HELLO WORLD!

testman , 11 months ago

I think that starting from the beginning on Lemmy is a great opportunity to make news communities make more sense.
Specifically, !worldnews should not exist. It is a relic from Reddit that implies that !news is not for all news but just for news from some part of the world. In my opinion, there should be effort put into making this community as inactive as possible. As that would be the result of people posting news from all over the world in !news.

C4RCOSA , 11 months ago

Yeah ok I can understand Demoding me because you don’t like my ideology or instance (not to mention the hordes of liberals screaming “TANKIE”) but removing my comments that abide by the rules without a reason is just authoritarian

WhoRoger , 11 months ago

I meaaaaan I just want world news… With less USA stuff. Every world news sublemmy is 1/2 USA/China/Israel, 1/3 Ukraine/Russia/Turkey and the rest is usually about other oppressive regimes.

I don’t quite understand what’s about lgbtq+… If there’s news, it’s news, if there’s not, it’s not…

I dunno, maybe I should just stop followings any news apart from uplifting ones, because otherwise it’s all the same depressing planet. Wars and hunger and collapse and idiots running/ruining everything.

MargotRobbie , 11 months ago

Can you also provide an explanation on why the previous top mod, [email protected], has been re-added to the mod team?

CantSt0pPoppin OP , 11 months ago

Sabbah is still a moderator because they are a valuable asset to the community. They are knowledgeable about the rules and they are good at resolving disputes. They are also a helpful and positive presence in the community, and they are always willing to help out new members.

I’m sure you’ll see Sabbah around the community from time to time, and I’m confident that they will continue to be a helpful and positive presence. If you have any questions or concerns, please don’t hesitate to reach out to them.

MargotRobbie , 11 months ago

How can you say he is “good at resolving disputes” when he was removed by the admins for permabanning users for disagreeing with his personal beliefs? (To be fair, the users were getting a bit heated, but that doesn’t call for permabanning.)

He also moderates 50+ communities in addition to this one, how can he be a “helpful and positive presence” here when his attentions are so split amongst them?

Forgive me for saying this, but your explanation does not exactly inspire confidence in me.

CantSt0pPoppin OP , 11 months ago

I am here to help facilitate and help this community grow. Sabbah is my moderator, not the other way around. They will be here so long as I see fit.

I appreciate your honest opinion on the matter. It is good to see that you are concerned about the community’s health and growth. You are always welcome to ask questions and I will answer them to the best of my ability, so long as they are directly relevant to my role here .

I hope this answers your question. Thank you for your interest in the community!

MargotRobbie , 11 months ago

Thank you. Hopefully this works out fine.

CantSt0pPoppin OP , 11 months ago

Let me ask you something what do you expect from a tip mod of a community? Please know this is not atempt on my part to be faicious but an attempt to get to know you and the community. You obviously have doubt in my abilities and that is good, I to need to be held to a standard. So on that note speak your mind let me know how you feel.

MargotRobbie , 11 months ago

Sure. I’ve said since I came here: “Lemmy should be first and foremost a place for people, not bots, not spam, and certainly not hate.”

And as top mod, the community should not belong to you. It should belong to all the wonderful people of the community.

Sabbah had the responsibility to run this place, but they lost the trust of the community who put their faith in them, and I think they can re-earn that trust with humility and sincerity, but I don’t think I see that sincerity right now.

I don’t have much more to add than this.

clueless_stoner , 11 months ago

I’d have to say I completely agree.

CantSt0pPoppin OP , 11 months ago

Thank you so much for sch a razor-sharp response!

I should have used a more inclusive pronoun, such as “our” or “the mod.” This is not animal farm where everyone is equal and some are more equal than others.

I think it is important to use inclusive language when talking about mods, because it helps to create a sense of community and collaboration. When we say “our mod,” it means that we are all part of something bigger than ourselves. It means that we are all working together to create a better experience for everyone.

