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Decentralised YouTube alternative Odysee no longer serving ads

Odysee, a decentralised YouTube alternative focused on free speech, is officially ending the serving of ads on the platform, starting today. The post:

“Dear friends of Odysee, Starting today, we’re removing all ads. We don’t need ads to make money as a platform and we are confident in the development of our own new monetisation programs that will help creators earn a living and at the same time keep Odysee alive. Ultimately, sacrificing the overall user experience to make a few bucks isn’t worth it to us and nor is it even sustainable for a platform that wishes to make something truly open and creatively free.

As we take this decision, one thing is certain to us, media platforms (even ones that market themselves as ‘free-speech’) typically devolve into advertising companies and end up becoming beholden to their paymasters. It’s been that way for centuries and is never going to change.

As we see YouTube become more aggressive with their ad deployment and ‘Free Speech’ platforms try to build their own ad businesses it’s apparent to us that we’re building a model for Odysee that will keep it sustainable not only financially, but in its ability to provide an incorruptible user experience.

Our approach may be considered niche or unconventional, that’s fine by us. Odysee will be used by the world on terms that are agreeable to its users, and we know our users don’t like ads.

Best, Founder & Creator, Chief Executive Officer. Julian Chandra”

nevemsenki ,

Most such attempts fail when not enough people subscribe to paying tiers. Good luck to them nevertheless, I hope they succeed.

DreitonLullaby OP ,

If anyone does want to support them, even by a small amount, and don’t have much money, I personally recommend subscribing for a month or two to the Premium+ subsciption, which is only $2.99/month. It’s all I can afford atm personally, so that’s what I’m going to be doing. They deserve support just for this action alone.

Kbobabob ,

I don’t understand how that’s much different than YouTube. If you pay for YouTube then you don’t get ads either.

Melt ,

The difference is your favorite channel won’t be destroyed by a corporate abusing copyright strike, they won’t have to self-censor themselves from saying fuck or shit. A platform making money from ads means every content creator on that platform is a slave to the advertisers

mindlight ,

My favorite channel wouldn’t have millions of subscribers and a somewhat steady recurring income because of this.

It’s a classic catch 22: Without viewers, no content creators. Without content creators, no viewers.

I think it’s great that they try to get rid of what makes YouTube suck but I don’t see that content creators are leaving YouTube anywhere soon.

DreitonLullaby OP ,

They don’t need to leave YouTube at all. That’s because Odysee provides a YouTube sync feature, that syncs every upload from YouTube with the Odysee channel. They can set the sync and never touch Odysee again if they want to. Plus, if we collectively ask our favourite YouTubers to join Odysee, and actually make them realise that Odysee exists, more of them will eventually join. Once more have joined, it will be easier to convince even more YouTubers to join again. The cycle continues, and Odysee grows.

mindlight ,

I’m sorry to be the guy that tried to ruin your party, but “if we collectively…”… How many people are you talking about?

100, 1000, 10000, 100000 ?

This is business. We’re talking about someone’s livelihood. Peace on earth is nice but it doesn’t guarantee food on your table.

Syncing is an alternative as long as it doesn’t mean that a view pays less on Odyssee than on YouTube. If it does, then the creator would not gain anything, just kidding income.

What is your selling argument for a YouTube creator with 100000 views on average to move to Odyssee?

DreitonLullaby OP ,

I’m sorry to be the guy that tried to ruin your party, but “if we collectively…”… How many people are you talking about?

100, 1000, 10000, 100000 ?

As many people as are willing to do it. If you’re not; that’s fine; I’m not telling anyone they have to; it’s just an encouragement.

Syncing is an alternative as long as it doesn’t mean that a view pays less on Odyssee than on YouTube. If it does, then the creator would not gain anything, just kidding income.

Syncing is up to the YouTuber, it’s not hard to do, and requires no channel management after initially set up. They may not have a reason, depending on who they are, but it’s better to get some people on board with it than none.

What is your selling argument for a YouTube creator with 100000 views on average to move to Odyssee?

There is no “selling” point other than that it’s easy to set up and may earn them some extra cash, even if it’s not much in comparison to their YouTube pay. Other than that, there’s the fact that YouTube false copyright claims videos all the time, and if the YouTuber can’t get their video back up, their viewers can still at least view it through Odysee where the synced video did not get removed. If the channel is automatically taken down by false copyright issues, as has happened before, the video’s aren’t suddenly lost forever. Not all YouTubers keep a backup of all their videos on their own drives, and if their channel is taken down completely, “bye bye content”. I’m not trying to say that these reasons are much for most YouTubers, but with dozens of millions of YouTubers out there making good money, there are bound to be at least hundreds of thousands of them who would sync with Odysee if they knew about it.

