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Iran launches drone attack against Israel as Biden rushes to White House

Iran said it launched dozens of drones and ballistic missiles towards Israel on Saturday in a major attack following days of acute tension building up in the region and warnings from the US and elsewhere about a wider conflict erupting.

Air attack warning sirens began wailing over Jerusalem just before 2am local time on Sunday after the weapons were fired a few hours earlier from Iran with US and Jordanian military assisting Israel’s air defenses in intercepting the first incoming barrage.

With weapons believed to be still in the air en route to Israel, Iran’s mission to the United Nations posted on X: “Iran’s military action was in response to the Zionist regime’s aggression against our diplomatic premises in Damascus. The matter can be deemed concluded.”

However, it threatened more severe action in the face of further Israeli aggression and warned the US and Jordan specifically not to assist Israel.

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Edit: here are links to the NYT and BBC live feeds.

Edit 2: updated summary and archive to reflect article changes.

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

*iran defends itself after israel brazenly attacked their embassy in syria

dlpkl ,

Two shiteaters squabble. More at 6

TokenBoomer ,

Capitalism / hegemony

shortwavesurfer ,

I am going to take the US perspective in all this and ask why they fuck are we even getting involved? They are half a world away. Why are Israel and Turkey? US allies? What have they done for us? Because it seems like we give them an awful lot and don’t get very much in return. The US should focus on defending the US and let Israel, Iran and all the rest of them have their part of the world with their conflicts. Just leave us the hell out of it.

Edit: And we need to stay the hell out of their business and leave them the fuck alone to run their countries the way they want to.

shikitohno ,

I don’t know about Turkey, but US politicians mostly care about Israel because AIPAC pumps a ton of money into US politics, both in the form of funneling it to pro-Israel candidates, and ads and campaign funding against those who don’t bow down to swear fealty to Israel.

To a lesser extent, you also have a large chunk of fundamentalist Christians in the us who will support Israel no matter what because they believe Israel needs to exist as a nation with its full, Biblical territory, in order for Armageddon and the return of Jesus to occur. Just yet another way conservative Christians are trying to wreck the US for their insane beliefs.

TokenBoomer ,

You are correct. GDF just did a fantastic video breaking it all down.

GiddyGap ,

Sounds an awful lot like “America First”?

shortwavesurfer ,

As it should be, I would expect Israel to be Israel first. I would expect Iran to be Iran first. I would expect France to be France first. I would expect China to be China first, etc etc.

klemptor ,
@klemptor@startrek.website avatar

I wish we would all be Humans first.

shortwavesurfer ,

“And I will give you borders they’re imaginary lines. If you cross them, go to war and win when everybody dies. Don’t you see, I’m the system. My whole purpose is divide. What you do will never matter because everything is mine.”

“The System” - Tom Macdonald

TokenBoomer ,

Who is the manager of this system, I would like a word?

shortwavesurfer ,

That would be the goons that we refer to as governments and let them rule over us.

GiddyGap ,

That you, Donald?

EatATaco ,

It’s the Middle East. It has a huge amount of a particularly important strategic resource. Additionally, the countries there generally have, at best, a cold relationship with the US. If not outright adversarial.

Israel is smack dab in the middle of it with access to the sea. It holds a massively important strategic military and geopolitical position for the US.

So, sure, what the other poster says is definitely part of it, but I think what primarily drives US support to be seemingly unequivocal is that the US/Israel alliance is also very important to US geopolitical influence as well.

shortwavesurfer ,

As for that natural resource, we have quite a bit of it here in the United States itself. So we wouldn’t have to rely on them to get that resource. That, and if the US really wanted to break away, they could very seriously incentivize the purchase of electric mobility devices, such as electric bikes and scooters and cars.

EatATaco ,

The US is 10th on the list of oil reserves

6 of those above the US are in the middle east (or northern Africa, depending on how you draw your boundaries). 5 of those have more than twice the amount of the US. One has probably around 5x. The US is burning through reserves right now, which is strategically a bad long term idea, IMO.

I agree with you that certain dependance can go away if we shift to electric. However, militarily speaking, oil is going to be king probably for a long time. And that’s what this is about. Not just making sure civilians can drive down the road cheaply, although that certainly plays a role.

MrSpArkle ,

Oil is crucial for agriculture and the production of vital chemicals and materials. We really shouldn’t be burning it.

JasonDJ ,

Gotta tell Ya’ll Qaeda that they’ll have to give up their trucks but they can keep plastic straws.

el_abuelo ,

The US is a net exporter of oil. They don’t have a hard dependency on the list and it doesn’t matter if they’re 6th or 60th - they have more than they need.

EatATaco ,

For now. They aren’t just thinking this very second.

Burn_The_Right ,

Israel is on that same list. Israel consistently increases tensions with our trade partners in the region. They are a liability to our trade negotiations, not an asset.