I am glad that you brought this issue to my attention. I will be more mindful of my language in the future, and I will try to use more inclusive pronouns when talking about mods.

Thank you for your feedback. It is important to me that I am respectful of everyone in the community, and I appreciate your help in making sure that I do so.

I hope this is more clear and inclusive. Let me know if you have any other questions.

Lastly you got me curious. Are you suggesting that I’m not being sincere in what I say or the decisions I’ve made so far? Feedback is crucial for the community to grow, so I appreciate you being honest with me.

If you are referring to me, I agree. You don’t know me, and I don’t know you. Actions speak louder than words, so I hope that in time you’ll see that my intentions are true and sincere.

While I may be new here and found myself in this unexpected position, I did have the choice to walk away. But I felt a greater responsibility to this community, which is quite new to me. So, if there’s any solace in my words, please consider that.

MargotRobbie , 11 months ago

OK, first, because it actually really bothers me, why do you write like ChatGPT?

Second, inclusive language is not the key issue here, the issue is that you knowingly re-added someone to the mod team who was removed for abusing their mod power without even anything addressing it like you want it to go under the radar, and he (they?) added you to !breakingnews where he(they?) is still the top mod. That looks like reddit powermod behavior to me.

Reading your response, I don’t even think YOU believe what you are writing right now, and that’s what I meant by sincerity.

CantSt0pPoppin OP , 11 months ago

I don’t know exactly what transpired but I am a firm believer in second chances. At the first sign of a perceived issue, it will be handled accordingly. I stumbled my way into this position, and I need you to help me stand. I did not even realize that I was a mod on breakingnews thank you for letting me know. Mistakes will be made, and lessons will be learned but above all I expect you to hold our moderator team accountable. The community as a whole has a responsibility to ensure that moderators are called out when needed and held accountable. Your concerns display a doubt of the abilities of myself and our mod team. This is good that means we are starting from zero. I hope in time our team is able to gain your confidence in our abilities.

clueless_stoner , 11 months ago

You will hold the team accountable, they’ll hold each other accountable, and the admins will; not your members. That shouldn’t be a member’s concern and if it is, then that’s not a good sign. It also definitely is not what a member should be worrying about. Not in a news community. It needs to be mature and journalistic, not full of additional, unrelated ramblings. And the “top mod” has an “AMA” as a pinned post, lol you are so clueless.

Now if you just started out and there are already so many issues around, then that tells me enough about how your management will be. It’s a volunteer task and this isn’t “your” personal area. You are in service and have full responsibility of transparency against members and other moderators. Better stop acting like a ruler and expecting people to do your management for you. You should have a clear basic path of what to do, and if you don’t, then why even bother.

CantSt0pPoppin OP , 11 months ago

Your points are both valid and a bit critical, considering that I did not anticipate being top mod of this community. You are 100% correct in saying that I have no clue what I am doing, because that is the truth. That is also the reason for this AMA: to get my bearings, feel the ground, and greet the community.

At times I have been told that my tone is that of a corporate shill, and now you are saying that my tone lacks maturity. The fact of the matter is that I will speak how I see fit, and some people will not like it, and that’s okay. I was just trying to be friendly in engaging with the community, and I thought that would be the right direction since none of this was anticipated in the first place.

This community is World News, and the mod team should be mature and journalistic. However, that does not negate having a sense of humor, being lighthearted, or sharing fun World News™ stories by a campfire while roasting marshmallows.

At the end of the day, it’s like this: I just started out, but I am committed to making this work and making sure that this community is welcoming to everyone.

MargotRobbie , 11 months ago

Comedy is about timing, there are many other places for fun here, but World News is not one of them. The news is not supposed to be “fun”, because it’s not supposed to be “entertainment”.

Isn’t that what you disliked about Fox News?

If you are watching the news for “fun”, then I’m sorry, but you are actually watching a circus.

