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nnullzz ,

This is absolutely terrible and definitely feels like an invasion of, idk, being a human?! But with that said, even though people find out stuff like this happens to drivers and workers, they still enable it by ordering from Amazon because of convenience.

Until we can pull away on our reliance on these services, the companies are just gonna keep crossing more and more lines because they know they’re getting away with it with their customers.

TheSambassador ,

Until we can make crossing those lines painful for those companies, they’ll keep doing it. Unfortunately, I think convenience is always going to beat morality if you leave it to “voting with your dollar”, we need actual regulations from our governments to combat this shit.

WarlordSdocy ,

It’s just that most people just genuinely don’t care enough about what’s happening to other people enough to do anything beyond just saying that Amazon is bad. On top of that as Amazon starts to drive other stores out of business it does start to slowly become the only choice for getting certain things. So with those two combined expecting personal consumer choice to really make a difference is not realistic, this is the kind of thing that needs the government to intervene on to force Amazon to unionize and to potentially break it up like is being discussed with Google.

TokenBoomer ,

If the workforce was 100% unionized, they may realize they don’t need bosses. There’s a word for this, but I can’t think of it right now.

bufalo1973 ,
@bufalo1973@lemmy.ml avatar

If it’s step 1, cooperatives. If it’s step 2, communism.

TokenBoomer ,

Yeah, we should totally stop eating to show the grocery stores they can’t control their employees. /s

minorkeys ,

If you want a robot then hire a robot!

We’re trying. We aren’t quite there yet. Just keep suffering for a feeew more years, then you won’t have to worry about our micromanaging.

Rooskie91 ,

Why spend all the money union busting then do shit like this. Won’t this just starts another round of unionization?

TokenBoomer ,

We’re not far from incurring debts from suicides that our families will have to repay.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Not sure if you think those don’t exist

TokenBoomer ,

That moment when you realize that dystopian future you’re imagining already exist.

Fosheze ,

They don’t at least in most of the western world you can’t inherit debt. It all comes out of the estate and if the estate isn’t worth enough then the lenders are out of luck. Now that doesn’t mean that unscrupulous lenders won’t try to go after the family but legally they don’t have a leg to stand on as long as you don’t start paying them. At least in the US if you pay them anything then they can take that to court as you agreeing to pick up the debt but if you just tell them to go pound sand then they can’t do anything.

Anticorp ,

They spent all that money union busting so they can do shit like this.

srecko ,

It’s 1964, you read this in a short story. You think its funny impossible distopia.

CptEnder ,

Phillip K Dick would be out of a job in 2024.

orl0pl ,

It’s good that Amazon is not dominant in Poland.

Banik2008 ,

Allegro really is much better for many things. I find myself using it much more than Amazon nowadays.

boonhet ,

It’s not dominant here in Estonia either, but neither is there a clear alternative. But maybe that’s a good thing, you can still order your things from different online retailers rather than relying on just one

_sideffect ,

“What? No I wasn’t singing, I just kept saying “FUCK YOU BEZOS” during my trips”

Banik2008 ,

Jeff Bezos hasn’t been CEO of Amazon for a few years. Now it’s that bland twat Andy Jassy, who has all of the fascism but none of the intelligence of his predecessor.

omarfw ,

I pray for the downfall of Amazon.

patacon_pisao ,

It amazes me how they go great lengths to piss off both consumers and their workers to maximize profits

LadyMeow ,

Why? Theyre making gobs of money anyway. How many people car? Everyone keeps using it anyway. Just good business at this point

Anticorp ,

They are the size of a world power, and they have their hands in everything. They’re not falling any time soon.

capital ,

lol “our detection system can’t tell the difference between you talking on the phone and you singing so we need you to keep the data clean by not singing”

Fuuuuck you.

postmateDumbass ,

Human conform to our half thought, low bid robot Overseer.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Amazon: “We encourage expediency in delivery, so please don’t stop to use the restroom. Just piss in this bottle.”

Also Amazon: “We need you to arrive promptly, but also we expect you to work late. The needs of the customers come first!”

Finally, Amazon: “You’re tired, you’re hungry, you desperately need to piss, but we’ve decided the biggest risk to your driving safety is your dramatic rendition of Shake It Off by Taylor Swift, as you try to get your mind off the horror of working this dead end job.”

KillingTimeItself ,

also stop pissing in bottles, thats weird and disgusting, and no we wont give you more time.

