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complacent_jerboa ,

incredibly based. fuck the execs. fucking parasites

Smacks ,
@Smacks@lemmy.world avatar

Whole lot of the bigger establishments have been going through the ringer lately

Nothus ,
@Nothus@infosec.pub avatar

Good. I hope they never come back. Theater is better when it’s local and in person, and everything coming out of the machine for the last twenty years has been total garbage.

nobody ,

You haven’t enjoyed a single movie from the past twenty years?

Sharkwellington ,

Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Nolan, Tarantino, Coen? Morons!

Millie ,

What’s it going to take to actually do something about these ultra-rich leeches literally destroying our planet and everything good on it to inflate a number in a bank somewhere? How do we actually build up the initiative to stop it?

All our other problems seem largely centered around our inability to appropriately respond to extreme greed. Not only in actually actively stopping it, but in even identifying it or being able to properly censure it in the first place. The moment you start talking about the rich being the cause of our problems, there’s a section of society that starts tuning you out. I definitely feel like as things get worse people are starting to catch on, but even once we’re there, where do we go?

If we actually get to the point of agreeing that excessive wealth is inherently misanthropic and should be a crime in and of itself, how do we make it a crime while so much power sits in the hands of those who’d be on the losing end of that decision?

I hope the WGA and SAG can spark a change in people’s consciousness around labor. I’d honestly love to see a lot more interviews and independent podcasts coming from the picket lines. If there’s anyone who can convince Americans to fight for the value of their labor, it’s the people write and play the parts in the stories they love.

ConTheLibrarian ,

We need enough people to agree on both a vehicle and a direction.

  • There are a lot of people dissatisfied with the current government(s) but don’t agree how to create change; be it through the current system, major modifications to the current system, or even more severe changes.
  • There are a lot of people who don’t want wide spread poverty/suffering, but don’t agree on how that problem should be dealt with; be it through universal income, massive public projects, or wealth taxation and better competition regulations.

IMO we need a new digital/decentralized/open-source/transparent ‘social media platform’ that can replace the current easily manipulated electoral systems.

We need ideas & policies to be independently actionable from the partisan politics that afaic specifically exist to mitigate change and maintain the influence of money in policy.

Mayoman68 ,

Not sure if this is directly applicable but there’s the concept of dual power, where you can organize a bottom up power structure that takes some power from the regular government without needing to either submit to it or outright overthrow it. With that said it has only ever been successful in cases where the government is incredibly unstable to begin with.

Danterious ,

I agree that that we do need something like a collective action platform so people can coordinate much better than they currently do. Also something that you didn’t directly mention but I think you imply is that there doesn’t need to be complete agreement before action is taken because there are alot of valid disagreements on how to move forward but there are also alot of agreements as well that are ignored in public conversation because we take those points as a default.

I’ve been working on something similar to this on my own time (which you can see in my post history) but honestly we won’t move forward if we don’t actively start working together properly.

SwallowsDick ,

The fact that most people will reflexively reject and wilt at the idea of a wealth cap, or at least enforceablely taxing every dollar made above a certain amount at 99%, is a testament to the many decades of often-subtle propaganda that makes people think that modern western capitalism is the only way. As well as the continuing de-funding of public education and making colleges less accessible.

Buddahriffic ,

And another part of the problem (and IMO one of the biggest ones) is that the propaganda is only their first line of defense. If the rich and ultra powerful feel actually threatened, they don’t have to rely on soft power. See Epstein’s fate as well as the Panama papers reporter.

assassin_aragorn ,

I want to add on some quick math. Some people will look at this and scoff, saying that actors are millionaires and are more similar to these billionaire leeches than to us. A billion isn’t a number you can easily wrap your head around – I have trouble putting it into the correct perspective and scale, and I’m an engineer. It’s really difficult. So to try and show exactly how much money we’re talking here, I’m going to use time:

  • 35k seconds, 9.7 hours
  • 70k seconds, 19.4 hours
  • 100k seconds, 1.16 days
  • 250k seconds, 2.9 days
  • 1m seconds, 11.6 days
  • 10m seconds, 115.7 days
  • 100m seconds, 3.2 years
  • 1b seconds, 31.7 years

I haven’t even lived for 1 billion seconds yet, and I’m 28! Even an actor who’s racked up $100m over a successful career is closer to $0 than they are to $1b. Now arguably I’d say $100m is at the point where it needs to be treated similarly to $1b, but even so. The average working adult is closer to an actor in terms of wealth than these disgusting hoarders.

