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Varyk ,

This is the real next step, every other battery hasn’t made it to production, but if they’re sending out working EV batteries to EV manufacturers and have production line running then it’s finally real.

And as soon as Korea starts mass producing long range, quick charge solid state batteries, the factories in China are going to start mass-producing them as well.

Regardless of what it means politically, this is fantastic news, I didn’t know they were actually producing them beyond prototype stage into commercial production.

Heellll yeah.

another ,

Let me know when I can buy it.

refurbishedrefurbisher ,

Yeah. I’ve seen too many battery technologies die in a lab. I need to see it to believe it.

SeaJ ,

I posted about this a week ago. The battery pack will likely be around 150kWh (Nio has a solid state battery car that will be produced that can do 577 miles on a 150kWh battery). The 9 minute charge is from 8-80% (according to the marketing material I dug up) so it is 432 miles of charge in 9 minutes. Considering fast charge costs like $0.50/kWh currently, I’m guessing most people will not be charging up that entire portion unless they are planning on driving for a long fucking time…after they have already been driving for 9-10 hours.

But that charge rate would have to come from a charger that can output much higher than current ones. The highest output you are likely to find is 350kW which would take 18 minutes to charge that 108kWh. So while this battery can charge that fast, you are not likely to be able to find a charger with that high of output for a few years. Still great to be able to get a couple hundred miles of range in 9 minutes. Solid state batteries supposedly have a quicker ramp up period and can take the full output for a higher percentage of the battery.

fubarx ,

Every car show, they put out ‘concept cars’ that will never see the light of day.

‘New batteries’ are giving off the same vibe.

dharmacurious ,

How viable would something like this be for powering a home? Solar panels+this?

sushibowl ,

These are gonna be hella expensive for a while. If space is not a concern there’s much cheaper batteries out there. You don’t really need fast charging capabilities either.

tiredofsametab ,

All I see in the thumbnail is delicious, forbidden makizushi

AlexWIWA ,

If this works as advertised then it’ll revolutionize more than just cars. This is huge

jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

I get the cost, but it should be an option to upgrade any current EV to this new style battery.

AmbiguousProps , (edited )

It’s not needed in today’s EVs. Things should be upgradable yes, but it’s not necessary to replace current existing lithium batteries with this and doing so would probably do more harm than good. The ones we have already outlast the vehicle’s lifespan, and go further than a tank of gas.

We don’t even know how to recycle these new types, at least we’ve made some headway with the current gen packs.

jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

I’m thinking less in terms of lifespan and more in terms of range and charging time.

You shouldn’t have to upgrade your entire car to get a 600 mile range and 9 minute charge time if all that’s needed is better battery tech.

AmbiguousProps ,

Two questions if that’s the reasoning: how often are you driving 600 let alone 300 miles? How often are you out of range of charging, if at all? Charging at fast chargers already only takes 20 minutes, the same amount it takes to pee and get a drink.

Charging at home makes range not matter. It’s not gas, you’re just always charged up. You don’t want to sit at 100% anyway, because again, it’s not gas.

jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

The object is to get people to give up gas cars, you do that by providing a better range and a “refill” time roughly equivalent with sitting at a gas pump.

And, yeah, vast areas of the country do not yet have good access to charging stations:

axios.com/…/charging-deserts-evs-electric-cars

eenews.net/…/ev-charging-deserts-are-growing-in-r…

hbs.edu/…/the-state-of-ev-charging-in-america

asbestos ,
@asbestos@lemmy.world avatar

What a piece of shit title.

Nurse_Robot ,

Care to add some substance to your complaint? I thought it was informative and succinct

asbestos ,
@asbestos@lemmy.world avatar

It would be way more informative if we got battery cycles instead of years, density instead of “600 miles” and max charging power instead of minutes.
Off topic but I learned a new word, “succinct”, thanks!

