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whodatdair , (edited )

Hilarious. Logitech’s software has always been an afterthought and now they want me to pay for it? Goooo fuck yourselves. I had to sell a perfectly good keyboard and mouse because their stupid g-hub is harder to navigate than a g-spot.

It kept doing updates and every time it did, it would clobber all my macros and bindings and basically factory reset. I had a txt document on my desktop with all my configs so I could set them back up whenever it decided the configuration gods required a sacrifice.

rtxn , (edited )

G-hub also doesn’t work on Linux, which is actually a massive advantage. I use Solaar with a couple of shell scripts and it’s amazing. (edit) Actually it’s a Python app, so it might even work on Windows.

I’ve also had to blacklist the HID++ kernel module because high-res scrolling on a loose, mushy ratcheting wheel is awful.

Lost_My_Mind ,

…I feel sorry for your girlfriend/wife.

victorz ,

Go on, tell us how you work the spot, G Man.

Naich ,
@Naich@lemmings.world avatar

You basically have to go behind the clitoris and stimulate it from the back while working it from the front with your tongue.

forgotaboutlaye ,

Damn you got a lucky mouse

saddlebag ,

Almost spat out my food, thanks

whostosay ,

Our boys dick looks like the lower case letter ‘u’ well done

Lost_My_Mind ,

For hours.

whodatdair ,

My girlfriend doesn’t have one, teehee 🤭

stoy ,

I started boycotting them when they started forcing a program to be downloaded, installed and run automatically on any pc running Windows 10 just by plugging a Logitech mouse/keyboard in to the USB port.

It installes through Windows Update, and is called Logitech Download Helper.

I am fine with Windows Update supplying and installing drivers, but using it to deploy program is scummy…

So now, I am on Xtrfy mice and Ducky keyboards.

Lippy ,
@Lippy@fedia.io avatar

G Hub doesn't work with my old trusty G11 keyboard either. Since it's both required for Logitech's newer peripherals and also requires uninstalling the old Logitech Gaming Software which would reduce the functionality of my keyboard, it effectively banishes any future consideration for Logitech's peripherals.

It's basically moot since I run Linux now, but I don't fancy the quality of Logitech's products either these days. It's a shame since their stuff used to be really solid. My X540 speakers are as old as my keyboard (16 years) and also refuse to die.

Boozilla ,
@Boozilla@lemmy.world avatar

!fucksubscriptions

TheGrandNagus ,

Oh man I was hoping this would be a sub for alternatives to subscriptions, rather than just pointing out that everything is going to a subscription model.

Boozilla ,
@Boozilla@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not against the rules of that community to post alternatives. I suspect the community members would love that.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Alternative to subscription based mouse…any other fucking mouse. Hell, I’d rather use that piece of crap they sell at walgreens for $15.99. It looks like crap, has only 2 buttons, is wired, but it doesn’t have a damn subscription.

shyguyblue ,

My Halo account name is [email protected]

Fuck you Microsoft, fuck you Logitech, if the Internet goes down, I’m fucked…

ArbiterXero ,

I always give “[email protected]”

That way datasets are harder to correlate and I know who leaked 😝

H4mi ,

That’s what I’ve been doing since 2002. If I get spam, I set up a forward to their customer service.

eronth ,

Oh neat, I think I might subscribe to that community.

Wait a goddamned minute

pineapple_pizza ,

Lol I actually had to check to make sure this wasn’t published on April 1st. Missed joke opportunity, this is hilarious

VeganCheesecake ,
@VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Uh, what would I be paying for, exactly? I don’t really see what Software support a mouse really needs, as long as it doesn’t ship buggy. Also, I’ve been using my (Logitech, funnily) mouse for 6 years now, and if you ignore the few scratches it has gathered, it still works pretty much perfectly.

Also, if their solution for a longer lasting mouse really is repairability, isn’t that just their way of saying “we designed our other products to be thrown away”?

douglasg14b , (edited )
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

You would be paying for the privilege of using a Logitech mouse of course!

The company has to grow indefinitely and you my friendly consumer are the back on which they will walk to do so.

Don’t worry I’m sure they’ll never acquire smaller and successful manufacturers that risk undermining their profit structures.

Zier ,
@Zier@fedia.io avatar

When companies that sell physical products like peripherals (as an example) try to invoke the subscription model, it just says that they are failing and desperate for profits.
Which means that other products are available and better.

