There have been multiple accounts created with the sole purpose of posting advertisement posts or replies containing unsolicited advertising.

Accounts which solely post advertisements, or persistently post them may be terminated.

If you live in the EU - you may also be faced with this Meta prompt. Info in text.

If you, like me, live in the EU, Facebook is now entirely clamping down and forcing free users to make their personal data available for monetization.

Attempting to access any Facebook domain and perhaps also other meta products will redirect you to the following prompt with a choice between either accepting the monetization of your user data, or coughing up a region-dependent monthly subscription fee: base (for me ~10€) + an additional fee (~7€) for each additional facebook or instagram account you have.

Now, the hidden third option. At an initial glance, it seems like there is no other option but to click one of the buttons - however, certain links still work, and grant access to important pieces of functionality through your web browser.

If anyone has information to add regarding Facebook or Instagram, please do share it. I’ve only (begrudgingly) used the former up until now, but I know many others use Instagram and don’t feel like giving a single cent (nor their personal info) to Meta.

  1. www.facebook.com/dyi - perhaps most important of all, now is a good time to make a request to download your Facebook data. Don’t forget to switch to data for “all time” and “high quality” if you intend to permanently delete your account.
  2. www.facebook.com/your_information - here you can find and manage your information, but crucially also access Facebook messenger.
  3. The messenger app: Still hasn’t prompted me with anything, though I expect that will change in the not too far future.

Currently my plan is to use messenger to inform any important friends that I intend to leave FB, and where they’ll be able to reach me in the future.

Honytawk ,

This forced me to look into hosting an own social media as a replacement for me, my friends and acquaintances. Where we can chat, upload files, organise events, and make posts about all sorts of things.

Anyone got a recommendation for software, preferably open source?

Humhub looked promising, but the “free” version only allows 5 people, which is just dumb.

lud ,

How did this specifically make it worse? They didn’t follow the GDPR before so choosing free is the exact same as before.

This is just their latest attempt at avoiding the GDPR and last I checked taking payment for not tracking someone is a grey zone in the GDPR. After looking at the law it shouldn’t be allowed but it might be. Who knows. Other sites do it as well.

If anything this has bought them time.

Honytawk ,

Because I was willing to pay, but not for the exuberant amount they ask.

It also made it worse in the sense that now friends were discussing it on their own, which did not happen before.

clot27 ,
@clot27@lemm.ee avatar

Mastodon?

Honytawk ,

Sadly no groupchat features.

Otherwise, solid choice!

clot27 ,
@clot27@lemm.ee avatar

github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/19059 they are adding one

ginerel ,
@ginerel@kbin.social avatar

Friendica should fit the bill right there for you. Or if you don't want ActivityPub, check out diaspora*. There's also Hubzilla which uses AP as well, but internally it uses its own Zot protocol.

Honytawk ,

I was looking into Friendica, and it also looks promising. But the lack of an ios app may be a dealbreaker for some of my friends.

Diaspora has the same issue, although the integration with other social media is interesting.

Huzilla is a bit more for filesharing, isn’t it?

All in all, I think Friendica is indeed one of the better bets.

syfershock ,
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    Honytawk ,

    Akkoma dropped support for chats, which sucks tennis balls.

    The others are too technical for many of the people I know. They just want something like Facebook, but that I host myself. Not the “every device is its own node” type of deal.

    And connection to the fediverse definitely isn’t a necessity.

    All by all Friendica looks the most promising.

    lemmesay ,
    @lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    you can use create a matrix server for e2e conversations.

    b3nsn0w ,
    @b3nsn0w@pricefield.org avatar

    this has to be illegal.

    like, no, seriously. i’m not a lawyer but i was working on a (since failed) startup in 2018 and distinctly remember how much headache the gdpr caused. literally one of the main things was that you cannot coerce users into consenting to data processing, or make features conditional to them. the gdpr makes a distinction between processing you do to perform a contract (that’s why no one asks for your consent for processing your email address to log you in, that’s implied) and processing you do for other reasons, which require user consent (that’s why everyone asks if they can spam you on the same email – it doesn’t matter that your email address is already on their server, processing it for marketing reasons requires consent of the data subject). opting into these kinds of processing needs to be granular, if it’s not they lose the validity of your consent.

    i seriously hope facebook gets slapped so hard over this that no one ever thinks about doing this again. “paying with your data” should never be a thing in any society that calls itself civilized.

    nothingness ,

    like, no, seriously.

