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uBlock Origin developer recommends switching to Firefox as Chrome flags the extension

~~www.neowin.net/news/…/~~

EDIT: Apologies. Updated with a link to what gorhill REALLY said:

Manifest v2 uBO will not be automatically replaced by Manifest v3 uBOL[ight]. uBOL is too different from uBO for it to silently replace uBO – you will have to explicitly make a choice as to which extension should replace uBO according to your own prerogatives.

Ultimately whether uBOL is an acceptable alternative to uBO is up to you, it’s not a choice that will be made for you.

**Will development of uBO continue?**Yes, there are other browsers which are not deprecating Manifest v2, e.g. Firefox.

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

They should recommend switching to Firefox instead. It’s clear that Google cannot be allowed to have a monopoly on browsers.

Cheradenine ,

The title is misleading, or false.

github.com/…/uBlock-Origin-works-best-on-Firefox

This document explains why uBO works best in Firefox.

jabathekek ,
@jabathekek@sopuli.xyz avatar

The title is misleading, or false.

https://sopuli.xyz/pictrs/image/b01329bc-dcf6-417e-9ad1-027d29bd079f.webp

JackFrostNCola ,

Welcome to 2024, where people only read the headline and the article is compiled by AI

jabathekek ,
@jabathekek@sopuli.xyz avatar

https://sopuli.xyz/pictrs/image/3fd28acc-a745-4ac8-a7ea-0bdfc274e034.webp

Teknikal ,
@Teknikal@eviltoast.org avatar

They should I’ve been using mull on mobile and Librewolf on Windows 10 since the first time Google announced these Anti Adblock intensions. Must be a few years now.

I did mess with Thorium a little when it claimed to be the fastest browser on earth but yeah apart from that I’ve been using hardened Firefox forks

partial_accumen ,

Even better is FF mobile (on Android) supports full list of addons, including uBlock Origin.

The using the web without uBlock Origin is cancer.

Miimikko ,

Though not container tabs (yet)?

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Unfortunately no.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Why not just recommend not using Chrome…?

warm ,

Avoid chromium browsers

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

…no?

moriquende ,

why not?

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Why?

moriquende ,

a good reason is that they are controlled by Google and without competition they can implement any anti-consumer features they want

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

No they’re not. Your don’t know what you’re talking about.

exu ,

None of the other Chromium based browsers have the engineering power to go their own way. They are dependent on what Google adds or removes in Chromium.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Wrong again.

tyler ,

github.com/…/uBlock-Origin-works-best-on-Firefox

helenslunch , (edited )
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

You know there are other ad blockers? Other browsers have them built into the browser itself so there’s no need for any extensions at all.

You realize Mozilla is selling your data, regardless of what extensions you have?

ReveredOxygen ,
@ReveredOxygen@sh.itjust.works avatar

Mozilla doesn’t sell your data if you use Librewolf (or if you just opt out)

helenslunch , (edited )
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Then use LibreWolf.

I just think it’s hilarious that people fall over themselves lambasting private Chromium alternatives while vehemently supporting a browser that is openly selling your data.

ReveredOxygen ,
@ReveredOxygen@sh.itjust.works avatar

I do?

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Was that a question? I dunno, do you?

Ibuthyr ,

uBO is the best one though. And Firefox is one of the major mainstream browsers. Is easier to get people to change to something well known rather than an obscure browser like librewolf.

AnAmericanPotato ,

Switching to another Chromium-based browser is a half-measure. Other Chromium-based browsers are on borrowed time.

As time goes on, it will become more difficult for them to maintain v2 support. Nobody has the resources to properly maintain a browser fork with more than minor modifications. And you can bet Google will go out of their way to make this difficult for everybody else.

I mean, sure, use what you’re comfortable with if you really can’t use a non-Chromium-based browser for some reason. But it means you’re likely going to have to jump ship again sooner or later. Why not just jump once, to something with better long-term prospects?

Then again, the folks behind Arc Browser have expressed interest in becoming engine-agnostic, so perhaps there will be a Chromium-free Arc version in the future. That would be very cool.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Other Chromium-based browsers are on borrowed time. As time goes on, it will become more difficult for them to maintain v2 support.

And Firefox won’t? I just explained why you don’t even need v2 support.

Nobody has the resources to properly maintain a browser fork with more than minor modifications.

Except…all of them?

And you can bet Google will go out of their way to make this difficult for everybody else.

If and when that becomes a problem, I can change later just like I can today… Today it is not a problem.

brucethemoose ,

They don’t need to maintain V2, they can bundle native adblockers like Cromite.

