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areyouevenreal ,

You can’t fly directly in a commercial aircraft. The airspace has routes and points you have to follow. Smaller planes don’t always have to, but big planes almost always do. Altitude is one of the determining factors.

areyouevenreal ,

Electricity is a public utility. Profit shouldn’t come into the question. When it does you just end up using coal and gas, which isn’t good for the planet or people at all.

areyouevenreal ,

Tax the rich or better yet abolish them completely.

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And? I don’t live in the USA and neither does most of the world. They aren’t the biggest nation even.

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China are building, designing, and testing more nuclear and new nuclear technologies. I hardly think that’s a small nation. My own country is building new nuclear plants too. Planning to open 2026. Another 8 are being considered right now to be built on existing sites (presumably to replace older ones). France have massive nuclear investment and are the ones supplying our new reactors if memory serves.

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Why would using a phone affect brain development negatively? We aren’t talking about children sniffing Ketamine or drinking a fifth of vodka here.

areyouevenreal ,

sure, alcohol and drugs do still affect a child quite intensely, though I’m saying that, is social media and the endless dopamine harvesting NOT a drug? if you think about it, it extracts, makes a person want to come back for more, causing addiction, further extracting more, losing its effectiveness and making it almost impossible to quit from there.

I don’t think you understand what drugs are or can do. They don’t all just blindly increase dopamine. They have many other effects on the mind and body that social media does not. This whole concept of dopamine detoxes and addiction = dopamine needs to die too. It’s not based on solid scientific understanding as addiction is far more complex than this and comes in multiple, separate forms. Even drugs like amphetamines that primarily interact with the dopamine system don’t always lead to addiction (ask anyone with experience of ADHD meds). Thinking dopamine is only about addiction and vice versa is like thinking electricity is only for heating and that all heating must be done using electricty.

Raising children without access to the internet is both backwards for their education and actively dangerous. The internet has allowed minors in bad situations to escape or get help multiple times. It’s also made people realise their parents or guardians are insane or abusive including those who are members of dangerous religions and cults, are homophobic, or are abusive for other reasons. School in some countries is also packed full of propaganda, and even when it isn’t they can’t always help and are sometimes a source of abuse themselves. Restricting access to information isn’t a good thing.

areyouevenreal ,

What does this have to do with smartphones and the internet? The internet is a means of gathering information first, and a form of communication second. I don’t get what socialization has to do with the first one. If you want people to be comfortable communicating on the internet (or via phone or whatever) then presumably they need to start earlier.

As for people struggling with phones, that’s because a) lots of people here are autistic, and b) voice phones are not an ideal form of communication anyway. Either way the answer is practice, not shying away from the problem.

areyouevenreal ,

You don’t need to run Android x86 to access a social media site on a computer. What are you talking about?

areyouevenreal ,

Okay first who said eight hours? I am not saying there shouldn’t be limits, just that banning the internet completely is a bad idea. Second communicating with technology is an essential social skill in itself, and being able to use technology and apply critical thinking to things you read is absolutely essential. Lots of people work from home using technology. Almost everyone will have to use technology to do research e.g. in college.

areyouevenreal ,

Yes in a thread about banning kids from having smartphones, which are the main way people access the internetwork nowadays.

areyouevenreal ,

Okay now you are just being obtuse. You realize lots of kids these days don’t have or use regular computers, right? Smartphones are now the only way to access some services as well, and are important in case you get lost. You can’t call your parents or 999 on a laptop now can you?

areyouevenreal ,

I rarely have WiFi issues on Linux. At least not with internal WiFi cards. USB ones can sometimes be a problem, but not often.

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You can have more video outputs than your machine can actually use simultaneously, that’s a fairly normal characteristic. It allows you to have a greater variety of output port types without needing more framebuffers inside the GPU. If an update bricked it then it’s not that specific characteristic obviously. Probably it’s the fault of the GPU manufacturer issuing a bad update that they then repackaged.

areyouevenreal ,

It’s fairly common for iGPUs to have less outputs. Apple M1 was especially bad as it only had 2, and the internal screen on the laptops couldn’t even be disabled if I remember correctly. I think many Intel (or maybe AMD) iGPUs only have three outputs.