    What does “like” mean here? What’s it for?

    b3nsn0w ,
    @b3nsn0w@pricefield.org avatar

    flair, mostly. lol

    joel ,

    It’s how people have been talking for, like, 20 years now at least

    nothingness ,

    Rather, fucked american english. Like, fucked american english. Like, fucked. Like, like! Like!

    JonEFive ,

    Assuming you’re not a native English speaker. It’s a filler word. It doesn’t really mean anything, it’s used more to communicate tone.

    nothingness ,

    Being native doesn’t make one being able to speak properly.

    buddascrayon ,

    I don’t think you understand how this works. I’m not the biggest fan of Facebook but even I know they’re not a charity they’re not a governmental entity. They’re out there to make a profit and if they can’t make a profit on their ad revenue then they have to make a profit in another way via a subscription service. So they’re literally giving you the option to either continue using them with ads or continue using them as a subscription service. Your other option is to completely delete your Facebook. I don’t see the problem here. You aren’t entitled to a Facebook page, no matter how useful it is to your personal life.

    Edit: a word

    b3nsn0w ,
    @b3nsn0w@pricefield.org avatar

    then offer the subscription service as the only option. if they want to do that, it’s on them. but you can tell by the dark pattern on this ui element that that’s not their main goal, they just want to use the threat of having to pay to coerce people into consenting to data processing.

    it’s not about entitlement, it’s about playing fair. removing the option to “pay with your data”, and leaving only the subscription or cancellation as options would be fair play. it would also destroy facebook but that’s on them, it’s their decision to make. but if they decide to provide a free service of any kind, they cannot discriminate against those who wish to choose privacy.

    and if we’re being realistic, they’re not expecting even 1% of their user base to pay. they are, however, expecting to keep nearly 100% of their user base. that’s what makes this about coercion – if they didn’t have the option to coerce people (and i’m fairly sure they don’t have it legally, but again, i am not a lawyer) the options presented would be very different, because facebook itself wouldn’t be able to afford to only give its service to paid users. you’d probably have a free tier with optional privacy included, which is missing some features, or a paid tier with extra features and privacy included (hopefully non-optionally, but it’s facebook so they’d probably still try to track you).

    buddascrayon ,

    Every argument you make here is completely silly.

    This is a for-profit company and it has always been a for-profit company. They have no obligation to host you on their site and they can stipulate any conditions they like. If they want to make it a choice between paying a subscription fee or you consciously acquiescing to their collecting your data and advertising to you using that data, then that is 100% their right. Equally you have the right to opt out by closing your Facebook page and deleting all of your data on their site. I will reiterate, you are not entitled to a Facebook page!! This is not right, it’s a privilege granted to you by this greedy-ass corporation in exchange for monetary compensation, either through targeted ad revenue or a subscription fee. Deal with it.

    b3nsn0w ,
    @b3nsn0w@pricefield.org avatar

    then don’t host the site if they don’t want to. or charge people for shit if they want to. i’m not asking for them to not do that, i’m asking for one thing and one thing only: don’t make service, free or not, conditional to consenting for data processing not related to providing that service. that shit, to my best knowledge, is illegal in the eu, and it’s for a damn good reason.

    facebook is not entitled to a profit either just because they’re for-profit. they need to earn it. and no, they don’t have a right to take a “whatever means necessary” approach on it – just like a company cannot legally rob people, or cannot legally entice minors into gambling addictions to make that money, in the eu it also cannot coerce people into giving up their personal data just so it can then profit off of that either. consent for that needs to be given willingly, without pressure, and without deception. why is this principle so hard to understand?

    you paint some ridiculous strawman arguments here in your efforts to lick the zuck’s boots, but i never once asked for facebook to continue giving their service for free if they don’t want to. the only thing i said is “paying with your data” is not a valid idea under the gdpr (and honestly, it shouldn’t be a thing in any civilized country.) if facebook relies on it, tough shit, their options are to figure out an alternate revenue stream or go out of business. that’s how it works for every other business as well.

    buddascrayon ,

    Where exactly is the coercion here? The choices in order to maintain a Facebook account you either pay a fee or let them use your data to advertise to you. The other option is to completely close your Facebook account and delete all of your data on their servers. An argument can be made that they should make it easier to remove all of your data and several people that I know have made that argument. But other than that I don’t see anything they are doing as being illegal, in the EU or otherwise. Sure the way they presented is a pretty scummy but what do you want? It’s Facebook and it’s run by greedy corporate dick heads. If you don’t like it delete your Facebook profile.

