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knobbysideup ,

Imagine if ads had remained a single static banner at the top/bottom of the page and was hosted by the site itself. Maybe there wouldn’t be an arms race to infiltrate every aspect of our digital lives.

TheBat ,
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But that would mean leaving money on the table. Our economy doesn’t allow for that. You must always strive for more, on a planet with limited resources.

PopOfAfrica ,

What’s wild, is the stuff we really need (food and water) are self sustainable. Our resources or limited, but replenishing. Of course we instead base out society off one of the few nonrenewable resources (fossil fuels).

witx ,

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    whileloop ,
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    I’m afraid I disagree here. This line of thinking might lead some people to targeting Google engineers for harassment, doxxing, etc. We’re better than that, I hope. Instead, we need to call on governments to hit Google harder than they hit Microsoft over Internet Explorer. Back then, there were talks of forcing Microsoft to split off IE as a separate company, we need to make Google do the same with Chrome, and find some way to compel them to stop all browser development altogether. We have antitrust laws, we just aren’t using them.

    witx ,

    I see your point

    like47ninjas ,

    10:10 wholesome response.

    ArcticCircleSystem ,

    People call on governments to do things all the time, but it’s often just ignored. How do we get governments to actually listen? How do we get this to actually happen? ~Strawberry

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t blame the engineers so much as the executives. Those engineers could be people from India on H-1B visas just trying to live a better life.

    Whirlybird ,

    For a tech community there are a lot of uninformed and fear mongering posts in here. From the article:

    What About Browser Modifications and Extensions?

    Google’s proposal remains ambiguous about its impact on browser modifications and extensions. It attests to the legitimacy of the underlying hardware and software stack without restricting the application’s functionality. However, how this plays out with browsers that allow extensions or are modified remains a grey area. As the proposal vaguely mentions, “Web Environment Integrity attests the legitimacy of the underlying hardware and software stack, it does not restrict the indicated application’s functionality.”

    Basically it can be summed up as “nothing in the new thing actually says it will make blocking ads impossible or even harder, but who knows right? So just trust that it will based on nothing other than fear mongering”

    Sites have been detecting ad blockers and refusing to show you content unless you disable them for years. Sites already have paywalls as drm to restrict what you can see. This really isn’t bringing the ability do any of these DRM things since those already exist.

    Having said all that - is there much of a reason for this new thing to exist? Debatable at this stage. The only benefit I can see to users is it could eliminate captchas and other “are you human?” checks, as well as maybe reduce cheaters in browser based games (which tbh I don’t even know if that’s a thing).

    crowsby ,
    @crowsby@lemmy.world avatar

    I think the issue is that Google has both A) a track record of backdooring restrictions on adblocking, and B) an overwhelming motivation to do so seeing as how they generate their revenue from online advertising. They’ve forfeited the benefit of the doubt, especially when they’ve already disclosed that the whole point of the change is to enhance the profitability of online advertising:

    Google’s engineers elaborate, “Websites funded by ads require proof that their users are human and not bots…Social websites need to differentiate between real user engagement and fake engagement”

    So given that once implemented, this hop and this skip would just require a teensy jump in order to further restrict adblocking, it is reasonable to assume that’s within their desired goals.

    Tired8281 ,

    Google has a track record of attack articles written against them, all talking up their intentions to tank adblocking, including this attack article. And yet, my adblocker still works and my ads are still blocked. Strange that we just assume this is what they intend to do, when there’s no evidence they’ve pulled it off, we treat it as if they have.

    crowsby ,
    @crowsby@lemmy.world avatar

    Are you really certain that Google is trying to eliminate adblocking is just an alarmist assumption?

    Tired8281 ,

    Threatens, as in, hasn’t happened and may not. Not all threats are true.

    idk how well stuff works on Chrome Mobile. I use a different Chrome-based mobile browser that does allow extensions, and Ublock Origin works great on it. Turns out there’s more than one way to skin a cat. Who knew?

    I’m well read on Manifest v3. I’m also aware of a Ublock Origin version that is designed to work under it. I have it installed and ready to go, for if and when the old one stops working. But that has only been threatened, too, and not even by Google.

