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patrick ,

I actually want this feature, but I want to own the data. There are some OSS projects writing basically identical things but they aren’t too popular (github.com/jasonjmcghee/rem seems to be the most popular I could find, but I wasn’t able to get the cross-platform version running on my machine).

I also wrote the dumbest possible clone of this feature in bash, the basic data gathering steps are actually pretty easy to do. I’d build this into a real program but I’ve just been too busy lately with other projects: jackson.dev/…/cloning-windows-recall-in-30-lines-…

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

Not use Windows 11 you say? Install Linux you say?!

n3m37h ,

We can’t uninstall our own keylogger, sorry!

Slyme ,

“…can’t be uninstalled…”

Well sure it can, you just have to switch to Linux!

Andromxda ,
@Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Hmm, I wonder if there could be an exploit where Recall is covertly turned on, so it can be used to exfiltrate data. Not a good idea to basically have a surveillance rootkit sitting passively on your system, with no ability to remove it, just waiting to get abused by attackers. But using this proprietary garbage OS nowadays isn’t a good idea in general and there is a much better alternative.

scutiger ,

Windows does have its own command-line package manager. I don’t know if it can remove Recall, but last I checked it could remove Cortana. It would just get reinstalled soon after, but that could be prevented with some file-naming trickery. If you give a file the same name as the folder used to have and make it read-only, it couldn’t remake the folder and wouldn’t reinstall.

I wouldn’t be surprised if you can still do that now.

Andromxda ,
@Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Which one do you mean? Winget which is their newest attempt at creating a package manager that isn’t an absolute piece of garbage, or their crappy CLI for managing MSIX/APPX modules? Because I remember using the latter to try and remove Cortana back when I first tried Windows 10. Fast forward, I removed all the garbage I didn’t need, applied a Windows update, restarted my PC and it was all reinstalled. I wiped that SSD the same day and went back to Linux. This was the last time I used Windows on any of my personal devices.

scutiger ,

I was talking about Appx. I haven’t used Windows in a while, but that was how I got rid of Cortana. The key part was the read-only file named after the folder that couldn’t be replaced.

x00za ,

Malware developers don’t even need to have their malware running anymore to grab keylogs and screenshots.

Just enable Recall, schedule your malware for a month from now and it doesn’t even have to run anymore.

dubyakay ,

I did it! I did it over the long weekend. Been using Windows since 3.1 (albeit only switched fully from MSDOS when Windows 2000 came out).

I did a test run on my laptop during time away from home/desktop over the summer, using Linux Mint, to see if I can do work and school on an unfamiliar system exclusively. On Mint I never had to open the terminal and everything worked right out of the box. Cinnamon is very similar to Win10 too. Heck, I can’t even remember the installation procedure, it was so hands off and easy.

After two failed attempts of Arch on the same laptop, I’ve managed to install it with help of archinstaller on my main desktop. No idea what I’m doing, but I got it up and running to a state where I can do both work and school.

FUCK Windows and the constant nag it does everywhere. Good riddance.

JigglySackles ,

Lol I misread this as you’d been relying on windows 3.1 and never upgraded but that 11 including recall made you switch to Linux. I need to be more thorough in my reading .

1984 OP ,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

Good work getting through arch installer, it can be tricky too. I’ve been on arch for like 10 years and still don’t think anything else is better.

fossilesque ,
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

Well done. Mint is the gateway drug, perfect for users like you. Progress and attempts with arch are noble though! Glad it didn’t scare you off.

dogslayeggs ,

I hope enough companies realize the inherent danger to their IP this feature brings. Or that the government realizes the inherent danger to CUI data and forces there to be an admin level lock of the feature so normal users can’t just turn it on.

I and many others can’t just switch to Linux because we are required to use company laptops/desktops that are admin locked.

thermal_shock ,

shouldn’t be doing personal stuff on work computer. let the company deal with recall if they don’t want their shit leaked.

Olgratin_Magmatoe ,

They didn’t mention personal stuff

thermal_shock ,

then he/she can let the organization decide about recall, it’s not up to him at this point unless he’s the owner. maybe the organization wants recall to further spy on employees and that’s a different reason to not work for them at that point.

lennivelkant ,

That… that’s what they were saying, no? Companies should worry about their shit.

werefreeatlast ,

Specially since there’s no Microsoft app that has ever securely functioned past a few days. This thing is gonna be hacked as soon as it comes out an we won’t know until until there’s an investigation into the accidental death of thirty innocent people as passengers in some vehicle somewhere controlled by windows 11 or something… Boeing re-entry vehicle maybe? Nah! You guys are good! Just jump in and come back home already!

BmeBenji ,

I wonder if the advent of Windows 11’s “best” features will become known as “The Great Defenestration”

BmeBenji ,

False. The hard drive where Windows lives will soon find itself exiting my window

theherk ,

Ah the ol’ defenestration uninstallation.

kwomp2 ,

Dewindowed

demizerone , (edited )

They see a pile of cash and can’t resist. The only way it’ll truly stop is if users boycott everytime they try to bring it back, which will be neverending.

