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Putin is urging women to have as many as 8 children after so many Russians died in his war with Ukraine 


<span style="color:#323232;">Russian President Vladimir Putin is urging Russians to have more children. 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">"Large families must become the norm," Putin said in a speech Tuesday. 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Russian birth rates are falling amid war in Ukraine and a deepening economic crisis. 
</span>

Russian President Vladimir Putin is urging women to have as many as eight children as the number of dead Russian soldiers continues to rise in his war with Ukraine, worsening the country’s population crisis.

Addressing the World Russian People’s Council in Moscow on Tuesday, Putin said the country must return to a time when large families were the norm.

“Many of our grandmothers and great-grandmothers, had seven, eight, or even more children,” Putin said.

Jakdracula , (edited )
@Jakdracula@lemmy.world avatar

“…so that I can send your children to be killed in my war…” Putin, probably.

NerdyApex ,

Is he calling it a war now, or is it still a “special operation”?

Rose ,

Depends on the day.

ipkpjersi , (edited )

As long as they aren’t being aborted then it’s fine, duh

AA5B ,

Hey Putine, let me help ……

All you gotta do is excuse people from military service for being a parent. Pretty soon all military aged males will be parents and you’ll greatly reduce the number of deaths in Ukraine. Win-win

uis ,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

All you gotta do is excuse people from military service for being a parent. Pretty soon all military aged males will be parents and you’ll greatly reduce the number of deaths in Ukraine. Win-win

Sorta kinda exists, but you need at least 4 children below 18 years. But I don’t think this increases amount of military aged males or any doctors being parents.

TheGreenGolem ,

Oh, so you need to start at the age of 14 max.

uis ,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

I mean children’s age))))

Auzymundius ,

He meant that you’d have to start fathering children at 14 so that you could have 4 of them under 18 by the time you turn 18, which would be the age for military service.

uis ,
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Ah. I got it. So you won’t be conscripted after school. Well, there are other ways to delay it like leaving country or getting professional or higher education.

uis ,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Or you can start at 17, but you will need 4 of them. MIMO approach. Or MISO. Depends how you view it.

TheGreenGolem ,

Yeah, I know. I was joking. The ol’ Lemmy switcheroo.

assassin_aragorn ,

That’s actually pretty brilliant. Although it would also grind new recruits to a halt. It’s almost like he should retreat and take the L and try rebuilding

qwertyWarlord ,

Maybe he doesn’t realize it’ll take a couple decades, and he’ll be dead by then, for any women having children now to see them old enough to fight or have any impact on the country

TrickDacy ,

I think he’s under the delusion that he will remain in power until he’s 90

LordCirais ,

I don’t think he plans to leave power.

TrickDacy ,

That’s what I’m saying essentially. Though maybe I gave him too much credit by thinking he might relinquish power when he’s on death’s door.

mohammed_alibi ,

He’s a victim of his own purging culture. I’m sure he is afraid that when he is out of power, he will be purged, just like how he purged his competition.

Same with Xi of China.

uis ,
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I don’t think he plans to leave country alive

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA ,
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I don’t think any of us leave this life alive

uis ,
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I mean I don’t think he plans to not kill country.

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA ,
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We’re all going to die, Lise. I meant soon. So did I

ICastFist ,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Or he firmly believes his successor (whenever that happens) will glorify him as a savior of some sort and be left with a glorious country, full of opportunities for the young adults. Delusions are free, just like dreams

samus12345 ,
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Why past tense? They’re still dying.

ICastFist ,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Shh, don’t let those still alive know that!

BlackSkinnedJew , (edited )

Equal to abortion banning propaganda in the west.

null ,

By what metric?

BlackSkinnedJew ,

Equal in the metric of people able to be sent to the war at 18.

massacre , (edited )

Lack of abortion access breeds poverty. Poverty breeds the human grist for our military industrial complex mill. +Tie in to for-profit prison slave labor and inability to break the economic cycle of generational poverty and feed a cheap labor economy

Similar reasons and similar propaganda.