    I’m not certain it is just an assumption, but I am also not certain it is a prophecy. Until I get more certain, I’m not going to bust my hump worrying about it. And I’m certainly not going to bellow to the hillsides that we’re all doomed.

    Whirlybird ,

    YouTube test threatens to block viewers if they continue using ad blockers

    They can do this without this new API though. Many sites block users if they use ad blockers, have for years, and that’s without this API.

    How well is uBlock Origin working for you in Chrome Mobile?

    Chrome isn’t the only browser on mobiles. If Chrome doesn’t let you block ads and you want to block ads, use a browser that does. Based on your logic, google would have eliminated ad blockers from Android overall already, yet they haven’t.

    The fact is that this new API doesn’t block ad-blockers. Sites can already choose to block access if you have an ad blocker. There’s no change.

    Whirlybird ,

    💯. People are talking like there’s currently no way for websites to detect ad blockers or implement paywalls, and this is Googles way of doing it.

    eth0p , (edited )

    In other posts, I’ve tried to point out how some of the articles and comments around WEI are more speculative than factual and received downvotes and accusations of boot-licking for it. Welcome to the club, I guess.

    The speculation isn’t baseless, but I’m concerned about the lack of accurate information about WEI in its current form. If the majority of people believe WEI is immediately capable of enforcing web page integrity, share that incorrect fact around, and incite others, it’s going to create a very good excuse for dismissing all dissenting feedback of WEI as FUD. The first post linking to the GitHub repository brought in so many pissed off/uninformed people that the authors of the proposal actually locked the repo issues, preventing anyone else from voicing their concerns or providing examples of how implementing the specification could have unintended or negative consequences.

    Furthermore, by highlighting the DRM and anti-adblock aspect of WEI, it’s failing to give proper attention to many of the other valid concerns like:

    • Discrimination against older hardware/software that doesn’t support system-level environment integrity enforcement (i.e. Secure Boot)
    • The ability for WEI to be used to discriminate between browsers and provide poor (or no) service to browsers not created by specific corporations.
    • The possibility of WEI being used in a way to force usage of browsers provided by hostile vendors
    • The ability for it to be used to lock out self-built browsers or forked browsers.
    • The potential for a lack in diversity of attesters allowing for a cartel of attesters to refuse validation for browsers they dislike.

    I very well could be wrong, but I think our (the public) opinions would have held more weight if they were presented in a rational, informed, and objective manner. Talking to software engineers as people generally goes down better than treating them like emotionless cogs in the corporate machine, you know?

    diyrebel ,

    The only benefit I can see to users is it could eliminate captchas

    elimination is not a benefit. The CAPTCHA motive of separating humans from bots is responsible for killing beneficial bots. The only good thing about it is humans get fed-up with CAPTCHAs and the captcha-pushers lose human traffic. That backlash is a good thing™. Remove that backlash and beneficial bots are defeated on a much larger scale.

    Bipta ,

    Per the article, this is already being integrated into Chromium as we speak, as in days ago: https://github.com/chromium/chromium/commit/6f47a22906b2899412e79a2727355efa9cc8f5bd

    Fish ,

    This is why I recently switched back to Firefox.

    FoxBJK ,
    @FoxBJK@midwest.social avatar

    While nice to do, it’s not going to solve the problem when the likes of Cloudflare are already on board with this. Apple has already implemented a similar system in Safari as well. Feels like the horse has already left the barn.

    Philosophically I want to agree with you, but when sites like banks and employment finders are going to require this it’s really going to create a horrible world of the haves and have-nots.

    2pt_perversion ,

    If google really does away with adblockers I expect many more will follow. I’m not even against unobtrusive ads but the few times I’ve been away from my own pihole / ublock browser setup and rawdogged the internet those ads were next level obnoxious. I can’t live like that.

    Steeve ,

    Why’s everyone blaming the engineers lol, pretty sure they’re just doing what they’re told right?

    HauntedCupcake ,

    Exactly, headline should be more like “Google executives want Google engineers to make ad-blocking (near) impossible”

    oce ,
    @oce@jlai.lu avatar

    Isn’t Google famous for giving a large amount of creative freedom to their engineers (and having a lot of dead published products as a result)? Also, Google engineers are not exactly stuck at their job with little hope of finding anything else to survive.

    ffolkes ,
    @ffolkes@fanexus.com avatar

    I believe that policy was reduced or removed many years ago. Around the time when all the cool new projects stopped, and Google scrubbed “don’t be evil” from their site and company philosophy.

    foo ,

    a decade ago.