Sabin10 ,

Except their mice are built better and last longer than any of the popular gaming brands. I’ve owned 4 logitech nice in my life and that would be every mouse I’ve owned since 1995 and only one of those actually died. People complain about their razer mice lasting 3 years and then go out and buy another one as if that’s normal meanwhile you can easily get 5+ years out of a logitech mouse.

conciselyverbose ,

5 years isn’t a long lifespan.

ramchak , (edited )

I have owned 3 G203 mice (never again) and they have all failed the same way, with the left mouse button switch failing and causing double clicks/inability to select anything without resetting.

Quality must depend on which model you get.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

I’m kind of surprised they haven’t decided to do what MS does with controller, or smart watch manufacturers do with watch bands. Create unique collectible colors, have a design lab, etc. Let people treat mice like sunglasses. A fashion accessory that you occasionally change or augment for aesthetic reasons.

I don’t need a new mouse ever year, but I might be down to change it’s shell.

witx ,

Please don’t. we already produce and waste a lot of plastic as it is

lobut ,

I was intrigued by the idea, I was like, “oooh a modular mouse where it could be a trackball or vertical mouse or multi-sensor components with obvious replacement parts that they’d sell to make it easy on repair”!

Then I saw software and I’m like wtf? do I look like I need something else to Crowdstrike me? “Can’t work today boss, credit card didn’t update my mouse subscription hang on…”

TootSweet , (edited )

How exactly are software updates supposed to extend the life of a mouse?

I get that theoretically with a subscription, they could offer to replace your mouse if the hardware broke. (Sortof like an extended warranty that you reup every month or year or whatever. Not that that isn’t a scam, but I can at least see how it could maybe look good on paper to certain people.) But that has nothing to do with software.

If the software breaks due to a software problem (and, be honest, how many people in the history of the world have ever had a mouse break due to a software problem?), I’d think it would be unlikely you could get an update to the mouse. And if the hardware breaks, the chance that it can be fixed (or even worked around) with a software update seems negligible.

Are they thinking with software updates they’ll make it continue to support newer wireless communication protocols that don’t exist yet or some BS like that? Not that that makes sense either.

Am I missing something or is the BS in this idea more evident than in most?

hushable ,

That’s exactly the point I don’t get. Every single mouse I owned, I’ve replaced it because something physically broke. My previous mouse (Logi btw) was replaced because the scroll wheel and middle click stopped working, no software or firmware update would amend that!

Delta_V ,

some of their higher end mice let you call specific functions of popular productivity software, like using the scroll wheel to change the brush size in Photoshop for example

Kyrgizion ,

(and, be honest, how many people in the history of the world have ever had a mouse break due to a software problem?)

Many moons ago, in the dark ages of Windows Vista, I had a laptop where the trackpad stopped working permanently after a specific Windows Update.

Wistful ,
@Wistful@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I really hope there aren’t people stupid enough to buy or even want that.

Microplasticbrain ,

Haha more like a never mouse

nick ,

I’ll pass

WheelcharArtist ,

my forever mouse is a 15+ years old mx518

Lemminary ,

I already pay a subscription when I have to keep buying the hardware designed to break. I don’t think I’ve ever had a middle mouse button working for long.

It’s so much bullshit and it’s getting shittier.

Lost_My_Mind ,

It’s so much bullshit and it’s getting shittier.

Unclear if you’re talking about technology, or life.

Lemminary ,

Hmm… yes.

victorz ,

I don’t understand what you all are doing with your mice. I’ve had mine for years, and the one before it, years. I only changed because I wanted to upgrade, too.

Meanwhile I’m always on Discord with my buddy complaining that his mouse broke, again. This mf fingers must weigh a fk ton bruh.

SkaveRat ,

lots of people smack their mice on the table out of rage.

Do that a lot, and they will not last very long

Lemminary ,

I wish it were my unmanageable rage, but it’s usually a regular old click that does them in. Maybe I have superhuman strength in my index finger and haven’t noticed it.

Lemminary ,

I just like to middle-click things. I opened a Logitech mouse once and found out that the bridge that presses the button internally is way thinner than a toothpick and my frail little fingers are stronger than it for inexplicable reasons. :(

apt_install_coffee ,

If it’s a G502/702, they’ve got a very fucky scroll wheel & middle click; it’s actually a lemon, but since nothing else works with the wireless pads they’re the only options.

Lippy ,
@Lippy@fedia.io avatar

I can vouch for that. For me it's the scroll wheel.