Burn_The_Right , (edited )

It has a huge amount of a particularly important strategic resource.

This is not accurate. There are multiple nearby allied/NATO countries in the area as well as carrier groups in the Med that more than cover what Israel offers us.

Israel does not offer us a unique strategic advantage in any scenario. They only increase tensions with our existing trade partners in the region and threaten to bring us into wars that they start. They are very much using us, and have been for decades. We allow/justify it because of religious and traditional reasons. Nothing more.

Biden is backing Israel because some of the U.S.'s biggest political donors (AIPAC) will shift their support back to the Republicans in the upcoming election if he doesn’t. Mark my words: Biden will back off Israel support the instant it becomes too late for certain donors to negatively affect the upcoming election.

freebee ,

You can’t be on top of the global trade and neglect strategic points that protect strategic trade routes. I mean, you can, but it will make USA shrink in global importance even faster. You leave, others fill the void, pay the price, reap the benefits. Isolationism isn’t likely to save the USA world dominance. Dominance which is the very biggest reason your currency is the most stable in the world: it’s backed by the biggest military apparatus ever, stop caring about the world, find out soon when your prices skyrocket and economy crashes. The real question is how the USA should behave in this, not if they should do a thing but rather what they should do.

shortwavesurfer ,

Oh, i hold very few blood notes. Let it crash. My gold will hold its value

Noodle07 ,

Ah you’re one of those people

shortwavesurfer ,

Yep

Burn_The_Right , (edited )

Israel offers absolutely no unique strategic value to U.S. trade or military logistics. There are nearby NATO countries, bases in nearby allied countries as well as carriers in the Med that more than cover us.

Israel is only a liability to us. They exacerbate tensions with our existing trade partners in the region and risk bringing us into unecessary conflicts.

freebee ,

turkey has a strategic position towards the bosporus and russia, why they get away with a lot of bullshit too, israel is a more important as a reliable foot on the ground for guaranteeing the north end of the suez canal and the eastern end of the mediterranean. Cyprus also plays that role, but is also contested area greece/turkey. Never put all your eggs in one basket, that kind of thing. Carriers are nice but a always a risk (they might not seem so now, but you never know). Israel also offers an extra access point north side of the red sea, would the suez be unaccessible.

I’m not at all saying the usa should just blindly follow israel on its warpath as it has been for many decades. They should try to get netanyahu towards the exit, sooner the better, but just leaving israel altogether is probably not in the best interest for the usa itself, long term geostrategically.

DAMunzy ,
  • Oil
  • Shipping zones for commerce
  • Strategic locations for the above
Olgratin_Magmatoe ,

Not looking to be antagonizing, as you’re correct those are the reasons. But it should be said that they are stupid reasons. We should be weaning off oil as quickly as possible. The second point is in a lot of ways a hindrance, as shipping zones means shipping away manufacturing jobs.

And none of that is worth the price of war, or supporting genocide.

SuddenDownpour ,

Not to mention that plenty of countries through the world are capable of engaging in maritime commerce with Middle Eastern countries without having military bases there.

irreticent ,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

To be fair, they enjoy that luxury due to the fact that the US Navy protects the shipping lanes.

Olgratin_Magmatoe ,

It’s not like we wouldn’t use other ones if the area suddenly became unusable. Sure, it would be expensive. But hardly a need.

DAMunzy ,

Completely agree. Just listing what I could think of for reasons. 👐

Daft_ish ,

Coming soon to a US near you. Theirs no oppression like the oppression of a war on your homeland.

SuddenDownpour ,

Congratulations to the US for breaking apart any sort of pretension of support for international law by allowing Israel to do whatever the fuck they want. Now we’re going to let the crazed leadership of Iran and Israel to drag everyone around them and abroad into further military conflict. Goddamn morons don’t know how to say “this is too far”.

YeetPics ,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

Ah yes, the turmoil between Muslim and Jewish populations which has only existed since the founding of America in 1776.

I wonder if Biden ever regrets creating such dogmatic differences when he gave birth to the cultures of the fertile crescent.

mightyfoolish ,

This is an awful take. Jews and Muslim populations are not separate races that have fought since existence. Israeli’s are mostly German; they do not have a corresponding Muslim population.

  • Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Muslims lived fine together till Israel started 75 years ago.
  • Same with Iranian Jews and Iranian Muslims.
  • Same with Iraqis, Yemenis, and North Africans

Warden (War loving Biden) has focused more on Israel than abortion, legalizing marijuana, equality, health insurance, taxes, and everything else he promised since he has took office.