    HurlingDurling ,

    Because it is still unclear if this is an official project requested by Google or just some engineers working alone until Google adopts the project.

    mriguy ,

    The chances that a swashbuckling crew of rogue engineers organized a secret skunkworks project to implement their heartfelt, idealistic vision of an adblocker free web are… low.

    HurlingDurling ,

    True, but it’s not zero

    ultimate_question ,

    This is exactly something an engineer who works at Google would want to work on, finding new ways to enrich Google is literally their job and there would be great personal benefit from coming up with the best way to implement this DRM crap for profit

    underisk ,
    @underisk@lemmy.ml avatar

    Just following orders is not the ironclad excuse some of you seem to think it is.

    loom_in_essence ,

    They’re still bad people, but this kind of blame has to run uphill. The devs only have the option of quitting, not necessarily of not doing what they’re told.

    That being said, I bet there are some Very Good Boys who enthusiastically and proactively suggest some evil shit to the execs.

    Steeve ,

    I mean shit, they aren’t launching nukes here

    peopleproblems ,

    Look dude, I hate advertising as much as anyone. I don’t want any TV and most streaming services have wedged in some form of advertising nowadays and I avoid all that.

    But equating engineers trying to solve a problem like engineers figuring out how to block ads isn’t really equivalent to murder.

    underisk ,
    @underisk@lemmy.ml avatar

    People only get held accountable for their actions and choices when the consequences are equivalent to murder? Their bosses hold some of the blame, sure, but they are not blameless and pretending they are just enables shit like this to keep happening.

    seang96 ,

    Software engineers have ethics classes, I’d imagine this would fall highly under unethical, just under building software for the military which google employees have protested in the past.

    Steeve ,

    Losing your ad blocker on chrome is “just under” software designed to kill people? Lol really? Oh the oppression

    seang96 ,

    Sure it won’t kill people like programming drones, but it is still unethical and would affect ~5 billion people negatively.

    Steeve ,

    Right, but you said “just under”. There’s a preeetty fuckin wide gap between blocking ad blockers and dropping bombs guy.

    seang96 ,
    1. It’s not just ad blockers that is m issue with this. Read Mozilla’s post for a bunch of valid concerns.
    2. If you read my reply there is a comma prior to the just which makes a pause if it makes it better you could read it as [it’s] just under… Either way I am not trying to make the wide gape you are referring to, I was simply stating it as a matter of fact more ethical then programming for military use but still unethical.
    Steeve ,

    I’m not saying concerns aren’t valid, I just took your comment to be calling it almost comparable to military software.

    “…, it’s just under…” means the same thing, but I think you mean “it’s just under” as in “although, it’s under” rather than “just” being a measurement?

    seang96 ,

    Yeah not intending it as a measurement; this comes to mind in situations like this

    False ,

    Software engineers have ethics classes

    We do?

    seang96 ,

    It was required for my degree, I’m sure it is required at more than just my university lol

    ryry1985 ,

    Not my university. Outside of the engineering classes and prequisites for engineering classes, we only had to take rhetoric and a foreign language.

    seang96 ,

    That’s disappointing to hear. Talked about ethics throughout my courses and one was half the class. Hopefully more professors and instructions sprinkle it in there at least.

    marmo7ade ,

    Your anecdote is not universal.

    seang96 ,

    Sure, its not taught everywhere, it is still something discussed among peers and taught at some institutions. Otherwise, you wouldn’t be seeing engineers doing walkouts and protesting companies decisions.

    bloodyknuckles ,

    are you seriously advocating for immoral choices right now? what the fuck is even the point of your comment except to disagree with no more information? bruh go hit a punching bag or some shit, then hop back online . or go to reddit because you will love it over there

    marmo7ade ,

    No they don’t.

    jlou ,

    Doing what you're told does not relieve you of responsibility for the results of your actions

    Goodie ,

    The engineers are not blame free, and can do super shady shit too. For example, the issues with the WebHID “broswer” APIs.

    marmo7ade ,

    The author is the type of person to classify a software engineer making $300,00 per year the same as the CEO of google who makes $2,000,000 per year and gets another $200,000,000 in stock options.