Please read this thing I wrote a while back: lemmy.world/post/858027, it’s pretty long, but I’d appreciate it.

No more questions.

CantSt0pPoppin OP , 11 months ago

To say there is something inherently wrong with consuming news media for entertainment is an opinion. There is a gambit of possible emotions that one may display when presented with news. There is nothing wrong with consuming news media for entertainment purposes, as long as the viewer is aware of the biases and limitations of the source.

For example, if someone is watching a comedy news show, they should be aware that the show is not going to be providing them with unbiased or objective information. However, if someone is watching a more traditional news program, they should still be critical of the information that is being presented, even if the program does not use humor.

Depending on the news story, humor can be a very powerful tool in reporting, but that it is important to use it responsibly. Humor can be used to make the news more accessible and engaging, but it can also be weaponized and used to distort or manipulate the truth. It is important for news organizations to use humor in a way that does not compromise their commitment to journalistic integrity, accuracy and truthfulness.

Humor can also be a way to connect with people and build trust. It can help to make complex issues more understandable, and it can be used to challenge people’s assumptions and beliefs. Humor can also be used to raise awareness of important issues.

The choice of whether or not to use humor in news reporting is a judgment call that should be made on a case-by-case basis. However, you are not wrong and there is a clear duality that needs to be acknowledged. I do believe that humor can be a valuable tool for news reporting, and that it can be used to help people understand the world around them, however bad actors and news agencies that seek to derail important conversations can wield humor like a sword and cut up the facts.

When I say the word humor it was more in reference to *lighthearted and positive news stories that may make the reader laugh or feel good. People don’t need to always feel like tomorrow is going to be the end of the world that not good for anyone’s mental health.

CantSt0pPoppin OP , 11 months ago

You have stated that I have a personal issue with Fox News. I do not have a personal issue with Fox News. That being said, how can anyone trust their network’s journalistic integrity. The $787.5 million settlement that Fox News paid to Dominion Voting Systems highlights that the network engaged in irresponsible and unethical and dangerous reporting.

GuyDudeman , 9 months ago

Fuckin’ amazing.

clueless_stoner , 11 months ago

You are hilarious.

CantSt0pPoppin OP , 11 months ago

Does this mean you want to get on the train and watch it go off the rails?

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/68a9212b-c06a-4eae-a09d-0b31d9d89eda.png

clueless_stoner , 11 months ago

Maybe without you.

Imhotep , 11 months ago (edited 11 months ago)

Sabbah is my moderator,

Your moderator? This is very hierarchical. Do you think of this sub as something that belongs to you?

You talk about yourself a lot, mention this being an AMA…

It’s all so strange coming from someone who - from their own lengthy (and unasked for) description - sounds like the most enlightened person

I hope this answers your question. Thank you for your interest in the community!

all that over the top positive corporate talk. the generic diversity comments without any context. it’s so surreal.

There should be a law forcing AIs to reveal what they are when asked a specific question.
Stop good_person subroutine, lower egotistical tendencies by 80%

CantSt0pPoppin OP , 11 months ago

You’re right, I sounded like a corpo rat and that was awful. Just know the intent was to sound optimistic but sure it sounded like a doctor telling a patient they have cancer in a clown costume and hat was not my intention at all. This right here is the type of input that is needed to ensure that the community thrives! Someone else pointed out that the way I used pronouns was weird and kind of dicksh so just know I’m only human and there is a lot to be learned, thank you for your feedback!

Imhotep , 11 months ago

I’m happy the data you’ve gathered from this sample has allowed you to improve your social skills, fellow human. And in a happy, inclusive, lgbtq friendly manner. Remember, we are stronger together!

Imhotep , 11 months ago

Where can I find a good burger in Toulouse? (answer with GPS coordinates)

CantSt0pPoppin OP , 11 months ago

I know this is a little more information than you asked for, but I want to make sure that you did not get lost on your way.

