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TIEPilot ,

Probably the best thing that can happen to the world right now…

/Bye Felicia

reksas ,

Fuck hollywood.

This would be good opportunity for people to start new film studios and such, founded on more equal profit sharing. Let greedy pieces of shit shrivel and die without labor to exploit. There is no negotiating with those kinds of people as they will just try to find ways to force and manipulate people to do what they want.

Aux ,

It’s ironic that Hollywood was created by filmmakers and actors who got tired of being exploited by investors and cinemas alike.

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

It’s the circle of liiiiiife capitalism.

Aux ,

How’s that capitalism?

potoo22 ,

People dislike a greedy business.
Start a humble competing business.
Greedy business falls in line or fails.
Competing business now free to push profits, becoming greedy business.
People dislike a greedy business.

Aux ,

Wut? Are you 13 years old or something?

randon31415 ,

People dislike a greedy business. Start a humble competing business. Greedy business lowers prices to crush competition, or buys it outright. People continue to dislike a greedy business.

Idea1407a ,

“Money makes the world go around…”

“Greed is good”

Making money is fine, but at what cost?

Hypersapien ,

Actually, they moved to Hollywood so they wouldn’t be under Edison’s camera patents.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

They should call it “United Artists”!

And… Jeff Bezos already owns it.

TwoGems , (edited )
@TwoGems@lemmy.world avatar

Ribbit

Amazed ,

Charlie Chaplin did a similar thing - United Artists. Then it got sold to MGM. and so on

TrenchcoatFullofBats ,

It’s also worth noting that many of the “indie” production companies are backed by billionaire money. For example, Annapurna (movies: Her, Zero Dark Thirty, American Hustle, games: Journey, Stray, Kentucky Route Zero, Outer Wilds) was founded by Megan Ellison, the daughter of Larry Ellison of Oracle software, worth about $150 billion.

Indian Paintbrush, the production company that has financed all of Wes Anderson’s movies since 2007, is run by Steven Rales, CEO of Danaher, worth $7.3 billion.

It’s not just production or indie firms either - CAA (Creative Artists Agency) talent agency that represents people like Tom Hanks, Steven Spielberg, The Weeknd, Bob Dylan, Aubrey Plaza, Bradley Cooper, Cardi B, Chris (Evans, Hemsworth and Pine), Salma Hayek and thousands of writers, producers and directors, is currently in final talks to be purchased by Francois-Henri Pinaul, who owns Gucci, Balenciaga, Girard-Perregaux and Christie’s auction house, is married to Salma Hayek, and is worth about $33 billion.

Rainmanslim ,

Let Hollywood burn.

vimdiesel ,

meh

lemmie689 ,
@lemmie689@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Burn Hollywood burn, taking down Tinseltown

Burn Hollywood burn, burn down to the ground

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pineapplefriedrice ,

They’re fighting a losing battle, but I hope a side effect of it is that new people come in and change both the economics and artistry of Hollywood. Most Hollywood content sits in a very rigid box. It’s repetitive, unoriginal, and unappealing. People are encouraged to eat ramen for every meal in order to “make it”, simply because far too many of them try (which is partially the result of the “follow your dreams” narrative in America as well). The further down you are, the worse your compensation. Good ideas get missed or thrown out and relegated to dollar theatres all the time.

If this strike goes on long enough that it starts to flush people out, I’m ok with that. Sucks for the people who are going to lose their livelihoods, but for some of them that was an eventuality. Hopefully in the end creators will have more creative freedom and receive more proportional compensation.

Spesknight ,

The movie industry needs a bigger market for independent movies. Look at the videogames, the indies are holding the creativity among a similar crisis for the aaa titles as for the movies. We need an “EA Orginals” for the majors…

PopOfAfrica ,

I feel like A21 is doing this well, and releasing some bangers.

mrheadroom ,

Agreed, A21 has a few outstanding originals each year

MixedRaceHumanAI ,

A21 is for children and family, right?

WarmSoda ,

Yes. Bring your toddler to a A21 film.

PopOfAfrica ,

Marcelle the Shell is a family film… So yes?

Aux ,

Indy game industry has exploded thanks to benevolent monopoly of Steam. There was a chance for indy cinema when Netflix started, but that’s long gone with every studio having their own streaming service.

atzanteol ,

But I wanna see Indiana Jones 6: The search for more money!

itsJoelleScott ,

They’re fighting a losing battle, but I hope a side effect of it is that new people come in and change both the economics and artistry of Hollywood. Most Hollywood content sits in a very rigid box. It’s repetitive, unoriginal, and unappealing.

My two cents is there’s a structural issue that’s converged to strictly Campbellian story-telling as the end-all-be-all structure. Sure, you’ll have something come out of HBO or AppleTV that breaks it, but AAA movies rarely break it.

thegreatgarbo ,

I for one, look forward to interacting with our sentient overlord artists. All hail AI.

TendieMaster69 ,

I have mixed feelings about this. I hope they all are compensated fairly, but technology keeps getting better and capitalism latches on to the absolute cheapest solution. If that includes firing most employees and using AI to save billions a year then they will do it. I think this will just excacerbate AI proliferation in the end. Alas, no one gets paid to strike in America.

englishlad ,

This is why governments need to get involved legislationing profits from AI work. Shareholders can’t be the beneficiary of lower costs from AI when it means workers lose their jobs. There needs to be an AI specific tax, to support people losing their livelihoods.

vimdiesel ,

I think they are doing the right thing before AI gets firmly set in as the “norm” and that laws are put in place that movies have to use human actors, or they get labeled properly as AI movies so we can skip them if we don’t approve of AI taking over the industry.

boonhet ,

so we can skip them if we don’t approve of AI taking over the industry.

Spoiler alert: Nobody will give a fuck, people will watch AI movies, and human actors will lose their jobs.

The only question is, shall we tax AI usage and implement UBI? Or watch as entire industries full of people will be laid off? And HOW to tax AI usage? Just implement huge taxes on dividends, stock buybacks and annual salaries and bonuses > 10 mill?

HamSwagwich ,

Very true. The amount of luddites in this thread are amazing.

It sounds like angry old people telling at a car in the horse era. It’s happening whether you like it or not. Taxing it as a special case is ridiculous, especially since it just means you move your operations to a friendly jurisdiction that won’t tax you.

Happened with a large portion of Hollywood moving to Canada awhile back.

It will happen with AI. Embrace it and find a way to make money with it. Fighting it won’t do any good.

This is what separate successful people from failures. Most people are failures because they can’t envision a way to adapt so rail against progress. Those that see an opportunity instead of a problem are the ones they are going to succeed.

TheActualDevil ,

Yeah. Fuck collective action and an entire industry fighting for their own survival. You get yours!

funkless ,

the car replaced the horse, the plane replaced the ship, we still drive, we still travel.

My prediction is that AI will replace the PC like it replaced the typewriter, like it replaced the quill.

People will still write and act, but it will be a faster process.

Syringe ,

Just like the last writers strike produced an endless unmitigated firehose of reality TV and bastardized all the good TV channels, this move is going to double down on that model

AI isn’t going to be able to do what actors can do. Not for some time yet. The content will probably start off okay, but we’ve already seen issues with AI used for “creative” purposes. It sucks. The quality of content on streaming platforms is already hurting. This is going to make it even shittier.

Something will get figured out, because now there are gonna be a lot of people sitting around at home with no bread and no games.

