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    wanderingmagus ,

    Maybe it’d be healthier for all of us in the long run to just unplug, go outside, and visit a library or join a social club. Or we can just unplug from the internet corpo-net and go full Fediverse and FOSS. I’m sure there’s plenty of people already doing it here on Lemmy.

    LapGoat ,
    @LapGoat@pawb.social avatar

    Im here to vouch for camping, specifically burns.

    Its a great way to talk to folks in a generally left leaning environment, try new things, have wild experiences, and you all use your superhero names so nobody actually knows who you are.

    great way to disconnect from the internet in a made-up society that is a bit nicer, plus theres a cool fire

    linearchaos ,
    @linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s just a paywall with extra steps.

    Anyone that implements it I won’t use their content unless it’s absolutely necessary. I think stack exchange may be the only site that has enough pull for me to visit them anyway.

    Any browser that gets around it I’ll use instead. I’m already using Brave, Firefox and Edge instead of chrome.

    Really All this is going to do is create a opportunity for AI ad removal, Man in the middle rendering raster scraping the data removing anything that looks like an ad.

    Phlogiston ,

    That is a great idea for a browser extension. An AI module that hides ads and clicks x’s and generally fucks with their engagement numbers but don’t let any of it get to your eyeballs.

    linearchaos ,
    @linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

    yeah, DRM is a harder beast for a video feed, but static webpages? I don’t see how they could actually stop you if you’re rendering to the screen.

    czan ,

    Here you go: adnauseam.io

    diyrebel ,

    Really All this is going to do is create a opportunity for AI ad removal,

    It’s worse than that. As it stands, I’m blocked from ~30+% of the web because of Cloudflare. Unjailing the content into archive.org’s is indispensable. From the article:

    “Websites funded by ads require proof that their users are human and not bots”

    I already lose copious access to content as a human being treated like a bot. ’s plan is to take the next extreme. It’s the wrong direction.

    Robots work for the user, not against. I created a bot to find me a house because the real estate sites lacked the search criteria I needed. I scraped the sites & found the ideal house. This would be nearly impossible today & Google brings it closer to impossible.

    diyrebel , (edited )

    will make you want to unplug (as Cloudflare has done to me), but if you’re in Europe you will be unable to because European governments have already killed off offline infrastructure (). There are already a number of government transactions & public services that can no longer be done offline.

    cafeina ,

    Why cloudflare? Honest question

    diyrebel ,

    Cloudflare is an exclusive walled garden that blocks a marginalized¹ segment of people from most of their sites.

    ① People whose ISP uses , Tor users, users with text browsers, beneficial bots (which serve humans), impaired people (who can’t solve CF’s CAPTCHAs), those who distrust a US corp to have visibility on the plaintext contents of every single packet including usernames and passwords, etc.

    HawlSera ,

    I’m not even joking, shit like this is bringing back my depression.

    wanderingmagus ,

    If it’s affecting your mental health, I highly recommend avoiding this side of social media and focusing on your needs. Don’t let the world drag you down with it.

    HawlSera ,

    I need to know

    gendulf ,

    It won’t affect your daily life, and if it does end up doing so, you can’t really have done much about it. Better to enjoy life. Go have coffee with a friend, find something to enjoy each day. Take a weekend road trip or camping trip and enjoy somewhere.

    HawlSera ,

    “I have to be interested in politics, because it won’t stop being interested in me.” As they say, if I know it’s coming, I can prepare for it

    Reliant1087 ,

    I mean Google becoming crappy is not something you can easily avoid. I have a medical procedure happening soon and I literally couldn’t find any non-corporate listicle on Google or bing. I ended up having to use mojeek to read stuff written by actual people.

    wanderingmagus ,

    TIL about Mojeek. I know this wasn’t the focus of your reply, but thanks for the tip.

    Reliant1087 ,

    :) No worries. I’m having more luck with search when using mojeek, startpage or duckduckgo.

    reev ,

    Check out Kagi.com if you’re interested in a new approach to search and are willing to put a bit of money towards it.

