is off on thier devices and they have a growing, curated intranet to enjoy.

Is the blockchain an interesting innovation, aside from cryptocurrencies ?

For a long time, I thought of the blockchain as almost synonymous with cryptocurrencies, so as I saw stuff like “Odyssey” and “lbry” appearing and being “based on the blockchain”, my first thought was that it was another crypto scam. Then, I just got reminded of it and started looking more into it, and it just seemed...

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Blockchains come in many forms, the ones you are thinking of are what are called Proof of Work chains, these uses a kind of cryptographic race to secure thier data and use a TON of waste energy as a result. Def not a fan either.

The growing popularity and interest in chains is around forms of Proof Of Stake, these use other internal protocol mechanisms to secure the network and work to run the cryptographic functions as efficiently as possible. Unsurprisingly the fastest blockchains are proof of stake and power wise are similar to traditional applications in utilization.

You don’t need any of these networks if you don’t want to use them, fundamentally, they arent even networks, they are cryptographic messaging systems. How the data is sent and processed is incidental, you could work out a bitcoin block on pen and paper if you wanted. This concept has extended to a cryptographic tool called Zero Knowledge Proofs, these will be part of next generation identity verification systems and is a fundamental of the W3C standard around DiD, the whole point is for disconnected attestation.

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lemmy.intai.tech/comment/578972

You can also look in my post history, ask away, I’m no fan of where public systems have gone and understand the anger, point is, these techs ARE being used already in corp systems and even if you dont use this crop of chains, you will likely be using a system like this in the future, even if you dont know it.

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I can say of the top of my head the JPM and AMEX are running internal ledgers but there are many more, IBM and Accenture co-developed a system called Hyperledger which was given to the Linux Foundation. Its a tool kit for developing and deploying ledger applications primarily targeted at internal corps.

One of the cases these are good for is an easier to manage rights and asset control systems than many products you would pay more for and with less futzing with IAM, LADP or AD.

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surprisingly small hardware is needed to sign a message. though I do agree that we are still a bit early for workable end-user use cases. People really dont care what the database or app server is, they just want it to work and raw dogging some public node is just a bit much for people, i dont blame them.

more packaged solutions are under development, these will be more like a proper application with the differences of a chain being abstracted by the provider

things like sms, what if i told you SMS would be fine with this, so would smoke signals

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if you just keep your document on your machine and only use it for personal encryption sure. its a key exchange network, this is for when bob and alice want to talk, not look at something in the safe and put it back. distributed PKI has been a challenge for decades, im not sure about this current incarnation of public systems but I find a lot of promise in many other applications.

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so if you are looking at this its a question to trust scopes, at least in public systems. here you are trusting:

  • the bank
  • the broker
  • docusign
  • you govt
  • your courts

the proposal for a decentralized ledger with neutral execution is that the only “trust” needed is that in the contracts function, however this is not entirely true, in reality you are shifting trust to:

  • genesis ceremony
  • your ability/resources to asses the contracts function and your counterparties.

some people feel this is a better way of doing things, ive found it interesting to work in the space technically but I dont necessarily agree with the wildwest nature of the public systems and am more an advocate of regulated channels if these are going to be done at all. There is also the idea that a large enough network makes it possible for the network to handle larger loads than any individual processor could handle, this has borne out in some cases though its not perfect since we know P2P network instability tends to ripple through a network.

Finally if an application has been built with web3 practices enshrined its entirely possible to ensure service continuity even in the event of the provider failing financially and being unable to serve the users. Important to note this is RARELY done properly and I have only seen a couple cases where it worked so far.

If we are talking the internal org, like docusign itself, an org like might adopt a ledger based system for the in-built capabilities of some chains, you find quickly that enterprise grade cryptographic tracking of large scales of assets or process gets VERY expensive. Ledgers can be very helpful in these cases though are more a consideration when validating a new system rather than it being an impetus to upgrade in and of itself.

I often refer to it as a specialized app-server stack to clients.

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sorry, gpt said i could do better

A blockchain is like a special notebook that many people can write in. Once something is written, it cannot be changed, and everyone can check that it was written correctly. This notebook help different people or companies work together by writing down and sharing important information in a safe and secure way.

Some people use these special notebooks to make digital money like Bitcoin. But it’s just way to use them. Companies also use these notebooks for other things, like making sure their business runs smoothly and securely.

So, the blockchain is not just about digital money, but also a to help people and businesses work together safely and fairly.

