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zombuey ,

Fake news, these are all crisis actors. They didn’t even try I’ve seen many of these people in movies!

TrenchcoatFullofBats ,

According to his lawyers, Alex Jones is a crisis actor

MargotRobbie ,
@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

These crisis actors can literally be anyone, it could be you, it could even be gasp me!

complacent_jerboa ,

incredibly based. fuck the execs. fucking parasites

CurlyWurlies4All ,
@CurlyWurlies4All@prxs.site avatar

Solidarity ✊

pineapplefriedrice ,

They’re fighting a losing battle, but I hope a side effect of it is that new people come in and change both the economics and artistry of Hollywood. Most Hollywood content sits in a very rigid box. It’s repetitive, unoriginal, and unappealing. People are encouraged to eat ramen for every meal in order to “make it”, simply because far too many of them try (which is partially the result of the “follow your dreams” narrative in America as well). The further down you are, the worse your compensation. Good ideas get missed or thrown out and relegated to dollar theatres all the time.

If this strike goes on long enough that it starts to flush people out, I’m ok with that. Sucks for the people who are going to lose their livelihoods, but for some of them that was an eventuality. Hopefully in the end creators will have more creative freedom and receive more proportional compensation.

Spesknight ,

The movie industry needs a bigger market for independent movies. Look at the videogames, the indies are holding the creativity among a similar crisis for the aaa titles as for the movies. We need an “EA Orginals” for the majors…

PopOfAfrica ,

I feel like A21 is doing this well, and releasing some bangers.

mrheadroom ,

Agreed, A21 has a few outstanding originals each year

MixedRaceHumanAI ,

A21 is for children and family, right?

WarmSoda ,

Yes. Bring your toddler to a A21 film.

PopOfAfrica ,

Marcelle the Shell is a family film… So yes?

Aux ,

Indy game industry has exploded thanks to benevolent monopoly of Steam. There was a chance for indy cinema when Netflix started, but that’s long gone with every studio having their own streaming service.

atzanteol ,

But I wanna see Indiana Jones 6: The search for more money!

itsJoelleScott ,

They’re fighting a losing battle, but I hope a side effect of it is that new people come in and change both the economics and artistry of Hollywood. Most Hollywood content sits in a very rigid box. It’s repetitive, unoriginal, and unappealing.

My two cents is there’s a structural issue that’s converged to strictly Campbellian story-telling as the end-all-be-all structure. Sure, you’ll have something come out of HBO or AppleTV that breaks it, but AAA movies rarely break it.

doggle ,

Good to see some solidarity. I wish it happened more. I’d have thought that the spread internet, allowing easy and covert communication, would have caused a proliferation in the number and efficacy of labor unions, but alas.

StalinIsMaiWaifu ,
@StalinIsMaiWaifu@lemmygrad.ml avatar

we’ve had generations of Americans come and go without the need* of unions, I think the positive communication aspects are outweighed by the negative culture ones

*unions are good for everyone, by need I mean the effects of neoliberalism hadn’t kneecapped the (white) working class until 2008

Tar_alcaran ,

we’ve had generations of Americans come and go without the need* of unions,

Thanks to the work of the unions formed by the generations before them.

SwallowsDick ,

The Internet has done a ton of that, around the world. But the news focuses on negative stories because, psychologically, humans are much more compelled by negative stories

phillycodehound ,
@phillycodehound@lemmy.world avatar

Good to see actors, many whom get just the base for their work, stand up for what they deserve.

WanderingPoltergeist ,
@WanderingPoltergeist@kbin.social avatar

Good, I hope more join in and walk until Hollywood caves...They won't like this negative attention. 😁

VentraSqwal ,

It’s too bad the directors guild already made that deal.

Capricorny90210 ,

What do you mean?

Capricorny90210 ,

What do you mean?

LetMeEatCake ,

The DGA ratified an agreement last month. If they hadn’t, we would have three major video unions on strike instead of two.

Capricorny90210 ,

Gotcha. Thanks!

cantstopthesignal ,

Having 20 writers so you don’t have to pay them as much really dilutes any narrative structure.