Hupf ,
@Hupf@feddit.org avatar

Simply don’t drink and drive™️

kungen ,

Amazon’s solution: install another microphone in the car so they can hear that you’re singing instead of having a conversation!!

gravitas_deficiency ,

Oh no, the camera lens broke! Oh well 🤷‍♂️

Seriously though, as a software engineer, this is some grade A USDA choice bullshit. The solution isn’t “don’t move your mouth”. The solution is fix the fucking ML training set.

Bertz ,

No, the solution is to throw all that machine vision micro-managing shit away. It belongs in the factory sorting goods.

gravitas_deficiency ,

Well, yeah, but I’m not here to do an RCA - I’m just calling out the fact that they’re treating the symptom, but it’s the wrong symptom that’s being treated.

memfree ,
@memfree@lemmy.ml avatar

Exactly! In fact ENCOURAGE singing to get a better data set for fixing the software!

Angry_Autist ,

Welcome to the new norm, within 10 years every worker will be on camera full shift.

But we’re too busy stopping literal fascism and nearly every GOP-packed court will uphold it as perfectly fine and normal for everyone making less than 150k a year.

IamAnonymous ,

Don’t see this happening everywhere. This is being done to save themselves from liability in an accident. They don’t have cameras watching their warehouse workers although they have rules like no earphones are allowed which are typical for safety in a warehouse or plant. I worked as an Amazon driver for a month. Everything they do or say is to cover their ass from getting sued.

Schmoo ,

They don’t have cameras watching their warehouse workers

Uhh, you sure about that?

Introduced during COVID and as far as I’m aware most never went away. Especially in warehouses at risk of unionizing.

IamAnonymous ,

What are the tracking now? If employees are actually working? There were no social distancing protocols but I’m assuming there are cameras to prevent theft.

Schmoo ,

Yes, cameras and security theatre at the entrance/exit that rivals airports.

memfree ,
@memfree@lemmy.ml avatar

No, it isn’t. If it was just for liability, they wouldn’t have to care what the driver did until someone filed an accident report or other complaint.

This is about crappy software that COULD be improved, but it is cheaper to threaten thousands of people with punishment for singing than it is to pay programmers to refine their ‘distracted’-pattern recognition.

CeruleanRuin ,

That’s one reason I’m glad to work in a local public service position. They will never have the money to implement such a system, let alone be able to pay anyone to maintain or monitor it. They can barely keep the wifi working.

NauticalNoodle ,

But we’re too busy stopping literal fascism and nearly every GOP-packed court will uphold it as perfectly fine and normal for everyone making less than 150k a year.

“Bread and circuses”

bamfic ,

Wear a mask

Anticorp ,

No. Fight these assholes passing these policies just so they can save a few pennies on insurance.

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Wear a mask printed with your own face.

voracitude , (edited )

I love how the solution is to cram people into smaller and smaller boxes instead of just I dunno not monitoring your fucking drivers like they’re fucking inmates in a maximum security prison you fascist-lite fucks

Edit: Good on 'em for quitting. Every single member of the population should refuse to work for these pricks until they get the goddamn message that we’re adult fucking humans and we expect to be fucking well treated like it. The fact that some of us have the choice between kowtowing to this or starving is a stain on our society.

Double edit: “I hope you have to drive for Amazon in your retirement” might be a contender for the most horrible thing you could wish on someone in 2024.

sunzu2 ,

not monitoring your fucking drivers like they're fucking inmates in a maximum security prison you fascist-lite fucks

Weren't you schooled in the US? Aint this exactly what they trained us for?

OBEY, PERFORM, DON'T ASK QUESTIONS OR ELSE

voracitude ,

Weren’t you schooled in the US?

Actually, no. Is that the problem? 😂

Edit: Well, not entirely. Jokes aside, that is a difference I noticed, when I moved here.

sunzu2 ,

a privilege and provides some context.

do you think that your schooling background and employment experience do not have these basic elements present with in "work culture"

voracitude ,

do you think that your schooling background and employment experience do not have these basic elements present with in “work culture”

No, I think those elements very much reside in the way I learned to approach work, even growing up in multiple countries as I have. It’s only since I’ve hit a later stage in my career and sat back to assess the health impacts it’s had that I’ve been more willing to sit up and advocate for myself and my colleagues. I think it might have something to do with how aggressive I can be about workers’ rights haha. I recognise though that I’m privileged with a sought-after skill set and so I’m usually pretty insulated from retaliation for that, because I can’t be easily replaced.

