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NidoranDuran ,
@NidoranDuran@kbin.run avatar

Every company that has been trying to push their shiny, new AI feature (which definitely isn't part of a rush to try and capitalize on the prevalence of AI), my instant response is: "Yeah, no, I'm finding a way to turn this shit off."

Wirlocke ,

I wonder if we’ll start seeing these tech investor pump n’ dump patterns faster collectively, given how many has happened in such a short amount of time already.

Crypto, Internet of Things, Self Driving Cars, NFTs, now AI.

It feels like the futurism sheen has started to waver. When everything’s a major revolution inserted into every product, then isn’t, it gets exhausting.

TimeSquirrel ,
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Internet of Things

This is very much not a hype and is very widely used. It's not just smart bulbs and toasters. It's burglar/fire alarms, HVAC monitoring, commercial building automation, access control, traffic infrastructure (cameras, signal lights), ATMs, emergency alerting (like how a 911 center dispatches a fire station, there are systems that can be connected to a jurisdiction's network as a secondary path to traditional radio tones) and anything else not a computer or cell phone connected to the Internet. Now even some cars are part of the IoT realm. You are completely surrounded by IoT without even realizing it.

Wirlocke ,

Huh, didn’t know that! I mainly mentioned it for the fact that it was crammed into products that didn’t need it, like fridges and toasters where it’s usually seen as superfluous, much like AI.

DancingBear ,

I would beg to differ. I thoroughly enjoy downloading various toasting regimines. Everyone knows that a piece of white bread toasts different than a slice of whole wheat. Now add sourdough home slice into the mix. It can get overwhelming quite quickly.

Don’t even get me started on English muffins.

With the toaster app I can keep all of my toasting regimines in one place, without having to wonder whether it’s going to toast my pop tart as though it were a hot pocket.

barsoap ,

I mean give the thing an USB interface so I can use an app to set timing presets instead of whatever UX nightmare it’d otherwise be and I’m in, nowadays it’s probably cheaper to throw in a MOSFET and tiny chip than it is to use a bimetallic strip, much fewer and less fickle parts and when you already have the capability to be programmable, why not use it. Connecting it to an actual network? Get out of here.

DancingBear ,

Yea I’m being a little facetious I hope it is coming through lol

verity_kindle ,

Bagels are a whole different set of data than bread. New bread toasts much more slowly than old bread.

kinsnik ,

I think that the dot com bubble is the closest, honestly. There can be some kind of useful products (mostly dealing with how we interact with a system, not actually trying to use AI to magically solve a problem; it is shit at that), but the hype is way too large

affiliate ,

don’t forget Big Data

explodicle ,

TimeSquirrel made a good point about Internet of Things, but Crypto and Self Driving Cars are still booming too.

IMHO it’s a marketing problem. They’re major evolutions taking root over decades. I think AI will gradually become as useful as lasers.

Cornelius_Wangenheim ,

It’s more of a macroeconomic issue. There’s too much investor money chasing too few good investments. Until our laws stop favoring the investor class, we’re going to keep getting more and more of these bubbles, regardless of what they are.

Krauerking ,

Yeah it’s just investment profit chasing from larger and larger bank accounts.

I’m waiting for one of these bubble pops to do lasting damage but with the amount of protections for specifically them and that money that can’t be afforded to be “lost” means it’s just everyone else that has to eat dirt.

Kalysta ,

Adobe Acrobat has added AI to their program and I hate it so much. Every other time I try to load a PDF it crashes. Wish I could convince my boss to use a different PDF reader.

markon ,

Adobe sucks but they have sucked their whole existence. No AI needed.