TendieMaster69 ,

I have mixed feelings about this. I hope they all are compensated fairly, but technology keeps getting better and capitalism latches on to the absolute cheapest solution. If that includes firing most employees and using AI to save billions a year then they will do it. I think this will just excacerbate AI proliferation in the end. Alas, no one gets paid to strike in America.

englishlad ,

This is why governments need to get involved legislationing profits from AI work. Shareholders can’t be the beneficiary of lower costs from AI when it means workers lose their jobs. There needs to be an AI specific tax, to support people losing their livelihoods.

vimdiesel ,

I think they are doing the right thing before AI gets firmly set in as the “norm” and that laws are put in place that movies have to use human actors, or they get labeled properly as AI movies so we can skip them if we don’t approve of AI taking over the industry.

boonhet ,

so we can skip them if we don’t approve of AI taking over the industry.

Spoiler alert: Nobody will give a fuck, people will watch AI movies, and human actors will lose their jobs.

The only question is, shall we tax AI usage and implement UBI? Or watch as entire industries full of people will be laid off? And HOW to tax AI usage? Just implement huge taxes on dividends, stock buybacks and annual salaries and bonuses > 10 mill?

HamSwagwich ,

Very true. The amount of luddites in this thread are amazing.

It sounds like angry old people telling at a car in the horse era. It’s happening whether you like it or not. Taxing it as a special case is ridiculous, especially since it just means you move your operations to a friendly jurisdiction that won’t tax you.

Happened with a large portion of Hollywood moving to Canada awhile back.

It will happen with AI. Embrace it and find a way to make money with it. Fighting it won’t do any good.

This is what separate successful people from failures. Most people are failures because they can’t envision a way to adapt so rail against progress. Those that see an opportunity instead of a problem are the ones they are going to succeed.

TheActualDevil ,

Yeah. Fuck collective action and an entire industry fighting for their own survival. You get yours!

funkless ,

the car replaced the horse, the plane replaced the ship, we still drive, we still travel.

My prediction is that AI will replace the PC like it replaced the typewriter, like it replaced the quill.

People will still write and act, but it will be a faster process.

Syringe ,

Just like the last writers strike produced an endless unmitigated firehose of reality TV and bastardized all the good TV channels, this move is going to double down on that model

AI isn’t going to be able to do what actors can do. Not for some time yet. The content will probably start off okay, but we’ve already seen issues with AI used for “creative” purposes. It sucks. The quality of content on streaming platforms is already hurting. This is going to make it even shittier.

Something will get figured out, because now there are gonna be a lot of people sitting around at home with no bread and no games.

Misconduct ,

Well, yeah. That’s part of why they’re on strike lol. They are very aware of that threat. Everyone is

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

The actors’ anti-AI protests are much, much stronger than the writers’ (and I say this as someone who is nevertheless 100% supportive of the writers’ demands vis-a-vis AI). Because the actors are literally talking about studios demanding to have the right to use their likeness. That’s not a technological hurdle that has to be overcome, it’s literally just profiting off of someone else’s image without having to pay them. A mere $200 to hire an actor for one day, and they own their likeness in perpetuity; that’s what studios are supposedly asking for.

The writers’ case is still very strong, in my opinion. Because their fear (and I think it’s very founded) is not that their jobs will be replaced by AI. Not in a real sense. But that they’ll be forced to do like 90% of the work for like 50% of the pay because of studios’ use of AI. The way studio credits/payment works for writers, “revising” an existing script pays less than writing a script fresh. So if the studios can create a really shitty script with AI and hand it to a writer who has to do a significant amount of work editing it to be in an actually-usable state. But because they’re being paid to revise it, not write it, they don’t get paid commensurate to the amount of work actually being done.

In theory, the writers’ case could eventually be harmed by actual use of AI in a way that the actors’ simply cannot (an AI could theoretically eventually replace an actor entirely, but that’s not the debate on the table right now). I think that “eventually” is much further away than most techbros seem to suggest, because frankly LLMs are just not as close to AGI as it seems they usually get thought of as. But that eventually could happen, and then the nature of a writers’ job will have to change more substantially in a way that does hurt them quite a bit more. Though it’s worth noting that AI is even further away from doing the less-obviously-“writery” work writers do, which often sets them on the path to becoming directors and producers, and without that pipeline for creating the higher-level roles, film studios are going to struggle to keep making films.

mindbender444 ,

Now I can finally catch up with my backlog!

Lenins2ndCat OP ,
@Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world avatar

How’s that boot taste?

atp2112 ,

As far as I’m aware, neither of the striking unions have called for a consumer boycott.