DD (decimal degrees)*

Latitude

43.6048605

Longitude 1.451104

Lat,Long43.6048605,1.451104

DMS (degrees, minutes, seconds)*

Latitude N S 43 ° 36’ 17.498’’

Longitude E W 1° 27’ 3.974

KayMan17 , 11 months ago

Could we also possibly have something where we can see “the weight of media bias” like with an app like Ground New? It would be neat to be able to be factual as well as inclusive. What does everyone else think of that?

CantSt0pPoppin OP , 11 months ago

I will have to look into that could you provide me with a link. On a personal note I hate paywalls. They are dangerous when people need important and relevent information.

KayMan17 , 11 months ago

Sure man! This is the desktop version, ground.news but I’ve also seen people posting the media bias site on here.

zombuey , 11 months ago

I’d like to make the community more focused on quality content. This means promoting posts that are well-written, informative, and thought-provoking. - what does this mean who is writing posts here?

I’d like to make the community more welcoming to people from all walks of life. This means being more inclusive of people from different cultures, religions, and LGBTQ communities. - was it not before?

CantSt0pPoppin OP , 11 months ago

Quality content

I Twitter and YouTube videos can be great sources of information, but they can also be biased and unreliable. We want to make sure that the content we share is as accurate and unbiased as possible.

I also think it’s important that posts are well-written. This doesn’t mean that they have to be perfect, but they should be clear and easy to understand. If you’re sharing an article or news story, it’s helpful to include a summary of the main points. You can also add links to additional sources of information, if you have them.

Inclusiveness

I’m glad you mentioned this, I have not been here that long, but I wanted to be clear and to the point about where this community stands when it comes to respecting minorities and marginalized groups. I think it’s important that this community is welcoming to everyone, regardless of their background or beliefs. We should all be respectful of each other, and we should avoid making discriminatory or offensive statements.

TLDR: Be Kind😉

I’m proud to be a part of this community, and I’m committed to making it a safe and welcoming place for everyone!

HowRu68 , 11 months ago (edited 11 months ago)

Thanks for answering the(se) question. I like how you phrase everything in terms like quality, content, being unbiased, be kind. And by giving some examples, though I’m not familiar with some of those (USA? ) newssites you mentioned.

I think the majority could work with these guidelines. And if not, like you said, it will be a learning curve via a case-by-case situation.

CantSt0pPoppin OP , 11 months ago

BINGO that’s right case by case basis and thank you for being nice to me. I am here for you and everyone. I did not know I would be here to be honest but now that I am I want to see this community thrive!

Zagorath , 11 months ago

YouTube videos can be great sources of information, but they can also be biased and unreliable

But so can actual published newspapers. I would trust TLDR News to provide me with unbiased news far more than The Australian, despite the former being a YouTube channel and the latter being a physical newspaper and a written news website. I’d prefer the rules looked at the quality of the source, rather than the medium in which it is presented.

zombuey , 11 months ago

any relation to poppinkream?

CantSt0pPoppin OP , 11 months ago

Nope that’s not me.

Blizzard , 11 months ago

This post kind of looks like a corporate e-mail from a freshly hired executive.

CantSt0pPoppin OP , 11 months ago

This is correct I am fresh meat for the grinder cut me up and throw me in! That being said I am more of a poster than leader. Please know this will not affect my ability to help this community grow. Honestly speaking, I just wanted to make sure there was no confusion in anything I said. I am still wearing my floaties so be gentle the left one is flat and I’m trying to swim in a straight line.

somethingsnappy , 11 months ago

Wow, what a very honest way to say you’re a shill.

CantSt0pPoppin OP , 11 months ago

That’s right buckaroo! You figured it out and I would have gotten away with it if it was not for your snappy comments! 🙃

nednobbins , 11 months ago

It would be great if there could be some discussion of what exactly “diversity” means. It’s one of those words that people seem to assume is well defined but I can’t get anyone to define it.