    Reliant1087 ,

    I’ve read quite a lot of positive things about kagi. Unfortunately the query/price is too high to be affordable to me right now.

    proflovski ,
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    I’m glad you don’t live in turkey where news and half of people are more cancer than this 💀💀

    0ppressed ,

    This guy is amazing. He is asking for patience to move this to a proper place to discuss this website drm and then commits it to chrome lol.

    zerkrazus ,

    Yes because that’s beneficial to society and definitely not solely for the purpose of making the company and their executives richer.

    0Xero0 ,
    @0Xero0@lemmy.world avatar

    The year is 2023, every single major tech companies are racing each other to become Public Enemy No. 1. And the only Hero we have is the EU, will it be able to save the day?

    Rolive ,

    Don’t have too much faith in the EU. Corporations are still heavily influencing politics. They will probably come with half assed laws that have loopholes or workarounds.

    ra1d3n ,

    Like GDPR?

    /s

    diyrebel ,

    I don’t get the “/s”.

    The is absolutely a perfect example of ½-assed laws & loopholes. I have filed reports on dozens of GDPR violations; not a single one of them lead to enforcement. The GDPR is just a prop to make people feel comfortable as the EU destroys the offline infrastructure.

    Rolive ,

    I did as well for the Catholic Church. I don’t want to have my name associated with a gang of child molesters so I invoked the right to be forgotten. The church told me that baptism is sacred and cannot be undone. The Dutch institution for GDPR claims never did anything about it because they’re overloaded with requests.

    Oh well, I’m not willing to give it more energy either. It’s mildly annoying but doesn’t affect my day to day life.

    ra1d3n ,

    Maybe you misunderstand the enforcement part of the GDPR. It’s not made for you to get personal enforcement out of it. It works on the basis of multiple infractions being recorded and then escalating the agencies response level.

    I work with many companies as IT consultant and I can assure you, that they all FEAR the GDPR and treat natural person data very well because of that. Enforcement of GDPR does happen and you can review every enforcement on a public website called enforcement tracker. There are almost 1980 enforcement actions in their database.

    I have also personally requested information about me and my family through the rights bestowed by the GDPR regulations and have EVERY TIME gotten the information within 30 days.

    diyrebel , (edited )

    Maybe you misunderstand the enforcement part of the GDPR. It’s not made for you to get personal enforcement out of it.

    You obviously have not read article 77. This article entitles individuals to report GDPR violations to a DPA for enforcement. Article 77 does not distinguish violations against an individual (which I suppose is what you mean by “personal enforcement”) and violations against many. Some of the violations I have reported can only be construed as violations against the general public. E.g. an org fails to designate a DPO.

    The problem is there is nothing to enforce article 77 itself. When a DPA neglects to act on an article 77 report, there is no recourse. There is only a provision that allows lawsuits against the GDPR violators. But then when someone did that, and then claimed legal costs, an Italian court decided for everyone in a precedence-setting case that legal costs are not recoverable. Which essentially neuters the court action remedy. So we have an unenforced article 77 and a costly & impractical direct action option.

    It works on the basis of multiple infractions being recorded and then escalating the agencies response level.

    It’s not even doing that much, in some cases. The report has to get past the front desk secretary and be submitted into the litigation chamber before it’s even considered as something that would indicate a trend. If it doesn’t get past the secretary it does nothing whatsoever. Some of my reports were flippantly rejected by a pre-screening secretary for bogus reasons (e.g. “your complaint is ‘contractual in nature’” when in fact there is no contractual agreement, apart from the fact that the existence of a contract does not nullify the GDPR anyway).

    I work with many companies as IT consultant and I can assure you, that they all FEAR the GDPR

    So you’re only seeing the commercial response. Gov agencies & NGOs are also subject to the GDPR, which is where you see the most recklessness (likely due to the lack of penalty). On the commercial side banks also don’t give much of a shit about the GDPR because when they violate it there’s a shit ton of banking regs they point to and the DPAs are afraid to act against banks because of the messy entanglement of AML/KYC laws that essentially push to violate the GDPR.

    Enforcement of GDPR does happen and you can review every enforcement on a public website called enforcement tracker.