In reality, every dollar isn’t equal, and what this analysis doesn’t take into account is the amount leftover after all necessities are paid for, which is the reason why someone making $35k is not living like a millionaire. The point here is, a billion is incredibly big. It’s unfathomable. Unless the person protesting is a billionaire, they’re on your side against the leeches and absurdly wealthy.

(I suspect this is why actors tend liberal and billionaires tend conservative.)

jkure2 ,

What’s it going to take to do something about these ultra rich assholes

Let’s be honest the only answer is [redacted], they effectively own the government in the US and it’s not much better in Europe

TrenchcoatFullofBats ,

But what are we going to DO about the 5–12 feet tall, blood-drinking, shape-shifting reptilian humanoids from the Alpha Draconis?

sediton ,

Not all revolutions require blood, but I feel like capitalism is going to fight real hard to stay around. Even though that’s exactly what needs to go

paddirn ,

Robin Hood Rebellion. Start taking from the rich and giving to the poor.

SCB ,

The moment you start talking about the rich being the cause of our problems, there’s a section of society that starts tuning you out.

That’s because this is an insane claim.

If we actually get to the point of agreeing that excessive wealth is inherently misanthropic and should be a crime in and of itself

This is a massive “If.” I could probably never be convinced that one person’s wealth is inherently detrimental to someone else’s well-being.

These are very extreme views. I support the Hollywood strike, my buddy is a union leader (as were both my parents), and I’m a reliably Democrat voter, and I couldn’t disagree more with what you’ve said above.

33KK ,

The thing is, you can’t get that rich by playing fair, it’s only possible at the expense of others. And I can assure you, most rich people are activelty making our lives worse.

SCB ,

Again that’s a huge claim with nothing to back it up.

33KK ,

Nothing? 💀 Show me a single billionaire that got rich by playing fair

SCB ,

Define “playing fair”

33KK ,

Anticonsumer, anticompetitive practices, corruption and lobbying in their own interest, propaganda, tax evasion…

SCB ,

I lobbied in my own interest not 15 minutes ago, as part of Citizens Climate Lobby. Just got off a zoom meeting with my rep. Lobbying is not inherently bad.

Can you prove tax evasion? That’s a serious crime.

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33KK ,

Yes, I didn’t mean that lobbying in general is bad, I mean lobbying against the interest of the public. It’s commonly done by basically any big corporation + propaganda to gaslight people into believing that its in their benefit ( an example i have on hand: web.archive.org/web/…/get-the-facts/ )

By tax evasion I mean in general doing anything to not have to pay tax, lobbying against rich people tax, keeping your assets as loans, etc.

I’ll look into the shameless plug

Rodeo ,

That’s because this is an insane claim.

Consider that they have the power to massively improve everyone’s lives but are choosing not to.

Perhaps they didn’t personally cause and create some of those problems, but they are still the only ones with the power to make the necessary changes, so the continuation of those problems is indeed their doing.

SCB ,

In what way does the logistics revolution spurred by Amazon’s growth not massively benefit every person who buys anything in the US? You’re seriously suggesting with a straight face, that Microsoft hasn’t saved literally hundreds of millions of lives just in database tech alone?

You’re talking out of your ass here man. Hell, you’re putting billionaires on par with running a government which is simply absurd.

It’s not on rich people to save the fucking world, though Bill Gates has personally done more for the world than most governments ever have. It’s on voters to pass policies that provide them better lives. That’s the point of democracy

Rodeo ,

Are you serious lmao

You think billionaires have no influence on government? Please

SCB ,

I think you don’t understand how government functions in any real way at all

knivesandchives ,

That’s a really good question. Part of the problem, of course, is that the game is rigged: consider how difficult it is to buy food that doesn’t feed the Nestle war chest.

As a society, I think there are moves in the right direction - I just stumbled across something called Community Wealth Building, which is very cool, for example.

But as a private individual? That’s harder. I’d love it if there were an Amazon equivalent out there that sourced exclusively from worker owned co-ops, or at least unionized businesses, but as it is, I’m coming up dry…

doggle ,

Good to see some solidarity. I wish it happened more. I’d have thought that the spread internet, allowing easy and covert communication, would have caused a proliferation in the number and efficacy of labor unions, but alas.