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That’s a different conversation isn’t it? shifting from technical capabilities to what people do with them, we have a number of technologies in society that deal with this issue. Important to note that every form of messaging and storage tech ever conceived has likely or is capable of facilitating large scale fraud.

I understand wanting to point the anger, as someone who sat this tech out until I saw the govt take it seriously, I’d say collectively every government and municipality slept on this, which surprises me, I expected this to get killed long before it capped at 2T in value.

Also important to note that cryptocurrency technology was not central to the failure of these orgs as the vast majority of thier holdings never left the exchange. They bascially setup shop claiming to have the tulips everyone was raging for in full warehouses when they didn’t even have seeds. I’m angry at the abject greed as well, however if we apply the current thinking im seeing toward crypto tech as it would logically extend, get ready to throw out all the tech in your house, a surprising amount of it can be used to manipulate and defraud you. Most of FTX’s messaging went out over traditional communication channels, controlled by our governments and endorsed by broadcasters.

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for the most part yes, there are interesting regulatory scenarios that are on idea boards, mostly they want the secure write and a form of DiD being provided. these system provide some interesting legal scenarios with regards to accounting for assets in escrow on behalf of clients. In one form they are liabilities, in another, they are technically under the customers control.

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pretty much, think of the files like what you would see in your .git folder for a code project. they are all linked together in a history graph. so you are validating the data, its position in history along with its entire history, you also know who changed the data and what systems were responsible for writing those changes. really solid tooling for provenance and chain-of-evidence scenarios.

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you are talking to someone whos been doing cryptography since the 90s, the answer hasn’t changed since then, you cant. the ONLY was you can be sure is with old school means or controlling your own lithography system.

most people just pick what level of trust/control/effort they are most comfortable with and go with that. the more your life ends up under these keys the more youll want to move to physical storage, multiple cold wallets, etc etc.

This usability nightmare is part of whats hurt crypto’s adoption imo.

Why are insecure devices allowed to be sold? I don’t know, why do we let comcast sell routers with known firmware vulnerabilities that gets a large chunk of them infected with malware? Why do we only deal with dangerous things after they become dangerous and hurt people, esp when the danger is so damn obvious? I don’t know.

Is there a hardware wallet I like that I believe is secure? No

Do i use them? Well of course, insurance companies love them…sigh.

Do I use them for my personal stuff? No, the vast majority of my holdings are stored in physical cold wallets.

manitcor ,
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I’ll refer to one of my earlier responses someone asked about this in context of a process like docusigns’

so if you are looking at this its a question to trust scopes, at least in public systems. here you are trusting:

  • the bank
  • the broker
  • docusign
  • you govt
  • your courts

the proposal for a decentralized ledger with neutral execution is that the only “trust” needed is that in the contracts function, however this is not entirely true, in reality you are shifting trust to:

  • genesis ceremony

your ability/resources to asses the contracts function and your counterparties.

some people feel this is a better way of doing things, ive found it interesting to work in the space technically but I dont necessarily agree with the wildwest nature of the public systems and am more an advocate of regulated channels if these are going to be done at all. There is also the idea that a large enough network makes it possible for the network to handle larger loads than any individual processor could handle, this has borne out in some cases though its not perfect since we know P2P network instability tends to ripple through a network.

Finally if an application has been built with web3 practices enshrined its entirely possible to ensure service continuity even in the event of the provider failing financially and being unable to serve the users. Important to note this is RARELY done properly and I have only seen a couple cases where it worked so far. However personally this is one of the most impressive features, I am biased however as I was involved in the recovery of a commons that has turned into a defacto standard. Didn’t make anything from it other than consulting feed, just really cool to help a non-profit

If we are talking the internal org, like docusign itself, an org like might adopt a ledger based system for the in-built capabilities of some chains, you find quickly that enterprise grade cryptographic tracking of large scales of assets or process gets VERY expensive. Ledgers can be very helpful in these cases though are more a consideration when validating a new system rather than it being an impetus to upgrade in and of itself.

I often refer to it as a specialized app-server stack to clients.

manitcor ,
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So we can’t trust hardware wallets then. Isn’t that… a problem? Something that needs to be solved?

yup, huge one, something I have sat across the table from the engineers of some of the leading hardware wallet companies and asking them to address. so far what I see are a bunch of companies lining up to say “trust me bro”, I look forward to better options though I suspect that no matter how you cut it, due to people wanting convince it will still be you trusting someone, its just a question of how tight your grip on thier throat is. or you go techno-hermit and build your own kit if you really need something digital.