    Indeed I’ve browsed through the enforcement tracker. It’s a good prop for making the public believe that the is being well enforced. They are cherry-picking cases to enforce to convince the public that something is being done, but people who actually submit reports know better. We see the reports that are clearly going unenforced.

    I have also personally requested information about me and my family through the rights bestowed by the GDPR

    I have had article 15 access requests denied which I then reported to the DPA, who opened a case but just sat on it. For years, so far.

    (edit) By the way, I suggest you leave Lemmy·world for a different instance. If you care about privacy at all, you don’t use Cloudflare nodes. I cannot even see the msg I wrote (which you replied to) because blocks me (which I give some detail here: lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/1435972). I had to reply to you based purely on your msg without context.

    Jimmycrackcrack ,

    Thinking about it, a lot of these companies created astounding products on a relatively unusual business model of delivering for free (not totally unheard of, tv for example but still not the most traditional way of doing business) and absorbed, cannibalized or destroyed a lot of other services and functions with their ubiquity and unbeatable price.

    The way they say it was funded was through advertising, but nonetheless much of the big banner services remained unprofitable for years or even decades. Sometimes the master plan is to get everyone hooked (users and advertisers) and then when they have little choice anymore, start making things cost, a lot more. The trouble with this though is that none of them are the only one’s doing it and even with only a handful of big titans controlling it all, there’s still the risk of one of your tech bros stealing your lunch when your start trying to cash-in and piss of your users and your customers alike so really I guess all of them doing it at once kind of makes sense. Kind of a “I’ll jump when you jump” mentality and at least one has jumped. I somewhat wonder if they all planned to go this route at around the same time together or if they all just concluded that the short term gain in market share by taking advantage of one of them jumping wasn’t worth the risks from the intense competition and just decided to instead cash in at the same time.

    Or I’m just rambling and have no business sense or idea what I’m talking about. It just seems that might explain why this all seems to be coming to some kind of a crescendo at about the same time.

    NukeminHerttua ,
    @NukeminHerttua@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Forcing this might very well be something EU opposes. While there is a lot of corporate lobbying, Google would be forcing everyone to either use chromium or make compatibility changes into other browser. While not a total monopoly, it still limits the options radically. Therefore there might be hope that EU forbids this type of action. Let’s see…

    Bardfinn ,

    Then we will stop providing service to Europe. Hope you guys enjoy not being able to search for things.

    BlueBockser ,

    The EU has a larger population than the US, that’s not a market you just leave. Also, Europe is not the same as the European Union.

    Bardfinn ,

    Alabama has a higher GDP per capita than France. We’ll leave and you guys will beg us to come back.

    BlueBockser ,

    The EU has a PPP GDP of $24.05 trillion compared to the US’ $25.4 trillion. That is a market of significant size and leaving it will affect Google’s bottom line.

    You can compare Alabama and France all you want, that is irrelevant. Or should I perhaps start comparing Mississippi and Luxembourg?

    Lastly, I don’t know if you’ve noticed but Google isn’t the only search engine in existence. Bing, Qwant et al. will gladly fill the void that Google leaves behind.

    diyrebel ,

    It’s bizarre that you think the EU market it small enough to be dispensable. When GDPR came into force, many US sites had to reject EU traffic. But that was only temporary for the most part. They knew it wasn’t smart for business to exclude the EU so they got their compliance issues sorted.

    Hope you guys enjoy not being able to search for things.

    I would love that actually. But it’s not reality. In reality what happens is the search engines deliver a shit-ton of unusable garbage results that I would rather not see. E.g. sites that block Tor users, CAPTCHAs, giant cookie popups, etc.

    If a search engine were to filter out the garbage, it would be a great start to solving the shitty web problem.

