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Skkorm ,

Large dog breeds need to be trained very carefully. My friends have a 100 lbs husky, just a massive wolf looking dog. When he was a pup, he was food protective, so they made sure to train that behavior completely out of Steel(the dog).

In the present day, Steel is 8 years old, in the prime of his physical size and health, and the sweetest boi. With different owners, he’d have negative habits that lead his behaviour and made him dangerous.

Revolucion ,

Ban pitbulls everywhere

n3m37h ,

Ban bad owners

Kiosade ,

Make it so you need to have proven you can properly take care of one/need a license to own one. But also, neuter/spay all existing ones so no more can be born. They’ve suffered enough from human stupidity, and there are plenty of other dogs out there to choose from that need love.

strawberrysocial ,

Ban both

AeonFelis ,

“XL bully dogs”? Have we stopped saying “pit bull” because of and I never got the memo?

iAvicenna ,
@iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

people should be required to have really serious animal rescue and psychology training to get one of these dogs (or else astronomical punishment). most people who get these dogs do so on a whim and because of their own unresolved ego issues.

JasonDJ ,

Some are good boys that need a home. We adopted a dog of unknown breed, they had his mom (who looked like a black mouth cur), who came in from a kill shelter pregnant.

I still don’t know what breed he is, really don’t care to find out. But he has a lot of bully features. Big puffy chest. Blocky head. Strong jaw. Smart. Highly emotional.

And he’s a fucking marshmallow. An 80lb slobbery marshmallow.

sploosh ,

The best dog I ever had was a pit. Sweet as pie, just wanted to cuddle and love. We chose him because he was a big meaty guy with the most adorable face you’d ever seen, and because he needed a home ASAP. We’d take him on walks and people would cat call him from passing cars, or literally stop us and ask if they could dog-sit. He spent nearly a decade with us, just loving and farting and cuddling and snoring.

He really didn’t need any help to become a great dog, except that I needed to train him that the cat was a friend and not something to chase and put our mouth on. That took all of a weekend, and that was after he’d been abandoned and abused for half a year before we got him. I know it’s not true for every individual, but many times all a dog really needs a a good home with people that love it.

iAvicenna ,
@iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

like with every “complex” living being there is of course a large spectrum. But to be on the safe side though anyone who wants to get a pit should be able to fairly certainly understand when a dog is stressed via physical cues and should be able to tell when a de-escalation is needed. And I am not talking about “I had dogs all my life I know what I am doing” kind of thing. More like if you are getting a pit from a shelter you should be required to get some serious mandatory training from a professional. This will (along with fines) will maybe help deter people who get pits for the sake of owning a ferocious dog.

aesthelete ,

It was two xl bully Yorkies I’m guessing.

AbackDeckWARLORD ,

Judging by this thread, I’m honestly surprised someone hasn’t said that Chihuahuas are more dangerous yet.

JasonDJ ,

I mean, you’re probably more likely to get bit by a Chihuahua than a pitbull.

But a pitbulls bite is a little bit worse.

Lettuceeatlettuce ,
@Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml avatar

Here’s a proposal: First, all dog breeding is regulated as strictly as bars with liquor licenses. Criminal charges and jail time if found doing it illegally.

Breeders and owners are required to have insurance coverage specific to dogs.

Owners are held liable for all damages their dog causes, no matter what. Your dog attacks somebody, mauls them and they seek settlement? It’s on the owners. If the owner cannot be determined, the breeder is held liable.

Or, just make dogs above say, 30 pounds illegal. “But what if your dog is little and just really fat and becomes over 30 pounds?” Then you are fined and told to get your dog healthy within a certain timeframe, say 90 days, or surrender the dog and pay a fine for neglect, or get charged with animal abuse.

“Well then, nobody would want to get/breed dogs that are anywhere close to 30 pounds full grown because of the risk of violating the law.” Yes…that’s good. The only dogs people would have are small dogs that can’t severely maul/kill people even if they do go off the rails.

“But what about hunters or sportspeople that use dogs to hunt or herd?” Plenty of herding/hunting dogs are within that 30 pound weight range, like Corgis or Beagles. Obviously there would be exceptions for government organizations that use large dogs for legitimate purposes like Saint Bernards for search and rescue.

“But muh gawd damn riaghts!!!” go cry about it.

Gradually_Adjusting ,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

He’s a proposal: you don’t need new Draconian laws every time something bad happens. That’s how politicians pass every bad law. Patriot act ring any bells?

Go contemplate.

Lettuceeatlettuce ,
@Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml avatar

Should be distributed laws, not centralized, but you’re a statist, so this convo won’t go any further.

Gradually_Adjusting ,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

this convo won’t go any further

You’re right about that, which is all that matters here.

kandoh ,

It always ends up the the dogs are kept in the yard or kenneled the entire time

11111one11111 ,

Idk if it’s the same everywhere but in my experience in America I have came across a huge range of canine breeds owned by a huge range of human breeds (quality of person) and 100% of the time the human was a caring person that loved their dog the breed is unnoticeable. On the other side, when the human is subpar the breed of the dog is more noticeable as an inverse correlation to how shitty the person is.