Yeah it definitely sounds like a driver issue. I have had issues with dual GPU systems like that on Linux, not had any on Windows yet. It would be interesting to see to be honest. I’ve had laptops before where the video ports would only connect to the dGPU, and the internal screen used Optimus (display output from the iGPU with graphics acceleration from the dGPU on demand). Lots of dual GPU laptops are MUXless like that in fact.

areyouevenreal ,

To be honest I think there are safer stimulants than cocaine. Amphetamines and methylphenidate are probably better for you. I agree with you that a safe supply is better though, and generally agree that it’s a personal choice.

By the looks of it they aren’t banning use of drugs in private spaces either. Only in public ones. Which honestly is somewhat reasonable given how some people act on drugs.

areyouevenreal ,

???

I wasn’t talking about methamphetamine specifically. Amphetamine and methylphenidate are regularly prescribed for daily use. We know them to be relatively safe in sensible doses. Cocaine destroys your heart and your nose. Lookup any ranking of drug danger, cocaine is up there with meth and alcohol. It’s one of the most addictive too.

If you’re doing that much daily you need to see a doctor and get addiction counselling. Legitimately please get help before you do yourself serious damage. Unless you’re talking about coca tea of course in which case carry on. I don’t think that’s you though.

There’s also no such thing as pure cocaine in western counties pretty much. Unless you live where it’s produced you aren’t getting a pure product. Even then I would be skeptical if you know anything about the people who produce it. Go get your stuff tested at a lab if you don’t believe me.

areyouevenreal ,

Yeah some cocaine is less pure than others but pretty much anything you buy on the streets isn’t going to be completely pure. Even if the people you buy from are legit the people they buy from might not be, even the producers do dodgy shit. Do you seriously trust everyone in the chain from here to Columbia? There are websites online where you can see the results of lab testing from drugs sent in from various different countries. I would read one of those and disillusion yourself.

It’s also definitely not as safe as you make out even if it was pure. You’re kidding yourself if you think it is.

Does your doctor even know what you get up to?

areyouevenreal ,

Then where are you getting it from then? You grow and process it yourself?

areyouevenreal ,

I would not be so sure. Maybe for a static web page this is possible. Outside of that I think people are kidding themselves. Writing code that might be stateless in isolation but relies on a database isn’t a stateless server imo, it’s just outsourcing state to another service.

areyouevenreal ,

Doesn’t SPA require polling the web server for more information? I feel like any website which retains information outside of the client device (like anything with a login page) would require state to be stored somewhere on the backend.

areyouevenreal ,

That data has to be stored somewhere though. So you would still need some kind of database server to store it all or some other solution. That’s what I mean by outsourcing state. Data is still stored in the backend, just in a database rather than a web server.

areyouevenreal ,

So I was right then. Colour me surprised.

areyouevenreal ,

How am I being obtuse? You have been trying to trivialise the backend and now frontend as well. Backend isn’t just writing PHP or whatever, it’s setting up database servers, authentication proxies, and all that stuff. Not everything can be stateless.

areyouevenreal ,

The only nuances here seem to be: a) very simple websites need little state (but still aren’t stateless) and b) that you can move the state around to make something look stateless within a narrow view.

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Sure

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Yes that’s a stateless service but not a stateless backend. A backend to me is everything that doesn’t run on the client, including the database. Databases are not stateless, even distributed databases are not stateless. You can’t just spin up more databases without thinking about replication and consistency.

areyouevenreal ,

You still have to consider ACID vs BASE when choosing a database software/provider. It comes from CAP theorem.