    Gerula ,

    Don’t worry there are others than Google on the market also. If they want to make space for competition it’s actually a good thing.

    nickwitha_k ,

    We already can’t due to Google’s pushing of irrelevant promoted sites and failing to take meaningful action against SEO in recent years.

    smooth_jazz_warlady ,

    Hope you enjoy being laid off when your company eats itself to keep the growth going for just a little longer to please the capitalist parasites known as “shareholders”. You can’t much money from ads when the economy is utterly, utterly in the shitter like it is right now, not nearly as much as you used to. You really think that the average person has the financial leeway to buy luxury goods or pricier options shown in ads when the budget barely covers food, bills, rent and transport costs, and everything they do buy must be the cheapest thing they can get their hands on? Your company, and all other internet companies supported by ads, made a pact with the devil, and now he has come to collect his due. I will enjoy seeing you all go hard into the red.

    drphungky ,

    You can’t much money from ads when the economy is utterly, utterly in the shitter like it is right now

    What economy are you living in? In the US at least inflation is down, real wages are up, GDP and the stock markets are up, employment numbers are stellar…even income inequality is trending the right way. The only thing that’s “bad” is interest rates, and there’s an argument to be made they were too low to begin with before.

    smooth_jazz_warlady ,

    One where the average rent has now eclipsed the average mortgage repayment, and where all we export to the rest of the world is raw resources that are less in demand than ever

    Bardfinn ,

    As a Googler most of my comp is RSUs and layoffs increase the stock price. You Europeans on the other hand won’t be able to search for anything.

    BlueBockser ,

    Google’s recruiting standards must’ve dipped because I can’t fathom a Googler would be this ignorant. You know there are competing search engines, right?

    Bardfinn ,

    Imagine using bing 😂🤡

    Downvoted for bad faith arguments

    BlueBockser ,

    You’re right, Google and Bing are the only two search engines in the world. Trolls gotta troll, I guess. Blocked.

    smooth_jazz_warlady ,

    I get by fine with Duckduckgo and Ecosia, thank you very much.

    Bardfinn ,

    Also downvoted for arguing in bad faith

    PlanetOfOrd ,

    News headline, October 2078

    Google finds users are covering their ears and closing their eyes; releases nanobots to force eyes open and lock hands behind back.

    Deemo ,

    Reminds of the 15 million merits episdoe in black mirror

    mimichuu_ ,

    Man I love using Firefox.

    Deemo ,

    This might sound silly but assuming you are using firefox or even safari how will this proposal affect these browsers. Only thing I can currently think of is banking sites (on android) would force you to use chrome and check play integrity (safteynet) to block acess.

    At the end of the day won’t this only affect people using Google chrome? (Forks of chrome, firefox, safari could by pass the issue)?

    Sorry if I seem a bit ignorant

    spark947 ,

    Firefox could always spoof the standard to maintain compatibility.

    Deemo ,

    Good point.

    pacoboyd ,

    If it could be spoofed easily, wouldn’t that defeat the point?

    I mean you can’t just “spoof” a ssl cert or private ssh key, I have to assume this is at least that good.

    Saik0Shinigami ,
    @Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com avatar

    You’re relying on the device to provide a signal of authenticity with this model. Firefox can simply say it’s authentic. However this will just lead to any signals from Firefox being ignored by any site… So Firefox would actually just need to spoof whatever signals Chrome is using… And thanks to Chromium being open source that shouldn’t be too hard. If it’s a device ID or mac address that’s being used to show uniqueness, that can be randomized and presented to sites…

    I haven’t looked at the spec… and from my understanding the Spec isn’t even finalized yet… I could be wrong. But It’s certainly not going to be a case that each webhost has a complete list of ssl certs from every client… That’s never going to happen. It could be that a cert is issued to Apple and Google, and they sub-cert out to individual devices for identities. Not sure what would stop firefox from just pulling a glut of certs and rotating them out regularly.

    spark947 ,

    Yeah, I just don’t get the point of what Google is doing with all of this. The while point is to require attestation because than you know people are viewing ads. So websites can either “trust” certs issued by Firefox, or not and lose out on ad revenue. I guess Google absence doesn’t have to trust firefoz attestation, but then it is going to payout less and people will seek other providers.