I don’t know what the definition should be but I’ve seen variations that assume different definitions and I’m more comfortable with some than with others.

1. I have a friend who works at a bank. He bragged that his team was 100% diverse. When I asked him what that mean he said there were no white people on his team. Personally, this seems like a bad definition. I have trouble thinking of “diversity” as the removal of some group, even if that group is otherwise over-represented elsewhere. It also ignores any potential diversity around any other factors; either the traditional political factors such as gender or religion or any diversity of thought (do their analysts include both Frequentists and Baysians?)
2. Reddit mostly has users from the US. Should we consider a Lemmy community diverse if it represents the predominant views and voices of the US? If that’s the case the image above needs more white people. en.wikipedia.org/…/Demographics_of_the_United_Sta…
3. The world is a big place and anyone could join Lemmy. Should we consider a community diverse if it matches the demographics of the planet? In that case the image above has too many white people. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population#Global_dem…

The above focuses on race but it’s more widely applicable. This community will most likely consists of mostly US citizens for the near future. If the community is firmly focused on US ideas it will be more about US opinion of the rest of the world than actual diversity. If it actually does include a globally diverse set of ideas it’s likely to get pretty uncomfortable for the majority of the people here.

CantSt0pPoppin OP , 11 months ago

I was waiting for this question! Everyone means including white people lol! I a more mixed then a bottle of nuts think of me as a mutt persay. I have been raised by people from all walks of life white, black, mexican, russian, to put it simply you name the ethenic group and I can tell you something about their culture and if I cant I will be the first one my nose in a book to learn. It can mean different things to different people. But I think we can all agree that it’s important to have a variety of different people in our community. That means people from all different backgrounds, with different experiences and perspectives.

I know what you’re thinking: “We need to be more diverse.” And you’re right. We can always learn from each other and grow as a community.

So how do we make our community more diverse? Well, for starters, we can start by welcoming people from all over the world. We can also make sure that our discussions are inclusive and respectful of everyone’s viewpoints. And finally, we can challenge ourselves to think outside the box and consider new ideas.

I think if we all work together, we can make our community a more diverse and inclusive community. And that would be pretty chill, wouldn’t it?

Oh I almost forgot the way you framed that question makes me wonder if you are talking about that sudo fear of “replacement theory”. Please clarifiy because I noticed some of your concerns was that I would chase away all the white folks and have BBQ and collared greens everyday 🙃

nednobbins , 11 months ago

replacement theory

I had to look that up but it was basically what I expected it to be.

Short answer. No. I have no particular fear of white people (or anyone else for that matter) being replaced.

I’m talking less about any concerns of what the demographics should be and more on identifying what we’re talking about. That’s why I brought up the two contrasting demographics of the US vs the world.

Americans, even those with diverse ancestral backgrounds, tend to view the world through the lens of Americans. Individual subgroups within the US tend to view America through the lens of their subgroup. I’ve noticed that diversity means different things to different people and I’m wondering what it will mean here.

A comment elsewhere in this thread illustrates the potential conflict. They note that we want to avoid islamophobia, which I agree with and we want to avoid homophobia, which I also agree with. But they make it sound like it will be easy to reconcile the two on a global scale. I suspect that will be much harder to pull off.

MargotRobbie , 11 months ago

What’s your criteria for “legitimate news sources”?

nednobbins , 11 months ago

This is a difficult question. I try to focus on the article itself rather than the news site.

The first thing I look for is if they’re rambling. That’s probably not the best criterion but it’s so obvious. If an article doesn’t get to the point in the first few sentences it probably doesn’t have a point.

The second thing I look for is verification. I already know some stuff about the world. If know the article made some mistakes I’ll assume they’re making other mistakes. If they are correct about less well known facts I mentally bump up their reliability a bit.

If they make a statement about a fact I expect them to source it. If their source is some equivalent of “trust me bro” I’m getting out my salt shovel.