    I also find it hilarious that you don’t think they have lawyers who specialize in European Union law that don’t know exactly what the fuck they’re doing. This is a multi-billion dollar company, they can afford the best goddamn lawyers.

    b3nsn0w ,
    @b3nsn0w@pricefield.org avatar

    Where exactly is the coercion here? The choices in order to maintain a Facebook account you either pay a fee or let them use your data to advertise to you.

    right there. you’re a parody of yourself lmao.

    a facebook account cannot simultaneously hold enough value that it’s worth compromising your privacy for and not hold value so that the threat of taking it away is not coercion. the enemy cannot be both strong and weak at once. the only way to resolve this dichotomy is to posit your privacy itself holds no value and is therefore a fair price to pay for something that also holds no value, but that’s just absolutely ridiculous to begin with.

    you also had your answers to your questions about which part should be illegal, multiple times. to then ask the same questions again because you “don’t see it”, playing dumb like that, is just manipulative. why are you so dead set on corporate bootlicking?

    buddascrayon ,

    Read carefully:

    You 👏 do 👏 not 👏 require 👏 a 👏 Facebook 👏 page 👏 to 👏 live.

    It is the very definition of superfluous luxury service. Just delete your page and be done with it.

    b3nsn0w ,
    @b3nsn0w@pricefield.org avatar

    Read carefully:

    You 👏 cannot 👏 make 👏 personal 👏 data 👏 the 👏 price 👏 of 👏 a 👏 service.

    It’s literally that simple. This is not about whether the product is essential or not, it never was. It’s whether this business practice is legitimate or not. The GDPR clearly believes it’s not and it’s for a reason.

    If you do not need a facebook page to live, why provide it for free at all? Just make people either pay or delete their page. Do not bribe them with free shit to manipulate them into giving up their data. That’s all there is to it.

    buddascrayon ,

    Informed consent. It’s right there in the text of the law.

    gdpr.eu/article-5-how-to-process-personal-data/

    b3nsn0w ,
    @b3nsn0w@pricefield.org avatar

    And you have a right to object to that.

    gdpr.eu/article-21-right-to-object/
    gdpr.eu/Recital-42-Burden-of-proof-and-requiremen…

    Threatening to disable a user’s means of communication as retaliation for an objection is antithetical to Article 21 of the GDPR, and goes directly against Recital 42. Removing your facebook page is a detriment. If there is a detriment to not consenting, consent is considered invalid, therefore facebook has no legal basis to process the data of anyone who clicked “use for free” on the prompt in the original post.

    buddascrayon ,

    If your only means of communication is Facebook, then that is an absolute failure of your government and society and you have much bigger fish to fry than Facebook’s shitty ad policy.

    b3nsn0w ,
    @b3nsn0w@pricefield.org avatar

    you’re just hell-bent on missing the point, aren’t you?

    just stop. your idea that the loss of a facebook account is not a detriment will never stand up in court, nor should it.

    buddascrayon ,

    LoL, it’s never going to make it to court. 🤣

    You people are hilarious.

    b3nsn0w ,
    @b3nsn0w@pricefield.org avatar

    at this point i genuinely believe that you’re just trolling. some companies like sony and apple absolutely do have this level of bootlickers who constantly move goalposts and try to convince people how they are ackshually right to do their extremely anti-consumer moves. but facebook? give me a break lmao. but even for a troll it’s such a stupid hill to die on

    i believe we adequately explored why your idea that corporations have the right to coerce people into giving up their data is idiotic. so idk, keep trolling and insert your next goalpost below this line:

    buddascrayon ,

    I’m not trolling but you can think what the hell you want, I don’t really give a shit.

    I don’t see it as coercion because Facebook is not a necessary service. And I think everyone here who is tearing their hair out and screaming about how “illegal” this new policy is are being overly dramatic.

    It’s just as simple as that. Oh, and my personal hope is that the new policy will encourage people to delete their Facebook. I would love to see the site go up in flames like Twitter is currently doing. So you thinking I’m some kind of sycophantic fanboy of Zuckerberg and his “metaverse” is quite hilarious to me. 🤣

    Aceticon ,

    Your thinking is so pinned-down by business-centric presumptions it’s ridiculous.