Jordan117 ,

they won’t have to self-censor themselves from saying fuck or shit

…or “non-white people are degenerate inferiors”.

Fuck Odysee.

DreitonLullaby OP ,

The point of the post is that Odysee no longer has ads. I’m not trying to say you needed the subscription to remove ads. That’s how it was previously, until today. Free users don’t see ads anymore.

The difference between YouTube Premium and Odysee Premium is mainly in it’s reason for existing. YouTube Premium exists for the sole purpose of providing features that used to be free, with some extra things that most people don’t givea hoot about and never use; and, you know… to make themselves richer. It exists so that people buy it for the value it specifically brings them.

So essentially; people buy YouTube premium for the features, while people buy Odysee Premium to support the growth of the platform, help fund the platform, and support free speech. The extra features they get are just a little bonus as thanks. Not only that, but the features Odysee provides are “Early-Access” features, which means that most, if not all of those features will become available for free users eventually. At that point, I’m not sure what Odysee Premium will provide if all the features become free; they’ll have to figure something else out to give it more incentive. But as it currently stands, Odysee Premium is more like a donation than a service; which gives you extra features as thanks.

1984 ,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

Profits for big tech is never enough, and they will raise prices and introduce more ads forever. This is because in modern economy, having a quarter where the profits don’t grow is punished severely on the stock market.

todd_bonzalez ,

Good luck to them nevertheless, I hope they succeed.

Personally, I hope the platform that welcomes Nazis crashes and burns.

x00z ,
@x00z@lemmy.world avatar

Freedom goes both ways. I hate nazis, but it’s better to have their bullshit out in the open to be criticized, than have them group up on shady underground places that would only make it worse.

todd_bonzalez ,

Absolutely fucking not.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

The Nazis already put their ideas out on the open, and we saw what happened.

x00z ,
@x00z@lemmy.world avatar

The opposite is “the illusion of safety because of moderated platforms”. One might think a platform that removes fake news would only have real news, but that’s obviously not the case and creates an even worse landscape.

todd_bonzalez ,

Just because moderating platforms to eliminate Nazis only drives them to build their own spaces doesn’t make deplatforming them the wrong move. I prefer them existing in the fringes rather than being accepted into the mainstream.

Tolerance for Nazis is only possible if you are ignorant of history, or if you are actively evil. “Stupid or Evil?” Isn’t a great place to exist, but I have to conclude one way or the other every time I run into this “why don’t we just hear the Nazis out?” narrative…

We know enough about Nazis already to tell them to go fuck themselves before they even open their mouths. Giving them a voice is an act of violence.

x00z ,
@x00z@lemmy.world avatar

You’re doing the same as what others are trying to do to any open platform. You’re claiming that me trying to defend absolute freedom of speech is the same as me asking why we don’t hear them out. And as long as you believe that is the same, I’d rather not waste time discussing this.

Absolute freedom of speech goes both ways, indefinitely. If a platform is too heavily moderated and hides stuff like this, not only does it create the illusion that it does not exist, it also sets a precedent for abuse by the platform owners. The biggest example at the moment is how Musk uses X to suppress arguments that don’t fit his narrative.

Filter bubbles are a very new concept and are much worse than coming across people spreading hatred and being able to tell them to suck it.

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

Fuck no.

1984 ,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

I agree with you but so few people think so today. They think censorship is the answer because if they don’t see it, they feel better and can forget it exists.

systemglitch ,

Reading your comments is Nazis Nazis Nazis. I think you need some help.

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

Alright snowflake

iAmTheTot ,

Isn’t this the crypto bro, far right haven site? No thanks.

DreitonLullaby OP ,

Why not do proper research about the platform before attacking one of the only platforms trying to create the change they want to see in the world?

ProdigalFrog ,

Please be aware, Odysee was recently purchased by a Crypto company that also acquired an NFT company.

For more info, see my comment here: slrpnk.net/comment/9749921

I would not recommend investing any time or money into the platform, as it will inevitably crash and burn as the owners walk away flush with cash while everyone else is left holding the bag.

