Bad news everyone! Nobody is posting and I’m not getting my daily fix of Snu Snu, Mom slaps, Leela eye rolls, and of course opportunities to bite Bender’s shiny metal ass....
Keep in mind that the sub count you see is the number of subscribers from your instance. I see 9.3k from my lemmy.world account, 250ish from my lemmy.ml account, and 300ish from my lemm.ee account.
So I’ve been starting to look further into the Fediverse and using it a lot more than any other part of the internet at this point. I wanna know the reasons why people might prefer Lemmy or Mastodon, I have both but seem to lean towards Lemmy for some reason, but not sure why maybe it’s the simple design and you can find...
The only reason I don’t have the same Mastodon experience as you guys tbh is that I’m on a private instance, you have to have a membership (to something else) to get on and it’s all about that shit more or less, and so I stay on my instance and follow a few randoms. The Federated tab is a nightmare, I just avoid it. Here on lemmy it is the exact opposite, I mostly stay on subbed or all (but my instance is great here too).
I originally chose to make my account on lemmy.world since all the content seemed to come from there. But I’ve since learned that I can fill my feed with stuff from any instance so it feels like it doesn’t actually matter if I’m on lemmy.world or not. At the same time, Lemmy.world seems to be frequently under attack so...
its more that with more existing users its more likely any particular community will have already been pulled into that instance by someone else already.
I run my own instance so there’s nothing on my all feed outside of communities I already sub to because there are no others on my instance.
As a reminder, instances only get content from a community when someone on that instance is subscribed to it ( so to get it in in the first place they’d search !community then subscribe to it).
itl only search within communities at least one person on your instance is subbed to yes. and subbing doesn’t pull in hardly any previous posts, mostly just new ones from that point on
use something like this to help find communities, and perhaps retry searching on the home instance of a relevant community to search its entire history
I’d like to self-host Lemmy or kbin and mastodon. I know I could use different subdomain for each, but I’d much rather keep it short. Something tells me, however, that other instances might not be happy about it....
This is how the world works. On Reddit there were multiple subs that covered the same topics, but the mods developed different cultures and vibes through moderation tactics and sub policies.
If you want a car, there are different companies who all provide one but with different options. Same goes for ISPs, TV networks, restaurants, and schools.
It isn't at all a new concept and I'm not sure why people coming from reddit continue to get stuck on it. Subscribe to them all and as they mature unsub from the ones that develop into something you don't feel like you need.
Posting to all of them will be easier when cross posting is possible on Kbin (it is already possible on Lemmy) but developments like that often take time.
Adding an edit as I've thought a bit more: I think it's important, for those coming from reddit, to truly understand why the Fediverse exists. The intention is to be open source. To ensure that there is no single source of power. There are 'unlimited' options (instances, magazines, etc.) to ensure that it cannot be swayed, corrupted.
This is why people are coming from Reddit - you are seeing what happens when one corporation has the power and sets the terms.
I think it's lovely to dip your toes here, ask questions, and see if you'd like to stick around. But please do understand the intention is not to be Reddit 2.0. We should not try to turn it into that.
The process you are going through now is how things get “better”.
Right now there a a multitude of communities across multiple instances that all superficially appear to be the same thing; if you must have ready access to all of it in your feed then yes you will need to subscribe to all of them.
The reality is that these places are not all the same. Not everyone is going to want to join all of them and they will be subject to different moderation. There will be different levels of activity and on the whole different vibes.
Over time, some will diverge, some will diminish and some will close and direct you to post elsewhere.
If you’re comparing to Reddit - that is a place where a lot of this has already happened; for mainstream subjects one sub became dominant but it’s worth bearing in mind that for some niche subjects there would still be a handful to subscribe to for a fuller picture.
It’ll happen here too; over time things will evolve and settle into a pattern.
As for the caring part - caring comes across in how we choose to interact with each other on here; the way we do that will strongly influence the way these communities grow and change over time.
So. We can influence how things will be. No individual person or entity will ever be in complete control. So it goes.
I go to two different grocery stores to get different vegetables because they have varying quality. For example, if I want tomatoes I go to store 1 and for onions I go to store 2. For carrots I go to either because they are fine at both.
So if two instances have tomato, onion, and carrot magazines/communities with similar quality patterns I might want to sub tomatoes at one, onions at the other, and carrots at both.
I just want an easier way to find all of the instances that have onions so I know what I might be missing at the local farmer's market. Or find out that a new farmer's market opened up!
Federation works a little differently. Having said that, it’s not too far from reddit either. For example on reddit, as a basketball fan, I visit r/nba often. But then there are also other subs like r/nbadiscussion, r/nbatalk, and other subs that have overlapping content as r/nba. That’s the same case here, except they are on different instances rather than subreddits. You can do the same as what you do on reddit and subscribe to the most popular instance community and that’s it. Eventually as time goes by, the most popular community will become the “default” so you won’t really miss out on content. If you really have FOMO, then subscribe to all of them; same as what you would do on reddit; but obviously you don’t do that right?
