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qwertyWarlord ,

Lol, anyone who uses Twitter doesn’t do it for morality. The mouth breathers are addicted to the drama and that’s all there is to it

DeathWearsANecktie ,

I don’t need a moral reason, I just think it’s shit as it was before it rebranded

onlinepersona ,

https://programming.dev/pictrs/image/6781ed53-7ae3-4803-8780-984a26a156ab.png

https://programming.dev/pictrs/image/c44a75cc-7acd-4feb-9d11-90bfe73df5a4.png

Do as you say please

zeppo ,
@zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

What does that mean? The article says Twitter is “In this article” because it’s about Twitter, and he notes that writing about Twitter is part of his job, but he deleted the app from his phone because he’s revolted by the direction it’s gone, and the article is basically a screed about how much he hates it now.

moitoi ,

I know a lot of people relying on it for sharing research papers and finding them. It’s depressing to not have an alternative.

fosforus ,

Sewers are useful even if they are full of shit.

Sir_Simon_Spamalot ,

Maybe it’s time to slowly transition to Fediverse?

moitoi ,

It would be nice. The major issue is the network that people created there. It takes years to build it, and you won’t have it back on the Fediverse.

Chunk ,

Can we take a step back for a second and think about the human condition that led someone to need a moral argument to get off X? What kind of pathetic, fucked up mind do you have where you can’t just uninstall the app you have to appeal to morality.

Tartas1995 ,

Well there is a difference between disliking something and believing it is actively harmful. If you believe it is actively harmful for humans and society, it makes sense that you want to appeal to the society as a whole. Then you need to reason for why you feel the way you do. And there we go.

orrk ,

Facebook causes genocides in every 3ed world nation they push into.

social media is, as it is now, designed to push the worst. most racist, most murderous rhetoric because it garners more engagement.

Tartas1995 ,

I am not saying you are wrong, nor right, but I am wondering why you tell me/us that now, here.

orrk ,

because what makes Elon harmful for humanity is basically the same thing that makes Facebook harmful, massive uncontrolled influence on society

Tartas1995 ,

Well it depends on what you see as an acceptable cost of the benefits of social Media. You could easily find differences between platform, in their function and in their moderation. These differences might be valid reasons to give it a different evaluation.

But in case, you want to argue about whether or not Twitter is moral; and/or whether or not Facebook is as bad as Twitter, I am not interested in the discussion and my points weren’t made in support of the position that Twitter is harmful but only in “defense” of people voicing their moral evaluation of social Media.

ytonoswaldsa ,
@ytonoswaldsa@lemmy.world avatar

Exactly. Also why is this journalist blaming Elon for random crimes that have nothing to do with him? Its not fair to blame him for something he had nothing to do with.

Numberone ,

This whole twitter thing is like some lib version of a moral panic. Who cares, just get off it if you don’t like the experience. But no, they all need to tell everyone how this makes them so morally pure.

oatscoop , (edited )

Moral panics are over things that don’t have negative real world consequences.

We’ve repeatedly seen what happens when disinformation and violent, extremist speech is given a place to flourish on social media. The crazies get even more radicalized, organized, and emboldened. They start taking actual action.

Qanon, the proud boys, unite the right, patriot front, January 6th – where do you think those ideas gestated and grew to critical mass?

supert ,

4chan?

CorruptBuddha ,

My assumption would be the purpose is to shame people.

SolNine ,

This 100%! I barely used Twitter to begin with, but as soon as he went off the deep end, I completely deleted my account.

zeppo ,
@zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t think someone publishes an article to try to convince themselves to not use it. Of course it’s to convince other people why to not use it.

phoenixz ,

That moral case was already there like a decade ago.

When he called the Philippine men, risking their lives to save children stuck and about to die in an underground cave, pedophiles because they refused to consider musk’s retarded dive capsule idea… That was the moment that the moral case was there and it never left.

Musk is a scammer, he is a dumbass, he is incompetent, got fired for being incompetent, he just got really lucky winning the company shares jackpot when that company got bought out. That’s all. He has a quality to make dumbass people listen to him and look up to him and make them somehow believe that he’s smart but every word out of his mouth is either a lie or just really really painfully dumb.

Adalast ,

I had the idea of seeing if I could get an AI to draw a 10-point buck mounting him as a play on his name. No idea if that would be too far or not, but I would personally find it funny.

Sarcastik ,

I worked for Musk for longer than I care to admit, well before the world caught on to what an evil snake oil salesman he is and I endorse this post.

Let me just say after my time that the pedophile thing is probably nowhere near the worst thing that man has said or done to others he deems unworthy.

