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Some subreddits could be paywalled, hints Reddit CEO

Reddit CEO Steve Huffman has hinted that in future some subreddits could be paywalled, as the company seeks to devise new sources of income.

He suggested that the company might experiment with paywalled subreddits as it looks to monetize new features. “I think the existing, altruistic, free version of Reddit will continue to exist and grow and thrive just the way it has,” Huffman said. “But now we will unlock the door for new use cases, new types of subreddits that can be built that may have exclusive content or private areas, things of that nature.”

This is another move likely to anger Redditors. While the platform is a commercial enterprise, its value derives almost entirely from freely offered user content. That means Redditors feel at least some sense of ownership in a community endeavour, so the company needs to tread carefully when it comes to monetization at user expense.

DandomRude , (edited )
@DandomRude@lemmy.world avatar

This is a terrible idea for a site that relies solely on user-generated content and even user-moderation. It’s not like Twitter hasn’t tried this before - didn’t work out so well, I’d say. But hey, this concept probably works for the upper management. I guess it doesn’t matter to them if all that’s left is scorched earth, as long as they can cash out.

alien ,

But they’re going to split the profits with content generators users, right? Right?

DandomRude ,
@DandomRude@lemmy.world avatar

Sure, 1$ for 5.000 high quality posts - but only if it is content that you would otherwise only find in scientific journals; no AI stuff, of course.

tektite ,

A whole dollar?? You’ll bankrupt spez at that rate!! How ever will he catch up to Jeff and the Muskrat if he’s out here giving these “users” the money he wants to keep?

postmateDumbass ,

Reddit: what are users for but to extract money from?

TheReturnOfPEB ,

digital champagne room

FordBeeblebrox ,

They had that, you get enough gold you get access to the lounge where people with internet money just talk about how to spend their points in other people.

Funny, you get enough virtual gold folks just want to share it. Real money, not so much

Angry_Autist ,

It was a lot more boring that people thought…

Naz ,

You got access to mega lounge if you never bought the gold for yourself and were instead gifted it

tiramichu ,

“I think the existing, altruistic, free version of Reddit will continue to exist and grow and thrive just the way it has,” Huffman said.

There’s nothing ‘altruistic’ about reddit

Vanth ,
@Vanth@reddthat.com avatar

I guess reddit was feeding me all those ads out of the kindness of their hearts and took no money for hosting them. “Altruistic”, lol.

The_Picard_Maneuver ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

If anything, they’re the ones benefiting from altruistic users giving them free labor to profit off of.

pleasejustdie ,

Pretty much, when they removed search engines who wouldn’t pay them was the final straw and I went back to reddit (after not being there since the API debacle) 1 last time and replaced all my 26,000 karma worth of comments with “Comment removed in protest of Reddit blocking search engines.” Took me a while, but meh, if they want to hasten its enshitification, I don’t mind doing my part.

kitnaht ,

Some users have actually reported Reddit going back and restoring those very comments.

pleasejustdie ,

yeah, I had heard of that, I’m hoping that since it was a while ago and most of them were the ones done by automated systems and not going through it comment by comment editing them, but I’ll keep at it, if I have to sneak one edit through a day or something.

Shdwdrgn ,

If it’s an automated system, wouldn’t it be written to just look at the original post date, and if the comment was changed (say a month or a year) later, then the script restores the original post? I mean you could get fancy and have the script check if a user is changing all of their comments to the same message, but that seems like overkill. On the other hand, I’ve been running into quite a few posts lately where it’s obvious a single person has simply deleted all of their comments, and I don’t think those are getting reverted?

Cephalotrocity ,

Can confirm. At least, mass deleting via api no longer worked last I tried.

Fapper_McFapper ,

I did the same thing except I deleted all of my comments instead of replacing them. Not only did Reddit undo my deletion they locked me out of my account and no matter what I tried to do I was never able to gain ownership of the account again. Then they sent me letters asking me to buy into their shitty IPO. Fuck Reddit and a very special fuck you to spez.

skulblaka ,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

They have an edit history for every piece of content on the site. All you’ve done is post a giant flagpole on all your content stating “this account was previously owned by a real live human” and increased the value of those comments for AI scraping. Unfortunately your protest has done nothing but help them.