[edit: typo on prison]

Rouxibeau ,

Let’s keep going until there’s a 1:39 male to female ratio. That’d be ideal. Not strange at all.

CosmicCleric ,
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Let’s keep going until there’s a 1:39 male to female ratio. That’d be ideal. Not strange at all.

It’s not about the ratio, it’s about a total amount of bodies, regardless of gender, available to run/work the country, in the future generations.

They already took a big hit in World War II, and they’re taking another hit now, and most nations taking two pop hits in a row don’t recover well.

hydrospanner ,

I mean, with Russia, it seems like it’s just been constant: WW1, revolution, WW2, Stalin’s reign, now this.

If anything, rather than WW2 and this being “in a row”, that time frame includes probably the biggest gap in the past century without a grievous population loss.

For as much as we (Americans) regard Russia (as a state) with an adversarial eye, as far as Russians (the actual common people) are concerned, I kinda feel for them. Seems like their entire history is dominated by difficulty, hardship, and death.

Then again maybe that impression is precisely the impression that the American education system has very carefully cultivated…

CosmicCleric ,
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If anything, rather than WW2 and this being “in a row”, that time frame includes probably the biggest gap in the past century without a grievous population loss.

I’m speaking towards actual graphs I’ve seen before from education videos (RealLifeLore, etc.) on the subject that show specific peaks in population drops following war, and how they affect Russia directly.

I wasn’t trying to elaborate on the whole history of Russia, just that they’ve had large population drops because of death via war.

Iamdanno ,

It’s like the copypasta about Russian history,

… and then it got worse.

recapitated ,

Best climate change refuge ever

b00m ,
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Imma start up a mail order groom app for those russian ladies

Mr_Blott ,

*Male order

uis ,
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MonkderZweite ,

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    bioemerl ,

    Kids are cheap. All you really need is food and people.

    Schools and car seats and houses are expensive, but if a generation has tons of kids, you'll have the manpower to make those things in 15 years.

    Russia is kind of fucked right now and not only in demographic decline, but making it worse by killing half their young people. Will they pull out of it? Probably not.

    But can they afford it? They absolutely can. And it's bad news for the rest of the world if they do. Don't underestimate this move. Especially because China is doing the same.

    Sanyanov ,

    China is doing that by lifting restrictions it previously had on the number of kids per family.

    In Russia there never was a limit, and a driver for change should be different. Putin asking Russians to make more kids won’t magically improve demographics. Russia is fighting battle for demographics for about 15 years now, and it yielded very little result.

    Right now people in the country are strongly uncertain about their future, economic changes leave more and more young people out of money to just live, let alone raise kids (and no, not many here will agree to have children regardless of any obstacles), and young males are actively dying on the war.

    Unless a radical change is made to the economy, to all those things listed above, Russia will not succeed in drastically improving reproduction rates.

    Source: I’m Russian.

    bioemerl , (edited )

    is doing that by lifting restrictions it previously had on the number of kids per family.

    No. They are trying to culturally push people to have kids now. Dropping one child not only didn't work, their birth rates went down since then.

    Putin asking Russians to make more kids won’t magically improve demographics

    No, but Putin can do more than ask. So can China.

    Sanyanov ,

    Russia already has

    -Childbirth propaganda everywhere

    -Payments to mothers giving birth (“mother’s capital”)

    -Strong benefits for people with kids when buying housing

    -Generous maternity leave

    -Strong infrastructure of kindergardens

    -Fairly strict anti-abortion laws

    And a lot more. It kinda already does its best.

    JimmyBigSausage ,

    Ok I will come to Russia “mother”land, have a sex change and pop out some Ruskie babies, at least 3 by next week. Line up boys!!

    z3rOR0ne ,

    Ah yes, the ol Zap Braningan Strategy.

    Brilliant strategy involving sending wave after wave of your own men to die until the war magically wins itself.

    trslim ,

    “I sent wave after wave of my own men.”

    dotslashme ,

    To be fair, those kill bots had a kill limit, this is actually worse.

    killeronthecorner ,
    @killeronthecorner@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah, Zap’s plan was, technically, flawless.