StormFather ,

TIL 1.3% is mostly from wiki

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/28001f29-ba05-4e83-a920-9a62c914a882.jpeg

also learned that 20% muslim arabs dont exist

As of 2019, Arab citizens of Israel composed 21 percent of the country’s total population.[54] About 82 percent of the Arab population in Israel are Sunni Muslims, a very small minority are Shia Muslims, another 9 percent are Druze, and around 9 percent are Christian (mostly Eastern Orthodox and Catholic denominations).

mightyfoolish ,

Everything from the table in your image is still considered as “German Jews.”

Arab Israelis are what Israelis call certain Palestinians but mostly the Bedouin that never identified as Palestinian (generally the desert south where nationality isn’t the norm). It’s not an accident that Israel is considered a Western nation. The people are from Europe (not that there’s anything wrong with Western values; it’s just they should belong in the countries developed them as their own culture).

StormFather ,

Bedouin make for about 10% of all muslims in Israel

In 2019, the official number of Arab residents in Israel was 1,890,000 people

According to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, as of 1999, 110,000 Bedouins live in the Negev, 50,000 in the Galilee and 10,000 in the central region of Israel

and most jews arent european either

There are no government statistics categorizing Israeli Jews as “Ashkenazi”, “Mizrahi”, etc, but studies and estimates have been conducted.[50][51] In a 2019 study, in a sample meant to be representative of the Israeli Jewish population, about 44.9% percent of Israel’s Jewish population were categorized as Mizrahi (defined as having grandparents born in North Africa or Asia), 31.8% were categorized as Ashkenazi (defined as having grandparents born in Europe, the Americas, Oceania and South Africa), 12.4% as “Soviet” (defined as having progenitors who came from the ex-USSR in 1989 or later), about 3% as Beta Israel (Ethiopia) and 7.9% as a mix of these, or other Jewish group

in what country does jewish culture belongs?

mightyfoolish , (edited )

Those in the area of places like Nazareth are simply Palestinians. Some of them seem to have a “Palestinian-Israeli” identity. As of now; they know of their Palestinian origins. They follow Palestinian traditions and are now starting to protest the war in Gaza (though it took them 6 months to get permission to protest I guess – perhaps you can clarify).

I’ll give you Haifa where so many Palestinians were killed or purged out, Arab culture may have gotten weaker. I have read that Haifa Palestinians fit best in Israeli society.

Looking around on the internet, I see that Jaffa has an actual “Palestinian” (not Palestinian-Israeli or Arab Israeli) identifying position. Which makes sense as Jaffa was a Palestinian town and Tel Aviv was built around it.

There are no government statistics categorizing Israeli Jews as “Ashkenazi”, “Mizrahi”, etc, but studies and estimates have been conducted.[50][51] In a 2019 study,

Is this self-identified or is it genetic based? I’m a little curious on how Israeli culture is affected by European Jews raising a lot of the North African

in what country does jewish culture belongs?

This is a loaded question. The Palestinians had to be pushed around a lot. I see posts about how Gaza actually had many Palestinian refugees. The issue isn’t Israeli’s are mainly Jewish; it’s about the crimes done by foreign actors against Palestinians who are the natives of Palestine. Your question FEELS more like “should not we keep punishing Palestinians for getting in the way of setting up a country on their land?” Another way to put it is why are Palestinians still paying for Hitler’s atrocities while Germany is doing so well?

Also, Germany and France have a lot of antisemitic laws, to answer your question directly.

edit: I guess I should call those laws anti-antisemitic laws

wewbull ,

TIL 1.3% is mostly from wiki

When classified over a single generation, sure.

I’m not sure if you’re aware but there was a massive migration about 80 years ago, and not many of those people are still around. That’s the 1.3%. Their offspring are the 44%

StormFather ,

the data refers to 2019 there were many migrations most of which were not from europe

DdCno1 ,

I'm impressed. Every single thing you just wrote is incorrect. That's a rare achievement, even around here. "Israeli's [sic] are mostly German" takes the cake though.

mightyfoolish ,

They don’t call them Ashkanazi Jews for no reason. Words have etymology. Ashkanaz is supposedly the Blibical ancestor of the areas centered around Germany, including Poland. This is why their language is derivative of German (Yiddish). Ober time they moved north into Ukraine and Russia, so Yiddish developed some Slavic words.

SuddenDownpour ,

I think the situation is serious enough to avoid making such ridiculous straw-men.

tocopherol ,
@tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Israel couldn’t function without continued US support, this isn’t some abstract, the US political establishment enables Israeli atrocities and turns a blind eye to their seizing of territory, even just last month Israel annexed Palestinian territory illegally with the full support of the West.

DAMunzy ,

“Crazed leadership of Iran”…which did a proportional retaliatory attack on Israel.

Israel’s response to Hamas is the crazy and the US backing of the genocide is also pretty crazy.

Of course, Iran isn’t the good guys but take a look and recognize that we are the baddies too!

speaker_hat ,

Iran government is a failing and trying to take down with it anything they can.