    The Law doesn’t give a shit about any one company’s chosen business model, otherwise Murder would be legal as long as it was done by employees of an incorporated “Murdering Services” company.

    Further, Facebook is an American company which avoids tax like crazy, so in Europe even politicians don’t give a shit about their business model, which means these Laws were not even adjusted to account for Facebook’s business model when they were created.

    Facebook’s business model and even survival as a company are wholly irrelevant: the Law is the Law, and Facebook either obbey it or they stop operating in the Jurisdictions whose laws they don’t want to obbey - ultimatelly, all legal recourses exhausted, “comply” or “leave” are their only two options.

    JonEFive ,

    And I don’t think you understand the problem. Nothing is preventing Facebook from displaying ads. Facebook’s issue is collecting user data and using it to directly target ads. They can make it so that a user can opt out of personalized ads and still show ads to that person. Companies would still pay to display their ads, perhaps not at the same rate but that doesn’t mean Facebook would be losing money by serving those users.

    Let’s not act like Facebook is going to go bankrupt if some of their users opt out of data collection and targeted ads.

    buddascrayon ,

    Facebook’s issue is collecting user data and using it to directly target ads.

    Literally nearly every website on the internet does this. Even the ones you pay a fee to subscribe to.

    You have the choice to close your account with Facebook if you don’t like their policy. Again, this is a completely for profit company, they have no obligation to host you on their site.

    JonEFive ,

    Literally nearly every website on the internet does this. Even the ones you pay a fee to subscribe to.

    Are you even a little familiar with GDPR?

    Nobody is acting like they have a right to Facebook in this thread. Likewise, nobody is saying that Facebook shouldn’t be trying to make money. The issue at hand isn’t the choice between a fee and ads. The issue is that you have to pay to opt out of targeted advertising and that they’re using dark patterns to encourage people to consent to targeted advertising.

    So the suggestion above that this may be illegal is accurate. You’re so focused on a person’s ability to not do business that you’re ignoring that there are laws regulating this type of behavior.

    SkepticalButOpenMinded ,

    I would love for FB to be smacked down hard by the EU, but isn’t this just the inclusion of a new option that didn’t exist before, I.e. the subscription? If you push the right button, isn’t that the status quo that you’ve been using all along without any other option? I don’t understand how giving more options is more coercive than before.

    b3nsn0w ,
    @b3nsn0w@pricefield.org avatar

    no, ever since 2018 when the gdpr actually went into effect, they had to allow users to opt out of data processing individually for different purposes. like, if you want to allow facebook to process your data for improving their site but not for marketing purposes, you need to be able to set that, and facebook needs to respect that. as such, you had the option to use the site without “paying for it with your data” at all.

    and if that’s not a viable business model and they need to charge a subscription fee, that’s alright. there’s nothing in the gdpr that says you cannot charge for services. the problematic part here is that they do provide a free service but only if you consent to data processing. like i said, i’m not a lawyer, but i’m pretty sure that’s illegal, and it absolutely should be illegal. if they decide to provide a free tier (or a paid tier for that matter), it needs to be available even if you don’t consent for unrelated data processing. they’re not obligated to provide anything, but if they do provide something, they cannot discriminate against users who don’t want to share their data.

    that’s the problematic bit here. privacy cannot be a premium feature. facebook is trying to charge for something here that should be available to all users, whether or not the underlying product is freely available or not.

    Globeparasite ,

    Yeah I really hope the EU smack’em down. Asking users to pay a fee only because their countries law limit an illegal practice is astonishing

    AeonFelis ,

    I trust that Facebook’s lawyers are payed enough to make sure that this is technically legal. These laws always have loopholes.

    cosmicrookie ,
    @cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s a reaction to Facebook methods being deemed illegal in Europe. Although this does not mean than the new model is illegal, it’s an interesting sample of Facebook not always being right even though they have good layers. Both Facebook, Google and many other big tech, operate on the edge of what is legal and often on the other side of it, because it can be profitable enough to just pay the fine if it turns out to be illegal.

    This last move, I believe, is more of a statement than it is an actual change.

    AeonFelis ,

    Oh, yea. I can believe that these lawyers checked it out and determined that it may be illegal, but more like a “pay a fine that’s the equivalent of a bubblegum wrap when scaled down to regular people money” illegal and not “shut down the company and place the CEO behind bars” illegal.