Misconduct ,

Well, yeah. That’s part of why they’re on strike lol. They are very aware of that threat. Everyone is

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

The actors’ anti-AI protests are much, much stronger than the writers’ (and I say this as someone who is nevertheless 100% supportive of the writers’ demands vis-a-vis AI). Because the actors are literally talking about studios demanding to have the right to use their likeness. That’s not a technological hurdle that has to be overcome, it’s literally just profiting off of someone else’s image without having to pay them. A mere $200 to hire an actor for one day, and they own their likeness in perpetuity; that’s what studios are supposedly asking for.

The writers’ case is still very strong, in my opinion. Because their fear (and I think it’s very founded) is not that their jobs will be replaced by AI. Not in a real sense. But that they’ll be forced to do like 90% of the work for like 50% of the pay because of studios’ use of AI. The way studio credits/payment works for writers, “revising” an existing script pays less than writing a script fresh. So if the studios can create a really shitty script with AI and hand it to a writer who has to do a significant amount of work editing it to be in an actually-usable state. But because they’re being paid to revise it, not write it, they don’t get paid commensurate to the amount of work actually being done.

In theory, the writers’ case could eventually be harmed by actual use of AI in a way that the actors’ simply cannot (an AI could theoretically eventually replace an actor entirely, but that’s not the debate on the table right now). I think that “eventually” is much further away than most techbros seem to suggest, because frankly LLMs are just not as close to AGI as it seems they usually get thought of as. But that eventually could happen, and then the nature of a writers’ job will have to change more substantially in a way that does hurt them quite a bit more. Though it’s worth noting that AI is even further away from doing the less-obviously-“writery” work writers do, which often sets them on the path to becoming directors and producers, and without that pipeline for creating the higher-level roles, film studios are going to struggle to keep making films.

cantstopthesignal ,

Having 20 writers so you don’t have to pay them as much really dilutes any narrative structure.

fugepe ,

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    GentlemanLoser ,

    Tribe? Explain please

    S_204 ,

    Kinda feels dog whistley to you too hey?

    Could be because I’m a Jew, but member of the tribe is a pretty familiar phrase over here.

    JdW ,

    Check their other comments. Just block and move on, stands to reason many of the racists and shitposters move over as well I am afraid.

    cantstopthesignal ,

    Probably referring to the 12 tribes. I try not to apply to much logic to racist shit. Waste of time.

    dudebro ,

    Good. They make crap anyways.

    SQL_InjectMe ,

    Personally I think actors and writers are overpaid, but I support their right to strike. I also support the studios avoiding the strike by avoiding all SAG actors and other guilds because like I don’t think they’re that much better than non-union members

    Lenins2ndCat OP ,
    @Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world avatar

    One of the main features of this strike is the companies are trying to get extras to sign away their likenesses. The companies then intend to use their likenesses “for eternity and in every universe” (the actual wording) as computer generated images to abolish their jobs entirely. Actors are not particularly happy about the attempt to get them to do work that will abolish their own existence, and the higher paid actors see it as inevitable that this expands to include them to if they don’t fight it now.

    There is nobody avoiding the strike at this point. Everything has ground to a halt. If anything starts again the guilds for crews, camera operators etc are planning to join.

    SQL_InjectMe ,

    I do agree that it’s bullshit to pressure actors into signing away their likeness and knew this was a main feature, but SAG is joining the wave that WAG started and I don’t support increasing their residuals. WAG and SAG are basically the cool kids club of landed gentry. I believe people should be able to form unions to pursue self interests, but that doesn’t mean I blindly support every union strike.

    Regarding union strikes, I personally don’t get why sanitation workers don’t strike to get a lot more money, they certainly deserve it.

    Lenins2ndCat OP ,
    @Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world avatar

    Regarding union strikes, I personally don’t get why sanitation workers don’t strike to get a lot more money, they certainly deserve it.

    Mostly caused by a lack of radical leadership. You tend to find the unions getting shit done have reds running them, often from groups like the IWW or other entryist parties or salters (Chris Smalls amazon union are leninists and it took an absolutely massive salting effort to achieve), doing work in this space is extremely difficult because entrenched liberals are do-nothings and shifting them out of leaderships is not simple as reaching workers and convincing them that the leadership is trash is a lot of long and very hard effort that often requires salting the workplace as well.

    So tldr it’s about getting the people that want to stir shit up into those leadership positions and those people aren’t liberals.

    jcg ,

    What does salter mean in this context?

    Lenins2ndCat OP ,
    @Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world avatar

    Salting is where many people join a company specifically with the goal of organising it and forming unions.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salting_(union_organizing)

    These people will then work as organised cells within companies to spread propaganda and shift the rest of the workers towards a position that will result in an eventual successful union vote.

    dudebro ,

    That sounds nice. If we can replace labor with robots, then these actors can do something else useful for society.

    Or they can continue to act if they really want to. They just won’t be making as much money, and that’s fine by me.

    Lenins2ndCat OP ,
    @Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world avatar

    You’re talking about ruining the lives of tens of thousands of people with families and children, have some fucking empathy you psychopath.

    DogMuffins ,

    I think this is a little hyperbolic?

    The vast majority of those actors have other careers.

    “Ruining lives” probably isn’t accurate.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    The executives certainly want lives ruined.

    dudebro ,

    No, I’m not lol.

    Calm down. Your emotions are controlling your argument.

    These actors will do just fine if they can never act again. They’d just have to get a regular job like anyone else.

    They’ll still be living a higher quality of life while working less than the vast majority of people on the planet.

    You’re just mad that someone says we shouldn’t be passing a bunch of money around at the top. I suggest you brush up on the definitions of ‘want’ and ‘need’ because you call me a sociopath.

    They don’t need more money. They want it, plain and simple.

    I don’t care for people who want more money. Because they get it, others who need it don’t.

    Snekeyes ,

    People who need more money don’t ask for it. And those that don’t do. Sounds like a totally fabricated answer.

    dudebro ,

    What? I think you’re just saying things, lol.

    Snekeyes ,

    People who need more money don’t ask for it. And those that don’t do. Sounds like a totally fabricated answer.

    Snekeyes ,

    People who need more money don’t ask for it. And those that don’t do. Sounds like a totally fabricated answer.

    Snekeyes ,

    People who need more money don’t ask for it. And those that don’t do. Sounds like a totally fabricated answer.

    CeruleanRuin , (edited )

    Man, this comment is naive as hell. I’m disappointed to see so much anti-labor sentiment here. But what else should I expect from that username.

    PsiOc ,

    It’s really only one dude spamming every comment with replies lol

    dudebro ,

    What do you mean? I’m not anti-labor. I’m pro-progress.

    Do you also think people shouldn’t be allowed to pump their own gas so someone else has a job?

    kmkz_ninja ,

    You’re an insufferable asshole and you will never understand why people see you that way.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    You need to remember that this isn’t just about people at the top. Day players get $1000 a day for what can be a 20-hour day for a two-week shoot and then get nothing for a few months. They barely qualify for health insurance, which is often the reason they do it. They are, if anything underpaid.

    Yes, there are extremely wealthy SAG-AFTRA members. There are also SAG-AFTRA members living in one-bedroom apartments.

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    dudebro ,

    They still get paid more and work less than the vast majority of people ever to walk to Earth.

    I have no sympathy for people in one of the most expensive cities in existence complaining about more money. They need to spend less, not make more.

    This is why we never solve things like world hunger; we’re too busy passing a bunch of money around at the top.

    Niggling_Niggard ,

    Except those on strike aren’t at the top. Go after the studio execs and owners to find the money.

    dudebro ,

    Globally speaking, yes they are.

    Anyone who has above average wealth doesn’t deserve more so long as children are starving.