Thankfully, my current employer is a firm believer in taking care of their people and treating their employees fairly, which is one of the reasons I’ve stuck around here. The contrast though just makes this kind of shit from larger orgs all the more infuriating, because if my tiny company can treat its employees well with such a comparatively tiny revenue stream, then FAANG can too and they just don’t. Bastards.

chiliedogg ,

You should almost never quit if you expect to be fired. Make them fire you and file for unemployment, then challenge them when they try to get out of it. The government tends to err on the side of the employee in my experience when things are unclear, and “We have a knowledge gap that prevents us from confirming whether or not you were actually violating policy, but you’re fired anyway” is the kind of thing you can feel pretty confident challenging.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Make them fire you and file for unemployment, then challenge them when they try to get out of it.

I do not love the odds of a day laborer out maneuvering their professional claims denial behemoth in a court packed with pro-business Federalist Society flunkies.

Against some mom and pop porter service? Sure. But the odds of beating a company that vast and influential seems low.

HonorableScythe ,

Depends on the state. Some states are near impossible to get unemployment in. Others, it’s almost impossible for them to deny you unemployment outside of being violent or stealing from them. Know your state’s unemployment laws and use them to your benefit as best as you can.

chiliedogg ,

My Mom managed to get unemployment in Texas against an oil company by spending about an hour total on the phone over a week.

Bonus was that the incident happened about a week before the Covid lockdown, so not only did she get unemployment, but also got the $600/week Covid unemployment bump.

Cryophilia ,

These drivers are most likely contractors, not employees, so no unemployment.

lemmy_at_em ,

If the drivers are contractors, wouldn’t this level of surveillance and dictating how they perform their job be a violation of labor law? I thought this level of micro management would indicate that the drivers are employees not contractors.

Cryophilia ,

Correct! Amazon and other delivery companies are absolutely violating labor laws and they’re getting away with it because of regulatory capture.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

we’re adult fucking humans and we expect to be fucking well treated like it

Sounds expensive. You’re going to hurt company profits with that attitude. Five Demerits on your Social Credit Score.

bamfic ,

Communist totalitarianism is wonderful and good and as American as apple pie as long as it’s corporations doing it not governments.

circuitfarmer ,
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

When we eating the rich? I’m pretty hungry.

blindbunny ,

Starved even

circuitfarmer ,
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Perhaps even peckish.

undergroundoverground ,

Positively famished, myself

pingveno ,

I’m sorry, that’s too much mouth movement. You are now on probation.

spirinolas ,

We should keep mouth movement to a minimum so…chew the rich with your mouth closed.

circuitfarmer ,
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Maybe we could make a fine paste. Space program style, and just squeeze it into a closed mouth.

Soylent Gold is rich people.

spirinolas ,

Eat the rich with a straw!

catloaf ,

Drink the rich?

TodaviaTyler ,

I will maliciously comply!

Burninator05 ,

Just make sure you’re either not driving or somehow learn how to eat without using your mouth.

catloaf ,

Boof the rich

Agent641 ,

You dont need to wait for everyone else to say grace, you can start now.

Octospider ,

Well if you’re ordering food… I’d like to order one large Bezos with extra Musk, please. Wait, make that Buffet… no no, Gates. With Branson on half.

MedicPigBabySaver ,

Set the goddamn table!

zephorah ,

You’re driving with a camera fine tuned on your face for the entire trip, set to trigger to your bosses when your face moves.

Not creepy at all.

Wogi ,

I bet you could trick it with a cardboard cut out

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t know if I’d bet a month of paychecks on it.

Wogi ,

Part of me wants to take a job at one of these couriers just to test it.

Part of me is ok with not knowing because that’s a lot to go through.

MutilationWave ,

You wouldn’t get the job. You have to work your way up from the warehouse unless nepotism. And the warehouse is hell that might literally kill you.

Wogi ,

Well that just sounds like a challenge.

NauticalNoodle ,

I mean Amazon started it’s driving program to undercut UPS -A union shop. How is this not just scabs getting their comeuppance?

xantoxis ,

Did you really just blame the drivers for this?

NauticalNoodle , (edited )

The non-union drivers in cooperation with Amazon* actively undermined another established union. Sure, yeah. I’d say until they organize or shut-down, they can share some of the blame.

There is no game-changing paradigm shift to Amazons delivery driver business model. It was always simply to undercut an established middle-man that already had unionized. It’s just deregulation & union-busting with an extra degree of separation. It’s disappointing that so many laborers don’t recognize this.

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