Only if it’s configurable. It would be trivial for bad actors to find a niche sub, make a copycat of it on another instance, and start posting spam etc.
I don’t understand why some people have an issue with this but maybe is due to the way I have browsed Reddit for years, do with Mastodon now and plan to keep doing with Lemmy though I still haven’t finished setting it up. I like having different “home pages”, much like in Mastodon I can browse my following feed, the instance feed and the federated feed depending on the kind of content I want to look at that moment. Or all of them in succession if I want to check it all. When I was in Twitter I had to use lists to resemble something like this.
Reddit was even better for this if you took the time to set it up: if you suscribed to every single thing that caught your attention no matter your level of interest in it your suscribed feed ended up being clogged by the most popular subreddits among your suscribed communities, so you wound up missing out on some interesting posts in your more niche, slow communities. My solution was to only suscribe to the smallest communities where I didn’t want to miss a single one of the posts (for example staples like GameDeals or some other minor communities I was temporarily fixated into, like say a specific videogame or themed subreddit -I unsuscribed from those when I got tired of them). Then, slowly and naturally while I browse keep heavily heavily curating the general feed by using the filter/block function, getting rid of anything that didn’t interest me or wasn’t good for me (in whatever way you want to interpret it, for example filtering ragebait subs) or often innocuous big subs I was tired of seeing or whose whole shtick had grown old. The result was a smaller suscribed feed I could quickly check daily with the reassurance that I wouldn’t miss out on anything from those communities and a general feed that was always interesting to me but with the potential to show any kind of new community for me to decide to keep or filter away.
I think there will probably be a natural selection of which one prevails. But each instances may have different rules and different mods. So follow and unfollow the few that have what you like. It would be nice in the future though to ability to create aggregate subs or find aggregate subs like a multi-subreddit for a given topic.
I’m just hoping since the admins already had to step into this sub and remove the last top mod, you guys immediately re-adding that account as a mod again gets the whole mod team wiped.
If not, just another dead sub on lemmy.world, there’s better on other instances.
As an outsider, please take these helpful suggestions:
The logging-in process is messed up. For the longest time I couldn’t log into any of the mobile apps (even though on the desktop it worked fine). The error messages were mostly not helpful.
Even now, I still get error messages that ask me to pick a language for some reason. This is after I’ve already typed up a comment and I am trying to post it. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn’t, but you could see how it would be a PITA when on mobile and all you wanted to do was write a short response.
Still no real idea what “instances” are and no idea if I am missing out on entire subs because I am on .world. No clue. Do people on .world only see this? 🤷
The layout on the website is barely passable. The link to go see a comment that was posted for you is just in an awkward location. I’m almost never sure what sub a post is coming from because the name of the person, the language it is in, and some other stuff is all fairly indistinguishable. Like seriously, there has to be someone on the Lemmy team that has some kind of graphic design background who could pipe in and spice up the UI a little.
There are random hangouts for seemingly no reason. Is it because of how much the Lemmy population has exploded over the last few weeks or problems with a link or what? Some feedback would be super helpful.
Why so many subs (are they called subs here?) with zero content. Not even like old content… literally go there and nothing is posted. At all. That is not conducive to growing a sub. If there are squatters who came here and loaded up on a bunch of sub names just to say they have them, and are not doing anything with those subs, then take the name back. No one is going to post a comment to a sub with zero threads. This is only hurting the community.
Y’all should try it! I loved seeing it popping on other instances’ /instances page, and seeing it polling other communities. Also changing the background in my theme was lit....
What are the storage implications of setting up your own instance? Are you syncing the contents of every sub or just the ones you and your friends subscribe to? I like the idea of doing it but will it be TB’s of content in a few months?
You nailed it, it only pulls posts from communities that someone on your instance subbed to. It doesn’t even pull retroactively; your instance only starts pulling posts created after the first subscriber on the instance subbed.
I’m more concerned regarding media, because just like Mastodon, the pics themselves are copied from other instances onto yours. I hope it will be enough to just find -mtime -delete once in a while
Someone has (or had?) a bot that would repost threads from popular reddit subs. Always saw them in new but without any comments or upvotes. It didn’t interest me, seemed artificial.
I think Lemmy just needs to keep growing organically for now as instance operators and the code devs figure out the scaling problem.
Dont forget to do your part by telling other people not on lemmy to try it. Its content has improved a lot so ask them to try it again if they didnt find communities they liked before. It will help the continued growth :)
Don’t just ask them to try it. Don’t ask them to research or try to understand. Just give them a link to one of the major Instances, preferably yours, and let them poke around. Give some tips if you want, maybe some subs they can sub to.
Don’t overwhelm normies with passion or knowledge though, they don’t care enough. It’s about using it and figuring it out as you go, for most people. So, just grease that process for them, that’s really the best you can do. Answer questions, give tailored recommendations, stuff like that.
Currently using liftoff and its been great and done everything I want it to do but will be jumping ship the second Sync for lemmy comes out. !syncforlemmy
Side not, holy shit when you put an “!” the start typing a sub while on desktop it starts to autopopulate then you can pick what you want and it just puts in the formatting. Idk if that is instance specific or something lemmy itself just does but it’s awesome.