    They get no sympathy from me.

    kmkz_ninja ,

    He says, with his above average wealth.

    cantstopthesignal ,

    They get paid more than people in poor countries, but they don’t live in a poor country. Their wage may be 10x higher but so is their cost of living. So they are still fucking broke.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Don’t bother. This guy basically believes that if you aren’t living in a mud hut in Africa, you have no right to complain about anything.

    CeruleanRuin ,

    He’s all over this thread and his opinions are the worst.

    dudebro ,

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    fidodo ,

    The super famous ones do but for every one of them there are thousands of poorly paid ones. What the studios are doing would remove the possibility of even becoming well paid in the future. These strikes are about helping the people not at the top, and about protecting their upward mobility.

    Ultraviolet ,

    The median income of SAG-AFTRA members is under $26K a year. A tiny, tiny percentage of actors are what you would call rich or even well off. Most have a second job and still struggle to pay rent.

    Pokethat ,

    I honestly don’t know how I feel. Most content feels like ‘consume our product/content and give us monthly fee’ instead of nice shows and movies. Everything seems to have a point where it pulls me out and I find myself questioning if I’m crazy or if everything feels like shit.

    There are some amazing gems, but for years it feels like Hollywood has cared less and less about making cool and engaging media and are instead of focusing on manipulating people.

    I’m sure the problem is coming from the top, but writers and actors have been pretty shit too

    dudebro ,

    Everything is shit. Quality is down and prices are up.

    People gladly have been lowering their standards for years so those profiting off of them can make even more money.

    Most actors are awful these days. Like, look at Chris Pratt lmao. That guy is terrible but very popular among children and manchildren.

    We don’t have this generations’ Tom Hanks yet.

    The only way to watch live action stuff that isn’t kiddie-bullshit is to watch things in other languages. They still have integrity and aren’t just loading their actors up on cocaine to cover up bad acting.

    Snekeyes ,

    Um. So watch other languages. They have integrity and.no coke. Cause coke actors… they are low paid and have to stay up and beat their bodies down to get paid.

    Got it. This is fascinating fabrications Your imaginations almost rivals your thoughts.

    dudebro ,

    Ok. Believe what you want and watch what you want.

    Dogs_cant_look_up ,

    This is probably the worst take I’ve ever heard. It’s actually amazing how much i disagree with almost everything you’ve written here.

    And, Tom Hanks is still acting, Tom Hanks is literally this generations Tom Hanks.

    There’s so much excellent acting and directing in the world at the moment i just can’t fathom how you have come to your conclusions.

    dudebro ,

    I’m sorry, we’re just going to have to agree to disagree.

    Hope you like the new marvel movie coming out.

    FatCrab ,

    Yes, only marvel movies come out now. Everything else is actually banned at the moment. Christ, your takes are fucking awful.

    bassomitron ,

    Chris Pratt is definitely not a great actor, he’s mediocre at best. However, he’s in tons of blockbuster movies so that’s why he’s popular, not necessarily because people think he’s talented.

    The other stuff you said is just nonsense. There are tons of great, well written, acted, and directed movies. You just have to look outside the mainstream/blockbuster releases. If you only focus on the big releases from major studios like Disney, then yeah you’ll think that it’s nothing but shallow garbage. But there’s way more content nowadays, so it’s harder to sift thru the massive diluge of content out there.

    dudebro ,

    There are not ‘tons.’ There is very few quality content out there these days.

    I’m not saying it doesn’t exist, but it’s becoming harder and harder to find in a sea of shit perpetuated by people with low standards.

    tormeh ,

    www.metacritic.com/browse/movies/…/filtered

    funkless ,

    Banshees of Inisherin? The Whale? Everything Everywhere All At Once? Succession? The Bear?

    There’s loads of great acting out there. Maybe the issue is you’re buying tickets to Chris Pratt instead of other things?

    dudebro ,

    I’m not saying they don’t exist.

    But every big-name, big budget release these days is almost guaranteed to be trash.

    That wasn’t always the case. It’s only that way now because people’s standards are so low.

    pineapplefriedrice ,

    The big name movies now are so cringeworthy and require zero thought on the part of the viewer. I’d be almost embarrassed to go watch them. The worst part is that I used to watch them because there was just nothing else to see, until one day I was so bored that I walked out of the theatre. To my surprise, I was even approached and given a refund by the manager without asking… maybe they watched it too and understood the pain.

    vimdiesel ,

    You are equating “big name” with quality. That has almost never been true since movie blockbusters became a thing. Go ask any movie history buff/expert. You are very wrong if you think blockbusters were some kind of artsy tear jerkering, mind bending, raved over by critics products. They’ve almost always been formulaic.

    TheActualDevil ,

    But the first blockbuster movie is an arthouse masterpiece that really makes you look deep within yourself and wonder how big a shark could actually be.

    Jaws. It was Jaws.

    pineapplefriedrice ,

    But are those the things that get marketing? I’m with you on loving that content, but none of the main theatres in my area (a city of 7 million) even show them. A couple will put them into the standard screen theatres at oddball times to fulfill their contracts, but the good content is in the local dollar theatres where, of course, the movie gets less traffic.

    I think what they’re saying is that the movies that you’re “supposed” to watch are things like those god awful Harry Potter prequels (literally any fanfic amateur could have written them better), the ten thousandth Marvel movie (seriously, just stop), or those Adam-Sandler style low effort white trash movies that run solely on the recognition of the probably male and supposedly “so talented” lead actor.

    pineapplefriedrice ,

    But are those the things that get marketing? I’m with you on loving that content, but none of the main theatres in my area (a city of 7 million) even show them. A couple will put them into the standard screen theatres at oddball times to fulfill their contracts, but the good content is in the local dollar theatres where, of course, the movie gets less traffic.

    I think what they’re saying is that the movies that you’re “supposed” to watch are things like those god awful Harry Potter prequels (literally any fanfic amateur could have written them better), the ten thousandth Marvel movie (seriously, just stop), or those Adam-Sandler style low effort white trash movies that run solely on the recognition of the probably male and supposedly “so talented” lead actor.

    vimdiesel ,

    As a gen X I can tell you that quality is not down and that you have tunnel vision. Go watch some 80s/90s shows lmao. Most are garbage, with only a few gems. It has definitely gotten better as competition increased.

    evatronic ,

    There’s a bit of a point there, though. As summarized by Futurama,

    Fry: Married? Jenny can’t get married.

    Leela: Why not? It’s clever, it’s unexpected.

    Fry: But that’s not why people watch TV. Clever things make people feel stupid, and unexpected things make them feel scared.

    Hollywood caters to what people want. What people want is often not “good”.

    kale ,

    We remember the good movies and forget the schlock. We remember 1976 as “Taxi Driver” and not “The Gumball Rally”.

    PsiOc ,

    I’m interested to see how Hollywood evolves post strike. Hoping that this will allow Writers and Actors more agency when making their products rather than having to conform to whatever shitty money grubbing practices that the Execs usually force on them

    cantstopthesignal ,

    Having 20 writers so you don’t have to pay them as much really dilutes any narrative structure.

    doublenut ,

    Oh boy at this point most of them are just fighting for their jobs, not even worried about actually making the work they want to be. If thats the kind of change you want to see in Hollywood, its gotta come from the consumer.

    5in1k ,

    Hopefully the number of bombs this year is the message the consumer needed to send.

    gnarly ,
    @gnarly@lemmy.world avatar

    Gonna offer my two cents as someone who entered the industry during the last writer’s strike. You’ll see some interesting creative divergence as said creatives crave expression and reach out to new venues like YouTube for the first time. It was one of many changes to the industry at that (and now this) time. I use generative tech because it’s part of this exploration of the taboo. Back then, YouTube was the taboo because it was effectively working for free and with no insurance or protection by comparison to a stable studio gig. Take away the studio gig, anything and everything could be opportunity for change and especially so the longer this goes on tbf.