    The software engineering is not rich. The CEO is rich. But they are both held responsible for problems by the ignorant. And this is the class war CEOs want us fighting. If we are fighting each other, we aren’t fighting them.

    RagingNerdoholic ,

    Ah yes, because “just following orders” has worked out so well in the past.

    That’s right, I just godwin’d this bitch.

    PlexSheep ,
    @PlexSheep@feddit.de avatar

    The issue tracker of the GitHub repo is just ridiculous.

    dangblingus ,

    This shouldn’t be surprising to anyone. And it’s a death knell of the internet as we know it. It won’t be today or tomorrow, but slowly, over the next few years, expect surface level internet services to be extremely user unfriendly. I expect normies to just accept their fate and pay access fees to literally every website and service they use, while more tech savvy or explorative people might find their way to federated spaces or Usenet, etc.

    tonnert ,

    The silver lining here might also be that the internet that we knew and loved 25 years ago might actually reappear. The ‘other’ stuff would just become background noise to the ones ‘in the know’.

    Beliriel ,

    Lol wouldn’t that be epic. IRC becoming a big thing again because discord, whatsapp, and all thr other business social media go to shit.

    InternetUser2012 ,

    I’m ready.

    TheRealGChu ,

    I can’t get into discord. As an old EFnet user, it’s just clunky to me? I’m not sure, but it’s not sticking for me

    Beliriel ,

    I was a regular Teamspeak user and Discord is just more friendly than TS imo

    thehatfox ,
    @thehatfox@lemmy.world avatar

    I sometimes wonder if this would be best outcome. Rather than spending so much effort trying to fight for the internet at large, those of us “in the know” just take our balls and go play in our own corner.

    The fediverse might be a test of this it continues to survive but never turns mainstream.

    rolaulten ,

    There is an author - Tad Williams, who wrote the “Otherland” series. One of the chapters has the some of the main ensemble going to “treehouse” - aka what happened in this universe when the nerds, geeks and techno wizards took their ball and went home. The series as a whole is interesting if you like sci-fi. That chapter however seems more and more on the nose the older I get.

    Goodie ,

    Then don’t let Chrome be a super majority of users.

    www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/

    marmo7ade ,

    You can’t win this battle by telling normies to go download firefox. They don’t care. And that’s the issue. People need to care about these issues and that starts with education. If we taught kids about computers and intellectual property at a young age, they might care. Instead I learned how to write in cursive.

    Goodie ,

    If you have a better plan, let me know.

    Otherwise you can roll over and let the internet die and ill do what i can.

    GobsImage ,
    @GobsImage@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Allrighty mr. Dramagoodie. You go fight the good fight, or whatever your psykosis is called. Firefox is life, but normies be normies. You make zero impact.

    Iteria ,
    @Iteria@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Firefox literally used to be a significant browser before Chrome showed up. Users have to download Chrome. It’s not like it default. It’s just a matter of changing habits. They swapped from Firefox to Chrome they can back. They’ll do it for thr same reason so many people left IE for Firefox: it sucked.

    When ads get overbearing and scammy, your favorite neighbor IT guy will install Firefox for them or something and tell them to use it. A child or grandchild will do the same. So it has always been. That’s how adblock even became so big. People didn’t use it before.

    Ads are so bad now, I actually went out of my way to install Firefox on my phone. My less technical relatives just refuse to use anything but apps.

    azuth ,

    I think some people must be young and have not witnessed the late 90s, early 00s, before Firefox.

    You had way more new users whose only notion of the internet was the blue e icon. Macs were less popular and of course there were no smartphones.

    Microsoft pulled all the bullshit. “Extending” the standards so standards compliant browsers would not work, serving broken pages on non IE browsers and convincing an enormous amount of moron webmasters to tell you to go “upgrade” to IE while your browser could perfectly render their site.

    Yet Firefox did break that stranglehold.

    But you need to connect with people. Don’t try to do it via relatively abstract concepts such as privacy or freedom. Tell them that they won’t be able to block any ads in a year or so if they keep using Chrome. That they won’t be able to download whatever they want… etc etc.

    RagingNerdoholic ,

    But they do care about their money. Explain it in ways that will resonate with them.

