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Putin is urging women to have as many as 8 children after so many Russians died in his war with Ukraine 


<span style="color:#323232;">Russian President Vladimir Putin is urging Russians to have more children. 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">"Large families must become the norm," Putin said in a speech Tuesday. 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Russian birth rates are falling amid war in Ukraine and a deepening economic crisis. 
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Russian President Vladimir Putin is urging women to have as many as eight children as the number of dead Russian soldiers continues to rise in his war with Ukraine, worsening the country’s population crisis.

Addressing the World Russian People’s Council in Moscow on Tuesday, Putin said the country must return to a time when large families were the norm.

“Many of our grandmothers and great-grandmothers, had seven, eight, or even more children,” Putin said.

ganksy ,
@ganksy@lemmy.world avatar

Doesn’t that also equate to we’ve managed to kill eight of your family members?

cabron_offsets ,

lol. Fuck russia.

magnetosphere ,
@magnetosphere@kbin.social avatar

That’s kinda what Putin is saying. “Fuck, Russia! Lol!”

uis ,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Putin simper found

theodewere ,
@theodewere@kbin.social avatar

but is he willing to guarantee a sack of potatoes for each one that dies in his war, and can we maybe get a few of those potatoes up front

Overzeetop ,
@Overzeetop@kbin.social avatar

maybe get a few of those potatoes up front

It's good to see such unbridled optimism in these dark times.

theodewere ,
@theodewere@kbin.social avatar

we bring our own sacks

MartinXYZ ,

No no, he's planning the next war now.😕

cedarmesa ,
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    Maco1969 ,
    @Maco1969@lemmy.world avatar

    That is a brilliant summation, well done!

    Amanduh ,

    What doesn't make sense to me is that even if women start churning out babies putin will be dead by the time theyre at fighting age? Is he just trying to help the next war hungry dictator after him?

    Serinus ,

    He’s trying to repair the damage he’s done so that it doesn’t last a hundred years.

    Wrench , (edited )

    The entire reason he started this war was for legacy. He wanted to be the dictator that rebuilt the USSR like he always dreamed, and he’s running out of time, so he forced it and dug his heels in.

    He does not want to be remembered as the dictator that killed off a generation with nothing to show for it, and set back Russia 100 years.

    GlitzyArmrest ,
    @GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world avatar

    Unfortunately for him, that’s how he’ll likely be remembered anyway. At least in most of the world.

    CleoTheWizard ,
    @CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world avatar

    Well that and the end of russia itself maybe

    lurch ,

    Maybe he wants to lower the fighting age too. Wouldn’t be the first time some a-hole sent children to kill and die in a stupid war.

    LillyPip ,

    He’s trying to be the legend who remade the Russian Empire of the late 1800s. It doesn’t matter so much that he’s alive for the Great Payoff™ – he needs to be the biggest name in the history books for centuries to come.

    He knows he’s old and will die, and he knows he’s not going to achieve his big goals soon enough to directly benefit. So now he’s looking at his legacy.

    That’s the stage when dictators *and narcissists become truly dangerous, by the way, because knowing they won’t directly see the fruits of their labour, they have less to lose.

    e: added a word*

    LillyPip ,

    Getting major Mutterehrenkreuz vibes.

    Seraph ,
    @Seraph@kbin.social avatar

    Literally repeating histories mistakes from 80 years ago. It will take a couple generations to even start to heal this wound.

    Stamau123 OP ,

    2016-2020s really feels like the greatest hits of the crises of the 20th century. I guess the last ww2 vet dies and everyone decides to forget everything.

    MartinXYZ ,

    2016-2020s really feels like the greatest hits of the crises of the 20th century.

    Yeah and it's not even a remix, it's just a clip show.

    ghostdoggtv ,

    everyone decides to forget everything

    You must be living under a rock somewhere

    someguy3 ,

    This reminds me of Daffy Duck youtu.be/pjNtBi_lzzM

    Peter1986C ,
    @Peter1986C@lemmings.world avatar

    That is Donald Duck, not Daffy.

    someguy3 ,

    Ha my bad. Never thought of the similarities between those names.

    detalferous ,

    So they can be sent to the front line in ten years? Putin had already screwed the pooch.

    DragonTypeWyvern ,

    Don’t be ridiculous, the Russian officers mostly want teenagers to rape, not children.

    Vant ,

    I’m sorry about your head injury.

    TheMongoose ,

    More meat for the grinder.