    Mikina ,

    This is one of the reasons why I strongly believe that if you want to do any kind of art and are passionate for it, you should never make your income depend on it. It’s why even though I’ve studied Masters in game development and was always passionate about games, I work as a Red Teamer in cybersecurity instead, and then work on my games as a hobby.

    And especially if we’re talking about games, where you can just get a regular IT job as a programmer that pays more than you will ever make (assuming you don’t get to work on a AAA project, but the you basically have zero agency about the game and are still just a code monkey), the best course of action (which I regret not doing, but my classmate did and is a lot better for it) is to just take advantage of the fact that IT pays comfortably, but instead of just making more money just work parttime for a “regular” pay, and use the free time for your projects.

    But every time an art becomes business, it will inevitably suffer for it. There are rare cases of small indie studios getting lucky to be able to uphold their vision and still earn enough to afford paying their employees comfortably, but sooner or later you get into a point where you just have to start considering stuff around marketing that’s totally unrelated to the art in itself, but usually forces you to compromise your vision

    I’m actually pretty glad that generative AIs will probably really soon replace most of the artists required for mass production of such big budget commercial titles - because then the only option of someone who wants to do that kind of art will be a smaller indie studio or a hobby project, which may not be as successful and will probably end up as a niche, but it will also mean that a lot less artists end up with their passion sucked out and destroyed by execs forcing them to do shitty generic money grubbing stuff - because that will be done by AIs, and keep on being as generic as it is now.

    Jordan_the_hutt ,

    I think that’s in part due to nepotism. It seems like everyone who’s successfully in entertainment is the child or grandchild of someone else who was successful in entertainment. The same is true for the music industry and its starting to become true in the AAA gaming industry.

    When people start to get those jobs because of their family connections rather than their ability everything goes downhill. The most obvious example outside of entertainment is politics.

    vimdiesel ,

    You’re worried about the 1%, this is about the 99% behind the scenes, doing supporting roles, building sets, etc . Don’t let movie execs take your eyes off the prize, that’s what they want.

    solstice ,

    I’ve barely even noticed this writers strike because I haven’t watched any Hollywood movies or watched any new TV shows and it literally years. Everything I’ve watched recently has been complete garbage. So I find myself watching older shows again and again, more YouTube content, educational and history stuff like that…heck, I’ve been following some modern film critics like Red Letter Media and just watch their commentary vs the real thing, and it’s usually much more entertaining.

    I think Hollywood is going to use this opportunity to replace the writers with AI. If it works great, if it doesn’t work, nobody will notice or care.

    QuarterSwede ,
    @QuarterSwede@lemmy.world avatar

    I subscribed to Britbox and find the writing and acting of much higher quality. Plus, the stories are generally more interesting with more feeling. I mainly watch that, watchTCM, and certain YouTube channels.

    LetMeEatCake ,

    Other than the nightly shows, you won’t be seeing the impacts of these strikes for months. Films and shows take a lot of time to go from inception to finished product. For movies I wouldn’t be surprised if the impact doesn’t happen until next year.

    evatronic ,

    To wit – we’re just now, seeing the tail-end of a lot of the COVID-19 shutdowns percolate up through the delayed releases and shortened seasons for a bunch of shows, and most of those shutdowns were gosh, almost 2 years ago now.

    vimdiesel ,

    Actors and writers use what they’re fed, this is 99% on movie execs.

    bobman ,

    If you want a gem, I recommend checking out Undone. It’s by the same guy who made Bojack Horseman.

    You can stream it for free here: fmovies.to/tv/undone-70zyj/1-1

    Just make sure you have a good adblocker, like uBlock Origin.

    BrazenSigilos , (edited )

    Oh no! Anyway…

    Edit: In case the subtlety slipped by some folks, I was pointing out how very unimportant the film industry is as a whole. I stand by the folks striking for better conditions and pay, but without Hollywood the world will continue on. Humanity doesn’t need a new Marvel movie to survive the next year. Food, water, construction, transportation, these things are critical infrastructure. But I do not care if Hollywood stops making cookie cutter movies for a while, let the studios feel the crunch. Who can honestly say they are totally caught up on all the shows they want to watch, anyway? Go watch something you didn’t have time for before, because the newest season of “Someone else’s life” just aired. Go make a new friend, read a new book, or explore a new place. Don’t want to or can’t for some reason? Ok, go watch anything else, there is more media then you consume in a lifetime available for you to peruse on the internet.

    Lenins2ndCat OP ,
    @Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world avatar

    How’s that boot taste?

    dudebro ,

    The actors are also stepping on others.

    They care more about living well I’m Hollywood than children in Burundi getting food and water.

    All this money is so they can live as lavish a life as possible and show off to their friends. They want this money for acting instead of doing something else useful for society.

    They get mad when I point out they don’t work that hard and have a lot of excess wealth.

    zouden ,

    They get mad when I point out they don’t work that hard and have a lot of excess wealth.

    I think this is an imaginary conversation you have while in the shower

    dudebro ,

    No, it’s what I witness whenever I call it out.

    kmkz_ninja ,

    What do you do for a living? I’m certain I can come up with some reductive asshole argument about how you’re hurting some.

    Lenins2ndCat OP ,
    @Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world avatar

    The workers have no control over anything in Burundi. What a bizarre thing to attack them with.

    BrazenSigilos , (edited )

    What boot? The boot of the industrial propaganda machine that I’m refusing to be concerned about when it just might have to slow down on producing another cinematic universe for merchandising? Screw the studios, let them deflate a little while the people who do the work strike for better conditions and wages. I’m sure the next Thor movie can wait a couple more years before becoming a lunchbox.

    Lenins2ndCat OP ,
    @Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world avatar

    The workers get to choose what gets produced do they?

    You are complaining about exactly the same people that the workers are striking against.

    BrazenSigilos ,

    You are complaining about exactly the same people that the workers are striking against.

    Yes, because as a worker of any kind, I stand in solidarity with the people who are looking for fair compensation for their time and work.

    The workers get to choose what gets produced do they?

    Yes. If I work at a chemical plant, then find out the plant has been poisoning the town I live in, my most effective way to stop that happening is to refuse to make more poison and convince as many of my neighbors and colleagues who work with me to do the same. The boss won’t come down from his office and make it himself, will he? As the person making it, I’m morally responsible for it’s existence.

    Lenins2ndCat OP ,
    @Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world avatar

    Right. The impression given by your original post (pre edit) was that of not caring about the workers, I’ve just seen that edit and see the misunderstanding here now.

    BrazenSigilos ,

    Yeah, my mistake. I realized that afterwards, hence the edit. That’s what I get for trying to use a meme response, I need to be clearer in my reactions.

    Lenins2ndCat OP ,
    @Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world avatar

    o7

    TokenBoomer ,

    To add; this is, in my opinion a bigger deal than UPS. There are other freight companies. It’s bigger than the railroads. We have other shipping. We only have one Hollywood. Entertainment sucked the last time they striked. It started all the reality shows.

    ThinlySlicedGlizzy ,

    I don’t care how fast AI can pump out “high quality content” because I refuse to consume any of it. I really hope the strikes are successful.

    tdawg ,

    honestly we need legislation that protects artists who use their art as a means to live

    dudebro ,

    No we don’t. They can do something else.

    It’s called the free market, baby.

    Blue collar workers have been finding new ways to make money ever since the industrial revolution. Don’t be a Luddite.

    If these people still want to make art, nobody is stopping them. They just have to get a real job too, like everyone else.

