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MisterEspinacas ,

I mean, law enforcement occasionally uses polygraph tests in their investigations even though that type of “evidence” isn’t admissible in court and, to be honest, what kind of scientific credibility does a piece of technology like a polygraph even have? They’ll use whatever they can get their hands on even if it’s questionable. Some police forces probably even have a psychic consultant or something. It scares me.

Soggy ,

They’ll use it especially if it’s questionable, like handwriting analysis, because the goal is arrests not correct arrests. Trumped up, flimsy, circumstantial “evidence” is the best kind when you don’t actually want to do your job.

TrueStoryBob ,

NOPD is a joke to begin with.

MiddleWeigh ,
@MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world avatar

The current state of policing doesn’t deserve to have access to this kinda shit. Hopefully it never will tbh.

Blackmist ,

I’m going to take a wild stab in the dark that all the false positives were black men.

For the same reason that my Echo dot (aka Spotify Bitch) will ignore my wife but cheerfully respond to my mumbled requests from three rooms away. If you make all this shit in Silicon Valley, it will work best for people of a similar demographic to those that work there.

soviettaters ,

The white liberals building this technology say they’re all progressive yet only surround themselves with people like them and only build products for people like them. A lack of diversity in tech like this is a lack of good testing.

Smoogs ,

Also AI is taught by its creator. Tech has some of it’s most well hidden, bigotted, mid-level white people refusing to critically question their own bias and privilege. There’s a shit tone of that fragile masculinity in the tech industry just hard coding it into it.

There was a guy fired from google for writing a manifesto about how women aren’t ‘wired’ for tech. And that’s just the one that waved his crazy flag out in the open so no one in upper management could easily keep on ignoring it.

BrotherCod ,

While I agree with you 100% that programming can be affected by the programmers biases, there's a much simpler problem that face recognition was having a hard time overcoming. At least when it was a main topic about a decade ago, sensors were having a lot of problems with the low contrast of some black people's faces. Anyone who's had a black friend and was a shutter bug will know what kind of problems you can run into when trying to get a proper exposure and not make a black person disappear completely from a photograph. It was just an inherent limitation of the technology they were using. The last statistics I read was something like between 20 to 30% positive matches, which we know damn well is too low for it to be a workable technology. The success rate on Caucasian and lighter skin tones weren't even that great. There was still something like a 60% false positive match rate. The software may have gotten better over the past decade but we all know that whether it did or not, they're still going to use it.

Smoogs ,

This isn’t image manipulation of the 1990s. You assume it’s set on isolated pixels with massive contrast. It’s calculated by neighbor to achieve the pattern.

This is just a result of inconsideration driving laziness that they’d crop to a median level of the graphic to cater to the skin with less reflection and reads light easier and then releasing it as ‘done’. Software is much more sophisticated than you’re giving credit. But It’s only being used to that potential in such industry as film.

OhNoMoreLemmy ,

They’re more libertarian than liberal. Anti worker rights, anti consumer rights, and anti taxation.

The only government spending they’re in favour of is government spending and subsidies on tech e.g. Tesla, space X, and the entire military complex.

RaoulDook ,

You haven’t read much about Libertarian policy I see. They are very pro-rights, in fact that is the core of the party platform. Individual liberty is their chief concern, and I applaud their efforts in fighting for our rights and freedom.

Blackmist ,

Oh they are progressive. They’ll support Black Lives Matter and sympathise with Iranian women.

But there’s only so much anybody can do when it’s the entire US (and further afield) social structure at fault. It’s the same where I am. I work on a project with 3 other white guys. If I put a job advert up for another programmer, who will apply? 3-4 more white guys.

I agree that it’s a lack of good testing. Especially when you consider that it’ll be mostly used to pick black guys out of a database. And especially so in New Orleans.

Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever ,

Pretty much any tech company that is large enough to have 5 or 6 people on a team should be looking toward paid internships. It is a way to get labor for dirt cheap, help students get their five years of work experience for an entry level position, and do extended interviews for new hires.

And the key with that is to not just advertise at your alma mater. Go out of your way to advertise to women in engineering groups and black friendly mailing lists and so forth. It gives you a MUCH better applicant pool and, if you are genuinely hiring/selecting “the best of the best”, you naturally become more diverse (because people are people).

Which has knock on effects back at the universities because professors are very much selecting grad students based on how likely they are to get a summer internship (and thus cost much less per year). If they know that only their white male students will be able to get an internship? They get more white males. If they suddenly realize ethnicity and gender don’t matter? They too begin selecting the best of the best which, again, naturally gets diversity closer to the national averages rather than the “STEM average”.

Mdotaut801 ,

Well here’s the issue….police officers are using it.

GentlemanLoser ,

Seriously, unless it’s in crayon IDK what we’re expecting

HenriVolney ,

NOPD failing its citizen, one bad idea at a time

DaveNa ,

And this is lemmy, a propaganda platform. That site cited as news. First source, no link. 2nd source, another “news website.” 3rd source, Twitter. Half the article, opinion. OK. I’ll see myself out, thank you very much.

