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ricecake ,

As written the headline is pretty bad, but it seems their argument is that they should be able to train from publicly available copywritten information, like blog posts and social media, and not from private copywritten information like movies or books.

You can certainly argue that “downloading public copywritten information for the purposes of model training” should be treated differently from “downloading public copywritten information for the intended use of the copyright holder”, but it feels disingenuous to put this comment itself, to which someone has a copyright, into the same category as something not shared publicly like a paid article or a book.

Personally, I think it’s a lot like search engines. If you make something public someone can analyze it, link to it, or derivative actions, but they can’t copy it and share the copy with others.

Willy ,

don’t stop the CJ!

Rentlar ,

I can’t have a chill movie night at home with friends without being able to pirate movies for free.

MoogleMaestro ,

If he wins this, I guess everyone should just make their Jellyfin servers public.

Because if rich tech bros get to opt out of our copyright system, I don’t see why the hell normal people have to abide by it.

TheImpressiveX ,
@TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml avatar

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/9200ed3d-c6c1-4159-9647-6047461e51fd.png

RangerJosie ,

Then go out of business.

Literally, “fuck you go die” situation.

circuitfarmer ,
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

This is the main issue with AI. It is the issue with AI that should have been handled and ultimately regulated before any AI tool got to its current state. This is also a reason why we really cannot remove the A from STEAM.

masterspace ,

No, this is a broader issue with copyright being a fundamentally stupid system, because it’s based on creating artificial scarcity where there is no need for it.

Pirates, Search Engines, the fragmentation of streaming services, and now AI, are all just technologies that expose how dumb a system it is.

circuitfarmer ,
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I dont disagree with that about copyright law. But to think that AI is going to break you out of it is a pipe dream.

Copyright revision will not happen from people stealing content. It requires deep discussion and governments that actually listen. AI stealing content will ultimately enhance copyright rules down the road.

masterspace ,

AI scraping content, the same way that search engines do, will have no impact on the copyright system.

circuitfarmer , (edited )
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Totally agree. I did not make the claim that copyright law will be affected.

Bishma ,
@Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

We can’t make money paying for “AI”, going to theaters, or paying for streaming services.

So I guess everybody gets a piracy!

https://i.postimg.cc/fycVF0tQ/747b388abf806eace4febf55841285da.jpg

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@quokk.au avatar

Oh how quick people are to jump on the side of copyright and IP.

QuadratureSurfer ,
@QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, a decision to modify copyright so that it affects training data as well would devastate open source models and set us back a bit.

There are many that want to push LLMs back, especially journalists, so seeing articles like this are to be expected.

edit: a word.

CaptainEffort ,

Exactly this. If you want ai to exclusively be controlled by massive companies like Meta and Google, this is how you do it. They’ll be the only ones that can afford to pay for public copywritten content.

tabular ,
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

Copyright is the legal method to limit redistribution of easily copied material, not as if there’s anything else people could appeal to.

I ain’t a fan of copyright but make it last 10 years instead of X + infinity and maybe it’s not so bad. I can’t argue against copyright fully as I think copyleft is essential for software.

OsrsNeedsF2P ,

But those aren’t the options on the table right now. The options are “nullify copyright” or “keep infinite copyright”

tabular ,
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

I activate false dichotomy and flip the table.

afiresword ,

For years Microsoft and Google were happy to acquiesce to copyright claims from the music and movie industry. Now all of a sudden when it benefits them to break those same laws, they immediately did. Now those industries who served small creators copyright claims and up against someone with a bigger legal budget.

It’s more evident then ever how broken our copyright system is. I’m hoping this blows up in both parties faces and we finally get some reform but I’m not holding my breath.

This is an assumption but I bet all the data feed into Content ID on YouTube was used to train Bard/Gemini…

HipsterTenZero ,
@HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone avatar

It’s impossible for me to make money without robbing a bank, please let me do that parliament it would be so funny

ulkesh ,
@ulkesh@lemmy.world avatar

Aww poor shit company and their poor money problems.

gedaliyah ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/06c19c79-44d8-43aa-9488-4f5782d5ee28.jpeg

mozz , (edited )
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

Honestly this meme is way understating the sinisterness

  • Election interference for money machine
  • Whole internet is ads company
  • Dopamine addiction for all children
  • Superpowers for law enforcement
RageAgainstTheRich ,

And my money redistribution company can not get money to redistribute without robbing banks. Please put up your hands. 🔫🥷

TotalCasual ,

No, they can make money without stealing. They just choose to steal and lie about it either way. It’s the worst kind of justification.

The investors are predominantly made up of the Rationalist Society. It doesn’t matter whether or not AI “makes money”. It matters that the development is steered as quickly as possible towards an end product of producing as much propaganda as possible.

The bottom line barely even matters in the bigger picture. If you’re paying someone to make propaganda, and the best way to do that is to steal from the masses, then they’ll do it regardless of whether or not the business model is “profitable” or not.

The lines drawn for AI are drawn by people who want to use it for misinformation and control. The justifications make it seem like the lines were drawn around a monetary system. No, that’s wrong.

Who cares about profitability when people are paying you under the table to run a mass crime ring.

masterspace ,

Copying information is not stealing.

TotalCasual ,

Depends on the context. Are you copying someone else’s identity in order to make a passable clone? Are you trying to sell that clone?

A duplication of someone’s voice, commercialized by an unauthorized source, is definitely a form of stealing.

Copying information illegally, such as private information held on a private device, is overwhelmingly illegal.

In general, copying information is only as legal as the purpose behind it.

recursive_recursion ,
@recursive_recursion@programming.dev avatar

well fuck you Sam Altman

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