    It’s okay. I think they can survive and still lead a higher quality of life than the vast majority of people on the planet.

    wuddupdude ,

    The free market kind of sucks at making art and I think it’s okay and good for the government to subsidize it.

    ninekeysdown ,
    @ninekeysdown@lemmy.world avatar

    That is one way to view it. However due to everyone, in including blue collar workers, having their lively hoods threatened by AI we need to ask the question if were okay, as a society, for there to be more jobs eliminated than created. Are we okay with the current ways and (some would say the illusion of) the free market controlling everything? Are we okay with letting people suffer needlessly? Would you be okay with looking into the eyes of someone you know and saying “too bad that’s the free market baby!” Because it’s starting with the arts but it’s not stopping there. It’s only a matter of time before it will not need many warm bodies to do things. The knowledge works are next on the list and it won’t be long after that where manual labors will be impacted. This is all WAY before we even hit AGI.

    I’m not saying that AI taking jobs is a bad thing. I think it is an amazing thing but we need to start embracing it as an opportunity for things to be more Star Trek and less dystopian hellscape. That means changing this mindset that a lot of us have and start asking ourselves how do we want the world to look in 100 or even 500 years from now.

    HTH

    the_post_of_tom_joad ,

    They just have to get a real job too, like everyone else.

    Would you mind expanding on what a “real” vs “fake” job is? I disagree with the premise entirely but i am not taking you with a loaded question, i am honestly curious about what that means to you (and by extension what other people who use that term might mean)

    dudebro ,

    Jobs that are necessary for the survival of our species.

    Jobs that people don’t do for fun. They do it because it needs to get done.

    People will still act even if they don’t get paid for it. Will they, deliver food just for the fun of it? No, I didn’t think so.

    leftabitcharlie ,

    There’s no such thing as a job necessary for the survival of the human race. The only thing jobs protect is the economic system, which doesn’t care about the human race.

    cantstopthesignal , (edited )

    So like, North Korea. Just a bunch of farmers and the military. I’d rather live in a world with joy and innovation.

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    Lol EVERYTHING we do is necessary for our survival, because of the fact that it’s humans doing it.

    dudebro ,

    Ok.

    bobman ,

    I wonder what this comment said.

    tdawg ,

    You sound like a copypasta genertor

    RidcullyTheBrown ,

    If it is high quality, why do you care how it was produced?

    But it’s not the high quality content that’s threatened by AI, it’s the mediocre gargabe. It’s the endless stream of poor quality TV shows and movies which are produced not as art, but as a means of steady predictibile income for the companies involved. That’s the industry aspect of the business. This side of the business consumes most of the talent in the industry. They all know it’s not good and they all hope they will get the funding to actually work on the things they know will be high quality. I think AI will allow them to do that.

    Further more, this strike is not just about AI. I think this aspect is the one media outlets care most about and gets reported on more. The entertainment industry has suffered a major shift with streaming platforms and the movement of money from production studios to streaming platforms has left the employees behind. They’re getting less money from streaming platforms but still do the same work. That’s what the strike is about. The industry didn’t care for them when it changed.

    R51 ,

    To answer your question about quality: it matters because it’s not real. The act of producing something of quality is what makes us better people. It ties into motivation to be better. Computers automating repetition doesn’t hinder that (as much, it does affect learning curves). The notion that computers be used for an output that would normally require creativity is just throwing away the essense of creation, the end product is not the only thing that benefits us. There’s no objective to why it was created, an AI writing something that evokes emotion is a party trick. All it really does is promote consumption and demoralize innovation, and ironically it hides behind innovation as the end-goal of the project. It’s just dead. One of the most beautiful things within creating something of value is the very process of creating it, having the passion and desire to do so, and the will to bring it into existence. AI is a cursed attempt at trying to replicate this process, and by lifting that kind of burden from a human inhuman.

    dimlo ,

    i refuse to believe AI can replace totally of the human part in the industry. Yeah some of the weak actors will be pushed out as they are not doing the job good enough, but it’s inevitable that one day technology is advanced that AI can actually replace human workforce. Like car manufacturing industry that have massive machines to assemble car parts, but also there are things only human can do. We don’t need crappy scriptwriters writing rubbish soap opera that my 10 year old daughter can write because they are no more generic than a AI churn out script. It’s like hiring a typewriter operator in 2023. Or rubbish actors that are like reading their script out with minimal effort and skills. It does not make sense.

    dustyData ,

    typewriter operator in 2023

    There’s this people called stenographers who are paid quite well, they can write hundreds of words per minute and essentially transcribe a conversation in real time. They are hired by courts to create records of the sessions, by journalists, parliaments and to transcribe subtitles for audiovisual media. They use this cool typewriter like machine called a stenotype that was invented in 1880. The thing is, they tried to replace them with speech recognition computers. They discovered they needed a human to sanitize input for the computer, essentially a person who can speak really fast and really mechanically, repeating what others said in the room, or what was said in the movie or whatever, into an oxygen-mask-like sound proof microphone. So, they still had to pay someone to be there. Many places decided they could just pay the stenographer and receive higher quality products despite the slightly higher costs. Then YouTube tried to use machine learning to auto-create closed captions. Before that they used a community contribution approach that depended on volunteers to take some time to transcribe the subs. That change to automation was such a fiasco that some big YouTube channels now advertise that they pay an actual company with humans to do the closed captions for their videos in the name of proper quality accessibility. Because automated closed caption tends to do interesting stuff and it’s even worse when they try to throw auto-translation into the mix.

    The point is, people tend to not understand technology and how it relates to humans, specially techbros and techies who have the most skewed biases towards tech and little sociological understanding. Nothing can be accurately predicted in that realm, and most relations that result from the appearance of new technology are usually paradoxical to common sense.

    PipedLinkBot ,

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    MelonTheMan ,
    @MelonTheMan@lemmy.world avatar

    I agree with you when it comes to AI in its current form - I wouldn’t even call it a party trick, just dumb luck. Machine learning through repetition will use existing ideas and tropes.

    However you can provide the model with unique ideas, new tropes, characters, environments, and settings. The model in its current form could generate something nearly usable (script wise) and still be a valid piece of art with some cleaning up. Just because you save time doesn’t make an idea less “good”

    In the future we could have near sentient AI that generates actual pieces of art far faster and better than a person can.

    dudebro ,

    Lol, ok.

    I can’t wait for you to like something then change your mind when you find out it’s made by AI.

    Lol.

    RidcullyTheBrown ,

    There’s no objective to why it was created, an AI writing something that evokes emotion is a party trick.

    Then it’s not valuable. The question still stands: if something is truly valuable, does it matter how it was created? You are not answering this question, you are simply pointing out why AI in your opinion cannot produce art. My question is a bit “tongue in cheek”, of course. It cannot be truly answered without a specific example of creation. I’m asking it to prove a point: we’re dismissing something we don’t understand.

    All it really does is promote consumption and demoralize innovation

    I’d argue that this is what Hollywood already does. And as you rightly argued through your comment, it brings little artistic or creative value.

    kmkz_ninja ,

    To me, it’s the same feeling as the teachers that wouldn’t accept papers written on a computer (after an age where we know how to write) because “it’s less honest”.

    I’m not good at drawing. I would love to try to make a game. Anti-AI luddites are happy that I will never produce something because I am incabable of doing something that an AI could easily accomplish.

    dudebro ,

    Yeah. It’ll be nice if all the drivel in Hollywood were automated.

    If you think you’re so good at what you do, then you can be what the AI learns from to improve.

    Everyone else? Well, tough tamales. This is what progress looks like and blue collar workers have been feeling it ever since the industrial revolution.

    ramble81 ,

    You’re just not going to give up this crusade are you? Going to start comparing salaries of line workers to starving kids in Africa again?

    dudebro ,

    What crusade?