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The whole conversation was about backend being similar because you can write a stateless server. Have you forgotten? The issue here is a backend isn’t just one service, you can write a stateless service but you are in fact just moving the statefulness to the database server. The whole backend isn’t simpler than the front-end for that reason. It might be simpler for other reasons, though many popular websites need complex backends.

I am not arguing that a stateless service isn’t a useful concept. I get why people might want that. That’s not what this conversation is about. It’s about the backend vs frontend. Backend to me includes databases and other support services.

areyouevenreal ,

I don’t write web applications for a living and I especially don’t write front ends. I do have to ask though:

What information are you actually keeping in the front end or web server? Surely you don’t need any ephemeral state that isn’t already stored in the browser and/or for you like the URL or form details. Only thing I can think of is the session ID, and that’s normally a server side thing.

I mean I’ve written web sites where there is no JavaScript at all, and the server is stateless or close to it. It’s not a difficult thing to do even. All the actual information is in the database, the web server fetches it, embedds it into a HTML template, and sends it to the client. Client doesn’t store anything and neither does the server. Unless I really don’t understand what you mean by state. You might keep some of your server fetches data from another server using REST or SOAP but that’s only used once as well.

areyouevenreal ,

So you do include ephemeral state that’s a copy of database data? If we were including that then every non-static website has plenty of state, but so does every web server. Whatever definition you are using must be quite odd.

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That CPU came out in 2009. I think things have changed since then. The Intel stagnation issue ended with Ryzen.

Not saying you should throw away your machine, but expecting it to support all features of an OS made 15 years later is unreasonable. They also aren’t saying it won’t work, just that you don’t get all features. It already is way past what Windows 11 was designed to run on (which imo was unreasonable at the time).

If you want to use 15 year old hardware then use Linux. I do anyway for other reasons, and it keeps my FX-6300 server running fine too.

areyouevenreal ,

That CPU would probably meet these requirements abd wouldn’t be affected. The normal Windows 11 requirements are a separate thing which are more demanding but can be bypassed. Though Linux is probably better anyway, especially for older machines. Itt’s requirements haven’t really changed in the last 10 years.

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Like Bro I use Linux. I agree it’s more efficient, that’s why I said it’s better for older machines like yours.

What I don’t understand is criticising Windows over this specific new issue. It’s like hating the Nazis because they had bad interior decor, instead of the fact they committed genocide. Like it’s not even an issue, Windows has much bigger real issues.

areyouevenreal ,

It didn’t realize I was replying to someone else. The person I thought I was replying to was on a 4790K.

This change isn’t a problem at all, just like the Nazis interior decor wasn’t a problem. AI needing certain instructions to run well isn’t unreasonable at all. They are using these instructions and resources to provide a service. This isn’t them wasting resources unnecessarily, presumably they are only used if you engage those services. Don’t get me wrong Microsoft does waste resources but this isn’t an example of that afaik.

What you and others are doing is a motte and bailey argument. First you say these AI requirements are unreasonable, then I say actually they aren’t unreasonable at all and is well exceeded by the actual Windows 11 requirements or most machines made in the last 10 years, then you counter that the Windows 11 is slow and has unreasonable requirements. Do you see how the first and second points are unrelated? The general Windows 11 requirements are way more strict than requiring SSE 4.2. any PC back to like 1st or 2nd gen will have the needed instructions. Maybe the 16 GB requirement is a bit more than some people have, but it’s not a large amount either and you can just keep using it without the AI features.

areyouevenreal ,

16 GB should be the minimum for a new PC these days. The fact they are selling less takes the piss.

Almost every problem in the world would be dealt with meaningfully if we outlawed billionaires.

Everytime I look at small problems or big global problems, if you follow the money trail, it all leads to some billionaire who is either working towards increasing their wealth or protecting their wealth from decreasing....

areyouevenreal ,

You can pay people in a socialist society. You can have people earn more than others too. The only real rule is you can’t own a means of production or profit from other people’s labor, which is how billionaires became billionaires.

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Mint is not immutable.

