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maegul , in TIL that in Melbourne, a 1 : 1 000 000 000 scale model of the solar system includes a mini-Proxima-Centauri that is one-time-around-the-entire-world away at this scale.
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This is one of my favourite things!

I’ve walked most of it (though I couldn’t find Saturn for some reason … I suspect it was stolen).

And yea … it’s a ridiculously effective demonstration of how hard it is to comprehend big numbers. I knew these numbers, or had read them before hand, and thought about them … but seeing it all to scale was kinda devastating … like the distances between the outer planets are huuuge … you get tired walking them even though the planets are 5cms wide.

And yea, the proxima centauri thing is a very nice touch!

victorz , in TIL that in Melbourne, a 1 : 1 000 000 000 scale model of the solar system includes a mini-Proxima-Centauri that is one-time-around-the-entire-world away at this scale.

Very cool other facts in that PDF as well.

AlexisFR , in TIL That reddits "most addicted city" is eglin air force base FL
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Yes, 11 years ago.

pop ,

ikr? they probably have an Internet PR task force on every base by now.

pelletbucket , in TIL Haydn's "Surprise Symphony" was NOT written to wake up sleeping audience members; that was just a myth

it is, however, the reason Emeril Lagasse yells BAM!

apparently he used to be a culinary teacher and he would do it to wake people up.

sanguinepar , in TIL That reddits "most addicted city" is eglin air force base FL
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What does it mean by most addicted? And why are Glasgow and Edinburgh right up top?

sadbehr ,
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Addicted to reddit, not drugs.

sanguinepar ,
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That’s what I thought, but really? Of all the cities in the world, the top two are 50 miles apart in central Scotland?

DragonTypeWyvern ,

There’s going to be a military or intelligence agency behind them both. Possibly corporate, but who knows? Maybe Glasgow is the big name in internet marketing.

Scotland had a notable community but not that notable regardless.

hakunawazo , in TIL India had a tradition in the 1970s of making military helicopters look like animals
hakunawazo , in TIL The candlefish is so rich in oils that when supplied with a wick it can be burned like a candle"

Underwater?

thesporkeffect , in TIL That reddits "most addicted city" is eglin air force base FL

This is because they are doing influence ops out of that base, right?

ShitOnABrick OP ,
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Yup

sunzu ,

Making comments like this gets you on their special lists :)

thesporkeffect ,
Lost_My_Mind ,

Lists are cool? Lists are COOL???

YOU JUST MADE THE LIST!!!

alcoholicorn , (edited )

No, it’s because that’s where they counter the <insert enemy of the state department>'s propaganda with truth and facts.

Same reason Reddit’s director of policy comes from The Council on Foreign Relations and worked for Madelin Albright. They certainly wouldn’t be using Reddit to influence the perceptions of Americans, the primary users of Reddit.

homesweethomeMrL ,

Just standard Pooty-poot simping MAGA Qult materials. Nothing of note really.

sundray ,

Or it’s an exit node for some internal network/VPN.

Which would be stupid opsec, but then again…

Lost_My_Mind ,

What I have learned is that if you have a simple explaination, but it’s really really stupid, that’s still probably what happened. Because people are stupid.

Rakonat ,

Not stupid as you think if its being used as a tunnel for overseas stations to have a clear route to send encrypted traffic.

sundray ,

Fair enough, and if all the outgoing traffic to Reddit is innocuous, then there’s nothing to hide. Not great if it is some kind of hub of an operation to influence Reddit.

AlexisFR ,
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Likely not, back then it was probably just bored air force nerds stuck in Florida.

Rakonat ,

Its also a training base so you goy that going, but that’s definitely not enough to compare to the ops dept.

Mango , in TIL about Roko's Basilisk, a thought experiment considered by some to be an "information hazard" - a concept or idea that can cause you harm by you simply knowing/understanding it

So the Matrix?

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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More like a Chain Letter.

There was a trend when I was a little kid of people sending you mail that said something to the effect of “You have been cursed by reading this letter. If you don’t mail a copy to ten other people, you will die in thirty days.”

Roko’s Basilisk is a modern manifestation of human paranoia and superstition. It exists to exploit and extort the gullible.

bamfic ,

Its christian fundamentalism in tech sunglasses

ShitOnABrick OP , in TIL That reddits "most addicted city" is eglin air force base FL
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superduperpirate ,

Reminds me of the pictures of the /baltimore meetup that did nothing to refute stereotypes of redditors

herrcaptain ,

That picture is forever burned into my mind when I think of Reddit.

I’d love to see one for Lemmy. I suspect it’d be largely the same except about 25% of us pasty nerds would be trans women, and there would be a lot of Linux merch on display.