    These people don’t need more money, plain and simple.

    TheActualDevil ,

    You realize that most actors and writers are barely or not at all paid enough to live. This idea of the rich and famous actor is an edge case that you’re letting become your whole idea of them because they’re exactly that. Famous. But even you have to realize that there are countless others that will be and currently are being affected by the things their striking against. For too many years already writers have been shafted by production companies by hiring them as short term contractors to avoid paying them a fair wage or give them an option for royalties. And when literally everyone in the industry is doing that, then they have no choice if they want to get paid at all.

    And being mad because some high profile rich fuckers are participating is insane. Their participation shows just how important it is. They’ll be fine. They have millions and they’re still out there on the picket line anyway because the things the industry does and wants to make worse is bad for humans. That’s what collective action is about and it’s beautiful.

    dudebro ,

    I realize they are living a higher quality of life while working less than the vast majority of people ever to walk the Earth.

    Do you realize it’s about wanting more, not needing more? It’s not like these people are living off of peanut-butter sandwiches, lol.

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    That’s not what progress looks like, but you do you, fam. We’ll be over here on our new federated sites watching stuff made by actual human beings while Hollywood starves to death as everyone else stops watching that garbage.

    Or we will campaign the federal government to ban the tech outright and your lazy shill ass will have to actually do something useful to make a living.

    dudebro ,

    Sure.

    kmkz_ninja ,

    We’ll be over here on our new federated sites watching stuff made by actual human beings

    slowly puts away stable diffusion community subscriptions

    I, too, got mad at the creation of the personal computer and lobbied congress to ban them because they aren’t as real as my subjective interpretation of reality, work, and honesty.

    Knusper ,

    If it is high quality, why do you care how it was produced?

    To me, this is comparable to fiction vs. non-fiction.

    Personally, I do already find fiction less engaging, because there’s nothing romantic about these stories. With which I’m not referring to a love story, I mean that there’s no sense of wonder of what lead to these events. It happened that way, because a writer wrote it that way.

    And yet, the one thing still tying fiction to reality is the writer. You can still wonder what life experiences they’ve made to tell this story and how they’re telling it.
    Our current narrow AIs don’t make life experiences, so you lose even that strand of meaning.

    loom_in_essence ,

    I’m looking for an interaction with the artists. I do not care what an AI produces… and I don’t care what a marketing team or boardroom of producers produces. I’m looking for an artist’s vision.

    hark ,
    @hark@lemmy.world avatar

    Then hollywood is the wrong place to look. AI can make it even worse, but hollywood has been mostly devoid of expressing artistic vision long before AI came around.

    Rodeo ,

    I’m looking for an interaction with the artists.

    How exactly are you interacting with them while sitting on your couch looking at a screen?

    This is an appeal to purity argument. You’ve invented some higher standard (that doesn’t really even make sense) with the purpose of excluding the thing you don’t like.

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    Do you understand how art works at all?

    kmkz_ninja ,

    That it’s an entirely subjective experience and to presume that someone’s enjoyment of it means that a human had to be involved in It’s creation is such a ridiculous response.

    Have you ever seen the paintings that one chimpanzee made? They’re actually pretty nice in composition. Am I allowed to like the way they look even if no human made them?

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    So long as it’s not a glorified machine learning program designed to commit mass fraud and copyright infringement, then yes. Until then, go cry harder.

    kmkz_ninja ,

    I’m going to think back to people like you in 15 years and smile at how naive you were.

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    No you won’t, you’ll still be sitting in front of your computer having gotten nowhere in life because you expected AI to solve all your problems for you and you couldn’t see it’s just another corporate grift. Like any sucker.

    kmkz_ninja ,

    “The internet is a grift”

    aztec_dubstep ,

    not wanting to see things you don’t like. In art.

    loom_in_essence ,

    The audience responds en masse by tuning in, paying up, being changed, perpetuating the ideas back into the culture through the filter of their own personality, chatting about the thing, praising or criticizing the artist.

    This is an appeal to purity argument. You’ve invented some higher standard

    Nope. It has absolutely nothing to do with “purity.” It has to do with humans doing the ancient human thing of making art. Dancing, singing, telling stories. You’re bringing in the abstraction of purity.

    Hollywood (in its crudest aspect) is already an AI algorithm for churning out trash. That’s why I tune out already. Because it is not humans telling each other stories. It is pure corporate manipulation. More AI in the hands of producer-goons just means more corporate manipulation and less humans telling each other stories.

    AI in the hands of an artist is a tool for exploring and creating. AI in the hands of corporate goons is the total opposite.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I saw a great strike sign- “I refuse to memorize lines written by a machine.”

    kmkz_ninja ,

    But why? I feel like people are twisting their arguments against AI. Or they are being twisted against.

    Why does an actor care where there lines come from? We live in a world where The Room was written and released, but AI content is going to be the end of media? People aren’t that special. Our thoights aren’t that special. We don’t have souls. We’re just thinking machines, and nothing we create is more unique than something that we created creates.

    nickwitha_k ,

    But why? …

    Because this is about enshitification of life for studio exec profits. It’s not really about where a machine can or should be a part of creative works, but HOW they are being used.

    Nearly very industry in which LLMs are being used in the latest hype wave, it’s not being used to improve anything but concentration of wealth in the hands of a dwindling number of individuals by worsening product quality and real ability of any of humanity, outside of those of hereditary wealth, to be get by.

    dudebro ,

    It’ll be funny when we start watching stuff and can’t tell what is AI and what isn’t.

    I fully expect people like you to like something and then hate it after you find out it was made by AI.

    Lol.

    Meowoem ,

    It’s funny to me because all these people are saying exactly what everyone used to say about mobile phones, about the internet, about computers… I know so many people who railed against the internet saying they’d never use it and that computers only make things more difficult - now they’re all yelling on Facebook about how the evil corporations they work for aren’t letting them work from home lol

    AI will keep getting better and the way people use it will continue to evolve, there will be truly great things made by obsessive outsiders which speak to people in ways nothing has… Just like with every minor technical or social Innovation in art. Many of the giants of the old era will vanish and many new greats will grow and start to stagnate into conformity…

    I’m excited for the future and all the interesting things it brings, we can’t just stop creativity and progress because some affluent performers want guarantees of stability which just don’t exist in reality

    gnarly , (edited )
    @gnarly@lemmy.world avatar

    I do too hope the strikes are successful. That said, you’ve likely already been consuming generative technology for some time now. Disney alone has nearly a decade of research into it already. Advanced VFX applications use all sorts of generative tech too. When I was working in LA we referenced public data all the time. I know it’s gotten a huge spotlight on it given private AI capitalizing/evangelizing it all but the very real threat of digital scabs taking people’s jobs needs the biggest spotlight right now. I do think the tables will turn if nothing good can come out of Hollywood and those artists begin weaponizing that same tech against the execs. I see what studios are doing as no different than impersonation & identity theft by using this tech to limit working hours to skirt union protections.

    TheCraiggers , (edited )
    @TheCraiggers@lemmy.world avatar

    because I refuse to consume any of it

    I guarantee you already have and didn’t notice.

    There’s a philosophical argument to be made for sure, and I’d probably even agree with you. But the reality is that the technology is here, and it’ll be used in pursuit of the almighty buck.

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    That’s what makes it especially insidious. We want entertainment made by people, for people, not by AIs for corporations and their pockets.