    Jaysyn ,
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    Speedrunning Hitler's failures.

    Norgur ,

    Mutterkreuz anyone?

    dumdum666 ,

    Lebensborn FTW!

    Addv4 ,

    A bit of a dark shower thought, but wouldn't this whole terrible situation really, really benefit China who has a larger male to female population as a whole?

    sukhmel ,

    I think China has already been benefitting from having a useful senile neighbour for a long time, this just allows for more benefits.

    The only reason China hasn’t merged with Russia is because then they would have to build an infrastructure there. >!Partially/s!<

    Zellith ,

    So is this him just admitting he wants to start another war in 2042 or something?

    also obligatory "Fuck Russia.. no not like that!"

    SamsonSeinfelder ,

    He is 71 right now. He would be pushing 90 in '42. If he internalizes his inner Kissinger to live to 100, he can replay the “Great Patriotic War” of '45.

    DarkGamer ,
    @DarkGamer@kbin.social avatar

    Create more children to be used as cannon fodder by a dystopian and antihumanism regime? I'm sure that will go over well.

    DaDragon ,

    To some extent, it actually does go over well, sadly.

    magnetosphere ,
    @magnetosphere@kbin.social avatar

    I knew they weren’t winning, but I didn’t realize things were this bad. Fuck. I mean, yay for Ukraine, but damn, Putin is a horrible human being.

    HuddaBudda ,
    @HuddaBudda@kbin.social avatar

    The problem is under a dictatorship no one can really tell you things are bad, until that problem boils over into another generals line of authority.

    Which for Russia, they are finding out, that even if they win this war, they will have to scale down production because they won't have the manpower for that production in 20 years

    Which means even if they can hold Crimea, they won't have the production to work Crimea as well as the Ukrainians.

    Norgur ,

    Thing is: Ukraine cannot work Crimea like it used to either because they face the same, gruesome problem

    magnetosphere ,
    @magnetosphere@kbin.social avatar

    Terrible, but least they can hope for some kind of help after the war. They’re not an international pariah like Russia is.

    ghostdoggtv ,

    The gruesome problem keeping Ukraine from working crimea is the Russian state’s insistence on wiping Ukraine off the map. It’s been 100 years of subjugation at best.

    interceder270 ,

    Things are pretty bad for Ukraine, too.

    Both of them are relying on conscription and made it illegal for military-aged men to leave the country.

    Sanyanov ,

    It is not illegal for military-aged men to leave Russia - only if you already have draft papers on hand.

    The question is - which countries are still ready to accomodate Russians on their side.

    uis ,
    @uis@lemmy.world avatar

    only if you already have draft papers on hand.

    Or with new laws if voencom marked you as drafted.

    The question is - which countries are still ready to accomodate Russians on their side.

    Btw which? Asking for a friend. Do not suggest Belarus or Kazahstan.

    Sanyanov ,

    There are always Armenia and Georgia, but they are already overburdened with Russians. There are Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, there is Azerbaijan, there is Kyrgyzstan, there is Mongolia, there is Serbia, there is Thailand, there are less obvious/more expensive/more extreme options like Equador, Palestine (eh), the Bahamas, Mauritius, Marocco, Panama, and there are unrecognized countries like South Osetia, Abkhazia, Transnistria. And if you have time to prepare visa in advance there are many, many more options.

    uis ,
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    South Osetia and Abkhazia are Putin’s puppets.

    Thanks.

    And if you have time to prepare visa in advance there are many, many more options.

    Hmm… What are chances of getting visa somewhere in EU?

    Sanyanov ,

    Slim, to say the least.

    Still, you can try getting educational/work visa somewhere in Finland, or France, for example, and go from there.

    Or, if you’re in danger other than mobilization, you can try to request political asylum - things get worse with that too, but it’s still possible.

    uis ,
    @uis@lemmy.world avatar

    Thanks

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