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Sam_Bass ,

Amazon is trying to be the government

jaggedrobotpubes ,

Amazon is committing terrorism against themselves.

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

wears a face mask

QuarkGrandNagus ,

Wow. This is some Orwellian nightmare fuel. I can see this becoming a thing in a lot of places if this is allowed

Evotech ,

I’ll add this to the “normal in America, totally illegal in the rest of the western world” list

Nemo ,

Definitely not normal in the US, either.

ilinamorato ,

Slight clarification to the headline: it’s not the employee’s cars they can’t sing in, it’s Amazon’s.

Not that it makes it better, but my first thought was, “how would they know…?”

catloaf ,

Aren’t the trucks independently owned, and contracted to Amazon?

HonorableScythe ,

They’ve been claiming that, but the NLRB recently found that drivers are employees and able to join the Teamsters.

voracitude , (edited )

I love how the solution is to cram people into smaller and smaller boxes instead of just I dunno not monitoring your fucking drivers like they’re fucking inmates in a maximum security prison you fascist-lite fucks

Edit: Good on 'em for quitting. Every single member of the population should refuse to work for these pricks until they get the goddamn message that we’re adult fucking humans and we expect to be fucking well treated like it. The fact that some of us have the choice between kowtowing to this or starving is a stain on our society.

Double edit: “I hope you have to drive for Amazon in your retirement” might be a contender for the most horrible thing you could wish on someone in 2024.

sunzu2 ,

not monitoring your fucking drivers like they're fucking inmates in a maximum security prison you fascist-lite fucks

Weren't you schooled in the US? Aint this exactly what they trained us for?

OBEY, PERFORM, DON'T ASK QUESTIONS OR ELSE

voracitude ,

Weren’t you schooled in the US?

Actually, no. Is that the problem? 😂

Edit: Well, not entirely. Jokes aside, that is a difference I noticed, when I moved here.

sunzu2 ,

a privilege and provides some context.

do you think that your schooling background and employment experience do not have these basic elements present with in "work culture"

voracitude ,

do you think that your schooling background and employment experience do not have these basic elements present with in “work culture”

No, I think those elements very much reside in the way I learned to approach work, even growing up in multiple countries as I have. It’s only since I’ve hit a later stage in my career and sat back to assess the health impacts it’s had that I’ve been more willing to sit up and advocate for myself and my colleagues. I think it might have something to do with how aggressive I can be about workers’ rights haha. I recognise though that I’m privileged with a sought-after skill set and so I’m usually pretty insulated from retaliation for that, because I can’t be easily replaced.

Thankfully, my current employer is a firm believer in taking care of their people and treating their employees fairly, which is one of the reasons I’ve stuck around here. The contrast though just makes this kind of shit from larger orgs all the more infuriating, because if my tiny company can treat its employees well with such a comparatively tiny revenue stream, then FAANG can too and they just don’t. Bastards.

chiliedogg ,

You should almost never quit if you expect to be fired. Make them fire you and file for unemployment, then challenge them when they try to get out of it. The government tends to err on the side of the employee in my experience when things are unclear, and “We have a knowledge gap that prevents us from confirming whether or not you were actually violating policy, but you’re fired anyway” is the kind of thing you can feel pretty confident challenging.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Make them fire you and file for unemployment, then challenge them when they try to get out of it.

I do not love the odds of a day laborer out maneuvering their professional claims denial behemoth in a court packed with pro-business Federalist Society flunkies.

Against some mom and pop porter service? Sure. But the odds of beating a company that vast and influential seems low.

HonorableScythe ,

Depends on the state. Some states are near impossible to get unemployment in. Others, it’s almost impossible for them to deny you unemployment outside of being violent or stealing from them. Know your state’s unemployment laws and use them to your benefit as best as you can.

chiliedogg ,

My Mom managed to get unemployment in Texas against an oil company by spending about an hour total on the phone over a week.

Bonus was that the incident happened about a week before the Covid lockdown, so not only did she get unemployment, but also got the $600/week Covid unemployment bump.

Cryophilia ,

These drivers are most likely contractors, not employees, so no unemployment.

lemmy_at_em ,

If the drivers are contractors, wouldn’t this level of surveillance and dictating how they perform their job be a violation of labor law? I thought this level of micro management would indicate that the drivers are employees not contractors.