Machinist3359 ,

Dangerous to think you're more media literate than you are.

  1. Not linking a source

Very common for reports or scientific articles, where a sharable link is not readily available. Take it up with the city council who received the report being slow. The claims are sourced, and that source is credible, that's what matters.

  1. "News website"

Aka, a website you don't know. Nola.com is a reputable local site, but that hardly matters here because the link is backing up a matter of public record— the previous FR ban was reversed.

  1. Link to Twitter

It's funny, what representatives say publicly is indeed newsworthy. When such statements happen on Twitter, you link to Twitter. Shocking, I know.

  1. Opinions

Maybe you haven't read a news article before, but providing the opinions of both sides of an issue is common practice, so that the reader has context and can consider their own position

scottywh ,

Accusing a site you’re participating in of being a “propaganda platform” is a new strategy… Let’s see how it works out for them, Cotton…

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Well, I could have told you this. (Techdirt has plenty of articles on how facial recognition software mostly generates false positives and ruins the days, if not the lives, of innocents).

On a similar note, the massive camera array of London, to which law-enforcement and state security departments are plugged in, is useful for less than 0.1% of incidents.

quicksand ,

When I walk into the building I work at there is a disclaimer that they are using facial recognition. I don’t know if this is reality or a scare tactic, but based on the industry I would assume they’re just using it for free AI training

RaoulDook ,

You should walk out when you see those signs.

MisterFrog ,
@MisterFrog@lemmy.world avatar

People may see this as a “see, AI isn’t that good”. We all need to rail against these kinds of programs to the point they are made illegal. Because there are examples around the world of being able to track people with facial recognition (and even by the way someone walks with their face entirely covered 0_0)

I see this as the new Orleans police dep hired a inept contractor (or did an inept job in house).

Around the world, we must fight against all inappropriate data harvesting.

Misconduct ,

With all the laws trying to put women into basically servitude I’m definitely on team rail against. There are a lot of types of “criminals” that need to be able to get away from law enforcement these days unfortunately. Honestly I’d prefer they just keep being inept for now lol

SangriaFerret ,

Tbf, NOPD don’t arrest many people anyway. There’s a massive cop shortage, only 944 officers for a city of 364,000 with skyrocketing crime rates. Moreover, they’ve been operating under a consent decree by the DOJ since 2012. They’re overworked, underpaid and under the thumb of the feds so in response they simply don’t do shit.

karlthemailman ,

Serious question, what is the right number of officers for a city that size? 1 officer per 400 people or so doesn’t sound very low to me.

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    Smokeless7048 ,

    1:100 seems insane. I live in a community of 10,000 people, and we don’t have anything close to 100 people working in the RCMP. MAYBE 20-30, including support

    mski ,

    Just checked our major urban centre in Canada, and it’s around 1:450. As a comparison, that makes New Orleans (1:385) pretty well staffed.

    Would be cool to find data covering major urban centres across the world for comparisons.

    SangriaFerret ,

    New York City has a ratio of 1:166

    Machinist3359 ,

    And NYC is wildly over-policed.

    I swear, some people have never met a societal problem they didn't want to throw a cop at. Meanwhile we have more cops and prisoners per Capita than most of the world, funny how that works...

    surewhynotlem ,

    I know more than 100 people and zero criminals. Somehow this math doesn’t math to me.

    Corkyskog ,

    It’s statistically extremely unlikely that non of those 100 people are criminals. One of them is probably a secret cannibal, or on heroin, or whatever.

    surewhynotlem ,

    Well now I’m wondering if it’s me

    SangriaFerret ,

    NOPD’s stated goal is 1600, a ratio of 1:227 persons.

    The actual ratio is 1:385

    Cleveland, similar in size to New Orleans, has a ratio 1:310. They also state that they are suffering from a serious police shortage.

    By comparison:

    NYC has a ratio of 1:166

    Chicago 1:180

    HardlightCereal ,

    0 officers

    TurtleJoe ,
    @TurtleJoe@lemmy.world avatar

    The cops in my city were under a DOJ consent decree for like 20 years, and it didn’t make them any less effective. They’re actually worse now, because they actively don’t give a fuck.

    HardlightCereal ,

    Good.

    p03locke ,
    @p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    So, why not just write-off the technology as unreliable and move on? Even with the atrocious false positive rate, you would have still expected more than 15 hits in 9 months. This tech has got to be expensive and even the potential ROI on this, if it ever works at all, is very not worth it.

    HardlightCereal ,

    All 15 of the false positives were black people. That’s why they’re keeping it.

    _number8_ ,

    if you think it’s good that cops have more tech you are the dumbest fucking hog imaginable

    blazera ,
    @blazera@kbin.social avatar

    well, good on them for not arresting false positives at least

    gingerwolfie ,

    Surprise surprise!

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