Juice ,

Okay but have you considered shoving AI down the throats of consumers and forcing them to use it? I say invest in more gigantic server farms!

cheddar ,
@cheddar@programming.dev avatar

Unsurprisingly. I have use for LLMs and find them helpful, but even I don’t see why should we have the copilot button on new keyboards and mice, as well as on the LinkedIn’s post input form.

razorwiregoatlick ,
@razorwiregoatlick@lemmy.world avatar

There are certainly great uses for LLMs. 99% of the time it is useless though.

octopus_ink ,

And workers…

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/78f2ba67-c53a-48a1-a9c2-e4372fd01f38.jpeg

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/7e0cf968-c73c-41f2-9c4c-1cc7d7ea0302.jpeg

RootBeerGuy ,
@RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

She looks so done with it. It is amazing how tone deaf and incapabale of detecting emotions the higher ups must have been to OK that image. Not blaming any one lower to approve this, they are probably all fed up too and were happy to use this.

verity_kindle ,

Plus, it’s way too cold at her vast and empty warehouse hot desk, because she’s wearing at least two sweaters. Please let this lady have a cubicle of her own with a little space heater.

veeesix ,
@veeesix@lemmy.ca avatar

Is that a real copilot ad?

octopus_ink ,

Yep. Give me time and I’ll dig up the link.

octopus_ink , (edited )

This is the link I had I believe, but it’s not loading for me now. Either it will work for you, or they pulled it. www.instagram.com/microsoft365/p/C7j8ipnxIiI/?img… (comments were brutal IIRC)

Related article about it: futurism.com/microsoft-brags-ai-attend-three-meet…

veeesix ,
@veeesix@lemmy.ca avatar

The post is still there.

I just can’t see anyone contributing anything meaningful to a meeting when they’re split across three different conversations. If that’s the case for this hypothetical employee, she’s part of the problem.

octopus_ink ,

I just can’t see anyone contributing anything meaningful to a meeting when they’re split across three different conversations. If that’s the case for this hypothetical employee, she’s part of the problem.

I think the whole idea is that the AI handles two of those meetings for her (somehow) But yes, I try to put myself in the mind of someone who is enthused to finally be able to “attend” three meetings at once, and I just can’t. I have a good job that I mostly enjoy, and am usually enthusiastic about my work. No fucking way.

The only people who could want this are the 1% (and wanna-be 1%), and they want it so the rest of us can attend three meetings at once to increase their wealth even faster.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

It’s people who brag about how hard they work and how many hours they work when other people say they hate their jobs.

And those people make me laugh. Oh really? You worked 80 hours last week? I “worked” 40, which meant about 4 hours of actual work a day, clocked out at 5 on the dot every day and spent time with my family.

barsquid ,

I’m never contributing anything meaningful to the meetings I am continuously added to, so it would be nice to have an AI stand in. I could do the goddamn job I originally applied for instead of scrums, special project scrums, and meta scrums.

Grandwolf319 ,

I mean, that’s exactly the advantage of slack over meetings but that doesn’t tickle middle management fancy as much.

the_post_of_tom_joad ,

<—Not this cat. I become highly aroused when i hear salespeople gargling out their marketing bullshit

Yeah, baby, lie for me. Mmmm call a LLM “AI” again.

fuck that’s hot

DonPiano ,
@DonPiano@feddit.org avatar

Hey now, LLMs are AI!

… So is the code that makes those ghosts in s super mario approach you when you look away and cower when you look at them.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

At least Shy Guys are cute.

markon ,

AlphaProof isn’t an LLM but it just was a point from gold against some of the smartest people on earth. You think you’re smarter than the people building this stuff? That might be the dumbest shit about this. I swear the United States essentially really has become Ideocracy. From all angles. Capitalism sucks but AI isn’t the problem. Bunch of greedy apes is the fucking problem like it always has been. Lol

So you know if you have clean water and food though, you could be considered a very greedy ape. Why are you not fighting harder for clean water etc? What do you do to make the world better? (Shit probably same as me. Jack shit)

the_post_of_tom_joad , (edited )

Hmmm i have to reread my previous comment cuz people are getting the wrong idea (maybe)

Im talking about marketing doublespeak, and the fact a press release to the public at large will never admit “AI” has become bad in the public perception because of marketing. It is because of these marketing mba dipshits and clueless fad followers putting “AI” on stuff that is

Not AI

Or

Not useful to the consumer, and indeed has many anti-consumer facets, being used primarily as an excuse to fire workers, push software as a service, or mine consumer info.

The point i tried and failed to make was these MBA fucks (categorically not the engineers building ai or the llms we also call ai) are so insulated inside their corpo boardroom-speak they can’t see or admit it’s their fault, or ever hear how goddamn stupid they sound.

expatriado ,

I like my AI compartmentalized, I got a bookmark for chatGPT for when i want to ask a question, and then close it. I don’t need a different flavor of the same thing everywhere.

altima_neo ,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

I don’t know anyone who is actively looking for products that have “AI”.