SteveFromMySpace ,

So what are the consequences of it being flagged? Does it change how it operates?

I don’t use chrome so it doesn’t directly impact me but I like being up-to-date on this stuff

Edit: actually read the article lol so this is related to compatibility with manifest v3

24_at_the_withers ,

“This warning isn’t just for uBlock Origin users. All extensions built on MV2 will display this warning on the Chrome extensions page if users have updated to Chrome version 127. Users of Chrome’s Beta, Dev, and Canary channels have been seeing these warnings since June 3, 2024.

Although users can temporarily re-enable their MV2 extensions, Google plans to disable these extensions gradually over the next few months. Eventually, users won’t be able to use MV2 extensions at all and will have to switch to MV3 alternatives suggested by the Chrome Web Store.”

www.msn.com/en-in/news/other/…/ar-AA1ofsSZ

Dju ,

Comment from gorhill (the developer of uBO and uBOL):

I didn’t recommend to switch to uBO Lite, the article made that up. I merely pointed out Google Chrome currently presents uBO Lite as an alternative (along with 3 other content blockers), explained what uBO Lite is, and concluded that it may or may not be considered an acceptable alternative, it’s for each person to decide.

www.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/…/lgdmthd/

Telorand ,

“uBlock Origin developer slams NeoWin, backpedals on recommendation!” —NeoWin editors, probably.

TeoTwawki ,
@TeoTwawki@lemmy.world avatar

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/080da8df-297f-4b96-bf0e-6b26be969367.gif

Sounds about right for any news outlet. “Slams” is so overused, and usually nowhere near an accurate euphamism.

TrickDacy ,
@TrickDacy@lemmy.world avatar

How did supposedly intellectual people ever conclude that we should use the word “slam” on the daily in headlines?

It’s straight out of Idiocracy and I will never get used to it.

SpaceCadet ,
@SpaceCadet@feddit.nl avatar

Ragebait gets more clicks.

TrickDacy ,
@TrickDacy@lemmy.world avatar

Well yes, obviously. My question is more about how they pretend it’s not just ragebait.

SpaceCadet ,
@SpaceCadet@feddit.nl avatar

Very simple, they learned not to care and the ones who did care got weeded out.

homesweethomeMrL ,

Intellectual? Shit, that doesn’t pay.

jabathekek ,
@jabathekek@sopuli.xyz avatar

Unless you’re lucky enough to get tenure, or stumble upon a fact of the universe that no one knew and just happens to be relevant to a modern economy.

TheGrandNagus ,

Because not only is it emotive (and they love emotive language to get you to click), it’s also just an objectively fantastic word for a headline in that it’s very concise and helps headlines fit on a single line.

Headline space is limited, so it’s easier to go with “X slams Y over Z” as opposed to “X criticises Y over Z” or “X denounces Y over Z” or “X castigates Y over Z”

It’s annoying how much it’s seen. But I get why they do it.

TrickDacy ,
@TrickDacy@lemmy.world avatar

it’s also just an objectively fantastic word

100% disagree

“X criticises Y over Z” or “X denounces Y over Z” or “X castigates Y over Z”

All of these are better. They’re honest about what’s happening and most people understand them. “Slams” implies some level of violence or at least force. Not only isn’t that dishonest most of the time, it could devalue the word to that point that it just simply has no meaning. I refuse to internalize it as best as I can, but if they had their way I would think “slam” means a brutal vitriolic takedown. Instead I know it normally means “mildly comments on” these days.

Fuck “slam” in headlines.

TheGrandNagus ,

You’re interpreting me saying “it’s objectively good in headlines because it’s extremely short and clear what it means” as “I love it when they say ‘slams’!”

I was very explicit in saying I don’t like it. It’s just objectively (not subjectively) a good word for headlines.

I am not making an emotional argument to you. I’m just answering the question of why they use it. If you didn’t actually want an answer to the question, you should’ve made it clearer it was a rhetorical question.

All of these are better

No they aren’t, for the very reason I already stated. They aren’t concise, which is paramount when it comes to crafting a headline.

Slam in headlines implies violence

Slam does not imply violence or force lol.

TrickDacy ,
@TrickDacy@lemmy.world avatar

If you didn’t actually want an answer to the question

I thought it’s clear when we ask a question that can’t actually be answered, because thousands of journalists are not one person we can ask, it’s not meant to be taken 100% literally.

Slam does not imply violence or force lol.