Lenins2ndCat OP ,
@Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world avatar

It’s just kind of disgusting to be saying this shit jovially when people’s lives and families are at stake and actors are publicly threatening to burn down CEO’s homes. It reeks of sociopathic shit having absolutely no empathy or support for what people are going through.

CeruleanRuin ,

He clarified his words after some people naturally started to take it a little too literally, but I don’t think he needed to.

Whoever that “anonymous exec” was who said they wouldn’t even start to negotiate until strikers started losing their homes deserves to be pilloried.

CeruleanRuin ,

He clarified his words after some people naturally started to take it a little too literally, but I don’t think he needed to.

Whoever that “anonymous exec” was who said they wouldn’t even start to negotiate until strikers started losing their homes deserves to be pilloried.

Lenins2ndCat OP ,
@Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world avatar

Pretty sure this walk back is simply because of the legal implications. It’s pretty obvious what he meant.

Pillory is too nice for them.

CeruleanRuin ,

Idunno, the pillory could get pretty brutal if the crowd was sufficiently riled up. It wasn’t uncommon for people to bring stones or bricks.

orphiebaby ,
@orphiebaby@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t know why you got downvoted. Because you watch TV? So what? Either way, I liked your comment!

kratoz29 ,

I hope all the industry did that kind of hiatus then (?

Smacks ,
@Smacks@lemmy.world avatar

Whole lot of the bigger establishments have been going through the ringer lately

Idea1407a ,

“Women and men, let no one miss today! Death to the machines!”

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TIEPilot ,

Probably the best thing that can happen to the world right now…

/Bye Felicia

SQL_InjectMe ,

Personally I think actors and writers are overpaid, but I support their right to strike. I also support the studios avoiding the strike by avoiding all SAG actors and other guilds because like I don’t think they’re that much better than non-union members

Lenins2ndCat OP ,
@Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world avatar

One of the main features of this strike is the companies are trying to get extras to sign away their likenesses. The companies then intend to use their likenesses “for eternity and in every universe” (the actual wording) as computer generated images to abolish their jobs entirely. Actors are not particularly happy about the attempt to get them to do work that will abolish their own existence, and the higher paid actors see it as inevitable that this expands to include them to if they don’t fight it now.

There is nobody avoiding the strike at this point. Everything has ground to a halt. If anything starts again the guilds for crews, camera operators etc are planning to join.

SQL_InjectMe ,

I do agree that it’s bullshit to pressure actors into signing away their likeness and knew this was a main feature, but SAG is joining the wave that WAG started and I don’t support increasing their residuals. WAG and SAG are basically the cool kids club of landed gentry. I believe people should be able to form unions to pursue self interests, but that doesn’t mean I blindly support every union strike.

Regarding union strikes, I personally don’t get why sanitation workers don’t strike to get a lot more money, they certainly deserve it.

Lenins2ndCat OP ,
@Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world avatar

Regarding union strikes, I personally don’t get why sanitation workers don’t strike to get a lot more money, they certainly deserve it.

Mostly caused by a lack of radical leadership. You tend to find the unions getting shit done have reds running them, often from groups like the IWW or other entryist parties or salters (Chris Smalls amazon union are leninists and it took an absolutely massive salting effort to achieve), doing work in this space is extremely difficult because entrenched liberals are do-nothings and shifting them out of leaderships is not simple as reaching workers and convincing them that the leadership is trash is a lot of long and very hard effort that often requires salting the workplace as well.

So tldr it’s about getting the people that want to stir shit up into those leadership positions and those people aren’t liberals.

jcg ,

What does salter mean in this context?

Lenins2ndCat OP ,
@Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world avatar

Salting is where many people join a company specifically with the goal of organising it and forming unions.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salting_(union_organizing)

These people will then work as organised cells within companies to spread propaganda and shift the rest of the workers towards a position that will result in an eventual successful union vote.

dudebro ,

That sounds nice. If we can replace labor with robots, then these actors can do something else useful for society.

Or they can continue to act if they really want to. They just won’t be making as much money, and that’s fine by me.

Lenins2ndCat OP ,
@Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world avatar

You’re talking about ruining the lives of tens of thousands of people with families and children, have some fucking empathy you psychopath.

DogMuffins ,

I think this is a little hyperbolic?

The vast majority of those actors have other careers.

“Ruining lives” probably isn’t accurate.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

The executives certainly want lives ruined.

dudebro ,

No, I’m not lol.

Calm down. Your emotions are controlling your argument.