MeanEYE ,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

It’s what we call failing up.

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime ,

TIL we need convincing about that on Lemmy

Kiosade ,

Lemmy just seems like a big echo chamber of tech, Linux, and Political news. Maybe some memes sprinkled in, but little else.

n3m37h ,

I’ve never seen furry porn before joining Lemmy, half the stuff I have blocked is furry hentai

Kiosade ,

Oh yeah forgot there’s a lot of that too. I blocked all that months ago lol

Omega_Haxors ,

That’s just an issue with your instance. Most instances defederate from outright porn sites unless they’re explicitly for made for NSFW.

tacosplease ,

The Star Trek memes are good. So ha!

topinambour_rex ,
@topinambour_rex@lemmy.world avatar

But this Stor stuffs is weird and I’m too afrais to ask what is it.

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime ,

You say that like it’s a bad thing. If you’d like more fascism or mindless idiocy no one’s keeping you here

Treczoks ,

This is nothing new. This was one of the reasons I never even joined Twatter.

Zithero ,

Deleted my X recently - not looking back.

radix ,
@radix@lemm.ee avatar

This sounds like a euphemism for bottom surgery.

paddirn ,

Can we all just boycott anything having to do with Musk/Twitter? I just want a browser extension that will automatically prevent me from going to a site that has any sort of links or anything related to twitter. Your blog also links to your Twitter account? Fuck you, I’m not reading it. Your news story references a tweet from somebody? Fuck you I’m not reading it. Your Lemmy post talks about Musk or Twitter? Fuck you, I’m not reading it. I just want all mention of Musk or Twitter or X completely erased from the internet. It may unfortunately impact any reference to anything else ‘X’ related, but that’s a small price to pay for a Musk-free life.

seitanic ,
@seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

So, basically you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend things aren’t happening.

paddirn ,

No, I’d rather read about the important things that are happening. Twitter is not important and the only thing that will finally get all these other companies to finally drop twitter is if it starts hurting their bottom line and reduces clicks and reads. If there’s a coordinated campaign to block Twitter, it could finally just remove it from the internet.

cricket97 ,

you’re not saving the world complaining online about twitter bro.

Djtecha ,

But… Maybe… 🤔

n3m37h ,

Even better idea, everyone order a starlink then do a return. Will temp cost you $300 but free return shipping at spacex expense

SCB ,

SpaceX is an amazing company. I don’t want to punish SpaceX.

It’s less than a quarter the cost to get to space now, because of SpaceX

JoBo , (edited )

There are lots of browser extensions that can block any site you want to block. I use Block Site on Firefox but there’s plenty to choose from, just have a search.

assassin_aragorn ,

Devil’s advocate, it should be amplified as much as possible, because it reminds the public that billionaires are not inherently intelligent nor worthy of their money.

Wisely ,

Is there any app for Lemmy that can filter by keyword? I don’t want to read about Elon and Trump multiple times a day. With some Kanye, Zuckerberg and Tate sprinkled in.

I already know they suck and 99% of the time they are mentioned it isn’t even relevant or is about social media platforms I don’t use.

morrowind ,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

Problem is you’d also block all the older articles from when twitter was only a mudpit and not a hellhole

paddirn ,

Oh no, all those articles from the Trump presidency where Trump posted something asinine and everybody freaked out about it, whatever shall I do?

steeznson ,

The fediverse provides an alternative for people who care about using ethical products. Haven’t tried threads/bluesky but they seem like more of the same. Unfortunately I don’t think people care about the ethics of their micro-blogging platform; their biggest priority is having the largest soap box to shout from.

Socsa ,

I’m not sure I’d call lemmy ethical considering how much genocide denial there is.

Ashe ,

Do I have bad news about twitter… At least no one profits from it here

SkyNTP ,

I think you missed the part where the person you are replying to is talking about the ethics of the platform itself, not the ethical viewpoint of the users using the platform nor the personal views of the developers.

seitanic ,
@seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Platforms don’t have ethics. They’re software, not people.

Hadriscus ,

Platforms have the ethics of the people administrating them

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
@apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

And designing them. Anything coded has the biases of the people who made them baked in.

Tartas1995 ,

Software is shipped with a license. There are licenses that are more or less ethical.

rjs001 ,
@rjs001@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Are we alien denialists too when we want proof of extraordinary claims?

zeppo ,
@zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

Lemmy isn’t one entity. It’s several different websites. That would be like calling Linux unethical because some people use it for weapons research… it’s open source, so people can do whatever they want with it. Douglas Crockford famously added "“The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil” to the license for JSON, but it was determined by various people to be unenforceable and not compatible with free software licensing.