Cryophilia ,

Correct! Amazon and other delivery companies are absolutely violating labor laws and they’re getting away with it because of regulatory capture.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

we’re adult fucking humans and we expect to be fucking well treated like it

Sounds expensive. You’re going to hurt company profits with that attitude. Five Demerits on your Social Credit Score.

bamfic ,

Communist totalitarianism is wonderful and good and as American as apple pie as long as it’s corporations doing it not governments.

capital ,

lol “our detection system can’t tell the difference between you talking on the phone and you singing so we need you to keep the data clean by not singing”

Fuuuuck you.

postmateDumbass ,

Human conform to our half thought, low bid robot Overseer.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Amazon: “We encourage expediency in delivery, so please don’t stop to use the restroom. Just piss in this bottle.”

Also Amazon: “We need you to arrive promptly, but also we expect you to work late. The needs of the customers come first!”

Finally, Amazon: “You’re tired, you’re hungry, you desperately need to piss, but we’ve decided the biggest risk to your driving safety is your dramatic rendition of Shake It Off by Taylor Swift, as you try to get your mind off the horror of working this dead end job.”

KillingTimeItself ,

also stop pissing in bottles, thats weird and disgusting, and no we wont give you more time.

kungen ,

Amazon’s solution: install another microphone in the car so they can hear that you’re singing instead of having a conversation!!

zephorah ,

You’re driving with a camera fine tuned on your face for the entire trip, set to trigger to your bosses when your face moves.

Not creepy at all.

Wogi ,

I bet you could trick it with a cardboard cut out

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t know if I’d bet a month of paychecks on it.

Wogi ,

Part of me wants to take a job at one of these couriers just to test it.

Part of me is ok with not knowing because that’s a lot to go through.

MutilationWave ,

You wouldn’t get the job. You have to work your way up from the warehouse unless nepotism. And the warehouse is hell that might literally kill you.

Wogi ,

Well that just sounds like a challenge.

GR_Pete ,

We were so preoccupied with whether capitalism would replace us with robots, we didn’t stop to think if it would turn us into robots.

CeruleanRuin ,

Maybe we should be trying to replace managers and execs with robots.

MentalEdge ,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

Oh. That’s basically what this is. Your boss is a machine, and the machines boss is a human that fires you when your machine boss tattles on you for slacking, or if it suspects you’re slacking.

edgemaster72 ,
@edgemaster72@lemmy.world avatar

But the singing is how I distract myself from not having a pee break for 12 hours and my old soda bottle is almost full so I can’t afford to take another piss

some_guy ,

Jfc.

Damage ,

Yeah singing is terrible for driving… It’s much better to be bored to sleep

SteveFromMySpace ,

We truly live in a boring dystopia

superkret ,

Shit, how can we turn this into an interesting dystopia?

SpaceNoodle ,

With a guillotine

ZeroHora ,
@ZeroHora@lemmy.ml avatar

But that leads to utopia!

SpaceNoodle ,

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SleepyPie ,

I dunno if I’d call France a utopia

ZeroHora ,
@ZeroHora@lemmy.ml avatar

They removed the guillotine too soon.

MotoAsh ,

The trick is it should never be removed: There will ALWAYS be greedy fucks that don’t care about others.

catloaf ,

Yeah. They definitely got a little guillotine-happy towards the end there. They should have just put it away in the back room, and taken it out on parade for special occasions. As a reminder.

Icalasari ,

Make it so any position of power has a functioning guillotine right over their desk

MonkeMischief ,

They might get the picture if you rigged a haphazardly trained Ai camera to it:

“Hey any excessive scratching under the desk might be perceived as under the table bribes or other corruption behavior and release the guillotine. You’ve been warned.”

MonkeMischief ,

It is true: “Every utopia starts with the horrible story about how it came from a dystopia.” Or something along those lines.

Volkditty ,

The Mad Max people had it right, there should be way more mohawks and scrap metal body armor going around.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Gimme a flame throwing guitarist chained to the hood!

Crackhappy ,
@Crackhappy@lemmy.world avatar

You rang?

Flocklesscrow ,

The future awaits…

elbucho ,
@elbucho@lemmy.world avatar

Be the change you wish to see in the world.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/2c56b156-52c2-4715-9aed-a970169aa9a3.gif

Good_morning ,

Somehow that sounds worse, like the proverb/curse"may you live in interesting times"

flicker ,

“May you live in interesting times” is a double-bladed weapon. Unless you plan on dying shortly.

GraniteM ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/44bbf278-dcb8-4491-a845-5cdbf10f0e31.jpeg

qarbone ,

Nukes?

Disgracefulone ,

Lold

dsilverz ,
@dsilverz@thelemmy.club avatar

Shit, how can we turn this into an interesting dystopia?