I guess it’s self explanatory but I keep seeing all this stuff about how everyone is moving from Reddit to lemmy and I’m wondering if anyone knows if that’s really what’s happening. If you have numbers that’s even better....
In terms of overall users, probably not. In terms of valuable, knowledgeable and hardworking users? Totally.
Take r/AMA for instance. The place was a gigantic draw for Reddit as a space for trustworthy, verified celebrity interactions. The entirety of that work was done by volunteers who have since left that work behind. As such, the place literally can not function as it was.
Another example I saw much closer is r/piracy. Despite what astroturfing bots and Spez Stans would have you believe, Reddit absolutely wanted that sub opened because of what a huge draw it is. Just looking at what they did is enough to prove that. They removed the top mod, manually un-privated the sub, then removed the next top mod for continuing to protest before installing their own. The place is open now and working “normally.” Despite this, there’s really no one knowledgeable left over there. I looked recently, and I found a lot of highly-upvoted, really awful advice. Like, some borderline dangerous stuff.
I used RedReader which got an exemption, so it still works. So I still use it because I enjoy talking to people on Reddit despite the bad behaviour from the admins, and they don’t make any money off me so who cares. The day I’ll leave is the day they force me to use their unusable app (and when your non-tech buddy tells you he uses Reddit in desktop mode on mobile Firefox, you know it’s bad)
I’ve been using both services as there’s way more news and discussion on Reddit but Lemmy is improving rapidly. I do think Reddit has shot themselves in the foot by restricting NSFW subs to logged in / official app only though. I honestly expected this would result in a ton of content moving to Lemmy but that doesn’t seem to have been the case so far.
I think Lemmy’s biggest issue is community discovery on federated instances. Lots of active communities don’t show up unless explicitly requested on your own instance, and that’s going to confuse a lot of new users.
I don't think many people understand that if they use Lemmy or kbin, they are posting to the fediverse. There are other platforms and will be more to come. Referring to a post on "Lemmy" or "kbin" is like saying you saw a post on your Windows or Mac computer....
What feature is missing from KBin or Lemmy to make them forums? KBin superficially looks like a forum, but I only just got here. My next step is to find out whether Lemmy devs are tenable people to work with on forum software development. They are Marxist-Leninists and run a M-L instance or two, it seems. I'm a socialist but not M-L and I've got run out of plenty of "tankie" subs on Reddit, so I'm worried about that. I don't enjoy being called liberal or a bootlicker.
The metrics I quoted may not be precise, but they are still representative. How many more subs does android have on your instance compared to askandroid?
That aside: Just look at the post & engagement numbers!
My argument is that, at the moment, the community is too small for so many specific sub-communitites. And this approach sends users into oblivion.
Most of the deleted questions aren’t even reposted in the other sub, and if they are get way less responses.
Does this place really have 12k subscribers and no posts in 4 days?
Bad news everyone! Nobody is posting and I’m not getting my daily fix of Snu Snu, Mom slaps, Leela eye rolls, and of course opportunities to bite Bender’s shiny metal ass....
Mastodon or Lemmy
So I’ve been starting to look further into the Fediverse and using it a lot more than any other part of the internet at this point. I wanna know the reasons why people might prefer Lemmy or Mastodon, I have both but seem to lean towards Lemmy for some reason, but not sure why maybe it’s the simple design and you can find...
How do you choose an instance and does that have a significant effect on your Lemmy experience?
I originally chose to make my account on lemmy.world since all the content seemed to come from there. But I’ve since learned that I can fill my feed with stuff from any instance so it feels like it doesn’t actually matter if I’m on lemmy.world or not. At the same time, Lemmy.world seems to be frequently under attack so...
Can I use the same domain name for Lemmy and Mastodon?
I’d like to self-host Lemmy or kbin and mastodon. I know I could use different subdomain for each, but I’d much rather keep it short. Something tells me, however, that other instances might not be happy about it....
Do I understand correctly that I have to subscribe to 5 different NoStupidQuestions on 5 different instances?
The content on all the communities seem different....
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Y’all should try it! I loved seeing it popping on other instances’ /instances page, and seeing it polling other communities. Also changing the background in my theme was lit....
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Dont forget to do your part by telling other people not on lemmy to try it. Its content has improved a lot so ask them to try it again if they didnt find communities they liked before. It will help the continued growth :)
What android client do you use?
So far, for me, liftoff and connect seems the most complete.
Is it really a mass exodus? And is it really a mass exodus to lemmy?
I guess it’s self explanatory but I keep seeing all this stuff about how everyone is moving from Reddit to lemmy and I’m wondering if anyone knows if that’s really what’s happening. If you have numbers that’s even better....
It is not Lemmy or kbin, it is the fediverse. (kbin.social)
I don't think many people understand that if they use Lemmy or kbin, they are posting to the fediverse. There are other platforms and will be more to come. Referring to a post on "Lemmy" or "kbin" is like saying you saw a post on your Windows or Mac computer....
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