Clanket ,

As a small business, I need MS office & 2 other pieces of software that have no Linux versions. Rightly pissed off that I’ll have to upgrade my main machines to Win 11 by Oct 25.

eodur ,

I’m guessing those pieces of software won’t run in wine? Its pretty good these days.

Clanket ,

I’ve never tried. Does it handle random applications or would they need to be on a list?

eodur ,

it will attempt anything. just search around for anyone else whose tried the app. odds are pretty good.

kalpol , (edited )

Wine is pretty good for most things I’ve tried, except new Office (will run the old versions OK). Try O365, if Libre Office won’t cut it. You can try the installer in Wine without hurting anything. For your other stuff,I keep a Windows 8 vm around off network to run some ancient radio programming software, so maybe that is an option.

gwen ,

what are they? you could search for/ask around in linux forums if wine works well :]

Zeoic ,

MS office PWA is nearly indentical to the desktop apps these days. I switched to linux where I use outlook and excel via pwa for work, and it’s been fine. My M$ centered workplace is actually setting up an option to use linux on their laptops soon, too. I can’t wait for that.

phx ,

Does M365 not run on Linux?

codenul ,

Have you looked into OnlyOffice. Nice office suite that saves in MS file extensions. Use it all the tjme

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

If you cant uninstall the software, it isnt your computer. If you tell it to do something and it says no, it is not your computer.

I dont understand why people tolerate anything else. Its maddening.

NutWrench ,
@NutWrench@lemmy.world avatar

Microsoft also wants to use 50 gigabytes of your hard drive space (for the Recall snapshots) and make you buy AI co-processors or their software won’t work. They want to use your property to create their own Skynet.

JigglySackles ,

Soeaking of coprocessors…if it’s not in the cpu die, I wonder if we can just desolder the stupid AI chip.

nova_ad_vitum ,

Because they make it easy and do a few cool things.

“Do you want a mic in your home that can record everything you say and do and send that data off to wherever the company chooses?”

“No of course not.”

“What about of it will also turn your lights on and off and play despacito on demand?”

“You son of a bitch, sign me up”.

FJW ,
@FJW@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

On Arch you can easily uninstall Linux.

The fun part is that there are even legit reasons to do so, the by far most likely one being that you want to use a different package that provides you with a kernel, such as linux-lts or linux-hardened. Definitely know what you are doing in that case though!

lennivelkant ,

Linux in general and Arch in particular are kinda laissez-faire in that they’ll allow you to shoot yourself in the foot. Some distros may put barriers in your way, others practically hand you the gun, but at the end of the day, the gun is freely available and it’s your own foot that you’re shooting.

AWittyUsername ,

I agree but technology hasn’t really been “ours” for a long time. Rooting, jailbreaking, and open source is the only way to take back a modicum of control.

Empricorn ,

Didn’t they say the same thing about Internet Explorer, it was part of the OS and can’t be uninstalled or disabled…

Then, antitrust legal action against Microsoft and it turns out they can enable it being removable. Whoops!

thedeadwalking4242 ,

They are doing a lot better about baking stuff in these days. If you uninstall edge on windows you unironically break a lot of systems, can’t even play Minecraft or use teams lol

OsrsNeedsF2P ,

Webview2 is the edge component that is assumed to be installed on all Windows computers. Unlike runtimes which a launcher could detect is missing and install, Webview2 doesn’t have a silent installed that can be bundled. The user must, by hand, go to a website, select their CPU architecture, and install it.

Anyways it’s clear that, at least within the Windows org, Microsoft is the new Oracle and teams are pointing guns at each other. Hopefully it dies quick to avoid this slow decay.

Clbull ,

Off is the direction in which I would like Microsoft to fuck if they think I’m gonna have a deep learning AI spy on my computer activity.

This just makes me want to switch to Linux.

knightly ,
@knightly@pawb.social avatar

Do it.

Breadhax0r ,

Anecdotally it hasn’t been that hard. I’ve had the best luck with Linux Mint just working straight out of the box. I basically only use my computer to game so your mileage may vary if you need specialized software or something.

Also the benefit of mint is that Ubuntu has a huge user base comparatively so you can find a lot of info online for people who have probably already figured out issues that you might encounter.

pixelscript ,

Stop threatening. Commit. Take the leap. A lot of us here are already on the other side and we’ll help you find your footing.

kalpol ,

And it is not scary. A simple distro like Mint, figure out where the software repositories live, how to use thr off8xe suite, and you’re done. Life is "great*.

ElvenMithril ,

Try Fedora! I did and love it!

gwen ,

back up all your shit and move to linux. start with mint, thats the best one for total beginners imo

y0kai ,

Do it. I made the switch a few months ago and its so much better

Corr ,

Lots of support already but I made it switch in December last year and no regrets. There’s a bit of a learning curve getting used to a new environment but the computer actually becomes a tool you can shape to your needs rather than changing how you work so your computer will do it.

octopus_ink ,

A tool you control serves your interests. But when someone else controls it, they serve their own.

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