StalinIsMaiWaifu ,
@StalinIsMaiWaifu@lemmygrad.ml avatar

we’ve had generations of Americans come and go without the need* of unions, I think the positive communication aspects are outweighed by the negative culture ones

*unions are good for everyone, by need I mean the effects of neoliberalism hadn’t kneecapped the (white) working class until 2008

Tar_alcaran ,

we’ve had generations of Americans come and go without the need* of unions,

Thanks to the work of the unions formed by the generations before them.

SwallowsDick ,

The Internet has done a ton of that, around the world. But the news focuses on negative stories because, psychologically, humans are much more compelled by negative stories

EmperorHenry ,
@EmperorHenry@lemmy.world avatar

I’m glad more and more workers are realizing the power they have over the industries they’re working in.

Without the workers, the businesses have nothing. We really need to have a serious revolution before they replace all jobs with AI robots.

zombuey ,

Fake news, these are all crisis actors. They didn’t even try I’ve seen many of these people in movies!

TrenchcoatFullofBats ,

According to his lawyers, Alex Jones is a crisis actor

MargotRobbie ,
@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

These crisis actors can literally be anyone, it could be you, it could even be gasp me!

Idea1407a ,

“Women and men, let no one miss today! Death to the machines!”

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GammaScorpii ,

Hollywood is dead anyway. They just make superhero movies for china now

MixedRaceHumanAI ,

好萊塢沒有死。

Upwuarkdownquark ,

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    CodeMonkeyDance ,

    jejeje

    EmperorHenry ,
    @EmperorHenry@lemmy.world avatar

    They’ve been making alternate versions of every movie for china since 2008. Especially disney. Disney is such a cuck to china that they declared all the winnie the pooh characters as public domain to appease Ping.

    TrenchcoatFullofBats ,

    I wonder what the Chinese version of Cocaine Bear is like

    ansimation ,

    boo hoo

    Lenins2ndCat OP ,
    @Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world avatar

    🥾 👅

    DJVIIIMan ,

    It’s not like they were producing anything new or original anyway. I’m not entirely sure I care.

    phillycodehound ,
    @phillycodehound@lemmy.world avatar

    Good to see actors, many whom get just the base for their work, stand up for what they deserve.

    csolisr ,

    On one hand, Hollywood is abusive both economically and ethically. On the other hand, I despise copyright-based industries and the workers that uphold them. I can’t bring myself to support anyone in this conflict.

    Lenins2ndCat OP ,
    @Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world avatar

    Workers don’t exactly get a choice about property laws mate. Workers do not own private property.

    Open ,
    @Open@lemmy.world avatar

    Is $25,000 per annum a living wage LA? To think that these are getting so little is nuts.

    ivemadeamoostake ,
    @ivemadeamoostake@lemmy.ca avatar

    Good question! I looked up the poverty line in LA specifically. And here are the results:

    Persons in Family Household - ​Poverty Guideline (annually): 1 person - $​14,580 / 2 persons - $19,720 / 3 persons - $24,860

    This is a very quick look for an answer. I don’t fully understand the results.

    The long and short of it is $25,000/year is over the poverty line for a single person household but barely over the poverty line for a 2 person household. It is the poverty line for a household of 3 or more people.

    It is unclear how this factors in housing, and if it includes owning property and renting. A 3 person household is generally considered to be two adults and a child or dependant. Livable, depends on what you considered livable. If owning a house and starting a family is part of having a libable life, I would say they are probably not earning a livable wage.

    Source: Californial Department of Public Health https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DOA/Pages/OA_ADAP_Federal_Poverty_Guideline_Chart.aspx

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    potoo22 ,

    That chart looks like it uses the federal poverty line. A sweeping guideline to cover all of the US.

    Wenchette ,
    @Wenchette@lemmy.ml avatar

    Not even close

    Nihilistic_Mystics ,

    “Low income”, as defined by the state, is anything below $70,650 in Los Angeles county.

    WarmSoda ,

    I imagine that’s poverty in any state

    Clown_Tempura ,

    Wow it’s almost like people’s tolerance for ruthless exploitation isn’t infinite. Hollywood’s disgusting parasitic grifters can get fucked.

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