Peertube is not ideal, but it is currently the only alternative that isn’t tied to a shady crypto scheme.

AbidanYre ,

Nazi NFTs you say?

Not interested.

iAmTheTot ,

I attack them because the change they want to create is not one I want. You can keep your Nazi and crypto trash to yourself.

DreitonLullaby OP ,

What is wrong with you to put someone you don’t know, who has hardly shared their views, on the same level as Nazi’s? Nazi’s disgust me. Truly, and I mean this: The only thing I did was express my high valuation of free speech. May I ask: do you actually care about free speech at all? Is free speech to you anything that matters? I mean it… I don’t want you to go into the ins and outs of all your beliefs. I genuinely want to know… do you believe that free speech matters? Or do you believe that free speech should only be allowed if the words don’t disgust you… I stress this: I am not asking you this as a rhetorical question… I want to know what you think.

Look, if terrible people never are allowed to ever converse with good people about their beliefs; what’s right or wrong; or whatever it may be… How does that person ever, ever change for the better? Restricting free speech for the sake of hiding and whimpering in fear of evil people… will not make them go away… it will not help the world; or them, in any way.

If people are allowed to openly talk with people about what they think and believe, they can be reasoned with. If they are not; they will simply join up with their own like-minded group of individuals and cause more harm than if we just allowed them to talk in the first place. If allowing them to speak causes harm, it’s because no one was willing to listen to them and reason with them in the first place.

I guess then, in a sense, you could say that society rationally conversing and respectfully debating, is just as vital as free speech itself. You can’t have one, but not the other, or else that free speech may cause more harm. If society rationally converses with each other about these issues, but restricts freedom of speech to not allow the sharing of radically opposing ideas, everyone on the “good” side, (so to speak), is bound to lock themselves up in an echo-chamber. And even if the ideas bound within that “echo-chamber” happen to be correct and good, the ones who have opposing ideas (Nazi’s, in this case), to the social norm and common beliefs of the world, in turn create an echo-chamber for the dangerous groups such as those Nazi’s. This second echo-chamber, allows that group (the Nazi’s) to form a rebellion. And what’s been happening lately in the world? They’ve been rebelling; causing harm. If society would just talk with them, we may be able to help them and in turn increase the amount of peace in the world. I am not sympathizing with Nazi’s, by the way; I am saying that they can be helped; but only if we allow both free speech and make it part of culture to rationally converse, and respectfully debate everyone, no matter their beliefs. THIS is why I believe in such radical free speech.

I hope you and those reading this will at least understand my perspective, even if you can’t agree with it. If I’m wrong, and I acknowledge that I could be; tell me. Just do it with care. That’s not just for me but for everyone, even when they get angry or belittle you. We should all be treating each other well. Before this comment, I was starting to get very irrationally angry at the replies people were giving me, but mainly because I was starting to be personally attacked and my character assumed to be terrible. I’m sorry for being like that to you guys. Even if you hate me for this comment and what you may or may not see as my sheer stupidity, I still love ya. I need to take a break from Lemmy and the internet and go touch some grass now.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

It split from LBRY, which originally pushed a cryptocurrency system kind of like Brave’s BAT. They’re now trying to go decentralized, but it’s with a blockchain system, so I guess we’ll see where that goes (blockchain isn’t a problem, provided they’re not pushing a currency).

I’m interested to see where it goes, so I sub to a few channels I’d otherwise watch on YouTube. But I’m not giving them any of my money until they earn it. I’m currently paying for Nebula because a few of my favorite channels are there, and I’d be willing to pay for Odysee if there was a decent value proposition.

SteveFromMySpace ,

focused on free speech

Is this like…an actual commitment to free speech, or is “freeze peach” I.e. the right claiming they are being silenced online with no evidence and demanding they never be held accountable for what they say?

DreitonLullaby OP ,

Are you seriously telling me that you think videos on YouTube and other mainstream platforms aren’t being censored? People need to stop calling it a “right” platform. People of all political ideologies are on the platform, you are just picking out the stuff you don’t like; the platform isn’t even political or meant for that purpose; it’s meant for all forms of content creation.

Why do you think they have the categories in their sidebar, "Pop Culture; Artists; Education; Lifestyle; Spooky; Gaming; Tech; Comedy; Music; Sports; Universe; Finance 2.0; Spirituality; News & Politics; Wild West – in that order… Notice Politics is second last?