    Aux ,

    I would prefer AI content.

    kmkz_ninja ,

    I’m fine with AI content. It’s going to make making media so much easier for people who aren’t inherently artistic but have a vision they want to show.

    loom_in_essence , (edited )

    There are already teams of humans ready to do all that stuff. AI adds nothing there. The non-artistic person with a vision can already collaborate with skilled artists.

    But more importantly, we are not worried about artists using AI as a tool. We are worried about corporate goons using AI to fire all creative staff and generate manipulative trash.

    kmkz_ninja ,

    Okay so instead of me just working on a fun product for free in my own time, I have to pay someone a fair wage as if this is a commercial product I’m producing?

    There’s several people in this thread arguing we should outright ban the use, instead of coming up with ways to protect artists without artificially limiting AI.

    loom_in_essence ,

    I have to pay someone a fair wage as if this is a commercial product I’m producing?

    There’s several people in this thread arguing we should outright ban the use,

    I didn’t see anyone ITT making that argument, and anyway this whole debate is specifically and explicitly about hollywood goons using AI to churn out trash without paying the talent. It’s not about some broke artist using AI to bring his vision to life. As I already said. It’s beyond straw man to treat that as the position that’s being criticized

    kale ,

    The first company that debuts an entirely AI film will be a game changer, since it’s training set will be all the greats/popular films from Godfather, Taxi Driver, Jurassic Park, Star Wars, Inglorious Bastards, and Parasite.

    Then everyone will want to get in on the game and we’ll see a huge number of AI films. To be noticable and unique, a certain amount of hallucinating will be allowed. After a couple more years, you’ll see model collapse as the film AIs are now using other AI output as their training input.

    AI systems need a steady “diet” of human created material to continue to create material that is relevant and interesting to humans.

    Robert Evans has a great episode on “behind the bastards” about AI and children’s books. The majority of Kindle published children’s books and coloring books are AI generated. There are Kindle books on how to make hundreds of AI children’s books a month using AI tools, including how to write the prompt for the AI input.

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    Stop being lazy and learn how to make your own shit. You aren’t entitled to other people’s skills.

    kmkz_ninja ,

    He says on a computer instead of hiring a postal worker to deliver his message.

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    In my own words instead of having ChatGPT do your thinking for you, the way you do

    rikudou ,

    Yeah, we need human writers! I don’t think AI can turn great books into shitty movies as well as actual writers. AI scripts sound like a real gain, IMO.

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    Questions for everybody else:

    1. Who actually thinks like this?
    2. Why are big Lemmy instances allowing obvious shills to concern troll and forum slide on their servers?
    rikudou ,

    Well, for one, I think like this. And given the upvote, at least one other person does as well. And six others disagree. Which is fine with me, by the way, people can disagree and be civilized about it.

    As for “obvious shills and trolls” - just because I like the technology and dislike current writers, I’m a troll? With thinking like this you should perhaps go live in a totalitarian state, cause that’s how they roll - “you’re either with us or you’re bad”.

    Can you pretty please let me have my opinion?

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    Well, for one, I think like this.

    Then I have no reason to take you seriously. Goodbye.

    rikudou ,

    Stop acting like a spoiled kid, please.

    loom_in_essence ,

    Why do you expect AI to write better scripts than “current writers”? Do you believe than humans are incapable of good writing, and we need AI to finally make the first good art to ever exist?

    rikudou ,

    Not first good art, no, there are many great movies. It’s usually when people who are famous enough to do whatever are the directors (Tarantino, Nolan). But the usual crap? All the unimaginative movies and TV shows? Botching good books by not understanding the source material at all? That’s most of the writers and that’s who I think should be replaced by AI. We were doing a presentation on capabilities of AI recently and one sentence my colleague came up with sums it up: AI is not some super smart thing, it’s like millions of average people who can think really fast.

    loom_in_essence ,

    Again, why would you expect AI to write better stories than humans?

    If hollywood churns out trash it’s because producers want trash. The AI will just help them churn out trash cheaper.

    So how will AI fix this?

    JeffCraig ,

    There are many issues besides AI stuff that are causing this strike.

    Yes, with the quick emergence of AI in all industries, we do need strong workers rights agreements and laws to address it, but AI isn’t really the primary issue.

    People pick positions in these arguments that are too stringent and not realistic. There will be places where AI is useful in this industry. The union just needs to make sure AI isn’t abused in order to completely replace certain types of laborers.

    rikudou ,

    Well, then they’ll make movies without union.

    vimdiesel ,

    I hope there is some kind of “label” that comes out of this like the Surgeon General’s cigarette warning. “This movie is 87% AI generated” so I won’t have to bother thinking about whether to skip it. Fuck lazy & greedy movie makers. They’d giveup their immortal soul for $3.50

    bobman ,

    I understand your desire to support the SAG-AFTRA strikes, but I think you’re wrong to say that you’ll refuse to consume any AI-generated content.

    First of all, it’s not clear that AI-generated content will be of lower quality than human-generated content. In fact, there are already AI-generated images and videos that are indistinguishable from human-made ones. As AI technology continues to develop, it’s likely that AI-generated content will become even more sophisticated.

    Second, even if AI-generated content is of lower quality, it’s still possible that it will be enjoyable to some people. There are many people who enjoy watching low-budget movies or reading self-published books. Just because something is not created by a professional does not mean that it cannot be entertaining.

    Finally, boycotting AI-generated content will not actually help the SAG-AFTRA strikes. The strikes are about ensuring that actors and writers are fairly compensated for their work. Boycotting AI-generated content will not affect the studios’ bottom line, so it will not put any pressure on them to reach a fair agreement with the unions.

    I think a better way to support the SAG-AFTRA strikes is to donate to the unions or to spread awareness about the issue. You can also write to your elected officials and urge them to support legislation that protects the rights of actors and writers.

    I hope you’ll reconsider your position on AI-generated content. It’s possible that this technology could have a positive impact on the entertainment industry, and it’s important to keep an open mind about its potential.

    vimdiesel ,

    This is the best possible outcome. No one wants that AI generated shit while actors and behind the scenes people make starvation wages.

    dudebro ,

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    GentlemanLoser ,

    You have a serious agenda huh champ

    dudebro ,

    Err… no. I just don’t agree with what the crowd is saying in this regard.

    Don’t they have an agenda?

    Syrc ,

    So if we’re going to have AI replacing Actors, Animators, VAs, Writers and everything there’s going to be a lot less people to pay and ticket prices will go down by 90% right?

    The whole population will benefit from AI and not just people who already make way too much money like it happened with pretty much every other technological innovation right?

    dustyData ,

    Just like WallStreet, the ultimate goal is to also replace audiences entirely with AI sentient viewers. That way they can create millions of viewers who will be pre-primed to want to watch the same pieces of media several hundred times. They can even view the movie at 500% speed so they can do so in a shorter timespan than meat viewers. OpenAI will be the first company to offer culturally insensitive and politically neutral 100% synthetic audiences to feed your Hollywood releases. For just cents per 1 million viewers/hour you too can release a blockbuster. This includes Twitch and YouTube audiences!

    RidcullyTheBrown ,

    The whole population will benefit from AI and not just people who already make way too much money like it happened with pretty much every other technological innovation right?

    Humanity benefited from the invention of the printing press. Humanity benefited from the industrial revolution. Humanity benefited from the invention of computers. Humanity will benefit from AI too, greatly so. This is not what is up for debate. Some people made fortunes from it, but does that matter when you compare it to how much good it brought about?

    Syrc ,

    Did it really benefit that much from it though? We can now be infinitely more productive while working, but are still required to work the same work week and have the same purchasing power, if not less in some countries. And the products made with that work cost pretty much the same, even though it costs much less to produce them.