These actors will do just fine if they can never act again. They’d just have to get a regular job like anyone else.

They’ll still be living a higher quality of life while working less than the vast majority of people on the planet.

You’re just mad that someone says we shouldn’t be passing a bunch of money around at the top. I suggest you brush up on the definitions of ‘want’ and ‘need’ because you call me a sociopath.

They don’t need more money. They want it, plain and simple.

I don’t care for people who want more money. Because they get it, others who need it don’t.

Snekeyes ,

People who need more money don’t ask for it. And those that don’t do. Sounds like a totally fabricated answer.

dudebro ,

What? I think you’re just saying things, lol.

Snekeyes ,

People who need more money don’t ask for it. And those that don’t do. Sounds like a totally fabricated answer.

Snekeyes ,

People who need more money don’t ask for it. And those that don’t do. Sounds like a totally fabricated answer.

Snekeyes ,

People who need more money don’t ask for it. And those that don’t do. Sounds like a totally fabricated answer.

CeruleanRuin , (edited )

Man, this comment is naive as hell. I’m disappointed to see so much anti-labor sentiment here. But what else should I expect from that username.

PsiOc ,

It’s really only one dude spamming every comment with replies lol

dudebro ,

What do you mean? I’m not anti-labor. I’m pro-progress.

Do you also think people shouldn’t be allowed to pump their own gas so someone else has a job?

kmkz_ninja ,

You’re an insufferable asshole and you will never understand why people see you that way.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You need to remember that this isn’t just about people at the top. Day players get $1000 a day for what can be a 20-hour day for a two-week shoot and then get nothing for a few months. They barely qualify for health insurance, which is often the reason they do it. They are, if anything underpaid.

Yes, there are extremely wealthy SAG-AFTRA members. There are also SAG-AFTRA members living in one-bedroom apartments.

Niggling_Niggard ,

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    dudebro ,

    They still get paid more and work less than the vast majority of people ever to walk to Earth.

    I have no sympathy for people in one of the most expensive cities in existence complaining about more money. They need to spend less, not make more.

    This is why we never solve things like world hunger; we’re too busy passing a bunch of money around at the top.

    Niggling_Niggard ,

    Except those on strike aren’t at the top. Go after the studio execs and owners to find the money.

    dudebro ,

    Globally speaking, yes they are.

    Anyone who has above average wealth doesn’t deserve more so long as children are starving.

    They get no sympathy from me.

    kmkz_ninja ,

    He says, with his above average wealth.

    cantstopthesignal ,

    They get paid more than people in poor countries, but they don’t live in a poor country. Their wage may be 10x higher but so is their cost of living. So they are still fucking broke.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Don’t bother. This guy basically believes that if you aren’t living in a mud hut in Africa, you have no right to complain about anything.

    CeruleanRuin ,

    He’s all over this thread and his opinions are the worst.

    dudebro ,

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    fidodo ,

    The super famous ones do but for every one of them there are thousands of poorly paid ones. What the studios are doing would remove the possibility of even becoming well paid in the future. These strikes are about helping the people not at the top, and about protecting their upward mobility.

    Ultraviolet ,

    The median income of SAG-AFTRA members is under $26K a year. A tiny, tiny percentage of actors are what you would call rich or even well off. Most have a second job and still struggle to pay rent.

    Hedup ,

    If there’s any silver lining to AI taking over entertainment industry, then that could hopefully be getting rid of celebrity worship.

    driving_crooner ,
    @driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

    If the following and drama that vtubers has can teach you something, is that celebrity worshipping is not going anywhere.

    speck ,

    Generated, Cartoon characters are already being worshipped, for sure this won't be a big leap

    topperharlie ,

    honestly, I can see this only affecting the little guy like always, big stars probably can afford to lawyer up and earn money for the AI usage of their image. Not to mention that adding extras in the background is many times easier to get away with rather than the main character

    LemmyExplain ,

    People will just transition to worshipping celebrity AIs. I for one welcome our new AI overlords…

    orphiebaby ,
    @orphiebaby@lemmy.world avatar

    Celebrity worship in some form or another will never go away.

    keeb420 ,

    id rather have ai producers and studio execs than ai actors.

    vimdiesel ,

    This is a bad take. Smooth brained people like to worship -something- whether it’s a deity, a politician, an actor, or an AI character. Only the faces change, it’s the same old situation.

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