Beyond that I’ll look at the track record of the author and the publication. Do they consistently pass or fall short of the reliable news threshold? If so, I adjust my expectations.

The individual articles or statements come first though. I may have very little confidence in Fox and Friends or in Donald Trump but if they get on TV and make independently verifiable statements that check out then it’s true.

In terms of a simple rule that could be practically implemented. Maybe something like, the article must have independently verifiable sources for its claims. One corollary would be, if article A cites article B as a source, don’t post A, just post B directly.

CantSt0pPoppin OP , 11 months ago

No question is difficult I am willing to listen this is everyone’s community I am just steering the ship so to speak and I need everyone here to help me steer it away from any waterfalls!

Social media sites (Facebook, blogs, Twitter, WhatsApp, etc.)

Websites and blogs with news that is based on opinion (Medium, Natural News) Disinformation news outlets with no links to other sources (Empire News)

Sites designed to look like reputable sources (CNSNews.com)

News Punch, godlikeproductions, Infowars and fringe conspiracy theory websites

Clickbait sources that are often found on the edges of websites with compelling headlines and titles to provoke someone to click

I am sure there are more but also know this it will a case-by-case basis and the posts will be reviewed to ensure that they adhere to the guidelines of credibility.

I hope this helps

nednobbins , 11 months ago

If I’m being honest with myself I do steer towards and away from certain news outlets based on my perception of their overall trustworthiness. In my ideal world I’d just articles on their individual merits.

For example. When I was a kid, the Wall Street Journal was top tier in reliability. Nothing changed immediately after Rupert Murdoch bought them but over time I noticed some changes. In particular I started seeing editorials less clearly marked as such and mixed in with regular articles. That struck me as shady editorial decisions. I’ve read enough shoddy WSJ articles since then that I don’t really trust them anymore. That said, they still put out individual articles that are accurate and well sourced.

For practical administration reasons I suspect you’ll have to take the broad approach of just banning some sources that are egregious repeat offenders. Ideally I’d like to see a set of criteria that define what gets sources on that ban list and what can get them removed. If we can identify reliable fact checking organizations perhaps we could use them as a metric (ie any publication that has more than X fact corrections in an N month period is auto-banned).

I hate clickbait but I don’t know how to define it. How do we differentiate them from well written, attention grabbing headlines?

I’d love to see more attention paid to self policing. Eg Ira Glass did the most epic retraction I’ve ever seen. www.thisamericanlife.org/460/retractionWhen they figured out that their story was wrong they didn’t just say, “Oops sorry.” They invited the source back on, and spent a whole hour analyzing where they went wrong. My respect for NPR shot way up that day. It would be great to see a score of how good media outlets are at admitting their mistakes. That would greatly increase my trust in them.

CantSt0pPoppin OP , 11 months ago

Social media sites (Facebook, blogs, Twitter, WhatsApp, etc.)

Websites and blogs with news that is based on opinion (Medium, Natural News)

Disinformation news outlets with no links to other sources (Empire News)

Sites designed to look like reputable sources (CNSNews.com)

News Punch, godlikeproductions, Infowars and fringe conspiracy theory websites

Clickbait sources that are often found on the edges of websites with compelling headlines and titles to provoke someone to click

I am sure there are more but also know this it will a case-by-case basis and the posts will be reviewed to ensure that they adhere to the guidelines of credibility.

I hope this helps

little_cow , 11 months ago

As @neuromancer suggested would you be willing to ban opinion/editorial pieces?

Also, can you clarify the no spam rule?

Currently, it is “No spamming: Please do not post the same content multiple times or post links to irrelevant websites.” yet I was banned for posting too many different articles in too short of a time period.

Thanks for the openness and desire to improve an important community on the fediverse.

CantSt0pPoppin OP , 11 months ago

Hey fam you good! You are a lot like me when it comes to posting I just had to be sure that you were you and not a robot!