    SSL certs provide trust because you ultimately trust the issuing authority, which is supposedly garunteednby world governments. Their are known corrupt actors issuing certs, but ultimately you can be pretty sure that the SSL cert matches the domain you are on, and that it was requested by the owner of that domain. But you can still choose to not visit that domain if you don’t trust it. There are a lot of services that will block its already, so I don’t really get what the point of attestation is.

    Reliant1087 ,

    Mozilla is working on their own v3, without a lot of the restrictions Google has added. I think you can already try out the relevant mode in Firefox.

    Deemo ,

    On Firefox Nightly looks like they have v3 enabled

    https://bookwormstory.social/pictrs/image/63aa3711-fc13-40c9-9425-27a91d14cf1e.png

    Reliant1087 ,

    Yeah. I saw the announcement in the nightly channel couple of days ago. They’re letting extension makers port their add-ons as well in advance.

    MonkderZweite ,

    Yeah, as far as i understand, the browser needs to support the API. But firefox will implement it nonetheless after some protest, or no money from Google anymore.

    kolfen ,
    @kolfen@lemmy.world avatar

    Would love to use Firefox if it wasn’t so slow

    Hope more developers give special support to the gecko engine

    uncouthterran ,

    I’m not sure how recently you’ve used it but I actually find chrome to be much more resource hungry. Maybe it’s worth a try again if you haven’t?

    gendulf ,

    Firefox really isn’t slow.

    MercuryUprising ,

    Especially when its blocking all the ad bloat that chrome runs on… What in the fuck are these people smoking?

    kouichi ,

    lol Firefox + adblock beat Chrome any day.

    shotgun_crab ,

    Have you seen the recent benchmarks where Firefox surpassed Chrome? Sure, they may not reflect actual use cases, but it shows that there isn’t much of a speed difference.

    mimichuu_ ,

    Firefox isn’t slow, you just want an excuse.

    Jimmycrackcrack ,

    This topic is a bit beyond me so I may have misunderstood but I think it’s not going to matter that you use Firefox if this goes ahead and gets widely adopted because it sounds like websites will request these trust tokens and if your browser isn’t forthcoming with one then they will assume you are a bot (or a user that blocks ads and is therefore one whose traffic does not benefit them). What happens then is unclear, do they not serve up the website? Do you get a degraded experience or different content? Do they just throw a lot of CAPTCHAs at you?

    Sounds like they’re going to make life on the web a whole lot less convenient for folks that don’t want to use their new token system. But it’s totally voluntary though, no browser has to implement it.

    azuth ,

    Yes it will affect you even if you use Firefox. If a lot of us still used Firefox, Google would not be able to do it as websites would not give up on a big chunk of their audience.

    CheeseNoodle ,

    I suspect the next step in the ongoing war between people who want to make websites unuseable and people who want to use websites is going to be some kind of spoofing method to keep browsing. Maybe your secure browser of choice runs a regular chrome instance as intended and then scrapes the non-add data from that process and presents it to you in an add free format.

    Gerula ,

    Pair it up with DDG + Protonmail and world will smile to you! 😄

    mimichuu_ ,

    I prefer startpage or Qwant. Protonmail is great though!

    emokidforever ,

    When will they understand, if I’m introduced to your product through an advertisement, I do not want to buy it. I will make a point not to. Do not annoy me. If your product is good enough, it will be bought.

    bellsDoSing ,

    I’m in the same boat as you. But considering there’s this thing called the “ad industry”, there’s bound to be a considerable portion of people that are influenced enough by ads, even just at a subconcious level, that investing money into ads is a worthwhile thing to do for businesses selling products and businesses offering ad platforms.

    PastorHaggis ,
    @PastorHaggis@lemmy.world avatar

    I think that, to good day, the only item I have ever bought because of an ad was my eargasm ear plugs. I may have seen them somewhere else first but an ad popped up and I happened to be in the market so I got them and don’t regret it at all. Otherwise I buy things because I do the research, not because they push the ads out.