    Would you like to know more?

    Stamau123 OP ,

    Service guarantees citizenship!

    TubeTalkerX ,

    Service guarantees Freedom, no matter the previous crime!

    uis ,
    @uis@lemmy.world avatar

    Sexual assault? Pfft. In this season Putin frees cannibals. Killed ukrainians for half a year and can return to eating russians.

    What? Wives are protesting? “There will be no rotation!”

    RvTV95XBeo ,

    I find it hard to imagine wanting to have kids just so your dictator has more meat to feed into his meat grinder. Perhaps the only good news is Putin hopefully doesn’t have 18 more years in him, so the kids won’t have to deal with him directly, but who knows who will sit in the throne next…

    Jiggle_Physics ,

    I doesn’t work either. Appeals to nationalism, religion, and even straight up paying and providing luxury benefits to people, in order to have them start having more kids just did nothing in the long run. The world is different. Your children are more likely to become independent adults when you put your resources into a smaller number of children. The cost/benefits ratio of having large families to produce stability, and increase the chances at least one child will be successful, has completely reverse from 100+ years ago.

    Jaysyn ,
    @Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

    Putin will open rape/baby factories for female prisoners next. Just watch.

    Jiggle_Physics ,

    The scale at which they would need to do this would make even forcing pregnancy and birth not really sustainable. Especially when the child are being birthed into the world where the economics are against large fertility rates.

    Jiggle_Physics ,

    Not to say I would put trying out of the question. It just won’t work either.

    Gork ,

    That might end up being the scary reality for the women and girls who have been abducted in Ukraine.

    chowder ,

    newsweek.com/russia-wants-female-prisoners-give-b…

    November 17th.

    CosmicCleric ,
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    Putin will open rape/baby factories for female prisoners next. Just watch.

    If anything, they would outlaw contraception first, before going down that road that you’re describing, not that that road would be successful in either case.

    chowder ,

    aljazeera.com/…/russia-limits-womens-access-to-ab…

    ICastFist ,
    @ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

    I think the irony is that you don’t even need to do something like that. Just open a bunch of “orphanages” that are all about hammering absolute loyalty to the dear leader, offer to pay money for any kids that are left there, reap the rewards in a couple of years. As a double whammy, parents are also free to continue fully dedicating to work.

    Libertarians would probably have the weirdest hate boner if that happened, selling kids (great!) to the govt (horrible!)

    Riven ,
    @Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Christ my mind went somewhere else. I thought you were gonna suggest that after they open the orphanages and they get populated they would offer the kids a bunch of benefits once they were of age to start breeding. I bet a significant portion of those kids would take it in a heart beat since the alternative is being kicked out at 18 without anywhere to go or money.

    uis ,
    @uis@lemmy.world avatar

    since the alternative is being kicked out at 18 without anywhere to go or money.

    Legaly, all orphans who don’t already own home, will get one from state. But governor wants 5th yacht too.

    HeyThisIsntTheYMCA ,
    @HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t know if or when they ended the Maternity Medal, Order of Maternal Glory, and Mother Heroine awards for having large families in Russia. I don’t know much about the programs, just what a friend who emigrated told me about them (and what wikipedia says)

    Bishma ,
    @Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    Yeah “make more people for me to kill” doesn’t seem like a winning message.

    SCB ,

    I mean it’s unlikely Putin lives another 16 years, so even if they’re sending 15 year olds to the front this won’t help the war machine

    It’s more about long-term population loss. There’s a reason combined-arms forces are used and mass infantry assaults are not. Problem is, Russian military hardware sucks for a lot of different and systemic reasons so that option isn’t realistic over a large theater.

    Putin is straight up bleeding Russia out and it’s really sad that this many people are displaced and dying over one man’s ego and lust for his station.

    PoliticalAgitator ,

    You’re already projecting compassion he doesn’t have by assuming he’d wait for them to turn 18. If he thought it would work, he’d march 5 year olds in bomb vests over the border then have Elon announce that Ukraine kills children.

    rosymind ,

    Dont give him ideas

    rammer ,
    @rammer@sopuli.xyz avatar

    The hate of men will pass and dictators die and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die liberty will never perish.

    Source

    Stamau123 OP ,

    I wonder if women will start getting medals for babies, like soviet times? Another question, if these women are raising 8 kids, and all the men are dead in a sunflower field south of Avdivika, who the hell is supposed to be working in Russia for the next generation? Just banking on enslaving Ukraine to pay for the cost of enslaving Ukraine?

    gravitas_deficiency ,

    That’s probably what Russia was roughly planning to do, yeah.