Dkarma ,

If torturing primates isn’t enough for u what is,???

Venomnik0 ,

paying for twitter

Dkarma ,

That says so much about u that animal torture is ok but don’t they dare demand $8 from u.

Venomnik0 ,

Oh no im not saying that about myself. left a long time ago when he started rate limiting and funding right leaning mfs. I’m just trying to imagine wby people stay on a service like that. I kinda hope elon starts charging for twitter so when i see who actually pays for it, its gonna be much easier to cut them off.

alienanimals ,

Downvote Musk spam.

The billionaire doesn’t need your help ensuring him and his businesses stay in the headlines every day. Don’t be a useful idiot.

yamanii ,
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

I just wish the artists would leave, but no other social media allows porn too.

ram ,
@ram@bookwormstory.social avatar

Many artists have been hedging their bets the last few months, mirroring their content on Mastodon and BlueSky, so that when Twitter/X/Whatever it’s called now goes under/is closed/goes subscription only/is locked behind the blockchain, they don’t lose their fans, supporters, donators, and commissioners.

Muyal ,
@Muyal@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, but that’s the thing, most of them have not abandoned Twitter, they have just created accounts elsewhere. For now, at least on the case of nsfw artists, leaving Twitter is unfeasible.

ram ,
@ram@bookwormstory.social avatar

They tend to mirror the content on other sites, so they can further grow their communities there too. Can you explain to me how Twitter remains integral when the content is available elsewhere too?

TwilightVulpine ,

It’s integral to them because the bulk of their audience, including crowdfunders and commissioners and other potential paying customers, remains there. It can be a difference between having a viable artistic career or needing another job. Xitter is in clear decline and worse by the day, but it still outnumbers the alternatives by hundreds of millions of active users.

ram ,
@ram@bookwormstory.social avatar

Then the solution is for people who like art to accept invites and follow them on BlueSky.

Or to use Mastodon.

it still outnumbers the alternatives by hundreds of millions of active users.

Hundreds of millions of those active users don’t care about art unless Elon’s stealing it.

TwilightVulpine ,

It’s definitely better for them to move out but that’s a whole process, if they want to try to bring even a fraction of their audience along.

Hundreds of millions of those active users don’t care about art unless Elon’s stealing it.

Eh, by that measure there’s nowhere to go, because even here I see some people with a wild disregard towards art.

But really, there are people who care or those artists wouldn’t ever have had a career to begin with.

yamanii ,
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah but Bluesky is invite only still.

ram ,
@ram@bookwormstory.social avatar

Do you need an invite?

Encode1307 ,

You got one to give out? I’ll take one if so

ram ,
@ram@bookwormstory.social avatar

Sent

Zummy ,

If you have an extra invite code, I’d appreciate one too if it’s not too much trouble. Thanks!

ram ,
@ram@bookwormstory.social avatar

Sent

vidarh ,
@vidarh@lemmy.stad.social avatar

Still many who don’t, though, and they’re the main reason I still occasionally go back.

ram ,
@ram@bookwormstory.social avatar

Like who?

Pxtl ,
@Pxtl@lemmy.ca avatar

Mastodon totally allows NSFW content. Maybe Threads doesn’t, but why trade one deranged billionaire tech overlord for another?

Mastodon has some problems. It’s slow, the “instances” concept is confusing, discoverability is poor, and the UI isn’t as nice as Threads.

Still worth making the jump for the sake of community governance.

Twitter was destroyed by the governance problem. It proves how we can’t ignore the governance structure of the places we invest our time anymore.

But yeah, I’m very disappointed how many people who hate Musk’s changes to twitter – even trans people – are staying there.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Mastodon totally allows NSFW content.

Just search on the hashtag, can’t miss it.

Deftdrummer ,

Haha imagine caring this much about a social media site.

Imagine also still using Facebook. Losers.

HollandJim ,

Haha Imagine caring enough to call people on a different social media site losers while being on a social media site.

Deftdrummer ,

Haha had this argument before. This isn’t social media. I don’t know you or care about you.

scidoodle ,
@scidoodle@lemmy.world avatar

imagine thinking that’s what social media is…

Deftdrummer ,

It changes nothing. It’s not social media. Convince me harder.

Bremmy ,

You’re just flat out wrong here

Social media are interactive technologies that facilitate the creation and sharing of content, ideas, interests, and other forms of expression through virtual communities and networks

Deftdrummer ,

Says you. Social media is a way to influence clout or gain recognition no large and small in scope.

By your logic digital advertisements are also social media. Wrong.

Bremmy ,

I’m using the actual definition, genius. Now who’s wrong?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media

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