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jak , (edited )

This seems consistent with what I learned in CCD and Catholic school in the 90s-00s. We were always told that sexual pleasure was increased in a marriage and a sign of god blessing the marriage, whereas sexual pleasure outside of a marriage was cheap and damaging.

Edit: side note, I didn’t think this fucked me up until I got married and realized I’d felt ashamed every other time I’d had sex. I never believed in god, and this is pretty obviously trying to steer behavior, so I thought I was unaffected, but it’s still a brain virus

hangukdise ,

Yeah, nothing special here

Zehzin ,
@Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

Being ashamed of and being shamed for sex has permeated into society, no one is completely immune to it.

jak ,

It’s pretty common, but I’ve always been very sex positive, with zero shame about nudity or bodily functions. I don’t notice any shame since I got married ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Of course, I didn’t think there was any beforehand, so who knows

Squizzy ,

I don’t think this true, orientation certainly but I can’t imagine being shamed for or ashamed of sex

Fudoshin ,
@Fudoshin@feddit.uk avatar

Do Catholics wank?

MutilationWave ,

Does the Pope shit in the woods?

kerrigan778 ,

I… I don’t know? I don’t think so?

sxan ,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

I’m old, and I’m still discovering ways a fundamentalist upbringing fucked me up.

Zehzin ,
@Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t know why the headline made me Imagine the Pope getting really excited and calling all his homies in cause he found out what sex is

Agent641 ,

“Brothers, look, we had it wrong this whole time. It says ‘Celebrate’!”

Agent641 , (edited )

Me learning about masturbation for the first time: 😳

The priest showing me: 🤫

Omega_Haxors ,

h-h–hh–hholy shit 💀

carl_dungeon ,

“So are little boys!” — the clergy

CoffeeJunkie ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/de6800b5-2ec7-49b9-8e4a-7c273066c443.jpeg

PolandIsAStateOfMind ,
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That would be doctrinal breaktrough, but the long strings of popes saying whatever they find convenient at the moment tuned the formal requirements for pope to be infallible pretty high. And i won’t even mention that whatever cool thing Francis ever said as a pope have exactly zero influence on church reality.

TrickDacy ,

That would be doctrinal breaktrough

No it wouldn’t. This is a standard way of talking about marriage in oppressive religions, including Catholicism

PolandIsAStateOfMind ,
@PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml avatar

So by “relationships” he just meant “marriage” as church always did? It’s clear from the context he is not, since lower there is mentions of “same-sex relationships”, not to mention even the word itself suggest any something wider.

TrickDacy ,

I think he’s intentionally vague when using the word relationships. The word does not explicitly mean any one thing. But yeah sex within marriage has always been praised in Christianity. It’s been a big selling point of marriage in general. I don’t see anything in the article to suggest he’s explicitly blessed homosexual sex or truly changed any doctrine.

PolandIsAStateOfMind ,
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Yeah, if that was taken on a face value then the acceptance of all kinds of extramarital relationships would be a big doctrinal change, but nothing is happening, as i noted in my first post.

Eheran ,

So is the pope speaking for/to God or not? Fucking Religions can’t even be consistent within their own made up framework.

givesomefucks ,

If he’s standing it’s his own words.

If he’s sitting on his “throne” then it’s the word of God and the Pope is infallible.

Doesn’t make any sense rationally, but that’s how they differentiate.

He can say this progressive stuff while standing and it just pisses conservative Catholics off.

If he does it “from the throne” we’ll likely see a formal split and conservative Catholics may even nominate their own Pope and officially split.

taladar ,

So, as with any other person, when “on the throne” more shit comes out?

Eheran ,

Is this actually true?

givesomefucks ,

Do you mean is it Catholic doctorine?

Yep.

If you meant “does God literally speak thru the Pope but only when he’s on his special golden throne?”

Then no, it’s not true

bionicjoey ,

The reason it’s only the word of God while he’s sitting on the throne is because the holy Spirit enters through his butt and talks through him like a puppet.

ahnesampo ,

Most of the time the pope is no different from any other Catholic. He has a lot of respect by virtue of his post, but what he says is not the word of God.

This changes if he speaks “ex cathedra” (Latin for “from the chair”, the throne the previous poster is alluding to). Ex cathedra means the pope is defining dogma for all the faithful as the supreme pontiff of the Catholic Church. Think of it as the difference of the US president saying something in a private conversation vs. him issuing an executive order. When the pope speaks ex cathedra, he is considered infallible in the Catholic faith.

Popes rarely speak ex cathedra. Most of Catholic theology is settled, so there is rarely need to clarify anything. The last time it happened was in 1950 about the Assumption of Mary.

Papal (and church council) infallibility does mean that the Catholic Church can never change its mind about things like homosexual marriage and abortion. The Catholic Church says it is Christ’s church on earth, and is protected by the Holy Spirit from error that could lead Christians astray. Saying that they got something as vital as “what is and is not sin” wrong would undermine the church’s entire foundation.

Doods ,

Fucking Religions can’t even be consistent within their own made up framework.