    Stamau123 OP ,

    This whole endeavor has been top to bottom stupid

    rikudou ,

    Well, don’t forget that this was planned as a few day operation.

    Uglyhead ,
    @Uglyhead@lemmy.world avatar

    The ol’ Napoleon strategy.

    I’ll just invade the Cossacks, this should only take a few days

    …Oh Fuck…

    PugJesus ,
    @PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

    Napoleon came close to victory. If he had declared an end to serfdom, as he had in other European countries and as the Russian serfs desperately hoped he would, he might have won. Unfortunately, he held out hope for a negotiated end of the war.

    Uglyhead ,
    @Uglyhead@lemmy.world avatar

    Napoleon knew that declaring an end to serfdom wouldn’t have worked in Russia. The people of Russia were staunchly behind the Czar, and Napoleon knew it; partly due to the fact that they knew Napoleon had no love for them at all; just the opposite in fact.

    gravitas_deficiency ,

    From Russia’s end: absolutely.

    But also from the NATO end - why in the ever loving fuck aren’t we just giving Ukraine enough to actually restore their borders? All the counterarguments effectively stem from deeply wrongheaded and dated geopolitical strategies that Kissinger would have not only loved, but in fact specifically made efforts to personally support.

    PugJesus ,
    @PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

    Because our political establishment is 1/3 dinosaurs and 1/3 Putin cocksuckers. And some, like Kissinger, were both.

    anlumo ,

    I think winning is not the goal of the Western military, the goal is to reduce the amount of military equipment in Russia to a historic low. This can’t be accomplished by winning quickly.

    marcos ,

    Currently, just like at any other time since they attacked, it’s entirely up to Russia to decide how much equipment they will lose on the war. The speed of Ukraine defense won’t impact the result.

    magnetosphere ,
    @magnetosphere@kbin.social avatar

    That’s an interesting possibility that I hadn’t considered.

    SkyeStarfall ,

    People need to understand the west aren’t exactly acting in the name of moral good, but pragmatic egoism, instead. Just because helping Ukraine is good in this instance, doesn’t mean governments do it for the same reasons for why most people think they should get help.

    It’s realpolitik, and human lives don’t matter. As much as I despise that thought.

    The west may be better, but it’s still not good.

    Chainweasel ,

    Absolutely, and they pretty much have to commit to that plan at this point.
    Before their losses started piling up the way they have been, I’d assumed his plan was to install a puppet government and “annex” useful provences into the Soviet Union Russian federation.
    But with the population losses that require women to become livestock for the sake of the country, he’s absolutely going to enslave able bodied workers in every region he’s able to hold onto.

    radix ,
    @radix@lemmy.world avatar

    Narayana Murthy: People should be working 70 hours/week.

    Vladimir Putin: Why so few?

    trash80 ,

    I’ve haven’t been following Russian related news, so I may be too late to suggest that Putin plans to cannibalize Belarus sometime soon.

    uis ,
    @uis@lemmy.world avatar

    He will probably do it between 2024 and 2030

    DaDragon ,

    They actually introduced pretty much that exact thing back in 2008, the Order of Parental Glory. Have more children to fuel the machine, please

    uis ,
    @uis@lemmy.world avatar

    Wait, what? Interesting. I didn’t know about its existance.

    autotldr Bot ,

    This is the best summary I could come up with:

    Addressing the World Russian People’s Council in Moscow on Tuesday, Putin said the country must return to a time when large families were the norm.

    Putin’s remarks come amid decades of falling birth rates in Russia that its invasion of Ukraine and the subsequent economic fallout have only made worse.

    In October, the UK’s Ministry of Defence reported that Russia has likely amassed up to 290,000 killed or wounded soldiers in the war against Ukraine.

    Since coming into power 24 years ago, Putin has tried to boost Russia’s birthrate by introducing a range of government incentives for those who have children, including payouts for families who have more than one child.

    But the measures have had little to no impact, with figures from Rosstat, Russia’s federal-statistics service, putting the Russian population at 146,447,424 as of January 1, lower than it was in 1999 when Putin first became president, Le Monde reported.

    “Russia lacks workers,” Alexei Raksha, a demographer who previously worked at Rosstat, told AFP in February.

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