    Now, if it was Xwitter, I could totally see Must ignoring all his lawyers and just YOLOing it.

    b3nsn0w ,
    @b3nsn0w@pricefield.org avatar

    i wish the eu could stop fucking around on this one. fines for gdpr violations can reach up to 20 million euros or 4% of global revenue, whichever is higher. if they actually prosecute over this, it will be far more than a slap on the wrist. (which is why everyone was so scared of the gdpr back in 2018, but apparently that didn’t really last)

    smotherlove ,

    Third choice: Delete your account and never look back.

    A_Random_Idiot ,

    Imagine how many artificially inflated egos would be deflated all at once if facebook/social media went away.

    probably be one the greatest things to happen to humanity.

    schnapsman ,

    Isn’t that incredible? Turns out that connecting people to one another in this way fosters some healthy interaction for those who choose it but also amplifies loads of unhealthy bs. I’m one of those idiots who 15 years ago thought the internet and social media would bring about something of a second enlightenment, a golden area of progressivism, being well-informed, connected to one another in new and beautiful ways.

    Mongostein ,

    25ish years ago we all thought the internet would be a wonderful marketplace of ideas where people wouldn’t be judged by their age, gender, race or whatever, but on the merit of their ideas.

    And it did feel that way for a while back when it took a bit of intelligence to get online. However, now that anyone can get online with just a few clicks the morons have learned how to amplify their moronity.

    PieMePlenty ,

    Its both a marketplace of ideas and the cesspool of moronity.

    A_Random_Idiot ,

    100% because of social media. see my reply to schnapsman

    A_Random_Idiot ,

    It would have been that. Or at least a lot more like that…

    If social media hadnt been invented, and if social media hadn’t gamified human interaction with upvotes/likes/etc, which ended up doing nothing but creating a dopamine feedback loop that is directly responsible for the extremity of online discourse today.

    Social media is also responsible for using its algorithms to link isolated village idiots and conspiracy nuts, and giving them secure echochambers with which to bounce off of eachother free of outside criticism or view, until they ended up completely disconnected from any hint of reality.

    rchive ,

    I mean, it sort of did, it’s just not quite that simple. A lot of amazing things have come about because of social media. So many artists able to reach people directly without needing gatekeepers like publishers. Movements able to be organized where previously those people would have never interacted.

    freebee ,

    Commenting this on a post about one of the new gatekeepers is quite ironic.

    rchive ,

    The route to getting something posted on Facebook or other social media involves 1 gatekeeper who barely involves itself. The route to getting a book or news article published involves more, and they micromanage the content much much more. Just compare what percentage of people have posted something on Facebook vs have had an article published by a newspaper or magazine.

    freebee ,

    You can post all you want, if you actually want to reach an audience you must comply with silly rules (try putting an innocent non sexualized nipple on an albumcover and posting it to facebook) and you have to pay for visibility because algorithm heavily favours money. On top it’s vendor locked-in, there are only very few networks with a very large userbase, and even fewer corporations behind them.

    rchive ,

    None of that affects people’s ability to disseminate information anywhere close to the constraints put on people by traditional publishing. Again, how many people have ever posted to social media vs how many people have ever published a book?

    freebee ,

    you’re disseminating into the void and this conversation we’re having is a fine example. The gatekeeper (in this case: facebook) determines who gets a very wide audience and who gets to scream into the void.

    diffusive ,

    The real question, in EU, is not Facebook (or even Instagram). It’s WhatsApp. Business talk with WhatsApp, family talk with WhatsApp, meet a person in a bar? Yep WhatsApp or you are the weirdo

    As soon I got the banners, I uninstalled the app and switched to friendly. Not sure if I have such luxury with WhatsApp…. Maybe time to explore matrix? 🤷

    Iceblade02 OP ,

    WA is also owned by Meta, and was only being used by my privacy-oriented friends. We swapped it for Signal pretty much instantly when the news came, but getting others to move over has been a slow fight.

    diffusive ,

    Yeah… the result is that now I have WhatsApp, signal, telegram. 99% of my contacts are on WhatsApp, maybe 20% are on telegram (and a number of group chat are there) and 1% take it or leave it has signal (and no group chat).

    In practice the only one I can get rid of is signal (that is also the one I would like better 🙄🙄)

    catarina ,
    @catarina@kbin.social avatar

    I would love to ditch WhatsApp, but then I wouldn't be in touch with my family half as much, and it would be a lot more difficult to get anything done.
    I am in Spain where people simply assume you have WA, and the majority of small business use it extensively.

    sergih ,

    What can facebook really gather from whatsapp? Asfaik messages are encrypted, and other than that I’m not really giving info to whatsapp, like my estado and date of birth but that’s pretty much it.