JCreazy ,

I feel a lot of people on Lemmy aren’t the type to show up to meetups.

herrcaptain ,

True. Most of us are too paranoid or anti-social. (Including myself, to a fair degree.)

elephantium ,
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I used to be subbed to several local subreddits, including a [mylocation]-social.

The difference in tone between people I knew from the `social meetups vs. the people in the generic city/state subreddits was truly amazing.

NOPper ,

You know what? I’d go if I was local just to see.

herrcaptain ,

Likewise. Though judging from the Lemmy community for my province and it’s biggest city, maybe 3 people would show up.

ShitOnABrick OP ,
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Any pictures of this Alabama family reunion

Xyre ,

I actually recognize some of those pixels! That was back before the meetups got taken over by corporate…

Gradually_Adjusting , in TIL about Roko's Basilisk, a thought experiment considered by some to be an "information hazard" - a concept or idea that can cause you harm by you simply knowing/understanding it
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Read the comments under this post. You will surely not regret learning every bleak and twisted thing Lemmy users can think of

sheogorath ,

Thanks for the warning. I just got my first Uber unique in Diablo 4 and I don’t want my day to be ruined.

Gradually_Adjusting ,
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Oh shit, of course Sheogorath shows up in this thread

samus12345 , in TIL about Roko's Basilisk, a thought experiment considered by some to be an "information hazard" - a concept or idea that can cause you harm by you simply knowing/understanding it
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Pascal’s Wager always seemed really flawed to me even through a purely Christian perspective. You’re saying that god is so oblivious (even though he’s supposed to be omniscient) that he’ll be fooled by you claiming to believe just because you’re hedging your bets? The actual reason it’s dumb is that it’s not a binary choice since there are thousands of ways people claim you can be saved in various religions.

Cryophilia ,

That’s…what?

samus12345 ,
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It is also regarded as a simplified, derivative version of Pascal’s wager.

It was a response to this part.

Cryophilia ,

Ah gotcha I somehow missed that part

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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You’re saying that god is so oblivious (even though he’s supposed to be omniscient) that he’ll be fooled by you claiming to believe just because you’re hedging your bets?

More that repetition reinforces an idea. By commiting to the bit and accepting a God at face value, you reduce your psychological defenses when the priest or prophet comes around with the next ask.

So you admit you believe in God? Then you won’t mind putting a few coins in the collection plate to prove it.

Oh, you’ve already donated? Surely you’d be comfortable making a confession.

My son, you’ve got so many sins! Surely you’d like to join our prayer group to get yourself right with the God we all agree exists.

Can’t have prayer without works! Time to do some penance.

adhocfungus ,

Most importantly, since there are infinite other options in-between that are just as likely as God existing, some can have negative reward values if you choose “worship God anyway”. It is just as likely that there is a vengeful Anti-God that will torture you for eternity if you worship the Abrahamic God, which would completely negate the rewards from the original wager.

samus12345 ,
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The “wager” that makes the most sense to me, then, is to behave as if there is no god that cares what you do or who you worship. Try your best to be a positive force in the world, because whether anything we do matters to the universe or not, it matters to us humans.

curiousaur ,

His whole point though makes those other thousands irrelevant. Even if there’s a chance, however small, you’re still better off doing it just in case.

Here’s my favorite variation of the same pragmatism.

FiniteBanjo ,

But if he considered that, then he also would have considered not believing in anything was an equally probable bet for salvation. Which is clearly not the case.

curiousaur ,

Why is it equally probable to believe nothing? No atheist is preaching damnation if you believe in God lol.

FiniteBanjo ,

Preaching of damnation is not evidence of damnation. There is just as likely a god who punishes you for believing anything wrong as there is a god who punishes you for not believing in them specifically.

curiousaur ,

Evidence was never part of his theory. Why are you using it as an argument?

He was not in the business of making up new possible religions. Only assessing the currently geographically popular ones.

FiniteBanjo ,

You seem to not understand the discussion we’re having.

curiousaur ,

What a pathetic cop out response. I assure you I do, though I shouldn’t have to.

JTskulk ,

I mean he ruined a man’s entire family to win a bet with someone he doesn’t even like, being this oblivious is on-brand for God.

samus12345 ,
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Very true - Old Testament god in particular was really dumb and didn’t even know what was going on in the next town over.

CitizenKong , in TIL about Roko's Basilisk, a thought experiment considered by some to be an "information hazard" - a concept or idea that can cause you harm by you simply knowing/understanding it

I, for one, welcome our inevitable AI overlords.

UnPassive , in TIL about Roko's Basilisk, a thought experiment considered by some to be an "information hazard" - a concept or idea that can cause you harm by you simply knowing/understanding it

I was raised Mormon (LDS) and there are parallels; basically they believe Mormonism is the one true and complete denomination of Christianity and once you learn this, you need to spread that truth (mandatory 2 year missions for men, and a STRONG culture of missionary work through life), also, no one goes to hell in Mormonism except those who learned this truth and then later denied it/left it (called a son of perdition).

