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gamermanh ,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I’ve been pretty happy with my swap to Proton lately, but this makes me nervous.

Not that I hate AI or crypto, but their mail app, the thing they’re known for, is not feature complete on all platforms. I still cannot set or edit filters on mobile, for example.

If your flagship app is missing basic features that users have reported for months but you just keep rolling out new shit, it starts to feel like too much like Google, yakno?

todd_bonzalez ,

I expected more from them, even more so when they turned into a non profit.

Two points to make:

  1. What did they do wrong here?
  2. Isn’t it better for these products to be provided by a nonprofit?
Zerfallen ,

I feel like some people just hear “crypto” or “ai” and start screeching and clawing at the air.

Not every feature needs to be for you specifically, these features are optional and don’t compromise or even impact their other products. They seem to be on-brand in being more privacy-focused alternatives to some of the existing market options while remaining accessible, and keeps Proton in the game depending on how the landscape develops.

I don’t use Proton (yet) but I generally like what they’re doing and hope they succeed, and I don’t see any of these developments as negatives, just more competition.

FleetingTit ,

Crypto and AI, they went all out…

devfuuu ,

Waiting for sweet nfts to drop.

bruhduh , (edited )
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

www.youtube.com/watch?v=scTjHvot3UoTo those who downvote, haven’t you learned that centralisation of services always ends horribly, remember Reddit, twitter, Google, remember why do we go to lemmy, why do we use Linux and self host services, because we wanted decentralised system that won’t enshitify as a whole, even if something goes bad, like meta’s threads, you can isolate it, yes? But if everything was centralised like in Facebook and others, could you do the same thing? Of course not, never forget folks, centralisation never goes well in the long run, but in short term it’s gonna be great if course

narc0tic_bird ,

They should stop adding more and more services and instead focus on making existing services better or - in some cases - feature complete first.

kibiz0r ,

Tech companies are committed to turning satire into reality.

FlorianSimon ,

Time to bail. Not giving these guys a cent more.

Fizz ,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

We asked for Linux native apps and collabrative office suites not this garbage.

JCreazy ,

They need Linux developers to do that

Acters ,

Linux needs linux developers

magic_lobster_party ,

Linux has developers. It just needs more desktop users.

Squizzy ,

Im trying!

Fizz ,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

OK get Linux developers then. we pay for the Software and they asked us what we want them to work on. This is one of the rare cases where Linux users can actually feel entitled to developer attention.

FutileRecipe ,

Except it’s cheaper to pay their existing non-Linux developers to do something than hire a team of new developers for Linux.

Railcar8095 ,

They need a simple GUI on top of rclone. The madlads of rclone fucking reversed engineered the drive APIs in record time. Now imagine if they were to tosh some money into that project, and then could focus only in GUI.

tal , (edited )
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

The wallet is not, I think, surprising. Proton Mail is billed as a trusted holder of email that you want private. In the US, there are specifically some people who want an out-of-country provider of email service. A lot of use of cryptocurrency is from people who want private financial transactions. I will bet that there is overlap in userbase.

I also don’t know how they’re billing their LLM service, but a thing that some people don’t like about LLM services – and I am among those – is that what you write can be data-mined. If they’re selling this as a service where they charge a fee not to do that, that might make a lot of sense in terms of their privacy company reputation.

I use Kagi as my search engine. They do the “we don’t log or mine your data, but rather charge a subscription fee” thing too – though unlike Proton, they’re not overseas for US users – so they’re gonna be selling to a market of people who are willing to pay something for privacy. And they also just started providing LLM service. I bet that they have the same rationale.

You can get your own hardware and run latent diffusion software locally. I have. But that’s expensive.

It saves a lot of money, if you only need the hardware computing N% of the time, to buy the hardware and share it with other people, both in compute capacity and cost. Then you only need to pay N% plus a bit for the service provider to make a return.

I suspect that a lot of companies have done the math, figured out that the economics work, and are aiming for that market – people who want to use latent diffusion software, want privacy for use, but don’t need them hot 100% of the time, and don’t want to pay to get their own hardware at home.

It used to be common, when all computers were more expensive, for all computing access to be sold like this, on time-sharing systems. Nobody (or very few people!) could afford a computer of their own, but you could afford to buy some compute time on one. Some of this is probably temporary, because right now, Nvidia has a significant lead and can (and does) charge a fat premium; I assume that if AMD or someone else can get parity for compute acceleration, then that’ll force Nvidia’s pricing down. But it may be that there’s a whole new world of interesting applications that can only be done with very large models that require very large hardware, in which case we might see, on an ongoing basis and for parallel compute applications, a world that looks more like the 1960s for computers, where there are a limited number of computers in datacenters, and instead of owning your own, you buy slices of time on them.

EDIT: Yeah, I haven’t looked at Proton recently, but look at their main page. They’re selling a whole suite of online services, and the whole thing that they’re billing themselves as on the thing is providing privacy, and they specifically emphasize that they’re in Switzerland. The slogan that they’re using is “Proton: Privacy by default”. My guess is that basically, their aim is to build a reputation of someone who is neither data-mining people’s data nor is readily-accessible to law enforcement (well, if you’re in the US…things might be different if you’re Swiss!), and then to sell services with that aspect as a selling point.

Veedem ,
@Veedem@lemmy.world avatar

All of this convinced me to give up on moving all my accounts to their service and just use the iCloud service I already pay for. Trying to get away from GMail and Google’s privacy policies, but it felt like these moves indicated greater change coming to a service I was sincerely optimistic about prior.

clothes ,

I won’t be using these features, but I’m not sure there’s cause for concern. The implementation seems very sensible and legitimately privacy-centric. The LLM runs locally and is meant as an very basic email proofreader. The crypto wallet is a likely an extension of the password management tech they’ve already developed, with transaction features that some people care about.

I can see why some people want these features, and I’m glad there are new alternatives.

mriormro ,
@mriormro@lemmy.world avatar

Coming from someone who hasn’t gotten into the weeds with this company, my understanding was that they did email. I was considering migrating over to them in order to de-google completely.

This move, specifically, has caused me to reconsider and scrap those plans. Not every tech company needs to peddle ai and crypto bullshit.

db2 ,

Maybe my flashlight app can do it next.

lowleveldata ,

It ain’t a real flashlight app if it can’t automatically flash to vibe with any songs heard from the background

Telorand ,

I expected more from them, even more so when they turned into a non profit.

I have no interest in it, but Bitcoin wallets aren’t necessarily private, and they say the LLM is also private. Given that pretty much everything is trying to mine as much data as possible from your digital interactions, this seems on brand for them.

I still have no interest in Proton Unlimited, but maybe enough of their customers want these features (or they think they will).

ChilledPeppers OP ,

Yeah, but their llm doesn’t even disclose where it gathered its training data, very sus.

hendrik ,

Techradar says it's based on the Mistral 7B large language model. But they should definitely disclose that kind of information. It's important to know how a tool works and what kind of mistakes, biases etc are to be expected when using it for important communication.

L_Acacia ,

They is no chance they are the one training it. It costs hundreds of millions to get a descent model. Seems like they will be using mistral, who have scrapped pretty much 100% of the web to use as training data.

Petter1 ,

It has to be very good with porn stuff, in that case 🤔

0laura ,
@0laura@lemmy.world avatar

yes, you can download SD1.5 models that will generate all kinds of degenerate images for you and deneutered LLMs that will write the most disgusting smut you’ve ever seen. all of it locally, free and 100% private.

Petter1 ,

Nice 🧐 got to do some research

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