It’s like companies drank their own Kool aid and think because they want AI, so do the consumers. I have no need for AI. My parents don’t even understand what it is. I can’t imagine Gen Z gives a hoot.

Diplomjodler3 ,

AI in consumer devices at this point stands for data harvesting, wonky functionality and questionable usefulness. No wonder nobody wants that crap.

OfficerBribe ,

They just don’t get it. Once everyone will use AI toilet and AI toothbrush they will sing a different tune.

metaStatic ,

I love skibidAI toilet

anamethatisnt ,

For some reason I imagine a toilet that automates a stool test and blood test and gives you a health report every month.

ryper ,

A stool test sure, but I’m not going to trust a toilet to use a sterile needle to draw blood.

barsquid ,

If the toilet is receiving a blood sample I have bad news for your monthly health report.

lowleveldata ,

I definitely need a toilet that remember and analyze my shit. Yes.

kinsnik ,

They will try to sell it to you as a way to detect any possible health issues early. But it will just be used to analyze you food patterns to shove mcdonalds ads

lowleveldata ,

too bad I already eat mcdonalds all days

OfficerBribe ,

Not sure what happened to it, but this was a thing already in 2005.

MyOpinion ,

AI is garbage.

Persen ,

AI is just an excuse to lay off your employees for an objectively less reliable computer program, which somehow statistically beats us in logic.

markon , (edited )

I’ve used LLMs a lot over the post couple years. Pro tip. Use it a lot and learn the models. Then they look much more intelligent as you the user becomes better. Obviously if you prompt “Write me a shell script to calculate the meaning of life, make my coffee, and scratch my nuts before 9AM” it will be a grave disappointment.

If you first design a ball fondling/scratching robot, use multiple instances of LLMs to help you plan it out, etc. then you may be impressed.

I think one of the biggest problems is that most people interacting with llms forget they are running on computers and that they are digital and not like us. You can’t make assumptions like you can with humans. Usually even when you do that with us you just get stuff you didn’t want because you weren’t clear enough. We are horrible at instructions and this is something I hope AI will help us learn how to do better. Because ultimately bad instructions or incomplete information doesn’t lead to being able to determine anything real. Computers are logic machines. If you tell a computer to go ride a bike at best it’ll go out and do all the work to embody itself in a robot and buy a bike and ride it. Wait, you don’t even know it did it though because you never specified for it to record the ride…

A very few of us are pretty good at giving computers clear instructions some of the time. Also though, I have found just forcing models to reason in context is powerful. You have to know to tell it to “use a drill down tree style approach to problem solving. Use reflection and discussion to explore and find the optimal solution to reasoning through the problem.” Might still give you bad results. That is why you have to experiment. It is a lot of fun if you really just let your thoughts run wild. It takes a lot of creative thinking right now to really get the most out of these models. They should all be 110% open source and free for all. BTW Gemini 1.5 and Claude and Llama 3.1 are all great, nd Llama you can run locally or on a rented GPU VM. OpenAI I’m on the fence about but given who all is involved over there I wouldn’t say I would trust them. Especially since they want to do a regulatory capture.

markon ,

Asking the chat models to have self-disccusion and use/simulate metacognition really seems to help. Play around with it. Often times I am deep in a chat and I learn from its mistakes, it kinda learns from my mistakes and feedback. It is all about working with and not against. Because at this time LLMs are just feed forward neural networks trained on supercomputer clusters. We really don’t even know what they are capable of fully because it is so hard to quantify, especially when you don’t really know what exactly has been learned.

Q-learning in language is also an interesting methodology I’ve been playing with. With an imagine generator for example though, you can just add (Q-learning quality) and you may get more interesting and quality results. Which itself is very interesting to me.

rustyfish ,
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

I barely trust organics. Some CEO being rock hard about his newest repertoire of buzzword doesn’t help.

NABDad ,

Think of the savings if you replace the CEO with an AI!

psmgx ,

Cuz everyone knows it’s BS, or mostly BS with extra data mining

Lost_My_Mind ,

Cue Nicholas Cage face

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