    Without ad blocking, they’ll encounter “scam ads” that take over the browser and demand calling “support” that collects their credit card info and costs them hundreds of dollars in fraudulent charges. At the very least, it’s a pain in the ass they have deal with by calling their credit card provider to cancel the charges.

    Security extensions from antivirus/antimalware applications won’t work and subject them to even more of the above.

    Malicious “attestation” services can falsely verify unscrupulous websites as legitimate.

    fievel ,

    Exactly this is the problem, when I talk non-geek (including my wife) about privacy they answer “what the hell have you to hide !” … It’s so difficult to convince people :'(

    treefrog ,

    Is your wife as laissez faire with other forms of privacy protection? Cool with drug screenings for employment doing nonconsensual pregnancy tests to gather otherwise private medical information, for example.

    AlexWIWA ,

    The internet was better before the normies joined. “I don’t see the problem, Chrome is fine, I don’t care if it spies” is a very common thing I hear.

    ShroOmeric ,

    Really curious about how they’ll try this shit in the EU. That’ll be fun.

    Pratai ,

    Google executives want this, NOT the engineers.

    Goodie ,

    Their engineers are super fucking shady too. For example, the issies with the WebHID “browser” APIs

    Pratai ,

    And you think it was the engineer’s idea to do that?

    Goodie ,

    There’s literally a comment from an Google engineer, about WebHID saying that they had engineers “motivated to execute on” as part of their reasoning for telling others to go fuck themselves.

    Ogmios ,

    Guess who’s opinion matters here?

    azuth ,

    They put their name on it. I hope it was monetary worth it because the public should not cut them any slack.

    db0 ,
    @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    We warned you about Chrome. We told you bro.

    theneverfox ,

    Forced to implement is the wrong term - they were tasked with designing it. They can’t just swap one person out for another - losing the lead dev or designer would be delay or kill the effort

    They could’ve pushed back - software ethics is a required course for very good reason - but it’s easy to never ask if you should do something and skip straight to how. It gets easier to skip that piece every time, and the company isn’t going to respect it - we need outside pressure so they can point to us and say “this will have repercussions”

    They don’t deserve death threats, but trashing everything they push on GitHub is fair. Measured steady pressure - save the most extreme stuff for upper management and shareholders

    For the engineers you have to make them understand they did bad and they should feel bad, they need to feel that their peers have lost respect for them, not that this is the public lashing out

    DeriHunter ,

    Your notion is just wrong. First of all engineers can’t push back on something like this. They can try to push back on stuff that might be wrong for the product, that is not performant or potentially break stuff, but not on something that can make the company so much money. If this is the roadmap, they must align, they are being paid (tons of money) to implement the company’s vision.

    Second of all, you are looking at this as a consumer perspective. They are part of the company and most likely heavily invested in it. And if such thing will increase the company’s revenue, it will icrease theirs too. They won’t feel bad trust me, they know where they are and what they’re doing.

    Powerpoint ,

    That’s where the ethics part comes into play. They’re not being ethical.

    shotgun_crab ,

    What a cursed timeline this is

    FantasticFox ,
    @FantasticFox@lemmy.world avatar

    We waste intelligent minds on this rubbish when we are facing an existential crisis in climate change.

    azdood85 ,

    A few decades ago I gave a manager 2 options to solve a problem for the company.

    1st was to take a simple engineered approach with a dash of automation to keep our lives simple but I would have to push out previously set deadlines

    2nd was to just ignore it until it gets so bad that his managers finally give in to hire someone else to do it and hope that it gets done right after I leave the project

    He chose the 2nd. It never got solved. They ended up hiring a vendor who screwed it up and it took a volunteer using unpaid hours on threat of being fired to resolve it.

    It was only a few years later he became CIO for a major tech company and I lost all hope in humanity.

    SkyeStarfall ,

    Because our economic system is broken. It simply does not allow us to do what is best for humanity in the long run. It’s completely absurd the more you think about it.

    Thorny_Thicket ,

    Is it though? I mean yeah the incentives aren’t perfectly aligned but to me it looks like we’re heading to the right direction anyways. It’s just the slow pace that’s the issue. In Finland we’re setting up so many wind turbines that the price of electricity drops to negative from time to time.