    Like I get it from facebook, you are constantly looking things up that can tell what u like, hobbies, or political affiliation, but whatsapp?

    lemmyvore ,

    They’re “encrypted” meaning they claim so and nobody was able to prove otherwise.

    Even assuming they really are encrypted end-to-end, the app can still spy on you directly on your phone. It has access to all your conversation history and everything you type. 😊

    Now, I’m not saying they’re sending that verbatim to Facebook but it’s enough to get the gist of a conversation. Like, that you were talking about hair products. That’s enough to be able to sell some ads to you and your conversation partner.

    sergih ,

    hmmm got it, might be intrtrsting to do an experiment where u look up your facebook feed, see what products u get ads for, yhrn talk with a friend over on whatsapp about a certain product or typr of product u want to buy, and then check if u start getting ads for said product

    ABCDE ,

    It has happened to me.

    sergih ,

    r u sure u only talked/mentioned it through whatsapp, and didn’t do any prior or post searches of related things in a browser?

    just saying cause it’ easy to miss

    ABCDE ,

    Positive.

    Bazoogle ,

    WhatsApp is truly end-to-end encrypted using the signal protocol. The same protocol Signal uses (believe it or not). Meta truly cannot read your messages. But they CAN see who you are messaging, how often you message them, when you are messaging them, where you are when you message them, and plenty more. They can collect metadata. Metadata is the data they actually care about. Honestly, it doesn’t matter as much if you’re asking your friend if they want to hang or sending nudes. The metadata is what they want, and it’s exactly what they’re collecting.

    Honytawk ,

    Just because it is end to end encryption, doesn’t mean one of those ends can’t send those messages to Facebook (also end-to-end encrypted).

    Bazoogle ,

    Assuming they didn’t pervert the signal protocol, then they really really cannot access your messages, even if they wanted to. The encryption key would only be stored on the local device. Though, it would honestly benefit them to actually do this. They then cannot provide user data to law enforcement no matter how many warrants there are, they cannot be susceptible to rogue employees stealing the information, and the list goes on. And like I said, they really don’t need to know what your messages say. They get all the information they want from the metadata.

    miss_brainfart , (edited )
    @miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

    Remind those businesses that if they don’t have explicit consent from the people saved in their contacts, they are violating article 44 of the GDPR.

    Same if their websites use Google Analytics without asking for consent first.

    thanks_shakey_snake ,

    Matrix is pretty good! I use Element. It’s pretty much as usable as anything else I’ve used for similar purposes: Discord, Slack, Messenger, etc.

    Hard part is obviously getting people to switch over. But it’s ready for normies!

    smileyhead ,

    The ElementX developemnt is looking really really good!

    diffusive ,

    I was more thinking about using the matrix <> WhatsApp bridge for avoiding the pop up. It’s impossible to migrate people (especially strangers)

    victorz ,

    Recently uninstalled:

    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • Twitter/X
    • Reddit

    I feel free. My phone feels lighter, almost. My brain feels lighter.

    BonesOfTheMoon ,

    Same! I am enjoying the fediverse as a largely nontoxic replacement.

    victorz ,

    Agreed. It’s not too mainstream (yet) so not too much drivel has started seeping through lol. Here’s hoping it’ll stay this way. Feels very wholesome so far! Feeling at home already.

    lemmesay ,
    @lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    don’t forget to delete the accounts too! I’ve seen people just deleting the app and thinking their account is gone too.

    victorz ,

    Very good tip! To be honest, I’m not ready to delete the accounts yet. I’ll just run the services on my computer in containers (Firefox) and with μBlock Origin, so there’s minimal impact of this change for me.

    But it does feel very nice not to be able to do much when I pull out my phone as a reflex. I feel limited in a positive way. Much rather be talking to you fine folk than the drivel I was often interacting with on Reddit. 😁

    mannycalavera ,
    @mannycalavera@feddit.uk avatar

    LOL why are people using Facebook?

    antonim , (edited )

    To communicate with people, to follow various pages and groups that notify me of the current events regarding the topics that interest me, to buy and sell stuff in some groups, etc. At least in my case.