The best way to stick it to reddit these days is to not interact with it at all. Don’t add to their data store, don’t give them traffic, don’t click on them in search results. Don’t protest-edit your content because you’re just helping them separate wheat from chaff.

btaf45 ,

Don’t protest-edit your content because you’re just helping them separate wheat from chaff.

How about just replace some of your content with this stuff from time to time.

loremipsum.io

EnderMB ,

Spare a thought for those that have bought Reddit Gold over the years, only to then discover just how much the CEO was paid, up against how much Reddit actually makes as a platform.

It’s not just free labour. They’re literally paying him.

AutomaticUpdates ,
@AutomaticUpdates@monero.town avatar

The altruistic, free version of Reddit is Lemmy.

Telorand ,

Free*

*Except for very real server costs.

AutomaticUpdates ,
@AutomaticUpdates@monero.town avatar

Free*

*as in Freedom, but you’re absolutely right

Telorand ,

Not saying you meant it that way, but people often forget that the Fediverse costs money to run; unlike companies like Reddit, though, the admins are usually not trying to also turn a profit at the same time.

merc ,

The users used to be altruistic, helping other people just because they wanted to be friendly. Because the site used to feel like a real community. But, now that the site is so clearly for-profit I think a lot of users are going to be much less helpful to strangers.

It’s hard to quit the site because it gets so much traffic, which means so much stuff gets posted there. On the other hand, I think the high-quality comments from someone trying to help out are less common.

Adalast ,

Why do all of these companies decide they are so tired of existing?

Wilshire ,
@Wilshire@lemmy.world avatar

It’s the final stage of the pump n dump.

AbidanYre ,

That dude is really trying to kill his own platform, isn’t he?

Erasmus ,
@Erasmus@lemmy.world avatar

Taking lessons from Elon.

Maybe they need to charge users a monthly fee and add blue check marks. Lol

Technofrood ,

So Reddit gold?

PopcornPrincess ,

I don’t miss the often-regurgitated response of “Gee, thanks stranger” that Redditers would say after receiving gold. It would always annoy me.

tootoughtoremember ,

Thank you kind stranger!

edit: Wow, didn’t expect this to blow up!!!

Sludgehammer ,
@Sludgehammer@lemmy.world avatar

Taking lessons from Elon.

Wasn’t Huffman singing Elon’s praises after the Twitter purchase?

Thrife ,

I remember that too, but am not that sure…

Oh yeah, he did! nbcnews.com/…/reddit-blackout-protest-private-ceo…

Doing right as his role model!

NickwithaC ,
@NickwithaC@lemmy.world avatar

Huffman is a full on Musketeer.

stonerboner ,

He pointed at Twitter’s “success” after Elon took it over as reasons why he is enshittifying Reddit. That comment is why I left Reddit and haven’t looked back.

goferking0 ,

And after the Twitter api pricing

AbidanYre ,

Ooh, I wonder if he’ll sue all the users that left Reddit to join Lemmy.

SzethFriendOfNimi ,

Quarterly reports demand that line go up.

The line must always go up.

fluxion ,

Short-term gains > *

iAmTheTot ,

Lot of wishful thinking in here. Fact is, Reddit isn’t going anywhere.

Telorand ,

What will likely happen is the worst assholes will be the ones paying for this stuff, much like Xitter, because it is a demonstration of being a part of the alt-right, ultra-capitalist in-group.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

It was wishful thinking when people revolted for 3 days against the API going away. What happened? Nothing. People were back to Reddit as normal a week later. Reddit’s userbase has only grown since then. People will complain to the ends of the Earth but there’s no amount of abuse you can levy at the them that will convince them to make the minor inconvenience of moving to a different platform. See: Twitter.

skulblaka ,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

Lemmy’s largest userbase growth of all time, ever, happened during the reddit API fiasco.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Did some people leave? Sure. Any actual significant portion? No, not even a little.