SteveFromMySpace ,

I didn’t call it anything, I’m asking. I never said YouTube was a free speech platform. In fact I didn’t say anything about YouTube.

Please read what I wrote again. “Free speech” is a very loaded term now online so I was seeking clarification on what “free speech” means to them. It was a genuine question that is warranted when browsing online in 2024.

DreitonLullaby OP , (edited )

Sorry… I apologise for the misunderstanding and mini-rant.

You appeared to me to be asking a rhetorical question in a sarcastic manner and implying that they aren’t really committed to free speech, and the reason I was frustrated was because I’m quite sick of this platform being labelled as right/far-right when it isn’t. YouTube was just an example one mainstream platform that censors content.

If you’d like to see an example of how committed they are to free speech, I can’t really easily provide a direct source to a question that broad, but I do recommend taking a look at some of LBRY’s earliest posts on Odysee which you’ll find will highlight some of their original goals and vision (LBRY is the protocol Odysee used to use, and Odysee was created by the same team as LBRY). Otherwise, maybe just take a look around the platform, and try to see what kind of opinion or political-related content is on the platform that you don’t tend to see on others which have greater censorship.

Edit: Accidentally commented early, so had to edit it to finish typing. Edit 2: Clarified info about who LBRY is.

SteveFromMySpace ,

I’ll be mindful of my wording in the future. I want to reiterate that this was a genuine question.

I do think if a lot of people are telling you the site is right wing then maybe you should take a broader look around. You don’t have to be participating in that garbage for it to be occurring.

DreitonLullaby OP ,

Well I know there’s a lot of right-wing content on there, but I also know there’s a lot of other content there, too. So I don’t think it’s okay when people call it a “right-wing” platform, just because it appears to have more of it on there compared to other platforms.

PerogiBoi ,
@PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca avatar

The creators of the site allow Nazi content and say that doesn’t break their terms of service. On every other site, Nazism and promoting that ideology is not allowed.

This is what you are arguing for. A site that differentiates itself from other video hosting platforms by giving Nazis a safe space.

IdleSheep ,
@IdleSheep@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Why is it not okay to call it what it is? If you openly allow nazis into your site, you have a nazi site. I’m sorry but there’s just no way around it.

Either you nip that garbage in the bud or your site is overrun by far right nut jobs, which is what happened with odysee.

Of course nobody wants to use the site. Why would they?

It’s the nazi bar problem. You allow one nazi to enter your bar, then that nazi brings his nazi friends, and before you notice it you have a nazi bar and no one wants to visit.

Odysee doesn’t “appear” to have more right wing content, it objectively does. The majority of people who migrate to it are wackos who got banned in other places for their extremist views.

z3rOR0ne ,

Can you recommend me more than a few hardcore leftist content creators exclusively releasing content on Odyssee?

todd_bonzalez ,

Are you seriously telling me that you think videos on YouTube and other mainstream platforms aren’t being censored?

No, they never said anything like that. Read the comment you’re responding to again.

TheGrandNagus , (edited )

Unfortunately, it’s probably the latter.

Executive Julian Chandra wrote to Odysee site moderators that “a Nazi that makes videos about the superiority of the white race” was not grounds for removal from Odysee.

They have actively defended far-right content, even videos that have openly called for genocide.

For balance, though, they haven’t purged left wing content like some “free speech” people do (not that there’s much of that there anyway)

AbidanYre ,

Why does that always end up being the case?

todd_bonzalez ,

Because good people aren’t free speech absolutists, because we understand the danger of leaving violent or dishonest ideas unchallenged.

Anyone who thinks Nazism is an idea worthy of consideration is just a Nazi. That argument was concluded in 1945, and the only people revisiting it are people who want a different conclusion.

CosmicTurtle0 ,

Do they also suppress left/socialist content?

If they did, then yeah it’s a shit service.

I am by no means defending Nazi content. But if they are allowing any speech, I’d say this is closer to being “free speech” than Twitter currently is.

x00z ,
@x00z@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, it goes both ways. And they aren’t using the platform to push any of their personal believes either.

Telorand ,

Speech doesn’t exist in a vacuum, and all ideas aren’t equal. The libertarian idea of absolute free speech is a half-baked notion that holds that Nazi philosophies are equal to Humanist philosophies, and they each deserve the same megaphone and chance to thrive.