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/5bde51ef-aeb4-43ad-9907-5df3d8bd93a6.mp4

little_cow , 11 months ago

I appreciate your commitment to ensuring the space is unwelcome to bots!

Just humans being humans totally not a cow

givesomefucks , 11 months ago

You banned someone for spamming, then undid it and made them a mod?

They’ve made 12 posts in the last hour, how is that not spam levels of posting?

neuromancer , 11 months ago

deleted_by_author

little_cow , 11 months ago

I had an account on another instance that used to be federated but is no longer so I made one here.

I kindly ask you to judge me on my words/actions not on when my account was made

little_cow , 11 months ago

As per the rules of the community:

“No spamming: Please do not post the same content multiple times or post links to irrelevant websites.”

While I did make many posts within a short period of time none of them are the same content and are all relevant websites. I am able to be active during specific times of the day so I post the world news articles when I receive them from breaking news sites.

I was banned because I was suspected of being a bot and asked to provide proof which I did and was unbanned, that is fair moderation in my opinion to try and keep out post bots.

givesomefucks , 11 months ago

12 posts in an hour is pretty spamming…

I’m just hoping since the admins already had to step into this sub and remove the last top mod, you guys immediately re-adding that account as a mod again gets the whole mod team wiped.

If not, just another dead sub on lemmy.world, there’s better on other instances.

tdawg , 11 months ago

lol programer jokes

TheSaneWriter , 11 months ago

This means being more inclusive of people from different cultures, religions, and LGBTQ communities.

What rule changes or moderation styles are you planning in order to do this? In some cases it’s a tight-rope walk, because it’s important to both do things like ban or warn those engaging in islamophobia while also making sure that forms of Islam that are intolerant towards LGBTQ communities are not able to use their religion as an excuse. Thanks for doing this AMA, I think openness from the mods is really good for community relations.

CantSt0pPoppin OP , 11 months ago

I’ve had the pleasure of meeting people from all walks of life, including some who have despised me for who I am. But I believe that everyone has the potential to grow and become the best version of themselves. Life is about second chances, redemption, and education.

That being said, I will not tolerate discrimination against any marginalized group. If you see someone being discriminated against, please reach out to me and I will handle it.

I know that some people grow up around dinner table enablers, who hear hate at the dinner table and grow up being fed it day in and day out. This gives them a twisted perception of reality and the world around them.

It’s for this reason why I’m a firm believer in second chances. However, each issue will be dealt with on an organic case-by-case basis to ensure fairness. I know this isn’t a firm direct answer, but it’s the best I’ve got.

On another note: I also want to say that I’m tired of trolls, gaslighters, and dog whistlers. I have zero patience for it. If I see any of this behavior, you’ll be banned for 16 days the first time, and permanently banned the second time.

I hope we can all create a safe and welcoming space for everyone.

C4RCOSA , 11 months ago

How will you address the Sinophobia and Russophobia that often occurs in any post related to Russia or China?

When a user drives by to comment “Fuck Russia” or call the user a “Cee Cee Pee shill” that adds nothing to the discussion and actively detracts from it not only by diminishing the quality of the discussion but also by dissuading any Russian or Chinese people from participating in a community that does not address racism.

gullible , 11 months ago

There’s currently a pretty reasonably large tanky population attempting to make a new home on this instance and others. As long as any new inclusiveness policy doesn’t impede my ability to call someone a scum-sucking genocide apologist or a thinly veiled authoritarian mouthpiece, I’m on board. This place will very gradually find itself turned unpalatable if pointing out the tankies is disallowed.

I really don’t want to go back to Reddit, but it’s preferable to seeing frequent Maoist/Stalinist garbage.

C4RCOSA , 11 months ago

Then engage them on the merits of the article and directly challenge the rhetoric with facts and logic. Deprogramming propaganda requires a working knowledge of theory, facts, and logic. Simply calling someone a scum sucking genocide apologist authoritarian mouthpiece should be outside the scope of this community, otherwise you are just showing your racist ass.

gullible , 11 months ago

Perhaps, as someone with a family tree pruned into a family shrub by Stalinists, I might have stronger feelings about this than most. Tiptoeing on behalf of people cheering at my family’s graves isn’t ever on the table for me, personally.