Of course it does. That’s 100% the only reason why they use it this way. Notice how that’s explicit in every definition but the last (the newer, still less-common usage I’m taking issue with):

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/0a0a9a94-70ed-40fb-81f9-52123ea95e11.png

I love when people want to quibble about word definitions, being super strict or loose whenever it suits them. In the real world, people use words loosely and over time the connotation changes. Hence definition 4’s existence here.

My main problem with using the word this way is that it’s rarely honest. I am annoyed by it because it sounds stupid, but like I said, more importantly:

if they had their way I would think “slam” means a brutal vitriolic takedown. Instead I know it normally means “mildly comments on” these days.

TheGrandNagus ,

I thought it’s clear when we ask a question that can’t actually be answered

Except… it can, because I did? We’re talking about a common industry practice here, not some enigmatic unsolvable mystery of the universe.

Of course it does.

No.

That’s 100% the only reason why they use it this way.

Oh is it? Do you have an assertion for that? You really think that when they say “X slams Y” they’re trying to make you think there’s a physical altercation going on?

Notice how that’s explicit in every definition but the last (the newer, still less-common usage I’m taking issue with):

You’ll notice I said in the context of headlines. Of course in other contexts slam can mean violence. But because we’re specifically talking about headlines here, not, say, discussing a WWE performance, it’s very obvious what “slams” means.

You’re really going into the weeds here. You asked why they use “slams” in headlines so often, and I gave you an answer. I don’t see why you feel the need to argue about it so much.

They use it because people understand what it means, it’s emotive, and it’s very concise compared to “criticises”, “chastises”, “denounces”, “castigates”, or “attacks”

Actually, based on your previous argument, you’d probably hate it if they said “attacks” too, as you could also interpret it as violence.

TrickDacy , (edited )
@TrickDacy@lemmy.world avatar

I stopped reading. Being an idiot on purpose isn’t as cool as you think it is

It’s just flat out ridiculous to say that the word slam has no connotations of forcefulness or violence. Even if I didn’t put the goddamned dictionary entry in your face to prove it. Bye.

TheGrandNagus ,

That’s not what I said, can you even read? Are you afflicted with cretinism, lad?

axum ,

The ‘block element’ picker is the big one that can not be implemented in the lite version.

Also included block lists can’t update unless the extension itself updates.

If you’re not stuck on chrome due to workplace policy or something, now is the time to switch to Firefox

Jagget ,

AdGuard browser extension is on manifest v3 and they have elements picker feature

ShepherdPie ,

Do you know if the lite version still blocks YouTube ads?

uzay ,

What the uBlock dev actually said:

github.com/…/About-Google-Chrome's-"This-extensio…

Manifest v2 uBO will not be automatically replaced by Manifest v3 uBOL[ight]. uBOL is too different from uBO for it to silently replace uBO – you will have to explicitly make a choice as to which extension should replace uBO according to your own prerogatives.

Ultimately whether uBOL is an acceptable alternative to uBO is up to you, it’s not a choice that will be made for you.

**Will development of uBO continue?**Yes, there are other browsers which are not deprecating Manifest v2, e.g. Firefox.

sturlabragason , (edited )

@TheImpressiveX

Maybe you should update the title, since it is factually incorrect.

TheImpressiveX OP ,
@TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml avatar

Thanks, fixed.

cyborganism ,

Well I don’t use Chrome, so…

JoMiran ,
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/282e7cf3-555e-401a-b24c-1cac4a80a333.jpeg

Bonesince1997 ,

I switched somewhere in the early 2000s, from Internet Explorer (Microsoft), and never looked back. (Using IE and now Edge as alternatives only, when I get the rare non-functional Firefox issue.) Never created an account either. I manually save and port my bookmarks!

fin ,

I see librewolf in the edge

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/d95e3732-b93f-47d4-92f2-550234ba23e0.jpeg

watson387 ,
@watson387@sopuli.xyz avatar

I only use Firefox and have for the past few years. Yesterday I tried to schedule an appointment to get my oil changed at the dealer but was unable because the process on the site just flat-out breaks on Firefox. This is not a complaint about Firefox, but the fact that Chrome is so popular that some websites only work with Chrome. I don’t have a Chromium-based browser installed (besides Edge, which I’ve never opened intentionally) and I despise being on the phone (which is why I was trying to schedule online in the first place), so I just didn’t make the appointment. I’ll go somewhere else to get my oil changed. Sorry for the rant but it was extremely frustrating.

cultsuperstar ,

Man, you never worked for a large corporation that that had internal web based apps that only work on Internet Explorer and refused to update it.

flop_leash_973 ,

I worked somewhere like that back in the 2008-2010 time frame. Thankfully, there was a extension, I believe the name was “IETab”, that would spawn a new tab in Trident (IE’s browser engine). So you could set certain sites to launch in one of those tabs and everything else would use standard Firefox. None of the people I supported were any the wiser. They just thought everything worked in Firefox.