Fuck. That. And fuck anyone who thinks that or platforms Nazis. Libertarian free speech is a myth that only benefits Nazis and other bad actors.

rozodru ,
@rozodru@lemmy.ca avatar

that’s a lot of words to say “no one wants to advertise on our pro-nazi video site”

OsrsNeedsF2P ,

Thank goodness we have Lemmies ensuring no alternative tech can threaten YouTube. I was worried people might actually be against Odyssey in the comments

rozodru ,
@rozodru@lemmy.ca avatar

oh please. I’m all for alternatives to youtube, just not ones that are backed by crypto schemes and appeal to and embrace nazi’s.

But you go ahead and give them your money, I’m sure they’ll appreciate it.

gentooer ,

I remember liking the idea of Odysee, but that turned rather quickly

Emerald ,

Yep. Use FastLBRY, not Odysee

Edit: huh… it might be dead now?

notabug.org/jyamihud/FastLBRY-GTK

RobotToaster ,
@RobotToaster@mander.xyz avatar

Are they still using LBRY? Or did they switch to a different protocol?

DreitonLullaby OP ,

They officially announced they were switching to the Arweave protocol in a post a little under a month ago, but I’m not sure if it’s happened yet; haven’t looked further into it yet, and it was revealed by other sources a little while prior to that.

Alphane_Moon , (edited )
@Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world avatar

I was curious what Arweave was, so I went to their site.

Turns out it’s yet another crypto scheme.

I thought this statement on their landing page was particularly funny:

The Arweave protocol is stable, mature and widely adopted.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

It’s a blockchain system, but that doesn’t mean it’s related to cryptocurrencies in any way. Maybe it is, idk, but blockchain != cryptocurrencies, many cryptocurrencies use blockchains though because it’s useful for what they’re trying to do.

Alphane_Moon ,
@Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world avatar

I am aware that blockchain is not the same thing as cryptocurrency.

And they do have a coin:

coinmarketcap.com/currencies/arweave/

rozodru ,
@rozodru@lemmy.ca avatar

ah so they ditched one crypto scam for another crypto scam. nice.

why are you so dead set on dying on this hill for a video site? you’re advocating for a pro-nazi crypto scam video site.

PerogiBoi ,
@PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca avatar

Is this not a neo-Nazi/far right platform? I only ever see them linking antivax and evropa content on Odysee. That’s where I’ve heard of it.

Imperor ,
@Imperor@lemmy.world avatar

I mirror my stuff from youtube over there and I do not fall into these categories. To be fair, I have the tiniest of audiences anyway, so… doesn’t really matter either way.

Haven’t checked in on Odyssee for a while though. Not sure if the auto mirror thing still works.

DreitonLullaby OP ,

Cool. What’s your channel? I have a gaming channel for no-commentary playthrough’s. It’s not synced from YouTube, though.

victorz ,

no-commentary play-throughs

🤤👌 The best content.

Imperor ,
@Imperor@lemmy.world avatar

Honestly, I might just have to think about getting into that type if thing. I am not one for editing anyway.

victorz ,

Go on!

DreitonLullaby OP ,

I found your channel, and yeah, your latest YouTube uploads are still being synced to Odysee.

Imperor ,
@Imperor@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks for checking :D that is pretty cool.

kent_eh ,

I mirror my stuff from youtube over there and I do not fall into these categories

Same.

And I’ve noticed that there seems to be a very small user base there.

My videos and most in my niche only get 10s of views on Odysee.

When I go browsing around outside of my niche, I tend to find quite a bit of right wing conspiracy stuff. Not really who I want to be associated with, but it’s not nearly as bad as some of the other (now failed) "free speech " video platforms that came before it.

DreitonLullaby OP ,

You sometimes see that stuff on Odysee because they don’t censor it, unless it promotes violence or hatred to individuals. They do have community guidelines after all, since they can’t legally host… illegal content. In that sense there is censorship because they can’t not censor things to some extent; but the free speech and large lack of censorship is their goal regardless. As an Odysee user for over 2 years, this is the minority of content on the platform. Where you do see that content that breaks the rules… that’s what the report button is for.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

You sometimes see that stuff on Odysee because they don’t censor it, unless it promotes violence or hatred to individuals.

All neo-nazi /far right content promotes violence and hatred to individuals, since groups are made up of individuals.