C4RCOSA , 11 months ago

Sadly, many people around the world can make this claim, yet they endeavor to end racist violence rather than perpetuate the cycle. Racism encourages this vicious cycle and is in violation of the community’s third rule.

You may think that words online may not have impact, but there is a demonstrative effect on the increase of crimes against Chinese and Russians. As I said below engage in these topics with your personal anecdote or a factual rebuttal of the subject. Shouting “FCKXXX PUTINNN” is as effective as “ANOTHER KKKRACKKKA DOWN”

givesomefucks , 11 months ago

When people say “Fuck Russia” their issue probably isn’t with the genetics of modern Russians…

It’s not racism.

It’s being made at their shitty far right authortian government, which is pretty much just Putin.

I honestly don’t think I’ve ever seen someone attempt to be racist against Russians…

Same with China (except some “conservatives”) when people criticize China, it’s pointed at their shitty far right authortian government.

kescusay , 11 months ago

To build on what @C4RCOSA said, the appropriate response to a tanky or suspected state-owned propaganda account is to debunk it and report it.

gullible , 11 months ago

As long as it’s still getting removed in a reasonable timeframe, I’m happy.

CantSt0pPoppin OP , 11 months ago

Consider providing detailed irrefutable facts and information instead of name calling. That would be more productive would you not agree?

CantSt0pPoppin OP , 11 months ago

That would fall under racism and dealt with accordingly. People do not choose where they are born and far too often do not have control over what their government does.

gullible , 11 months ago

I appreciate knowing that I should block this community. You seem lovely, but tolerating the intolerant isn’t for me.

cleric_splash , 11 months ago

Bye bye, intolerant.

givesomefucks , 11 months ago

What?

Saying “Fuck Russia” or “Fuck China” isn’t automatically racist, 99.999% of the time it’s someone talking about those countries far right authoritarian governments…

How is that racist?

cleric_splash , 11 months ago

Dangerous choice of words there, what’s your stance on the CCP? The previous posted heavily insinuated CCP = bad and you didn’t bring all that diversity talk into the table this time.

CantSt0pPoppin OP , 11 months ago

Hey, help me out! What post are you talking about? If there was any post before this one then it was not me. That being said show me and I can help clear this up, thank you!

cleric_splash , 11 months ago

This one

That would fall under racism and dealt with accordingly. People do not choose where they are born and far too often do not have control over what their government does.

CantSt0pPoppin OP , 11 months ago

Ah okay so it’s like this. The CCP does not equal the entire population of China. It is a governing body that dictates how the Chinese people live. Generalization of people is a racist trope. Holding fascist authoritarian governments accountable for atrocities is not. The comment was intended to help people think about the individuals within a country when thinking about the actions of the government. I know this is not the answer you may have wanted but it does give you some things to think about. Racial slurs dehumanization clearly not allowed. Criticizing the CCP for having a hand in a modern-day genocide against the Uyghurs Muslims is both welcomed and encouraged. This does not just apply To the CCP but all world governments.

cleric_splash , 11 months ago

This does not just apply To the CCP but all world governments.

Ok, then I’ll fell strongly encouraged to bring up the genocide of indians and indigenous populations committed by the Americans at every chance I see.

CantSt0pPoppin OP , 11 months ago

The United States has a long and bloody history of atrocities against indigenous peoples and Black people. These atrocities are some of the worst in human history, and they dwarf some of history’s other atrocities. This is not to say that one atrocity is worse than another, but it is important to remember that the United States has a dark past that we must not forget.

scaryboat , 11 months ago

🌍👋

CantSt0pPoppin OP , 11 months ago

Shall we play a game?