Granted it was only that seamless because Windows already had that rendering engine built in. There are some extensions that do something similar with Chrome, but because of more modern security standards and whatnot you have to install extension helper applications which is gross.

Evotech ,

addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/…/chrome-mask

This addon will work if it’s not letting you

TrickDacy ,
@TrickDacy@lemmy.world avatar

Not necessarily. The problem is often that chrome JavaScript implementation can be ever so slightly different from FFs. Or just that the web devs wrote fragile code that is barely working on chrome and doesn’t work on other browsers, where they failed to test.

Evotech ,

Worth keeping around at least

victorz ,

Out of principle, I refuse to pretend I am not browsing with Firefox. 🦊❤️✊ Let website statistics show! And I will boycott sites that break due to not testing on multiple browsers!

teft ,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

I thought like that until youtube started intentionally slowing firefox identifying clients. As soon as I changed my user-agent to match chrome’s the speed was back to normal.

MigratingtoLemmy ,

Lol I blocked all but essential JS on YouTube with NoScript and never faced any problems at all. Videos load just fine without extra penalties.

dmtalon ,

That works until it’s your bank or credit card website. I cannot use Capital One’s (CC) “pay bill” any longer.

KillerWhale ,

Change banks

victorz ,

Luckily it hasn’t come to that for me yet. But I have reported issues with my bank’s website to them, and it had been fixed.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Weird.

dmtalon ,

Super annoying to have to fire up chrome (brave) to pay my CC bill

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Have you tried either an aagent switcher, or trying with extensions disabled? Just curious if either solves it.

dmtalon ,

I haven’t because I’m always trying to do something, then I do think to troubleshoot after

xavier666 ,

“Please use Google Chrome or Microsoft Edge to have a safe banking experience”

watson387 ,
@watson387@sopuli.xyz avatar

I’ll check it out. Thanks!

mox , (edited )

Chrome is so popular that some websites only work with Chrome.

It’s the Internet Explorer problem all over again, but this time from an even more invasive company.

The more people choosing non-Chomium browsers, the better. Keeping them popular enough that most sites have to support them is the only way to preserve what little agency people still have on the mainstream web.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Are you sure that it was Firefox itself? I find the few times something like that has come up, it was because of extensions (like adblocl, actually).

Delta’s website started blocking me due to using Dark Reader, apparently something about detecting that the contents of the page were being altered. And another site worked fine when I disabled unlock; I assume because it was blocking loading some .js that was actually being used for something other than just ads.

watson387 ,
@watson387@sopuli.xyz avatar

As far as I can tell. After disabling all extensions it still didn’t work.

Thann ,
@Thann@lemmy.ml avatar

o7

boaratio ,

memories of Internet Explorer doing the same thing intensifies

viking ,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

They did? Never used that garbage. Switched from Netscape Navigator to Opera to Firefox.

I used chrome on mobile since in the old days, Firefox mobile was unusable, but that’s been years ago.

Now for the 3 websites that stubbornly refuse to open in FF I use Edge on desktop, and kiwi on mobile.

DarkThoughts ,

I already switched to Firefox after Netscape.

bluemite ,

Skipped over the original Mozilla?

FeelThePower ,

ive gotten almost my entire friend group using either the same fork as me or the original firefox, they all used chrome before. all because google was dumb enough to overstep some peoples boundaries.

TriflingToad ,

if you don’t mind, which fork are you using? I got my sister to switch to firefox too.

sparkle ,

not the original commenter but FLOORP, BABYYYY!!! let’s go let’s get this floorp action come on floorp is the best reign supreme for a thousand years floorp woooooo

ripcord , (edited )
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

You’ve watched a lot of Rick and Morty haven’t you

sparkle ,

n… nuh uh

FeelThePower ,

I use waterfox. They are independent again since last year and their big thing besides privacy is that they carry over a lot of stuff from Firefox that was scrapped with the proton design.

anticurrent ,

The best action ublock origions devs can take is drop support for chromium based browsers and retract ublock lite from the chrome webstore.

I was hopefull for something more than just a wiki page on github. adding a banner to chrome’s add-on menu is way more powerful and far more reaching than what they did

AShadyRaven ,

i crave decisiveness like that. it would make me so happy if that sort of behavior became the norm.

too many corpos getting away with murder because they are more convenient than their competitors or because switching is too hard

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