PerogiBoi ,
@PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca avatar

My understanding was that Odysee served the purpose to upload videos that could no longer be uploaded on YouTube due to YouTube’s community guidelines. The time I checked out that website the front page was full of manosphere types and the Evropa documentary and anti vax crap

DreitonLullaby OP ,

That was never the purpose of the platform, otherwise it would have been marketed that way. The platform allows more content than YouTube does, so it’s not far-fetched to assume that people would use the platform for that, and tell others they should use the platform because of that. What random people on the internet promoted the platform being good for is not the same thing as the platform owners themselves creating the platform for that very purpose. If you really care about the “purpose” of the platform, just watch some of LBRY’s oldest videos on the platform from before the Odysee frontend even existed yet for LBRY; where they were first revealing their visions for the platform and the progress they had made.

Also note that plenty of people upload stuff to Odysee for their preservation efforts. Just because some documentary that talks about medical misinformation or promotes a conspiracy theory (for example), exists on the platform; it doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s there to promote the idea; it’s simply there so that people who want to see the video can see it. I’ll watch content that was censored from YouTube and other big-tech social media platforms because I just want to see what was said. People have the right to that level of freedom; Odysee provides it because they should.

TrickDacy ,

That was never the purpose of the platform, otherwise it would have been marketed that way.

This implies that marketing is always or usually honest. I would argue that the exact reverse is true. In fact I was involved once in a series of marketing meetings where a marketing guru who had worked with some huge companies said flat out that “marketing is a lie” and he meant it literally. He explained that you’re selling an idea, and thus it wouldn’t be possible for it to be actually honest. Since you cannot buy a product that will solve all your problems, and yet that idea is implied in most ads. Happy smiling people somehow result from anything you can buy? Pfft.

Obviously that’s not going to be how you market a video platform exactly, but also they were never going with a tagline like “Because YouTube doesn’t allow bigotry!” whether it’s true or not. Facebook doesn’t market their service as a way to monetize your personal data despite the fact that it’s exactly what it is. Marketing is inherently misleading at best.

The platform allows more content than YouTube does

That’s just a different way of phrasing what was said and you seem to be disputing…

TrickDacy ,

Yikes. So if there weren’t laws, they would let worse stuff fly than endorsing genocide.

wewbull ,

There may be content generators on there you can label that way, but that doesn’t make the platform neo-nazi.

You take all of the stuff excluded from a big platform and put it on a small platform, and it’ll swamp every other topic out. If as a platform runner you feel that you should not censor others, then this can happen.

On the flip side, there’s nothing stopping other with less controversial opinions to post there as well. Nobody is going to be told their channel about supercars isnt racist enough, or their politics channel is too-left communist.

PerogiBoi , (edited )
@PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca avatar

Strongly disagree with you. If you have a bar that tolerates Nazis, you’ll find that bar becomes a Nazi bar over time. To commingle with Nazis is to accept them and their ideology.

I’d have a very hard time sending people to my videos if they sit next to a white replacement theory video.

Dariusmiles2123 ,

Well I never happened to see anything related to these topics on Odysee. I mostly used to follow tech stuff as my other hobbies like cars and basketball aren’t really present on the platform.

DreitonLullaby OP ,

If you have some favourite YouTube channels from the cars and basketball world, you should try contacting them personally and asking them to sync their channel with Odysee. Even if they choose not to; at least they’ve heard of it now, know at least some of their audience may want them to, and may consider it in the future 🙂.

It might not work asking in YouTube comments though, but it’s worth a try. The reason I say this is I’ve personally tried it multiple times over the past year, and strangely I’ve been noticing that YouTube appear to be switching between banning the word “Odysee” spelled specifically that way, and not banning it. I would comment something with the word Odysee, and no matter what happens, it would immediately disappear the moment I refresh the page – commenting anything else would work fine. A few months later, I tried it again and it worked. Some time after that, it stopped working again, and it was like that for quite a while. Fast forward a month or two, and I again checked it a few days ago, and it seems to be currently working again; and all my previous comments from the past about Odysee have reappeared in my comment history, when they previously would not appear in my comment history. So now could be a good time to comment. It wasn’t a glitch with my account, because I tried it with two separate ones.