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

There’s also no correlation between creating a Lemmy account and completely quitting Reddit.

btaf45 ,

Yes. More than a little. It was a huge event for lemmy. Did you think the entire reddit userbase was going to switch in one week? Reddit didn’t get their userbase in one week. It’s a process. Now there is a well known alternative to reddit. Everything in reddit looks shittier than it was before the exodus. It’s nearly impossible to become a ‘new user’ on reddit and with the rando-bans they keep giving out they are just going to keep shrinking.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Yes. More than a little.

If you’d like to post evidence that contradicts my source, please do. “Leaving” for a few days doesn’t count.

Did you think the entire reddit userbase was going to switch in one week?

I was not discussing anything to do with “switching”, I was discussing users leaving Reddit.

manualoverride ,

If you’d like to post evidence that contradicts my source, please do. “Leaving” for a few days doesn’t count.

I was not discussing anything to do with “switching”, I was discussing users leaving Reddit.

Maybe they encountered so many charming people like you on Lemmy they had to go back to Reddit in case they turned nice?

Would that mean they switched and switched back? Or left and re-joined?

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Ah yes, because we all know Reddit only has the nicest folks…

manualoverride ,

Well it looks like they’re missing at least one 😉

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Missing one…?

manualoverride ,

You of course! Silly goose

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

I don’t get it. I belong on Reddit because I’m a nice person?

manualoverride ,

I was really tempted to continue playing along here but then I thought you may just be Autistic and unable to follow….

You appear to be a little aggressive with your messages, normal people don’t communicate in such a confrontational way. Just take a step back, take a deep breath, and try to have civil disagreements with people.

We’re all just here to read some stuff, learn some stuff and try to ignore our real lives for a bit… let’s try and have fun while we’re here.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

You call me autistic in one sentence and accuse me of being confrontational, then ask me to be civil in the next. I think maybe you need to work on your communication skills.

IMongoose ,

Reddit has over 1,000,000,000 active users per month. Lemmy has about 50,000. The API fiasco was a big deal for lemmy, but it was not a big deal for reddit. Lemmy is a rounding error to them.

I would also bet that a lot of lemmy users still visit reddit for their niche communities. I know I do, even though I host a server for my own niche hobby, but I’m the only one who’s ever posted anything to it.

j4yt33 ,

How many of them are real users vs bots though? It’s easy to inflate numbers

AbidanYre ,

Meh, I deleted my account and moved on. Other than snarky comments I don’t really care what happens to it anymore.

stealth_cookies ,

The way I interpret what he is suggesting is that they are planning on going after Patreon type websites that provide a private paid for space for a creator’s supporters. It’s unlikely, but they could also pretty easily go after OF to keep that traffic on site.

JonnyJ ,

i mean, this is the site that blocked nsfw content from hitting the front page

ch00f ,

It’s kind of indicative of how bad the web has gotten that twitter and reddit still have users. Digg completely imploded over much less than this. Just that back in 2010, there was somewhere else to go.

inb4 Lemmy. I get it, but we’re not there yet.

chonglibloodsport ,

I love Lemmy but I really, really miss the old web. Back when people would just create their own website and put it out there to share their niche interest with the world. People just organically linked their sites to each other to form web rings, an easy method of federation without any reliance on sophisticated server-side software.

amanda ,
@amanda@aggregatet.org avatar

I still do this!

The_v ,

The heyday of the forums. For about 2 years the combination of Tapatalk and forums was awesome. Centralized interface with no ads, all the discussion.

Then they both gutted their functionality and spammed in the ads.

thehatfox ,
@thehatfox@lemmy.world avatar

The makeup of web users has changed a lot since 2010. The average web surfer was a lot less passive in attitude in decades past.

balancedchaos ,

I hate listening to my younger brother talk about technology. He is just a sheep in an apple pen, and perfectly happy. I don’t get it.

chonglibloodsport ,

The enshittification must go on!

cheddar ,
@cheddar@programming.dev avatar

He’s trying to make money, he doesn’t care about the platform or its future. The Boeing’s CEO during the two 737 MAX crashes had to resign… with $62.2 million in his pockets. These people live in a different world.

ft.com/…/522fab9c-34f2-11ea-a6d3-9a26f8c3cba4

PastryPaul ,

While I look forward to the continuing demise of Reddit, I’m not looking forward to the influx of even more Redditors.