Speak for Christianity, don’t drag us with it.

JJROKCZ ,

No, they’re all full of shit

Doods ,

From your wording and the upvote ratio, I conclude this conversation is going nowhere, I hope you find the right path.

JJROKCZ ,

Make sure to protect your head when you get off that high horse, it’s quite the fall.

There is no right path, make the best of life you can and if the gods have a problem with that then they didn’t deserve worship to begin with.

Doods ,

Would you go to hell instead of me if I do that? (to rephrase it, would you take responsibility?) (you can’t)

Sgt_choke_n_stroke ,

Or is it the result of years of evolution to increase reproduction?

poplargrove ,

Theistic evolution believers: why not both

jol ,

I guess we’re all God’s pets children and He wants us to keep reproducing. Evolution is compatible with believing in God. Now why He put my g spot inaide my ass can only be proof of His immense sense of humour.

Chainweasel ,

I wonder if the choir boys feel the same way

Showroom7561 ,

Stop trying to justify molesting children.

Nobilmantis ,
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Bro out of all the people of the churches in the world, I really think pope Francis is the last person to bring this point on…

Showroom7561 ,

Yeah, a real leader among leaders.

The Catholic Church has protected pedophiles among their ranks for as long as the Catholic Church has been around.

They’ve thrown a few under the bus after overwhelming evidence has been filed against them, but that doesn’t change much.

Nobilmantis ,
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The Catholic Church has protected pedophiles among their ranks for as long as the Catholic Church has been around.

It is documented and undeniable that there have been such figures in the church, but it is my opinion that this specific pope has been trying to bring the church in a different direction, both on this specific issue, but also generally more progressive, if you want.

Yeah, a real leader among leaders.

Thanks for sharing this article, I’ve read it and tried to do more reaserch on the topic (turns out the wikipedia page on the matter is pretty dense and source-full, while the NYT wrote just has a couple lines written quickly). I will answer with this article from the guardian

Showroom7561 ,

“Despite recent measures to root out abuse by priests and increase transparency, some victims say the Vatican still has not gone far enough to protect children even in the West, where intense media coverage of paedophile priests has led to greater scrutiny of church practices.”

Francis has been in power for over a decade now, and that quote (from your link) was written years ago. Nothing has really changed.

65gmexl3 ,
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IIRC Song of songs is all about s3x or the pleasure of it. I struggled when i first read it back when i was still one of them.

SaltySalamander ,
@SaltySalamander@kbin.social avatar

s3x

So juvenile...

paddirn ,

Pretty sure sexual pleasure is the result of friction, nerve endings, a bunch of neuro-chemicals, and a whole lot of fetishes. If anyone is letting us enjoy sexual pleasure, it’s the other department.

211 ,

Friction. 🤮 No. NO.

unreachable ,
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https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/86bf6421-13dd-4692-842c-8b1886fa0ec5.webm

paddirn ,

Lubricated friction is still friction, but hey, whatever floats your boat I guess.

SketchySeaBeast ,
@SketchySeaBeast@lemmy.ca avatar

Sounds like they are into whatever soaks their boat.

pixeltree ,

I mean, you want low friction, not no friction

rynzcycle ,

Psh, my fetish is thrusting into an empty vacuum.

ivanafterall ,
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

When there's nothing there, you can pretend it's absolutely anything.

pixeltree ,

Maybe that’s why I got so many boners during physics

sik0fewl ,

Haven’t you heard the phrase “there were sparks between them”?

TrickDacy ,

Hate to break it to you, but friction is literally what causes most of the sensation to be felt. Too much friction seems to be what you’re thinking of

211 ,

Under half of women orgasm from penetration alone, and for about one in ten it’s outright painful. For me it does pretty much nothing. I guess we could move to whether air and vibrations on clit count as friction, but I’m pretty sure that’s not what anyone had in mind. Nor whether kisses and general intimate closeness count as “sexual pleasure”.

TheRealKuni ,

I guess we could move to whether air and vibrations on clit count as friction, but I’m pretty sure that’s not what anyone had in mind.

At the risk of mansplaining, I suspect that actually was what they had in mind, though not exclusively. Friction doesn’t inherently mean PIV. Clitoral stimulation is still down to (the proper amount and application of) friction and (fuckloads of) nerve endings to sense it.

But more importantly, I also think that’s an overly simplistic way of seeing sexual gratification. Sex with a partner is sometimes less directly pleasurable, since the owner of the equipment often (though not always, thanks repression) knows best how to make it feel good, but sex with a partner is still usually better because of the intimacy that comes into play. And sex with a long-term partner can be exceptionally good, because you learn better and better what the other person needs.

(Obviously everyone is different though, and there are always going to be individuals with different experiences and preferences. The world is full of spectrums, not well-defined lines.)

Amro ,
@Amro@kbin.social avatar

@zephyreks Yeah, right. Claim it for God when I work so hard for it!

superbirra ,

UNLESS…

BruceTwarzen ,

That doesn't mean you can diddle kids you weirdo

TrickDacy ,

Ah yes that’s obviously what he said

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