    BigDaddySlim ,
    @BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world avatar

    I use it for one single purpose, browsing marketplace. I look for local used game stuff and that’s really it. If something peaks my interest I have my girlfriend message them since she uses messenger, I refuse to have it on my phone.

    Even then, I’m using Firefox with UBO so even if they do use my browsing data for ads, I ain’t seeing them anyway.

    Turns out you can in fact, cuck the Zuck

    scytale ,

    Don’t forget to use a facebook container on FF as well.

    ubermeisters ,
    @ubermeisters@lemmy.world avatar

    Piques* your interest

    Just a friendly FYI, could be voice text issue idk no shade

    BigDaddySlim ,
    @BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world avatar

    Actually no I’m just horribly illiterate 😂

    ubermeisters ,
    @ubermeisters@lemmy.world avatar

    Well, now you’re a touch closer to where it sounds like you’re trying to be!

    hayes_ ,

    It’s okay. I’ve misspelled “peek” as “peak” multiple times in the last week.

    English just be like that.

    Lamb ,

    You’re an icon. 🥰

    Ilgaz ,

    Firefox with the right extension can do wonders but for Facebook, it is like trying to save yourself from an atomic bomb with a shield made from led. They hire the best developers out there including OSS people to get your personal data one way or another. The day I learned advertisers abuse html5 canvas using miniscule differences between CPUs, I understood the money and development involved.

    militaryintelligence ,

    Memes

    helenslunch ,
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    Because my friends and family, unfortunately use Facebook. Moreso IG these days actually. And if I’m not on there I get left out of fun activities.

    Jezebelley ,

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    helenslunch ,
    @helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

    There aren’t if they don’t use those other ways. Shocking, I know.

    avater , (edited )
    @avater@lemmy.world avatar

    Easy fix. Stop using crap like meta, or Reddit, or TikTok, or Twitter or another degenerated social media platform…

    gtaman ,

    Great. Now tell that to my uni please.

    avater ,
    @avater@lemmy.world avatar

    your uni is using facebook?

    NostraDavid ,
    @NostraDavid@programming.dev avatar

    That includes lemmy, right?

    Right?

    avater ,
    @avater@lemmy.world avatar

    Nah, Lemmy can somtimes be a little cringe and insulting but has no narcisitic sociopaths in charge like the others have 😅

    AWittyUsername ,

    “Your info won’t be used for ads” - but it will be used in other ways

    Tau ,

    You can delete your account(s) clicking on “accounts in this Account Center” btw

    TimewornTraveler ,

    doesn’t that just hibernate your account?

    Tau ,

    It said “Delete” but Meta could very well be lying to me

    PepeLivesMatter ,
    @PepeLivesMatter@lemmy.today avatar

    They were already monetizing your data, just like websites were already using cookies to track you before the EU made it mandatory to inform visitors about this.

    sndrtj ,

    What’s absolutely scummy is that “laws are changing in your region” is not what happened. The law hasn’t significantly changed. What has changes is that the regulator is finally enforcing the law.

    Benaaasaaas ,

    Also said law doesn’t allow blocking access if you don’t agree to the tracking rules, so let’s see where this goes.

    archon , (edited )

    Law opens for supplier to charge money, if necessary to support the service, which is what Meta is doing.

    However, fuck Meta.

    chiliedogg ,

    Honestly I don’t disagree with that bit.

    A website shouldn’t be forced to operate at a loss, which is what Facebook would be doing if they couldn’t strip mine data OR charge access to use the service.

    rchive ,

    Shh, people don’t wanna hear that. Lol

    Aceticon ,

    The Law doesn’t care if any one company’s business model is viable and, Facebook being an American company which avoids taxes like crazy, EU politicians don’t care enough about them specifically to change said Law.

    So ultimatelly and once they exhausted all legal recourse, Facebook have only two options: “comply” or “leave” (i.e. stop operating in the EU).

    Somehow I suspect that selling non-personalized adverts will still make the EU market appealing enough for Facebook to operate in an that would allow them to comply with the local laws.

    To me this looks like a play by Facebook to keep their higher revenue model going as long as possibly by breaking the rules and then relying on the slowness of regulators to keep going and any two-strikes policies to avoid big fines.

    holdthecheese ,

    That’s not a loophole, it’s a key provision of the law.

    archon ,

    True, edited.

    zAkk ,

    “It’s free and always will be”

    Nobsi ,
    @Nobsi@feddit.de avatar

    It is free. You are not paying. You couldnt even get money for your information so its not like youre selling it

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    Nobsi ,
    @Nobsi@feddit.de avatar

    Where can i sell my data? I want money.

    isVeryLoud ,

    Go fill some surveys for Google Play Store credits or something.