GiddyGap ,

This is the dog equivalent of “guns don’t kill people, people kill people.”

But without the gun, no one would be killed by the gun.

tooLikeTheNope ,

But without the gun, no one would be killed by the gun.

… those ones not killed by the gun would be killed by the next lethal device in place of it, it is the will which drives the action, not the device

Cypher ,

Your opinion is not grounded in fact as represented by statistics from a wide range of countries.

Pilferjinx ,

Guns are essentially magic spears. They pierce with great force at very large distances. The next down are toys in comparison.

GiddyGap ,

The will cannot drive the action without the tool.

tooLikeTheNope , (edited )

Then it will be something else.

Mind I’m not defending the free-guns-for-all policy so dear to a sadly large part of americans, I’m just saying that the tool is not the real issue, that one would be the finality of the action and the fecklessness, the morbidly carelessness and yet horrible thoroughness, attached to the though of ending or seriously harming another person. That one is a cultural problem, and very deep.

Sure guns were instrumental to spread and nourishing such culture, but if it wasn’t the gun then the will to kill would have been manifested through the next available tool.

GiddyGap , (edited )

What next tool are you talking about?

Guns are specifically designed to kill people as quickly and efficiently as possible and at great distance. Take that tool away and you put some serious limits on the will to kill.

Emmie , (edited )

Lmao but at least next lethal device isn’t something that has sole purpose of killing people.

Like how stupid you have to be… guns only and one numbero uno purpose is killing people. And they are fucking good at it, nothing else comes close.

A knife? Bitch please you have to get close, grab the victim and stab many times. It’s easier to run away from a blade than from a fucking bullet unless you are Neo.

What’s the purpose of legal gun ownership?? To defend against legal gun ownership. It’s a fucking ouroboros of stupidity.

Kedly ,

Guns are the easiest method to kill people with. A spree stabber isnt going to kill and main NEAR as many people before they are dealt with as a spree shooter will

n3m37h ,

This guy went pretty hard

Kedly ,

Bud, 6 fatalities on the high end when you’re trying to compare against gun shootings is pretty low

cupcakezealot ,
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i get that some dogs just have a naturally high prey and aggression drive but a lot of times it has to do with learned behavior at home too :(

Valmond ,

No, it’s the video games fault!

/s

intensely_human ,

This. She must have been giving them treats whenever they killed her.

cornshark ,

Probably not, but just giving them attention (positive or negative) whenever they killed her, causing them to associate it with being engaged with

x4740N OP ,
@x4740N@lemmy.world avatar

Some dogs can also just snap by throwing a tantrum even when their owners take good care of them

Some dogs will tear up a couch when they have a tantrum, maybe bully dogs tear up people when having a tantrum

yamanii ,
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

Didn’t even need to put the breed in the title, we already know.

Woht24 ,

That’s very naive. There’s plenty of breeds of dogs that kill people.

Noel_Skum ,

Yeah, that’s true, but in the UK XL Bullies specifically have been doing all the maulings recently that have generated serious press coverage; also they themselves have just been added as the sixth (?) banned canine breed in the UK.

recapitated ,

In this thread, a fine demonstration of how hatred stems from fear which stems from ignorance and lack of experience, and a general lack of grasp on probs and stats. Par for the course.

Squizzy ,

Well how about enlightening people oh wise one instead of moaning

recapitated ,

I’m only here to help support an opinion counter to the masses. I’m not a professor. If I were, I wouldn’t be in the comment section.

jol ,

It’s always good to have someone with a stupid opinion to unite everyone else.

recapitated ,

I hope you don’t talk to the people in your actual personal life this way.

jol ,

Only my closest friends

GoodEye8 ,

But got haven’t presented a counter opinion to support. All you’ve done is complain about something you don’t like.

jol ,

I mean, it’s never the labrador that is in the news killing people.

Dasus ,

Almost as if a few hundred years of selective breeding for blood sports to an animal that is exceedingly fast at adapting might make it predisposed to… uhm… kicking off.

Treczoks ,

If she was unable to control them, she should not have gotten permission to own them in the first place.

Pyr_Pressure ,

Definitely think owning dogs should require a license and a test of some sort like driving a vehicle.

Can’t control a 120lb dog? Class B license instead of Class A license.

Only allowed to buy dogs under 100lbs.

Don’t understand how feeding and training works? No license for you.

Licenses for being able to own non-fixed animals as well. Being able to breed dogs and cats needs to come with way more responsibility as well.

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

Now do kids.

stephen01king ,

There should be, but I expect the unintended consequence is a severe drop in birth rate.

Pretzilla ,

unintended consequence desirable effect

stephen01king ,

Not always. See Japan and Korea, for instance.