Pika ,
@Pika@sh.itjust.works avatar

I can see my favorite channel now “I have zero interest in learning a new platform to have to figure out, I have a hard enough time with the mainstream sources” lmao

we went over this with Twitter, “I am not learning another social platform, when Twitter dies I will just not have any SM Presense except discord”

DreitonLullaby OP ,

What are you quoting? I didn’t say any of that.

Jordan117 ,

“Associate your personal brand with the fringe-right/antivax/Nazi YouTube! What could possibly go wrong?”

RmDebArc_5 ,
@RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works avatar

Far right content is more common than on YouTube because of the guidelines, but in my experience the largest parts are crypto, privacy and similar, also a decent amount is gaming (at least that’s what I upload)

DreitonLullaby OP ,

I’ve noticed that the Linux and open-source community is pretty big there, too; with a lot of them being part of the privacy community. I’m a part of this community on Odysee.

RmDebArc_5 ,
@RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works avatar

In my experience the Linux people are considerably more on peertube compared to its site, but this may just specific to the channels I watch

DreitonLullaby OP ,

I don’t use PeerTube much, but I plan to. This is probably why I didn’t know it was bigger with Linux users. Though it makes sense since I tend to see PeerTube mentioned and linked to far more often on the internet than Odysee.

fruitycoder ,

Its a mix of both in my exp. A deciding factor I think is money source for the creator. If it subscription (librepay, opencollective, patreon, etc) peertube is fine for them. If the primarily get paid more directly odessy is more enticing (because of its built in payment system).

TheGrandNagus , (edited )

Pretty much, unfortunately. And the people who run Odysee have repeatedly, time and time again, defended Nazis, white supremacists, far-right conspiracies, videos calling for genocide, etc.

Although in fairness, to my knowledge they haven’t done what Musk has done for example and said “free speech [Unless you disagree with dear leader, then it’s an account ban]!” Left-wing content is left alone (not that there’s much of it on Odysee)

PerogiBoi ,
@PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca avatar

Ya that’s exactly what I would like to NOT support.

todd_bonzalez ,

It isn’t exclusively a Neo-Nazi platform, but it is a free-speech absolutist platform, so they have absolutely no problem platforming Nazis.

It’s basically the 4chan of tube sites. All are welcome, but if you aren’t a fascist you probably won’t fit in.

PerogiBoi ,
@PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca avatar

If one Nazi is allowed into a bar, it’s a Nazi bar. I’ll continue to steer clear.

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

something something if there’s a nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 nazis

DreitonLullaby OP ,

I ain’t a fascist, Neo-Nazi, far-rightist, or any of the things Odysee is falsely marked by people as being, and I fit in just fine with my fellow Odysee users. Stop attacking one of the only companies who are truly trying to be the change they want to see in the world.

rozodru ,
@rozodru@lemmy.ca avatar

please. If you’re going to spew this droll bullshit at least be aware that receipts exist.

so lets dive in shall we?

Odysee was built on the back of LBRY another typical crypto scam bullshit that was broke. couldn’t even pay a 100k lawsuit against them when the SEC took them to court and they went bust. theguardian.com/…/lbry-closes-odysee-cryptocurren…

Also you say you’re not a nazi but hey your platform of choice sure does love em! theguardian.com/…/odysee-video-platform-nazi-cont…

They’re also anti physically and mentally disabled: dailycal.org/…/article_14cffebb-7495-5bea-93f9-ae… thy reuploaded 20,000 lecture videos that were deemed illegal by the US Department of Justice for violating the American Disabilities Act. So they don’t care about deaf people. cool.

They also don’t moderate shit: www.nytimes.com/…/big-tech-power-bitcoin.html They say they’ll allow anything other then porn and calls to violence and terrorism buuuuuut they allow porn, calls to violence, and terrorism. Hell just checking out the “lifestyle” section you’ll see that what they state they’ll moderate just isn’t true.

Banned users from other platforms are welcome with open arms on Odysee: nhpr.org/…/from-cooking-videos-to-qanon-n-h-based… you know, People banned for good reason.

If you allow a nazi to drink in your bar, even if it’s just one, you’re a nazi bar.

cause, you know, the Global Network on Extremism and Terrorism called it “The New Youtube for the Far-Right” gnet-research.org/…/odysee-the-new-youtube-for-th…

So you saying you’re not a facist, neo-nazi, or any of that is funny considering you SURE DO love hanging out with them.