Why do you trust that cold wallet? Are you sure they didn’t leak the key somehow? We’ve already established that there’s no trust or reason to trust them.

Its a physical set of steel discs with the key encoded on them, locked in a safe with a copy locked in an off-location safe. they leak about as much as one might expect things in your safe might leak. do you control these places? I often think about systems like this looking top provide tiers of control and ownership, you own your accounts legally, physically AND technically. a data breech at a bank using this system drains only the banks accounts, yours are fine (assuming a correct fail-safe desgin)

If I were a cryptocoin blackhat, I’d sell a bunch of broken RNGs to the idiotic cold-wallet people and slowly steal money from them over the next 20 years. Its like the easiest steal ever, the entire crytpocoin community is completely blind to how fucking stupid they are.

You should get on that, I’m sure it will work really well, you realize there have been people working on satoshi’s cold wallets for over a decade? When this cryptography breaks it will be an advance in quantum tech and we will all be boned.

Are you sure that those people who think they’ve “forgotten their passphrase” really forgot their passphrase? What if its the cold-wallet that betrayed them?

Wow, a band of rng guessing thieves only targeting wallets that have been lost by those who would reasonably believe they forgot or lost access to thier key, this sounds like a script hollywood will need in its new AI future!

manitcor ,
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thats how it works, im not sure what you are getting at?

manitcor ,
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there are opensource wallets, the standard is called BIP39

im not sure if any of the hardware providers are doing it though

im still not sure what you are getting at, if you are suggesting I somehow trust hardware cold wallet providers, I dont, does not mean Im not stuck using the tools.

manitcor ,
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the issue with the hardware wallet is not a “simple math” problem but a “trust” issue. in reality you simply can’t trust any hardware you didn’t make yourself, in practical use we usually pick vendors we like and decide to trust them.

for example. many people considered ledger trustworthy until they introduced firmware that indicates a capability to exfiltrate the keys.

I think the problem you are speaking to was some older hardware keys (and maybe some strange off brands) that encode keys at the factory, to my knowledge no major product does anything like that and they take pains to show you are generating the key. the big back and forth there has been with hardware providers using methods that are potentially reversible or other types of vulnerabilities.

Yes pretty much all devices will allow you to import a key you have generated by whatever means you prefer, however once you put it on the device you are signing up for the other issues that come with hardware still.

manitcor ,
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I think we are grasping for new words here really, its only been in the last few years orgs have been exploring actual deployments internally.

I do have a very reductive definition of “blockchain” as I believe it is what it says. what is considered “satoshi’s vision” includes a blockchain system but it does not define the word.

HL is a blank canvas that allows you to deploy whatever consensus you want including those commonly found in public chains, it is entirely possible to run a hyperledger instance that is compatible with any network you would like, presuming you would want that effort.

manitcor ,
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Issue has been the workflow for that, everyone wants something that works with thier phone and self-updates. Also have only seen a couple good air-gapped signers. No one likes the offline signer story except finance governance ppl so far.

manitcor ,
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i think there was a lot of hope among some at the public systems, no clue if it will bear out, the tech however is a viable PKI distro strategy that has been proven to work already in multiple large orgs in different forms. We don’t talk about how expensive or difficult it is to control your own PKI. Its one of the key reasons why you have to yield so much data and control to providers.

I could go on a long rant about what the internet was built to be vs what “big tech” has perverted it into, using p2p technologies to do it then saying “i dont see what the point is for people to have versions of this for themselves rather than it being only in the hands of big corps controlled by share holders” but thats about as far as Ill go.

as for private systems, this stuff is already starting to rule your world. distributed PKI systems in enterprise require expensive and technically onerous trust ceremonies for each cross system connection. you also require functioning cert trees from root to tip in order to validate anything in most of these systems (tools like pgp are the exception rather than the rule sadly). These systems are expensive to operate and add another single point of attack to the system. There are already chains doing internal asset management at companies, and its quite likely that any DiD standard that becomes a gov ID will be on a ledger network not that it should matter to end users.

the biggest push with the latest wave of the tech is to stop trying to sell to people, sell to enterprise, the usecases are more solid and don’t require strange economic games to function.

You will be using blockchain tech, but if its deployed right. You will never know. Do you know or care what app server or db your provider uses? of course not.

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