    Neve8028 ,

    Ad companies figured out that sales are much better with whatever publicity they can get, even bad publicity. It doesn’t work with some people, like you, but they haven statistically proven that just getting their name out in any capacity will increase sales.

    serpineslair ,

    I am also very worried about the privacy implications of storing these tokens (as mentioned in the post).

    asunaspersonalasst ,
    @asunaspersonalasst@lemmy.world avatar

    Why has Google have gone to this, becoming greedy bastards?

    bufordt ,
    @bufordt@sh.itjust.works avatar

    It all started when they removed “Don’t be evil” from their mission statement.

    uberkalden ,

    Their entire business model revolves around ads. It’s what they do

    Laticauda ,

    There are no laws stating that we have to watch or see ads, so forcing us to watch them feels like a huge overstep. Companies shouldn’t be able to have this much control over a public service.

    capr ,

    so forcing us to watch them feels like a huge overstep.

    We live in a fascist society so I wouldn’t be suprised of their audacity…

    gigachad ,

    Where are you from?

    ThisIsMyLemmyLogin ,
    @ThisIsMyLemmyLogin@lemmy.world avatar

    I find it disturbing that there are people out there who spend much of their time thinking about new ways to get people to see adverts. Surely it falls under the “bullshit jobs” category that David Graeber once wrote about.

    spark947 ,

    It’s not just that there are people thinking about it, it’s that this is what our brightest minds in our society are incentivized to think about.

    There is a joke in tech circles - if you are smart enough you eventually end up in ad tech. It’s really unhealthy for our society.

    HeavyDogFeet ,
    @HeavyDogFeet@lemmy.world avatar

    I hate shitty ads as much as the next person, but you’re ignoring how much of the internet runs on advertising money. Think of all the websites, services, apps, etc that you use that are “free” (read: ad-supported) — without ad revenue, a large percentage of them would be too expensive to run.

    I’m not saying ad-tech companies/people are always good, many of them clearly do unethical shit, but the idea that you’re being forced to see ads is kind of crazy. You always have the option to not use ad-supported stuff, it’s just a lot more limiting and expensive.

    RubberElectrons ,
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m ok with that. The internet was a lot weirder and more interesting when people were creating their own services and sites. We’re on an ad-free, donation-based platform right this very second.

    No banks and their policies to answer to, just some regular folks and their weird lemmy servers. You like it? Cool. You don’t? Also cool.

    minikieff ,

    The double post to demonstrate the weirdness of Lemmy is a nice touch.

    RubberElectrons ,
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    Whoops. Fixed, hahaha

    HeavyDogFeet ,
    @HeavyDogFeet@lemmy.world avatar

    Your point doesn’t make sense. Even back when people where creating their own services and sites (which they still are, it’s not like that has ever stopped) there was still often ad-funding when those things grew to a scale where donations alone couldn’t support them.

    And yes, lemmy is ad-free. That’s doesn’t mean the model will work for everything else. Ad-support can be a great way of keeping something accessible and free for people who can’t or won’t pay for it. It’s not always a bad thing.

    diyrebel ,

    The heart of your stance is apparently that pernicious socially harmful mechanisms are okay as long as they finance something useful. Correct?

    Or is it that you don’t see the harms of advertising?

    Advertising is a wasteful arms race. Bob may not want to spend money advertising his business, but if Mallory (his competitor) spends money on ads, then Bob is forced to spend money on ads to recover marketshare loss due to Mallory’s ads.

    HeavyDogFeet ,
    @HeavyDogFeet@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s a pretty disingenuous interpretation of what I said. But I get it, you don’t like advertising so it has to be completely evil with no redeeming qualities or nuance.

    Valmond ,

    Oh you talked about the good ads!

    Really, I have yet to see an ad that is not just trying to enter your brain with force and malice.

    It’s just getting worse too, the “Buy Acme product!” image is now a +100% loudness jump-scare video on auto-pay.

    RubberElectrons ,
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t know that your counterpoint makes much sense either. Just because the web has devolved into a centralized ad-powered mess doesn’t mean that’s how things should operate. And I do mean mess, consider the many overlapping, sometimes competing rules each advertiser has the right to impose on the location their ads may appear.

