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esc27 ,

My vacation days are capped, but my sick days are not. I’ll take my sick days when I retire.

Sterile_Technique ,
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Surgical tech here. We have a couple boomer nurses (nurses… y’know… people who’ve taken microbiology and made it through nursing school… FUCK!) who think coming in to work when they’re sick is some kind of display of godlike work ethic.

One of those fuckers came in with a stomach flu or some shit last fall, and proceeded to infect pretty much the entire department and who knows how many patients.

We had so many call-ins through the following week or so, that we literally had to cancel a TON of surgeries because we just didn’t have the staff to do them.

Good job, Nurse Karen. You really are a rockstar for sucking it up and coming in even when you didn’t feel good… all it cost was stabbing your entire team in the stomach, costing the hospital probably a few hundred thousand in lost revenue (then again, that shit should be free anyway, so, honestly fuck the hospital), and maybe killed a patient or two after coming to us when their body is already fucked to the point of needing to cut it open to fix something - yeah they don’t have the same immune system we do.

Shit pisses me off. If you’re sick, stay the fuck at home!

stoly ,

Covid taught me that a nurse’s education is wholly inadequate. I also think they may be becoming irrelevant with so many specialized techs.

AFKBRBChocolate ,

I’m a manager and it infuriates me when I hear someone bragging about not talking sick days and coming in when they aren’t feeling well. Even before the pandemic that seemed pretty stupid and I argued against it. How anyone still thinks it’s a good idea is beyond me. If you want or need to work, fine, do it from home. Don’t come in and make other people have to deal with being sick.

It’s especially stupid where I am because sick time is discretionary by manager, and there’s no cap. So it’s not like anyone is going to run out of it.

MelodiousFunk ,

Older coworker here (Xennial). I’ve always used all of my sick days. One job had a week you could carry over to the next year. I held that week if I didn’t need it because next year I’d be making more money. Next job started with sick bank but stripped it away and lumped everything into one PTO bucket that they weren’t legally bound to offer carryover from. Oddly enough, they started having trouble with attendance in November and December as people just took days off whenever. Oh well.

Psythik ,

Older Millennial here and because I hang out at websites that Zoomers do, I’ve also started doing this. Y’all have had a major influence on the way I see life, the universe, and everything. I try to keep my sick, PTO, and UPT hours as close to 0 as I can. I call off several times a month and I’ve come into work late every single day for almost a year straight now.

If you’re going to give me the time, I’m going to use it. Only thing I save up is vacation hours for a yearly trip to wherever.

Serinus ,

come into work late every single day

That part is questionable, but if you’re just working 10a - 6p, it’s fine. If you’re making another person cover for you until 9:02, it’s absolutely not fine.

stoly ,

In your boat and managed university students. Even millennials are dinosaurs and we all just need to get out of the way.

bitchkat ,

A long time ago at a startup, we had a generous vacation time that had no carry over limit. Most of us didn’t take the full PTO allotment. The morons that the VC people wanted to change the policy to have carry over limits.

I’d send an email about this time every year to ask if they were going to limit carry over. Because I need to know when in October I have stop working for the year. Most of the founders had similar PTO accrued.

After about 3 years, they finally did it. I had to take 3 separate 4 week vacations in order to finish the year at my max carry over.

stoly ,

My father did similar his last year. He basically worked two days a week and took three days vacation for an entire year or so.

Omega_Jimes ,

I worked really hard at my first year at a big company and didn’t take any sick days. During my performance review, I scored 4/5 for attendance, even though I arrived early for every shift and did every overtime opportunity. When I asked my manager, she said it’s policy not to hand out 5’s because it sends the message that there’s no room for improvement.

No one could tell me how I could improve my attendance.

RinseDrizzle ,

Absolutely rage inducing. Care to name and shame the big company?

Omega_Jimes ,

Naw, it wasn’t a bad experience overall, once I fell into the habit of mixing sick days with vacation days.

They had some exploitable policies, doctors notes for 3+ sick days in a row but no questions asked about 1-2 days, vacation days with 2 weeks notice one day at a time with no right of refusal if there’s proper coverage.

This meant you could book Wednesday to Friday off two weeks in a row, and call in sick Monday/Tuesday two weeks in a row, giving you 10 days off for the cost of 4 sick/ 6 vacay. Other exploitable shenanigans were possible around Stat holidays.