BlucifersVeinyAnus ,

Glad I got out when I did

smithbird02 ,

I just made a Lenny account because of this. Fuck them

todd_bonzalez ,

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

OutlierBlue ,

What did you do to that poor lemming, you creepy bastard!

Akasazh ,
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

Welcome!

Chespirito ,

I’ve switched to using this as well but it has very little user interaction. I hope it grows and is able to compete with Reddit one day. It would be nice to be able to go to a basketball or political subreddit (what do we call them here?) and actually be able to have a nice conversation.

clickyello ,

they’re called lemmy communities, and there’s plenty of interaction! honestly it reminds me of the old days on Reddit before it ballooned into the monster it is today, I legitimately prefer it in every way other than lacking the niche communities (looking at you !2007scape >.>)

you can find good political discussion in !politicalmemes or !news

dunno if there’s any good basketball communities tho, not my bag lol

Chespirito ,

Thank you! And I like the interactions I’ve had so far. It’s just that I’m a huge NBA fan and that’s where I spent most of my time on Reddit. The nba Lemmy community isn’t very big yet but I’m trying to change that by being more active here. I really enjoy this and it feels like actual discussions can be had here unlike on Reddit.

balder1991 ,

Lemmy is naturally more focused on technology, so sports communities will probably continue to be mostly on Reddit.

rglullis ,
@rglullis@communick.news avatar

It doesn’t have to be this way. There are instances focused only on basketball, soccer, American Football, Tennis

rglullis ,
@rglullis@communick.news avatar

It would be great to have people like you on fediverser.network. Follow the subreddits that you miss from there and use to promote the Lemmy alternatives.

And I hope to see you soon on !nba. :)

Excrubulent ,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

“Sub” is a generic term from the BBS days, short for “subforum”, “subcommunity”, whatever, so I just use that. I don’t like to use “community” because it’s long and clunky.

Chespirito ,

I wasn’t aware of that! Thank you for educating me on the term.

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Where Reddit has “subreddits” Lemmy has “communities.” Which is a 4 syllable word with 9 or 11 letters depending on singular or plural and no convenient abbreviation so most of us especially the Reddit expats lapse back into calling them “subs.”

Chespirito ,

Thank you for information! I’m happy to have joined this community. For the most part there’s actual discussions here and not just meme answers at the top of every post

dezmd ,
@dezmd@lemmy.world avatar

Comms and subcomms?

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

No such thing as a subcommunity AFAIK. There are instances (like lemmy.world or sh.itjust.works) and those instances have communities (like Technology or AskLemmy or…do we have a MallNinjaShit yet anywhere on the Fediverse?)

dezmd ,
@dezmd@lemmy.world avatar

Lemmy.world is a community, /c/news is a subcommunity in that context.

It is whatever we collectively decide it is with enough traction at the end of the day, right?

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

I think I’m going with the terminology used in Lemmy’s documentation.

OlinOfTheHillPeople ,
SlapnutsGT ,

What’s next? Change the name of the platform to Y.com?

Dark_Dragon ,

Nah spez_Fu*ker101.com

violetraven ,
@violetraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Wouldn’t be shocked if it cane out he had a burner/secondary on one of ViolentAcrez subreddits

Xeroxchasechase ,

Y not?

CaptPretentious ,

Then following up by threatening to sue all the users who deleted the comments they made and left

Magister ,
@Magister@lemmy.world avatar

I did that in June last year, after 13 years of reddit and thousands of comments, all “gone”

The_v ,

Go back and check again. They are actively restoring deleted comments. About once a month I log back on and delete another round. Usually another 10-15 “mysteriously” pop back up again.

slickgoat ,

I deleted 12 plus years worth and they are still gone.