    I personally consider advertisements to be psychological warfare, an unfortunate requirement for business today. If we allow the “local maximum” that advertising is to fester, the number of spaces and the amount of time occupied by ads pretty much is required to steadily increase.

    Let’s just… Not do it. AdBlock, open-source browsers and services to promote privacy, while making it clear that the money to run the servers has to come from somewhere.

    I donate to Wikipedia every year. Signal, proton, several git projects… If you can help, please do. If you can’t/won’t, we’ll try to keep the ship moving along anyway.

    HeavyDogFeet ,
    @HeavyDogFeet@lemmy.world avatar

    I donate to a bunch of projects and pay for ad-free services too, but that doesn’t mean that all ad-funded things are bad or that all advertising is evil.

    Monetisation in general has ruined the internet in many ways, but that extends beyond just ad-based monetisation. Subscriptions, excessive upgrade pricing, in app purchases and dlcs, etc. it all plays a part in the problem, but people like to blame it all on advertising for some because (at least from what I’ve seen) they largely don’t really understand the thing they’re talking about.

    RubberElectrons ,
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    Erm… I didn’t see where anyone blamed it all on ads alone. Haven’t seen anyone else proselytizing their usage either.

    But that’d almost seem like a mischaracterization eh? We’re on the same page, trying to ‘win’ an argument nobody’s having makes one of us look a bit goofy.

    Crisps ,

    A lot of ads should be banned for environmental reasons alone. From junk mail, lit up signs, eyesore billboards, and all the power wasted in digital ads.

    SuperSpruce ,

    The big reasons I’m against this is all the side effects. Yes, there will be more ads, but there will also be:

    1. More autoplaying videos on article websites
    2. Increased risk of malware from ads
    3. Decreased competition in the browser space
    4. Decreased competition in the OS space
    5. More tracking and data harvesting
    Semenaisse ,

    I’ve tried internet without adblock and it’s almost unusable.

    capr ,

    On banking websites, yes.

    DacoTaco ,
    @DacoTaco@lemmy.world avatar

    You know something is wrong if your bank’s website needs adblocking. No wonder the internet has gone to shit… Is it that bad in other countries? ( i live in a country where bank sites dont have ads )

    capr ,

    I live in the US. If I turn on uBlock for banking websites, they often don’t work.

    Zak ,
    @Zak@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s usually some analytics script, which as recent events with tax preparers have shown ought to be blocked as a security risk.

    DacoTaco ,
    @DacoTaco@lemmy.world avatar

    Analytics and my money. Ye no, those dont mix

    washashore ,

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    Misconduct ,

    Have you seen any commercials recently? They are something else. Either the most generic basic standard commercial or wtf did I just watch. There’s no in-between lol. I genuinely thought a couple were in the movie I was watching because it was about a bad advertising company lol

    Hyphlosion ,
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    This message is brought to you by Lightspeed Briefs! 🩲

    wanderingmagus ,

    Reject internet, return to book. Mmm, words.

    MercuryUprising ,

    The last time I remember watching television must’ve been the early 2000s, and I remember watching a movie on TBS. They used to have commercial blocks every 20 minutes or so, which was a little annoying still, but at this point watching a movie was a commercial break every 5-8 minutes. It wasn’t enough to get through a single scene sometimes, which is like somebody snatching a book out of your hand to tell you about products for three minutes as you’re mid-chapter.

    I started just buying DVDs instead and ended up with a great little library full of movies that I hand picked and all the special features that came with them. If the internet turns into what TV was like in those days, I’ll simply start blocking sites that run heavy with ads and only white-list websites that respect an ad-free ecosystem.

    SocialMediaRefugee ,

    If I have to FF past the same damn ad for an ear wax pressure washer one more time I’m going to scream.

    Ascend910 ,

    Maybe we should create another internet?

    Agent641 ,

    Something you can yell out during sex, like “Pied Piper!”

    trellbrown23 ,
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    R. Kelly has entered the bedroom…

    yiliu ,

    Kinda what we’re doing here, right?

    morgan_423 ,
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    With blackjack? And hookers?

    guybrush ,

    This was my thought as well. I’m not against ads though, but there has to be some limits to it.

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