The front line managers knew what the situation was, but HR never got wind unless something tripped the system,so if everyone works together on their sick days it was pretty good.

doingthestuff ,

I’m 50. I’ve never had 10 days off in a row. I tried to plan two weeks last year and left but had to come back early.

Psythik ,

Okay well then you don’t have to shame it; just name it.

stoly ,

This is pretty typical and not related to one specific company.

Lennnny ,
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Always max out at 4/5 effort, so there’s always room to grow.

IndiBrony ,
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I love how this comic was underneath for me

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zephorah ,

Between the younger generation and COVID redefining the acceptability of coming to work sick, the workplace does look a lot better.

gandalf_der_12te ,
@gandalf_der_12te@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Company has no loyalty at all to the employee. I could let go every day that I go to work. It’s not a question of if, but when I will be let go. So, as a consequence, I must ask myself the question: After quitting the game, will I regret sacrificing my health for yet another company?

cyborganism ,

Heck, I’m a millenial and I take mental break days when I’m feeling too overwhelmed.

macrocarpa ,

Good. Mental health is health.

Nommer ,

I’ve had to do that. Some days I just can’t deal with driving all over the state and dealing with customers

bitchkat ,

And that is the law in MN. Last year they passed a sick and wellness law that requires sick time and the law stipulates how it can be used. Mental health is one of the options.

9point6 ,

Is this something I’m too European to understand?

rockSlayer ,

Yes. American work culture is bonkers. Most places have a limited number of sick days, if they have health PTO at all. In my experience, if they offer it it’s usually 2 weeks worth, as if people are capable of controlling how often and how long they’re sick for.

gravitas_deficiency ,

Before the Rona times, people would legit flex on how dedicated they were to their jobs that they didn’t see their families as much. That’s not a joke. The work culture in the states has been absolutely toxic for ages. I’m fucking stoked it’s changing.

Nommer ,

I get 10 days a year on a sliding window. So if I call in sick in June, I won’t get that day back until June. It’s bullshit.

henfredemars ,

I’m just not allowed to get sick. Simple!

Sprokes ,

I saw a documentary where a German millionnaire was bragging about going to work with 43° flu to make you believe that he worked very hard to get rich.

oong3Eepa1ae1tahJozoosuu ,

How does it work in the US? Do you have a limited amount of sick days? It sounds like it in every article I read about it… Or is this dependent on the employer?

Dudewitbow ,

dependent by employer

oong3Eepa1ae1tahJozoosuu ,

Thanks for the info!

Mirshe ,

Totally employer dependent. Some places give you sick days and want you to use them if needed, some give you them and will absolutely throw you out if you use them, some don’t give you any, some people want you to use your PTO for sick time.

vzq ,

That definitely sounds like something the Best Country In The World ™ should have laws on.

oong3Eepa1ae1tahJozoosuu ,

Absolutely…

Infynis ,
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Ben Franklin said, “If you sacrifice liberty for security, you deserve neither,” or something like that, and America heard, “Any kind of security for any reason is communism!”

oong3Eepa1ae1tahJozoosuu ,

Horrible…

givesomefucks ,

All about the employer.

It varies greatly. There’s also the “lump sum payout” people consider at some jobs.

Some places don’t cap how much sick leave you can carry over year to year, and then when you leave they pay it at a reduced rate. So especially coming up on retirement, some people dont take it to increase that payout. Others do the opposite and use all they can at the end because then it’s full pay.

Like most things in America it’s overly complicated and everyone’s job handles it differently

fireweed ,

Also dependent on the state. Some states mandate minimum sick leave, others don’t. Then there’s the issue of paid vs unpaid: if you’re living paycheck to paycheck it doesn’t matter if you have all the unpaid sick leave in the world, you’re not going to use it because you literally can’t afford to.

oong3Eepa1ae1tahJozoosuu ,

I see, thank you.

can ,

You don’t get any federally?! Damn, I don’t want to complain too much as a Canadian but you guys are really bringing us down.

henfredemars ,

Many of us get none at all. I haven’t had a sick day for the past five years.

It’s not something to be proud of. It’s exploitation.

can ,

I’m really sorry. Please try and share this idea with others. Surely this is something the voting public could get behind if they knew how bad they really had it.