ShepherdPie ,

I think they’re catching people who are mass deleting comments at once. I recall reading that people were having more success deleting comments in smaller batches during the whole API debacle.

The_v ,

They were a bit more tricky than that I believe. They capped the user page at 3 years of search. So when you delete everything using those scripts it deletes the newer stuff but misses all the older ones. Then after the script runs it shows - no comments.

glockenspiel ,

There’s also credible reports that Reddit is testing an even sneakier method. They will hide the “deleted” comments when you are logged in and looking for them in your history. But other people can still see them; Reddit just understands you are a hostile actor in their eyes so they pull manipulation games like with shadow banning.

ShepherdPie ,

I only have a layman’s understanding of this but wouldn’t that violate the GDPR in Europe if say your IP address somehow changed to an EU country? I thought the GDPR gives you the right to delete your information permanently, though maybe there is some legal loophole where your comments in a forum don’t count?

CaptPretentious ,

Son of a bitch your right. All my posts got restored! I ran one of those scripts that went through and deleted them all… and sure as fuck I can find them if I search for my reddit account name.

TheObviousSolution , (edited )
@TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee avatar

The dumbass does not have an original idea or vision in his body. After turning his users into consumer goods, now he’s just thinking about reddit r/lounge 2.0 and combining it with reddit awards 2.0 and reddit talk 2.0.

First of all, that only works if moderators get payed or you get some extremely gullible and power hungry ones, which for the first I doubt his money scrounging self could allow and for the second, that’s the problem.

It will also open up a whole can of worms that reddit certainly has deserved for some time now, people suing if they are banned from these communities, specially if it was due to personal fickle prerogative of one of the mods. But considering what reddit has gotten away with, this last point is not really that likely.

ResponsibleBorder746 ,
@ResponsibleBorder746@lemmy.world avatar

lol I saw this on reddit and was like fuck it, and made a lemmy account.

Der_Fossyler ,

welcome here 👋

Der_Fossyler ,

welcome here 👋

papertowels ,

Hello hello! Welcome!

sgbrain7 ,

Yay, new friend!

captainlezbian ,

Welcome to Lemmy. Go fuck yourself /s

lavafroth ,

Welcome back to trench.

Natanael ,

The best thing is how many different servers people are from here. No single gatekeeper who can wreck it.

witx ,

The truth is in the better days of Reddit I would’ve paid 2 or 3 dollars to access Reddit if that helped maintain it sustainable and if some of that money reverted to mods. Now? Reddit can burn

a_guy_at_home ,

That was the first sales pitch for Reddit gold. That they just needed a couple bucks a month to pay for the servers. Lots of power uses back then did just that, and felt pretty good about themselves. There were people also arguing even then that anybody who paid Reddit’s bills for them was an idiot, but lots of people did.

witx ,

I mean I get their feelings. Netflix et Al started with reasonable prices and then the greedy fuck heads raised the prices, so I bet Reddit would do it as well.

Speculater ,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

I definitely bought Reddit gold to support them. Then they got all greedy. Today I pay Sync for a nice app and donate to my Lemmy and Mastodon hosts.

thehatfox ,
@thehatfox@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah this feels like a move that would have worked a lot better before Reddit had burned a bunch of bridges with their most active users.

The pool of people with enough goodwill to pay now is likely small, and shrinking. The causal new users probably are that keen to pay up either.

glockenspiel ,

Fark still exists with that small monthly payment to support the site model. Drew, the owner, regularly meets up with folks, too. And if you’re a subscriber he must buy you a beer if you ask him per the “terms” of service.

A nice, relatively small, community. That’s what Reddit used to be. Your post really resonated with me.

Fedizen ,

nice. This won’t backfire

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

So…this is for porn.

Only fans, but on Reddit.

I suspect it will work out sickeningly well for them.

Sunroc ,

Proof of concept for allowing super users to have a patreon model maybe?

Though I can’t remember the last time there were site wide famous users. Last I remember is that bird lady.

If this is their endgame the bot problem would get even worse as the value proposition improves for abusers

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot ,

I mean, wasn’t that what /r/lounge was for?

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