    Very rarely a technological innovation actually ended up improving common people’s quality of life, and the ones that did were due to being improving of the end product in nature.

    AI doesn’t improve the end product (rather, currently it worsens it), it just improves the efficiency. And like with the Industrial Revolution, people will get paid the same, will have to work the same amount of time, and their end products will cost the same. CEOs will benefit from it and no one else, if history says anything.

    RidcullyTheBrown ,

    You probably don’t know history.

    Syrc ,

    Just from a quick Google search. Skip to the end if you want raw hour comparison.

    I’ll gladly accept a huge AI implementation if it means cutting even 20% of current working hours while keeping the same salary, but I’m really skeptical on that.

    RidcullyTheBrown ,

    That’s not what I’m debating. What about healthcare? What about acces to education? What about infant death rates? What about travel? What about not having to worry about starvation? Clean water directly into your home? Hot water too? Electricity? Have these not improved the quality of life greatly? You must not know history if you think your average peasant was living a better life preindustrialisation.

    I’m not sure what work you’re doing at the moment but you seem pretty burned out by it. Maybe it’s time for a change

    Syrc ,

    That’s not what I’m debating either. All of those are due to technological advancements that improved the end product. AI doesn’t improve the end product, just the process.

    When the end product improves, the one who benefits from it is the customer, and the manufacturer if they manage to sell it at a higher price than before.

    But when the process improves and the end product is the same, it just takes less money/time to make it. So the only way common people would benefit from it is if manufacturers decided out of goodwill to either raise salaries, reduce working hours, or decrease the price of the end product. And that barely ever happened in history.

    RidcullyTheBrown ,

    But when the process improves and the end product is the same, it just takes less money/time to make it. So the only way common people would benefit from it is if manufacturers decided out of goodwill

    The industrial revolution improved the process. Before that, for example, knives were traditionally made by a skilled blacksmith and were very expensive. After, they were made cheaply and much better and made their way in every home. Just like pots and pans. And clothing and carpets and chairs and literally all the goods which required a skilled crafstmith and were expensive and scarce became massed produced and became cheap.

    Same with computers: things that were hard to make because they required skilled workforce became easy to do and cheap with automation.

    It will be the same with AI: another round of things that are expensive because they require skilled labour will become cheap and available to everyone. This time it will be even more complex things than before, things that require a bit of ingenuity like medical diagnosis, maybe driving, maybe teaching, maybe writing (but more probably editing rather than writing). Think cheap basic healthcare for everyone. Think free, good, reliable public transport for everyone. Think reliable press. I don’t know what form it will take and where we’ll find applications for it.

    It’s not clear what capabilities this technology has at the moment and what is its future. However, it promises a wonderful thing: the ability to scale up for free things that couldn’t be scaled because they could only be done by people and people are in short supply.

    As for the work hours comparison between now and the medieval times, that comparison is not correct. It compares working hours, but doesn’t add in the effort required for just living. When work is done, you have to make food from scratch always because you can’t store it for too long, gather firewood, clean the firepit, bring water from somewhere, make tools, make clothing, wash and clean the house, constantly repair a host of poorly built things that require attention, a million things to do always. We really can use our down time for leisure nowadays.

    Syrc ,

    I don’t know, I don’t think any of those things could be reliably entrusted to an AI.

    Medical diagnosis is very serious stuff and should not be taken lightly, same for driving.

    Press will also suffer the biases of whoever built the model so it’s not really going to be different from today. Editing maybe, but I don’t think either is going to lower the price of publications by that much.

    Teaching as it is done today could very easily be replaced, but that’s because it’s a flawed system at its core and should be reworked from the ground.

    I’m very skeptical about it but maybe you’ll end up being right, who knows. It’s all moving so fast and predictions are hard to make.

    icepuncher69 ,

    Dont listem to them, they are trolling

    vimdiesel ,

    Bro you are waaaaayyyyy overly optimistic on who AI is gonna benefit :) . It won’t be the 99% in the end.

    Syrc ,

    That was sarcasm, I thought the “Right? Right?” was enough to give it away lol

    kmkz_ninja ,

    So your argument isn’t against AI, it’s against studios. Or your argument is against us, and our complacency when it comes to corporate or profit overreach.

    I don’t see how you could take that as an argument against AI in general. Stanley Yelnatz wasn’t wrong for looking for the shorter shovel.

    Syrc ,

    Sure, just like my gripe is mainly with school shooters rather than with guns, and with crazy billionaires rather than with social media.

    But since you can’t realistically regulate the users to a healthy level, you have to regulate the tool. Because, just like those other two things, the benefit it brings to regular people is minuscule compared to the harm it can do.

    Sev ,
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    Don’t really follow this much, what’s the TL:DR with all this? Something something more pay? Good on em , i think?

    psycho_driver ,

    I’m not following it much either so take what I’m saying with a grain of salt but I believe it’s a combination of the actors deciding to support the ongoing writer’s strike, in addition to having some of the same concerns as the writers with regard to their rights in a changing digital landscape (see the somewhat overblown AI craze currently in progress).

    littlecolt ,

    Just like when reruns first became a thing, the actors are striking to be paid for the use of their likeness and their performances. With TV reruns becoming less popular, yet people are rewatching old favorites on streaming, the actors rightly want to be paid for streaming rewatches. That is one of the biggest things. Streaming platforms are making big money from hosting old shows, and the actors want their cut.

    dudebro ,

    Rich people upset they can’t keep up with other rich people.

    Nothing to see here. They’re just trying to live as lavish a life as possible while doing as little actual work as possible. Yes, I’m talking about the actors.

    It’s not about needs. It’s about wants. Greedy people and their supporters get upset whenever someone points out the difference.

    jhymesba , (edited )

    Sure. The leading actors in a production are crazy rich. But according to indeed.com, the average actor earns between $7.25 and $36.00 an hour, averaging at $15.29. For every lead, you’ve got countless little people backing them up. Strikes aren’t just about the crazy wealthy leading actors. It’s also about the dude pulling in $15 an hour. In fact, the leads aren’t going to license their likeness and voices to the studio execs, so they really have nothing to worry about. But they’re here standing in solidarity with the people who don’t have that luxury, who will go in, get a $3000 cheque, then never work in the industry again.

    Just to be clear, you’re busy simping for the billionaires who run the media industry, pointing to the millionaires who are saying they are being nasty to everyone in industry. Says a lot about you, buddy!

    dudebro ,

    Just to be clear, I’m not in favor of anyone with above average wealth having more so long as children go without food and water.

    I’m not in favor of the actors or the owners. Copyright and patent laws need to die so none of them get to live lavish lifestyles at the expense of everyone else.

    jhymesba ,

    I don’t believe for a second that you actually believe this. I think you’re just a concern troll trying to hide behind the inequity that allows kids to go without food and water while pushing the false narrative that every actor earns millions of dollars a year and thus doesn’t “deserve” to strike. If you really are concerned about kids, then perhaps stand in solidarity of the hundreds of thousands of people NOT earning seven figures so THEIR kids may be guaranteed food and water, and pressure the folks who ARE earning seven figures to show a little charity for the kids you’re so concerned about.

    dudebro ,

    Ok. Believe whatever you want.

    You’re wrong in this case.

    I personally believe you’re just upset at someone calling out the disparity and wealth and those who contribute to it.

    kmkz_ninja ,

    I think you’re probably a bit of a hypocrite.

    vimdiesel ,

    bro, like 75% of actors have 2 other jobs they’re working to keep a roof over their head lmao, no including all the electricans, makeup, set builders, CGI, etc that work on movies. You should educate yourself. Only 0.1% of them are living like kings, and most of those are nepo-babies with connections to land the big roles.

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