I've been through a Logitech G703 and a Corsair Sabre Pro and both failed the same way. I've also seen it happen to a Razer Deathadder Essential. The shitty mechanical encoder goes janky after a few months and basically makes scrolling unusable, as scrolling the mouse wheel either doesn't get detected or is interpreted as going the opposite direction. Yeah they can be 'fixed' by either blasting air into it which sometimes works for a bit or worst case, soldering on a replacement encoder, but even that's just a temporary fix as it's only a matter of time before that fails too. I can't deal with unreliability like that.

Older mice more commonly used to use optical encoders which tend to last much longer but finding a new mouse with an optical encoder isn't as easy. I finally broke down and got a Zowie the other day which should hold up a bit better in theory and only time will tell. I feel silly spending so much on a mouse, but I just want one that works.

Toribor ,
@Toribor@corndog.social avatar

Side question since this concept is obviously rent seeking… Why is there not a market for premium custom mice like there are for keyboards?

All the mice over the ~$80 range seem to only be gamer mice or focus on adding more and more buttons. Why aren’t there options that are customizable or more premium?

I get that no one wants a solid machined aluminum mouse but surely there is something more premium than adding more buttons.

Magister ,
@Magister@lemmy.world avatar

It’s trackball that are premium in fact

Cuttlefish1111 ,

This concept should be expanded to every industry so the idea itself is abandoned and the thought of subscription shows its poor quality or subscription based

fhqwgads , (edited )

Custom keyboards took off because of mechanical switches. Back in the day people wanted mechanical switches because they last longer than membrane ones, and so you wound up with a bunch of companies producing relatively easy to manufacture mechanical switches. Those switches all felt and sounded a little different so you got people who wanted a specific feel and sound and it grew from there.

There hasn’t really been the same push with mice because even really cheap ones work really well. Optical sensors are way harder to produce than key switches, and while there are a few different ones on the market other than dpi and polling rate they kind of all act the same - it kind of either tracks right or it doesn’t. There’s no differentiation unlike switches that are “tactile” or “linear” or “scratchy”. And because of size restrictions you can’t really have the same kind of switches as keyboards use for the buttons. And unlike the really niche keyboard people who do their own PCB and machine their own case, making a good mouse on your own from scratch is way more difficult. They’re weird shaped and it’s much more difficult to change things like optical tracking algorithms compared to macros on a 40% keyboard. You can do a run of 100 super niche keyboards and make it work, but just the injection molds for one mouse mean you need to make 10000, which stops it being a project and makes it a business.

There are premium mice manufacturers, but in general they either are going super light, super ergonomic, or super functional - and honestly they have a hard time competing with a company like Logitech that can produce really similar features for a fraction of the cost and have a decent reputation to boot.

Shawdow194 ,
@Shawdow194@kbin.run avatar

Wait is this an onion?

Arent mouse already "forever" mice. Like what goes wrong in them? I've never had a wired laser mouse fail, and the batteries ones I usually lose the adapter or let it corrode before the mouse actually fails

And if anything I only buy a new mouse for aesthetics. Or when their old mouse is grody

tmat256 ,

I’ve had buttons stop working. The mechanism inside that registers the click is a mechanical switch and they eventually die

takeda ,

I had the wheel button stop working on it once, it was still usable, just annoying, when I needed to do a middle click.

Also that happened after a decade of use.

cmnybo ,

The switches eventually fail, but most mice use the same Omron switches and they are easy enough to replace if you know how to solder. The teflon skates wear out too, but you can find replacement for most name brand mice online.

nous ,

By “forever” they mean you will be paying them forever for the privilege of using the mouse. Unless you break it that is, or they feel like they no longer want to support it at which point it will likely become a forever brick.

Blue_Morpho ,

Or when their old mouse is grody

That’s planned obsolescence. They cover the mouse in soft touch plastic that turns to glue in 5 years. It ensures that you buy a new mouse every 5 years while claiming they are reliable.

I read that acetone transforms the gluely soft touch coating to hard plastic. I did it to my old Logitech when it got grody and it is still not grody after 20 years.

lemann ,

They cover the mouse in soft touch plastic that turns to glue in 5 years

This is my pet peeve of modern electronics in general. Even my $3000 work-supplied Dell laptop is coated in this soft touch material that will inevitably turn into a gooey mess after a few years 🤦‍♂️

Also own a second-hand tablet computer that feels disgusting and sticky to hold because the soft touch coating has degraded so badly on it 😭

Sabin10 ,

Ask a razer user if their mouse/keyboard last forever.

lemmylommy ,

Yes, mice are forever mice. That’s the problem, it’s just a one time sell.

dinckelman ,

A brand, that hasn’t sold anything with good software/firmware, is trying to make a software-focused product. Peak comedy

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