    There are services out there that will pay you (either real cash or with points) to fill out surveys all day. They’ll pay you less than they’d pay someone like Facebook though, since people are more truthful on these platforms than when filling out these surveys.

    Nobsi ,
    @Nobsi@feddit.de avatar

    They dont want my data, they want to ask me dumb questions. And they dont pay

    ILikeBoobies ,

    surveys.gobranded.com

    There are tons of sites for this, it was a lot more popular a decade ago before sites realize they could just steal it

    Int_not_found ,

    You couldnt even get money for your information

    Well, you could. Taking part in surveys in exchange of monetary compensation is a side hustle for many.

    And on the other side is sourcing data a huge expense for many research endeavours.

    That’s why everybody is buying from Google & Facebook. Because they offer it for relative low cost.

    Aceticon ,

    Only if you think your time and personal information are free.

    You might want to work on your self-worth and business sense if you think that.

    0x0 ,

    I’m surprised the EU hasn’t pounced on them for GRPR infringement, maybe there’s a loophole Meta’s exploiting. Being total assholes ain’t a crime.

    ours ,

    This is their reaction to new privacy laws in the EU. I’m not sure I’ll fly.

    gian , (edited )

    Maybe, but there are whispers that EU is not happy with this since it seems to violate the GDPR.

    Honytawk ,

    The button colours alone are in violation.

    brsrklf ,

    I don’t know about the rest of EU, but in France for some reason it was decided that this type of choice, i.e. “pay a subscription or accept all trackers”, was in the spirit of GDPR.

    I think it’s bullshit, but hey, it helped me choose whose services I will never use any more (really, most of those were already shit before they tried to pull that one, no big surprise here).

    ominouslemon ,

    In Italy lots of online newspapers do the same: either you subscribe, or you accept the tracking

    lostmypasswordanew ,

    The text is also incredible misleading. The data will still be harvested and monetized, just not for ads.

    hightrix ,

    Even that claim I find dubious. Yes, your data won’t inform targeted ads on Facebook, but that doesn’t mean it won’t be used for targeted ads elsewhere on the internet.

    Honytawk ,

    And it most certainly will still be used to make general prediction for the rest of the population

    logicbomb ,

    You need to make a choice to continue using Facebook

    This reminds me of the movie War Games, when WOPR says, “The only winning strategy is not to play.” The only correct choice to make here is to delete your Facebook account.

    Iceblade02 OP ,

    Indeed, I’d like to, and hopefully will be able to. Unfortunately it is basically the universal method of communication at my campus - unless you use instagram… or snapchat… :(

    Hopefully it’ll be possible to get others to make the move, but I’m not really that important in social contexts, nor are most privacy-focused folks.

    rtxn ,

    The evil of the lizard is too great to resist. The only way to win is to deny it battle.

    TheFriar ,

    How anyone still has a FB account I’ll never understand—or, I should say, anyone who doesn’t subscribe to the insane, “well I have nothing to hide!”/“anyone reading my information will be SO BOOORED LOLOLOL!” mindset and that actually gives 1/10000th of a shit about privacy.

    ItsMeSpez ,

    For me it is still holding on, barely, as a messaging app. I have a few friends and groups that just refuse to message on other things and that’s keeping me around. I’m tired of evangelizing better options.

    Sir_Kevin ,

    I have friends like that. They never get a response from me.

    lemmyvore ,

    It pops up every once in a while for things like old classmates getting together. If I weren’t on it I wouldn’t know about it.

    It’s also useful for local events like neighborhood festivals that don’t get posted on any other media.

    Ilovethebomb ,

    Most of my sports and social activities are organized through various Facebook groups, and I’d lead a rather boring life without it.

    That’s why.

    BellaDonna ,

    I literally had a job that distributed our schedule via a Facebook group exclusively and required an account for requesting changes or interaction about the schedule.

    Honytawk ,

    You can easily counter that sentiment by asking them if they also leave their door open when they use a public toilet. Since they got “nothing to hide”.

    TheFriar ,

    “Anyone that wants to watch me pee is god be SOO BORRED LOLOL!”

    Honytawk ,

    police gets called

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    Or stop caring about data being used for ads. Most people don’t 🤷‍♂️

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