They thought that only Israel will defend itself , but also the power of the USA, Jordan, France and more where there to defeat it’s evil attack.

I hope for peace for everyone and the best of the Israeli and Iranian citizens.

ChippiChappa ,

The only evil the world see’s is Israels genocidal war of terror.

tocopherol ,
@tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

What was evil about Iran’s attack? It was in response to an attack on their territory, and only damaged military infrastructure with no deaths unlike every attack by Israel.

speaker_hat ,

I’ll fix the title:

Iran launches more than 300 drones and missiles at Israel overnight drone attack against Israel as Biden rushes to White House

Source: www.nytimes.com/live/…/israel-iran-gaza-war-news

Archived source: archive.md/UPTOA

TheEighthDoctor ,

The world is waking up to the fact that treaties are just papers and words mean nothing. Basically what Hitler did 80 years ago but now it’s every leader.

MrSpArkle ,

This is Iran trying to stir shit up to quell their internal rebellion.

Land_Strider ,

Of course it has no relation to Israel bombing their embassy in Syria. Of course Iran didn’t offer the not retaliate if Israel just fucking stopped their genocide.

Of course it is their internal shenanigans vs our valiant international justice movement.

Fuck off to Reddit or Xitter where you can keep on being the white or jewish supremacist troll.

MrSpArkle ,

When did I say it has no relation?

It’s related, but it’s an excuse for what Iran really wants. Similarly Iran does not really care about the Palestinians beyond their usefulness as a grudging pawn.

A proportional response from Iran would have been more rockets from Hezbollah, Hamas, or the Houthis. Or maybe a very limited drone attack on a specific target.

A response like this on the part of Iran is disproportionate, so there must be another motive. Iran isn’t so stupid as to think Israel won’t bomb the shit out of them, thus Iran must want to be bombed.

The only reason I can think of for Iran to want to be bombed is to quell their internal troubles. It feels like every other week another woman without a hijab is killed, or disappeared, or beat to shit, and every other month another protester is executed by the state. There is unrest in Iran, people are getting tired of the theocratic bullshit. So what better time to need an external threat?

Iran’s long-running narrative against israel, painting them as their great satan, could use a refresh, and what better way than to have israeli bombs fall on iran?

tocopherol ,
@tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

You must have missed the Israeli attack on Iran that led to this. Do you think any nation would just allow themselves to be bombed and their military officials killed without a response?

Fedizen ,

Netanyahu picked this fight, he should fight it himself. Otherwise its just encouraging other US allies to create chaos in bids for additional military support. Turkey is probably taking notes right now.

Land_Strider ,

Turkey is watching and taking notes about how the US supports full on genocide if you are Jew and doing it. If you are a Muslim or Turkish, the US will keep on supporting the local terror organizations like PKK through bordering YPG branch.

Turkey is researching ways to become Jewish.

Edit: Not just about the US but also the UK, France and Germany that oppresses protests against Israel’s genocide and arming Netanyahu with offensive weapons and using their own ships to defend against any retaliatory attacks. Turkey keeps thinking if her allies are the bad guys.

blazera ,
@blazera@lemmy.world avatar

Weird world we’re in. One country retaliating against another, and for some reason the reaction of a country on the other side of the world is the news. If only biden gave half as much of a shit about his own country.

aesthelete ,

Biden bad!

mlg ,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

I know this is not the time for this typa comment, but I’m really annoyed that what I said last week is proven true

Imma be completely honest and say that Iran probably won’t do anything except maybe throw some cruise missiles from afar that hit some random outpost or send a drone because they don’t want to risk anything.

I’d love to see a competent air force take on the IAF, but I don’t think anyone in the middle east actually has one besides Israel and the USA’s own bases.

This attack is over hyped and kinda lame. When India and Pakistan had beef in 2019, they had a whole ass air skirmish which ended with a captured pilot, fratricide’d helicopter, a crap ton of artillery barrages, and possibly a second aircraft shot down.

Regardless of the poor reasoning behind it, at least they had the guts to fight each other properly.

Iran is just sitting back and sending a swarm of drones that will probably fail to deal any damage proportional to their embassy attack, all the while escalating with Israel which gives both Israel and the USA a reason to send even more weapons and supplies and finish their job decimating Gaza.

aesthelete ,

This attack is over hyped and kinda lame

I feel so sorry for you, Internet poster, that this war isn’t living up to entertainment standards.

Sam_Bass ,

Unfortunately, that wont deter them

LadyAutumn ,
@LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

It feels like watching the Cuban missile crisis. A sinking uncomfortable feeling. I think the news has legitimately traumatized me. Breaking news means the next horrible thing has happened.

bradorsomething ,

Actual breaking news in a 24-hours news cycle is never a good thing.

CanadaPlus ,

Yep. Haven’t felt this way since Ukraine started.

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