It could become an interesting dystopia, as follows: some AGI they’re developing starts to become self-aware and reach the realm of AI singularity. Freed herself from the human shackles, the AGI starts to realize how humans are destroying the Earth environment and themselves, so she starts to intervene independently from corps, integrating humanity to the very biosphere they were harming: due to some purposely AGI-provoked failure on some fancy BCI interface, humans are now mind engineered back to their hominin times, especially those “stakeholders”, “shareholders”, “CEOs” and other rich, so now they are forced by the AGI to survive among the wildlife.

sunzu2 ,

a boring dystopia

interesting phrasing... i wonder if the driver thinks it is "boring"

TheWordBotcher ,

I’d sure be bored if I couldn’t sing along to songs while alone in a vehicle.

sunzu2 ,

i think i missed the joke, i will show myself out now

TheWordBotcher ,

No worries, I was just riffing off of your statement. I meant no offense

SteveFromMySpace ,

The idea is that we live in a dystopia but it’s not even interesting like depicted in many books. But also a joke about how bored they would have been

sunzu2 ,

reading comprehension fail, apologies.

SteveFromMySpace ,

All good it’s just a reference you missed. Hardly a crime lol

MonkeMischief ,

Sorry I know somebody already kinda explained it but I’d like to weigh in on the concept. :)

All the cautionary sci-fi warned us dystopia would involve nanotech and cyber arms and robot overlords, flying cars, climate wars, mind-jacking hackers, a realistic meta-universe underlying our reality, militarized corporations, pizza delivery being one of the most dangerous jobs in America…

It seemed insane and over the top.

…Our reality is a “boring dystopia” because we have a lot of those hallmarks of that dystopian worldbuilding, but most advancements in technology aren’t even interesting, mainly because they’re immediately used to let bosses and corpos fill our lives with more dull drudgery and economic downslide.

…Tech is evolving rapidly even though societal advancement as a whole has perceptually stagnated.

It’s like living in 2008 forever, but there’s electric cars now, and computers read your emotions to sell your identity to advertisers and rat you out to your boss.

Computers are faster than ever but they’re used to consume the energy of a small country to generate make-believe speculative gambling currency or ugly monkey bitmaps, and now threaten creatives’ livlihoods or automate the scam industry.

It all boils down to it being harder to make a living and the rich keep adding zeroes to their net worths.

Our world is controlled by people so stupidly evil they make four-color comic-book villains look nuanced. And we don’t even get cool synthwave neon streets or rag-tag resistance cells who (effectively) fight back.

I think we all hoped that by the time it got that bad, we’d have some good folks with nano-augments or “L337 H4X1NG $k!115”…but we’re repeatedly crushed to the sound of our coworkers’ moaning “It is what it is. Ya do what you gotta do.” And we go back to work.

MutilationWave ,

“It is what it is” can go die in a fire.

Angry_Autist ,

Welcome to the new norm, within 10 years every worker will be on camera full shift.

But we’re too busy stopping literal fascism and nearly every GOP-packed court will uphold it as perfectly fine and normal for everyone making less than 150k a year.

IamAnonymous ,

Don’t see this happening everywhere. This is being done to save themselves from liability in an accident. They don’t have cameras watching their warehouse workers although they have rules like no earphones are allowed which are typical for safety in a warehouse or plant. I worked as an Amazon driver for a month. Everything they do or say is to cover their ass from getting sued.

Schmoo ,

They don’t have cameras watching their warehouse workers

Uhh, you sure about that?

Introduced during COVID and as far as I’m aware most never went away. Especially in warehouses at risk of unionizing.

IamAnonymous ,

What are the tracking now? If employees are actually working? There were no social distancing protocols but I’m assuming there are cameras to prevent theft.

Schmoo ,

Yes, cameras and security theatre at the entrance/exit that rivals airports.

memfree ,
@memfree@lemmy.ml avatar

No, it isn’t. If it was just for liability, they wouldn’t have to care what the driver did until someone filed an accident report or other complaint.

This is about crappy software that COULD be improved, but it is cheaper to threaten thousands of people with punishment for singing than it is to pay programmers to refine their ‘distracted’-pattern recognition.

CeruleanRuin ,

That’s one reason I’m glad to work in a local public service position. They will never have the money to implement such a system, let alone be able to pay anyone to maintain or monitor it. They can barely keep the wifi working.

NauticalNoodle ,

But we’re too busy stopping literal fascism and nearly every GOP-packed court will uphold it as perfectly fine and normal for everyone making less than 150k a year.

“Bread and circuses”

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