    TotallynotJessica ,
    @TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s because you’re well off in the international context. If you lived in an exploited country where life has been getting worse by many metrics for generations, you probably wouldn’t feel like we’re “moving in the right direction.” Most of Europe and America has benefited from the imperialism of global capitalism.

    Thorny_Thicket ,

    Africa has benefited from it aswell. They skipped landlines and went straight to mobile phones and they’re for the most part going to skip burning coal aswell and just put up solar panels and wind turbines.

    rambaroo , (edited )

    Wow you can’t be serious. Africa benefited from capitalism? The same capitalism that destroyed their countries and enslaved millions of people? The same capitalism that intentionally keeps African countries unstable and dependent on international aid?

    No fucking way you just tried to just that by saying they have cell phones. That’s some epic meme level shit dude.

    Thorny_Thicket ,

    Africa haven’t benefited from capitalism in any way?

    SkyeStarfall ,

    Because the whole problem essentially boils down to “if it is individually cheaper for everyone to dump their waste into the river, instead of properly processing it, then that is what is the individually rational thing to do, even if in the end everyone loses far more on it”. It’s washing time and effort on competition, resulting in worse long term results, instead of cooperating together for a better final output.

    Rolive ,

    Just when I thought the idea of DRM internet couldn’t be any more depressing…

    Thorny_Thicket ,

    Climate change is not an existential crisis. Not to the entire humanity atleast. This kind of extremist thinking and extraggerating just makes me want to check out completely because it feels like there’s no one reasonable in the room.

    TotallynotJessica ,
    @TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world avatar

    Climate change will kill billions, and there’s a decent chance that each one of us might be in those billions. Even if it won’t kill 100% of humanity, it will probably kill a number of governments, our current way of life, and there’s no guarantee it won’t kill me. It’s an existential threat in the same way that Russian roulette is.

    Thorny_Thicket , (edited )

    That’s a bold claim to say it’s going to kill billions of people. What are you basing this on?

    EDIT:

    The World Health Organization estimated that between 2030 and 2050, climate change could cause approximately 250,000 additional deaths per year.

    A study published in The Lancet projected that, under a high-emission scenario, climate change could cause an additional 1.7 to 3.2 million deaths per year by 2100

    rambaroo ,

    “Don’t worry guys your kids will only live in a dystopian hellhole, it’s not that bad”

    Thorny_Thicket ,

    Not what I said

    RubberElectrons ,
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    If you’re not at least mildly concerned by scientists (people who’ve spent years if not decades building up their reputation amongst many many peers) grabbing their hair and shouting about the incoming, slowly accelerating danger, then… Please. Checkout and get out of humanity’s way.

    Thorny_Thicket ,

    Is that what I said?

    RubberElectrons ,
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    We’re all sorry you weren’t privileged enough to be equipped with the ability to read between lines or understand gists. Good luck to you.

    theneverfox ,

    You’re right, they can only try. They can express concerns, they can interpret goals a little differently to minimize harm, they can stretch the truth and make the project seem less feasible. None of that is going to do much if management is driving this through - loudly resigning in protest is the last move, and unless you have a big name it’s not going to do much.

    But you’re wrong that I’m coming at this as a consumer - I’m a dev and I’ve been put in this situation before (although our work wasn’t public).

    You’re also wrong on the googler front - most of them aren’t making that much, better than they’d make most other places, but not life changing amounts

    When you talk to a googler, there’s a pride, and buried under that usually an insecurity. They got into the bleeding edge of tech… Or so they thought.

    Last Thanksgiving I was talking to someone who worked for them, and once the conversation got technical I could see it in his eyes. I happened to be well versed in the topic, and so I started asking questions about his approach. And as much as I tried to hide it (he is family) he must’ve seen the disappointment on my face… He just deflated. He knew deep down what he was doing wasn’t actually that cool or special - it’s just a lie that he hears constantly

    Working at a company like Google, you’re constantly being told you’re doing important work that could change the world. There’s pride and status there. They’ve crafted a bubble where everyone reinforces that belief, that “what we’re doing is good and important”

    When you step outside that bubble and realize the technical community doesn’t respect you, personally, not because of Google but because of your own actions? That pokes a person right in the place they put their self-worth

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