“When someone tells you who they are, believe them.”

x00z ,
@x00z@lemmy.world avatar

To be honest, I’ve been using the website and I notice nothing of this. I can click a few links and get to said content, yes, but my feed and some of the categories I check are on par with YouTube. The only big difference I experience is that there’s much more content of smaller content creators.

parpol , (edited )

I sure haven’t seen any far right videos on there. My suggestions are always open source, linux, science, mental outlaw and Louis Rossman.

If there is far right content, it definitely is filtered away if you don’t watch similar content. I checked out the featured tab just now and didn’t find anything remotely political.

rozodru ,
@rozodru@lemmy.ca avatar

I have. Literally checked out the the site for the first time today because of this post. it’s literally on their front page. I don’t have an account there, private window, all that and I still got it either far right or racist or conspiracy bullshit. https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/04c628f7-f47d-45dc-904b-9e5cb35a1ece.png

Eezyville ,
@Eezyville@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’m there because some of my favorite streamers, like MentalOutlaw, are there. I know there will be people who hold an opinion or view that i disagree with but the same is true here. I’m not saying that there is hate speech here but i can’t expect every site i visit to be sunshines and rainbows just for me.

RememberTheApollo_ ,

Focused on “free speech”?

When I see that used multiple times by a platform operator it invariably means they’re right-wing wingnuts and/or the platform will devolve into right wing drivel while silencing dissent.

DreitonLullaby OP ,

Looks like you care zilch for free speech. If you and others with this opinion cared for free speech, you would promote your own alternative ideas on those platforms to even things out, instead of whining that there’s more opposing views to yours on the platform than not.

RememberTheApollo_ ,

Did you specifically skip past the past where I said they silence dissent?

But thanks for telling me what I believe.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Do they? Do you have evidence?

Because I’m interested in YT alternatives. I pay for Nebula, and I’m interested in other platforms as well, especially if they champion free speech (like, actual free speech, not whatever Musk means by “free speech”).

RememberTheApollo_ ,

Sure. Me. I’ve had comments deleted by admins when I criticized things like Russia feeding arms to Iran, operating misinformation campaigns, and generally trying to destabilize democracies.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

That’s lame. Was that before or after LBRY’s bankruptcy? I’m wondering if they’ve changed their admins.

RememberTheApollo_ ,

Dunno? It was about a half year ago.

lvxferre ,
@lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

Yup. And on descriptive grounds, the whole thing falls into a false dichotomy: treating free speech as an all-or-nothing matter, instead treating freedom of speech as a scale. And that giving someone complete freedom of speech always means restricting the freedom of speech of someone else.

(I typically exemplify this through a guy with a megaphone in an offline plaza. Telling him to drop off the megaphone reduces his ability to reach willing listeners, thus his freedom of speech; but if you leave him alone nobody else can be heard, so their freedom of speech is lowered.)

RememberTheApollo_ ,

Thank you, you put it better than I could. It’s not binary, it’s not all or nothing. You can have some freedom of speech and yet still not really have freedom of speech if you’re silenced by those who disagree.

lvxferre , (edited )
@lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

I think that Chandra has a point - media platforms do often devolve into ad companies, once they rely on advertisement money to survive. Because once someone is paying for a platform’s continued existence, they can dictate the terms, by simply threatening to stop paying for it.

And, granted, Odysee is a Nazi and crypto bro haven, but the point still stands - let us not be fools saying “Hitler ate bread so bread bad”, and ignore a message that also applies to environments that [correctly] tell the Nazi to fuck off.

shininghero ,
@shininghero@pawb.social avatar

Honestly, after all the shit YouTube is pulling with their ad systems, I wouldn’t mind those old tiny banner strip ads that used to occasionally pop up at the bottom of a video. Compared to the current standard of 3 minutes of unskippable ads interrupting every other video, those little banners are downright unobtrusive.

southsamurai ,
@southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

Hell, I never minded those in theory, it was only how obnoxious they were made that was the problem.

ahornsirup ,

That’s the issue with online advertising in a nutshell, isn’t it.

Feathercrown ,

Oh wow I forgot about those

x00z ,
@x00z@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t forget that ads used to be context aware instead of user aware. Which was perfect for privacy.

hal_5700X ,

Good, ads sucks.

todd_bonzalez ,

Finally: ad-free Nazi Propaganda.

BlackLaZoR ,
@BlackLaZoR@kbin.run avatar

And how will they support themselves? Another crypto scheme to battle out with SEC?

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