OsrsNeedsF2P ,

I agree with your comment, but also the title makes sense to me as a non battery person

asbestos ,
@asbestos@lemmy.world avatar

Actually yeah, I came out unnecessarily harsh

ABCDE ,

Battery cycles doesn’t mean much to a layperson, years, or average years, does.

metaStatic ,

relevant xkcd

drmoose ,

Every day it feels like we’re getting closer to battery revolution. It really makes you wonder how different the world will be once we have these incredible batteries actually working at consumer level.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Every day it feels like we’re getting closer to battery revolution.

It’s been “every day” for as long as I can remember. Some new world-changing battery tech is right around the corner, but never manages to appear in consumer vehicles…

Dave ,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Battery tech has still come a long way since say 10 years ago, even though the “next gen” stuff hasn’t made it to scaled production. Looks like the is the beginning of scaled production, though.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Looks like this is the beginning of scaled production, though.

Production is a tiny link in the supply chain.

According to the article they’ve sent them to manufacturers for testing and that’s it.

Even if they were able to make them they’d still be impossibly expensive for decades, as the implications of such a technology would be gargantuan.

Dave ,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Nah, see the battery density graph here. Batteries have made great progress already, and it’s accelerating because suddenly there are trillions of dollars on the line for anyone that can make big strides in battery technology.

asdfasdfasdf ,

The difference is this is actually shipping to manufacturers.

Gradually_Adjusting ,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

Solid state batteries are already being produced at scale. It’s happening.

GetOffMyLan ,

Battery tech is constantly having huge breakthroughs. They are just come in small steps.

I mean a smart phone is literally a battery powered computer. It’s absolutely astounding compared to what we had 10/20 years ago.

HerrBeter ,

Only thing I’m upset with is that we get more battery capacity, but not longer battery time. I want to clock my phone down to save power, but that’s not allowed.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

They’re coming off a pilot production line and have shipped to vehicle manufacturers to see if they want to incorporate these into upcoming models.

Problem will be the price for the first run of this tech. They’re targeting “ultra premium” vehicles until they can scale and optimize manufacturing.

merari42 ,

The market will segment away from the current tech anyway. CATL Sodium-ion with comparatively low densities but also extremely low prices per kWh will likely win the low-end market and the market for stationary solutions. This is just due to the much lower resource costs. The high-end will be up for things like this battery by Samsung (or other comparable pilot products). The current technology will likely be in a weird middle spot.

Johnnyvibrant ,

Can you imagine not having the constant traffic noise played into your ears like tinnitus, being able to maybe actually breathe the oxygen nature provides. That’s probably gonna be what it will be like. But still, ev are just a stop gap, more privately owned cars isn’t the solution in my humble opinion, it is a start towards it.

BastingChemina ,

About noise, above 30km/h electric cars are as noisy as gas powered one.

It’s better but not the panacea either.

vividspecter ,

Solution: 30km/h speed limit in cities, which is a good idea anyway for safety reasons.

Corvid ,

It’s 30mph not kph. City streets should be limited to 20mph anyway.

superkret ,

The traffic noise will stay the same, from tires, honking and some fake engine noise they’ll mandate for pedestrian safety.
Do yourself a favor and spend some time in an area without cars. It’s amazing what it does to your mental health.

Imperor ,
@Imperor@lemmy.world avatar

Totally with you, but tire dust is one of the major pollution particles from cars, maybe even the worst AFAIK. That, sadly will not go away but it is still leagues more desireable to have everything on electric than fossil fuel. Can’t have perfect stop good enough.

Mihies ,

Yep, tire pollution is even worse with EVs due to their weight. But overall it’s still much better as you said.

vividspecter ,

It would help if cars went back to a reasonable size and not the absurdly large monstrosities that dominate the market today.

SlopppyEngineer ,

The tire noise EVs make is about the same as an ICE car at about 50 kph (30 mph) so it doesn’t make much difference on busy roads. It does make a huge difference in slow traffic.

porous_grey_matter ,

Building massive production capacity to replace all the cars just locks us in to having cars though

P1nkman ,

I waited 4 years for battery technology to get better before bring an EV last year. The “battery revolution”, with all the news being generated weekly for years, is still not here. I don’t give a fuck about theoretical battery range - give me the actual battery in a car, THEN it’s newsworthy. Now it’s all just theoretical, which we consumers can do fuck all about.

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