Pretzilla ,

Let’s hope they figure out how to reduce population gracefully. It’s important to save the planet.

stephen01king ,

The problem is not reducing population, it’s to have our economic system be able to cope with population reduction instead of just collapsing. Do you think we have any hope of changing it for the better?

x4740N OP ,
@x4740N@lemmy.world avatar

Do you think we have any hope of changing it for the better?

We do by working towards post scarcity and transitioning away from capitalism

And if they try to stop it we force the transitioning

Kedly ,

We could also just move to space, we have the tech to start this process

derpgon ,

How is that bad? Less pollution and garbage, no need for as much housing (thus dropping house prices), no need for as many stores, vehicles, resources.

And less shitty parents, less homeless people, less crime. I see that as an absolute win.

Ookami38 ,

It TOTALLY won’t be structured in a way to keep people of certain classes unrelated to child rearing ability from essentially reproducing at all.

Dasus ,

And this is why we can’t have nice things democracy.

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

time.com/4192760/hitler-munich-excerpt/

derpgon ,

It was almost 100 years ago, but yeah, everything leads to Hitler eventually.

Dasus ,

No… no. Not everything, but rhetoric like in your comment.

You’re literally cheering on eugenics, with a false hope of what it would achieve.

derpgon ,

Alright, I should have prefaced this with “I assume society is working, there is no racism, corruption, non-cis non-hetero people have sufficient rights, and the government is working as intended.”

Of course, unfeasible right now.

Soggy ,

The unintended consequence is genocide. When people need permission to reproduce that introduces a convenient method to keep certain people from having kids.

echodot ,

I think that’s the point.

There are some people who just definitely don’t have the wherewithal to be parents. They can barely look after themselves, often they don’t look after themselves.

Part of the test would be to ask if you plan to name your kid after a Game Of Thrones character.

RIPandTERROR ,
@RIPandTERROR@sh.itjust.works avatar

👮

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

i think murder is already illegal

AlexisFR ,
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There is no need, birthrates are already falling.

Crashumbc ,

But the ones breeding shouldn’t be…

IvanOverdrive ,

Now do whatnow!? Are we still doing phrasing? That still a thing?

scrappydoo ,

The UK used to have dog licences, but they were abolished in 1987. …files.parliament.uk/…/RP98-6.pdf

The Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 was amended to ban XL bully dogs in February 2024 unless an exemption certificate is held. www.bbc.com/news/uk-66775985

x4740N OP ,
@x4740N@lemmy.world avatar

What if a dog grows over 100 american freedom units (lbs)

echodot ,

I’m assuming the fact that dogs grow would probably be accounted for in the license. It’s a well documented phenomenon.

Schmuppes ,

Those who toy with the devil are sure to get burned, huh?

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

and the two registered dogs were safely seized having been contained inside a room, a spokesperson for the Metropolitan police said.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/0e83de61-0d89-4ccd-bb4e-5717520b6de5.png

jaybone ,

What is confusing about this?

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

It’s a joke referencing American cops often shooting dogs for no reason

jaybone ,

Oh. In this case I’m guessing the dogs would be euthanized anyway, and probably even justified in being shot. This isn’t the SWAT teams weekly accidental break in to the wrong house.

barsquid ,

Accidental? These guys are bursting in on the basis of a VoIP phone call originating from behind a VPN.

veganpizza69 ,
@veganpizza69@lemmy.world avatar

Dogs Shot by Cops - Animal Legal Defense Fund

(US cops are famous for killing dogs)

x4740N OP ,
@x4740N@lemmy.world avatar

american police would have shot the dogs claiming “there was nothing we could do, we where scared they’d break through the door and eat us”

slaacaa ,

Very sorry for the life of this lady.

Shitbulls should be banned.

then_three_more ,

From the article

From 1 February, it became a criminal offence to own the XL bully breed in England and Wales without an exemption certificate. Anyone who owns one of the dogs must have had the animal neutered, have it microchipped and keep it muzzled and on a lead in public, among other restrictions.

So I’m guessing she got them before they were banned and had an exception so she didn’t have to have them destroyed.

deadbeef79000 ,

Or didn’t and simply flouted the law.

There’s a stereotype of people who own those breed(s) for a reason.

keesrif ,

The article did mention them as “registered”, so I don’t think this applies.

rickyrigatoni ,

Maybe they just had runescape accounts.

deadbeef79000 ,

Yeah I saw that but found it strange that it seemed to distinguish between registered dogs and certified owners.

Classy ,

The lady across the street from us used to own a small dog, I think it passed and she recently got an XL bully. She struggles to walk it, always looks angry with the dog, it’s always barking and glaring at me and my family. I have been carrying my gun more recently because I’m waiting for the day that dog decides to try to make a meal out of my two-year-old.

Why are dognuts the way they are? Just get a fucking pom.

Crashumbc ,

Gun nuts are worse

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