Edit: I understand the nature of your political structure makes this difficult.

Serinus ,

At least half the voting public will vote for whoever their news station of choice tells them to vote for. And all of those news stations are owned by billionaires.

JordanZ ,

This covers it.

The part you specifically asked about is a big nope.

Currently in the United States, federal law doesn’t guarantee workers a single paid day off, and many aren’t even entitled to unpaid time off.

can ,

I’m generally not surprised by this kind of thing anymore but I still wonder: how??

jjagaimo ,

My employer gives unlimited sick time but if you use too much you might have to talk to hr about taking a leave of absence if its something long term. If I am not feeling good I “call in” (i.e. send an email :•| ). We also have PTO but being salaried I get paid the same for sick days anyways. If i need a mental health day I just call in and use PTO only for vacation days like they should be used

Atsur ,

Every company I have worked for has explicitly encouraged using sick days. Specifically so the person doesn’t bring whatever bug into the office and sharing it around, causing multiple people to get sick and take time off

jewbacca117 ,

The argument against sick days is fucking bonkers to me. You want people to come in and get the rest of the office sick?? One of the many many reasons I prefer working from home.

givesomefucks ,

It’s not even that.

In an office setting sick days literally help productivity, because metrics and workload should account for employee’s work hours.

If someone’s on leave for a day, theyre taken out of production numbers.

If they “tough it out” then production numbers say they should produce a normal days workload.

You end up looking worse encouraging a work culture where people don’t take days off.

jewbacca117 ,

I don’t agree with measuring productivity that way. Coworker recently had covid, but they still worked from home. Granted, they put in maybe half the hours they would normally. But, boss was good with it as the alternative was zero work done at all. They still got some work done without burning any sick days.

RedditWanderer ,

I’m a millennial and can’t remember the last time I was too sick to work from home. Sick means I’m somehow contagious and shouldn’t be in office, but I can still get some work done. I haven’t taken a sick day in over a decade, just a work from home day. I work in software so I guess that makes it easy compared to other professions.

doingthestuff ,

Yeah that doesn’t work for kitchen staff.

Serinus ,

Count your blessings. I’ve been sick enough to mute my work call while vomiting. (They needed me that day, and mostly I just needed to be on that call.)

But I’ve absolutely had days where I couldn’t get far out of bed.

Cryophilia ,

If someone’s on leave for a day, theyre taken out of production numbers.

Ha! Good one

WhatYouNeed ,

That’s the problem with Gen Z: they don’t want to SHARE

jewbacca117 ,

GEN Z IS KILLING WORKING YOURSELF TO DEATH

zephorah ,

It’s not so much the argument it’s workplace policies that say 6 or more days a year means you can be fired with cause. A late clock-in counts as half of one of those.

At least that’s been standard at most places I’ve worked.

Welt ,

Brutal. There is a world beyond the American dystopia, you know.

jewbacca117 ,

That’s rough. Not even my shittier jobs have had that policy

Cryophilia ,

You need a new career, yikes

Nommer ,

I got a bad cold or something one time. I spent 2 weeks working from home then the boss told me to go to a doctor. Went and they found nothing so I had to come in. 1.5 weeks later I was over it but not before the rest of the office got pissed at me for getting them sick. I just told them I was forced to come in.

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
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From my experience, it is everyone, regardless of age. COVID changed things.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
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I’ve started wearing a mask if I’m feeling sick, which was unthinkable before 2020.

catloaf ,

I just stay home when I’m sick unless I have to go out. And then I wear a mask.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
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I just stay home as much as possible

Luvs2Spuj ,

For some people perhaps. I sadly still go to an office occasionally and I’m astonished that there are people clearly unwell coughing and sneezing all over the place. Last time I went I came back with Covid and was out for nearly a week.

MelodiousFunk ,

My ex-coworker used to come in obviously sick. “Yeah I’ve got all the NyQuil symptoms.” He would then proceed to cough all over the shared workspace for 4 hours, inevitably coming to the conclusion that he needed to go home. Not coincidentally, this was also about the time that volume picked up and the real work started.

He also got mad at me once when I didn’t congratulate him for cutting back on smoking after he spent two+ weeks in the hospital for COPD.

Thankfully we no longer work together anymore. I quit and he died in his 50s.

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