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My point is Linux doesn’t have to be hard to use. You are going out of your way and making things difficult when using something like Arch Linux.

areyouevenreal ,

Linux doesn’t have to be high maintenance though. Definitely not more high maintenance than Windows for basic use cases.

areyouevenreal ,

Not really most detect the graphics card automatically, unless you are on Nvidia in which case you probably built the thing anyway or are a PC gamer which would know that anyway.

Windows isn’t as easy to use and tends to break if given to the computer illiterate from viruses, not doing updates, not rebooting, and so on. I’ve dealt with these kinds of people, they are better off with Linux Mint, ChromeOS, or similar as it doesn’t have these issues. If you are talking about mac then yeah it’s easier, you have an argument there. I would point out as well that most of the easy to use devices run Linux, like Android and ChromeOS devices.

Windows 11 is the new default, so that’s what we are comparing to here.

Dual boots on a single drive and EFI partition are expected to break at this point. This is because Microsoft like to overwrite the Linux boot loader. You should use a separate drive or at least a different EFI partition. REFIND can be helpful too. Dual boots have always been an advanced use case though.

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Yes you can! What do you think a Chromebook is or an Android tablet. Modern Linux is quite easy to use, in some areas easier than modern Windows. This is especially true if you have the kind of children who get viruses all the time.

areyouevenreal ,

Most people who don’t know their stuff uses nvidia. Happily slowly changing, but nvidia is everywhere, at least where I live. And people who don’t know stuff still hold onto “green good, red hot and bad”.

Every pre-built machine I have seen using Nvidia has it written on the front. Including the laptop I am using now. It works fine on Linux btw, provided you grab the right ISO.

Windows 11 installs itself automatically on newer machines as it did on my parents laptop, nags you if you refuse. Same way Windows 10 did when it came out. It comes with pretty much every new machine too. That’s what I mean by it’s the default. Windows 10 support also ends next year. You are severely out of the loop if you haven’t noticed, or you have an unsupported machine.

As for Windows breaking that’s what eventually made me switch to Linux again, Windows 11 taskbar decided to stop working on two different machines.

On Linux you need root permission to do much damage besides deleting files. You can create a non-root account for someone, or just tell them not do anything that prompts them for a password. There are few places where you can break something from a GUI in Linux, and those are things like disk managers that are equally dangerous on Windows. On Windows you can go to device manager and straight up disable devices. I’ve seen someone do that with their WiFi card. If it’s still an issue tell them to use Chrome OS or another immutable Linux. On those systems the OS partition is read only with snapshots in place. Those are almost impossible to fuck up short of reformatting your PC.

areyouevenreal ,

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Lookup the definition of immutable and then lookup what an immutable Linux distro is.

We were specifically talking about immutable Linux OSes/distros

areyouevenreal ,

I never said the objective was to learn Linux. The objective is to use it.

You can get terminal access on a smartphone. I can give you a screenshot or two if you like. You can also run Linux apps on ChromeOS now. It leverages containers from my understanding, a technology baked into the modern Linux kernel.

No it’s not pedantic you are using a true scotsman fallacy. That being said I don’t think using Linux Mint is any harder than using and maintaining Windows especially if you don’t have existing knowledge of either. macOS is easier to use than either Linux Mint or Windows.

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You can create controlled Linux environments fairly easily. Heck just disabling root access gets you half way there.

areyouevenreal ,

Is your bar seriously advertising? The mental gymnastics going on here is crazy. Yes it’s a true scotsman fallacy. It doesn’t matter if someone born in Scotland calls themselves Scottish or not, legally speaking they are still Scottish. That’s how that works.

A child might not bother with the terminal on Linux Mint either. Does that mean Linux Mint isn’t a real Linux now?

You also severely underestimate what children are capable of. I installed my first Linux distro, and taught myself HTML and CSS while still in primary school. I don’t think you have any idea what children can do. I could probably outclass most adults with technology when I was 16 or so.

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Then what do you mean?

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