So my parents believe I’ll go to hell without the likes of Hitler because he never was taught “the truth” lol

KevonLooney ,

my parents believe I’ll go to hell without the likes of Hitler

And that’s a bad thing?

MachineFab812 ,

Means Hitler is in Heaven. If its even slightly less Hellish than wherever they end up, then yes, bad thing.

UnPassive ,

Not saying anyone deserves eternal punishment for finite sins, but I do believe I’m more moral than Hitler - so it seems a but unfair to me. And silly for them to believe it’s true.

KevonLooney ,

I can tell you are an ex-Mormon. You are still thinking like a conservative. You are thinking of a hierarchy where you are more moral than Hitler. You believe it’s unfair that Hitler has a better outcome than you.

I’m asking you to think more like a liberal. Think about the actual outcome. Imagine two restaurants, one has Hitler forever one does not. If given a choice which would you choose? I’m saying that letting in Hitler indicates the quality of people in that location. Wouldn’t spending eternity with people like him be hell?

UnPassive ,

Haha, I see. There’s some really good ex-Mormon jokes about how the highest tier of heaven (Celestial Kingdom) is boring and white and reverent and then the third tier (Telestial Kingdom) is a 24/7 rave. If given a choice on where I want to spend my afterlife, I’d probably consider the company I’d end up spending eternity with.

General connotation of Hell though is that it’s a miserable place

KevonLooney ,

General connotation of Hell though is that it’s a miserable place

24/7 steam baths and jacuzzis? BBQ? Why is that bad?

Cethin ,

This also implies the most moral Mormons would stop spreading “the truth.” They would sacrifice themselves to save the many. When has religion actually dealt with morality though?

UnPassive ,

Haha, I love this idea. Unfortunately with more context on the religion, it’s obvious why none of them would come to this conclusion. So there’s actually 3 tiers of Heaven (and then Hell which is called “outer darkness”). Only by knowing “the truth” and completing all your ordinances on Earth, can you get into the top tier (the “Celestial kingdom”). Without those things, you can only get into the second tier by being a good person, no higher. Everyone else gets tier 3 - which is said to be such a paradise that if we knew how great it was we’d opt out of life early to get there. But also in the lower levels we’re supposed to have eternal regret for not being worthy of better.

So Mormons believe that by spreading the truth they’re enabling a person to achieve a higher tier afterlife. Outer Darkness isn’t really a concern because “why would anyone ever deny the one true religion and one way to have true happiness on Earth, after they’ve received it.” When I was taught these lessons, I was even told that sons of perdition were exceptionally rare because almost no one ever leaves the church. Never expected to become one myself! The internet has not been good for the Mormon church and in recent years they’ve been bleeding members and trying to rebrand.

I guess you could say that I came to your conclusion, but in reality I just don’t believe the religion is true and see parts of it as harmful so not really… I’ll probably joke around with my siblings with your idea though

limelight79 ,

This is fascinating. I’m reminded of a Mormon guy I (barely) knew that was murdered. If he didn’t have the chance to complete his ordinances, well, I guess no kingdom for him - through no fault of his own. Does he get a pass or is he screwed into lousy second heaven for all eternity?

The story: He was murdered by another Mormon guy over a woman. Murderer thought the woman was his last chance to find love and decided he was serious about it. It’s likely he murdered another guy the woman was dating a year or two before, but that case was ruled a suicide and closed - by the time the known murder occurred, all evidence had been destroyed.

UnPassive ,

It’s a bit complicated, but the answer is it is sort of possible for anyone who is dead and didn’t have their ordinances done to get to the highest kingdom. Mormons famously baptize dead people, they also do other ordinances for dead people. The belief is that it allows the dead person to then accept or deny the ordinances. They believe that in the afterlife before resurrection there is still the opportunity to be taught the Mormon gospel. That combined with someone doing your ordinances for you and you’re good.

They believe dead people are doing missionary work to other dead people in the spirit world before resurrection (which I think happens after the second coming). I’ve heard that the second coming won’t happen until everyone (alive and dead) has had the opportunity to accept the Mormon truth.

Cethin ,

Man, that’s a horrible thought. We can’t escape Mormons knocking on our door even in death.

Dark_Dragon ,

so mormon is like those spam messages saying to forward it for next 10 members or get cursed.

Dark_Dragon ,

so mormon is like those spam messages saying to forward it for next 10 members or get cursed.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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Hell without Hitler doesn’t really sound so bad

franklin , in TIL about the TRAPPIST-1 Star System
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That’s one of the starting systems in Stellaris!

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