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jantin ,

Back when Threads got released someone told me on Lemmy that Meta will not pull an EEE on ActivotyPub because something something antitrust Microsoft long ago millions of dollars.

How is Manifestv3 different?

shotgun_crab ,

What a cursed timeline this is

HotsauceHurricane ,

Google engineers need to fuck off.

MaxPower ,
@MaxPower@feddit.de avatar

Google engineers needs to fuck off.

Fixed that for you

HotsauceHurricane ,

👍

jtmetcalfe ,

I can’t imagine anyone who uses the internet thinking the current ad technology is effective, the web is broken because of ads

dartos ,

Bc of ads? Ads are mostly fine, the web is broken because of platforms. Like there’s only a handful of sites the entire planet uses and they’re all owned by like 4 tech giants (and Reddit)

vacuumflower ,

It’s broken because of platforms working for people, which happens because there’s not too much, but too little fragmentation.

For a couple decades corps and their fans were communicating from every orifice that fragmentation is bad, it’s bad for developers, it’s bad for users, it’s bad for business and so on.

Despite this being not only wrong, but also counterintuitive, as we should all be familiar with how things work in nature, about evolution and competition and diversity.

over_clox ,

Assuming all ads are legit and don’t contain some sketchy script to activate your webcam or scan your cookies (hint: haha, living in lala land if you trust all ads!), have you ever checked what percentage of your bandwidth gets wasted on advertising?

dartos ,

I’m not saying ads are perfect, but they’re not the thing that’s strangling and ruining the internet. They’ve always been a part of it.

But also like any website can run arbitrary code like that. Most ad platforms don’t allow their customers to just have arbitrary js.

over_clox ,

They have not always been a part of the net, I can guarantee you that. Used to have my own totally free site back around 1999/2000 or so. No ads whatsoever, written entirely from Notepad.

Please don’t try telling me the history of the net before you were born.

dartos ,

So first, you don’t know my age. Don’t be weird.

Second, just because you ran a personal site without ads doesn’t mean ads weren’t part of the internet…

over_clox ,

And no, arbitrary internet code didn’t exist before Java came out in 1996.

When that came out, I already sensed it was the beginning of the end…

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_(software_platform)

dartos ,

Okay, buddy

Alperto ,

Related: lemmy.world/post/2235459

So, we will be forced to see ads, while they can’t yet control who’s publishing those ads. I wonder why Google (and any other ad company) hasn’t been sued yet for showing and infecting malware into the people who click on their ads. Maybe is not that critical or easy for a domestic user, but corporations or governments?

And it’s not because it’s impossible to verify malware before accepting their ads, it’s because THEY DONT CARE. If they can detect music on videos for copyright claims, they can analyze everything, they can also verify publishers. And if they can’t with an algorithm, they should use humans to manually verify publishers.

MercuryUprising ,

Yeah, but doing that won’t get them bonuses for hitting KPIs. They let the malware through because it means the company buying the adspace is buying adspace. Everything else doesn’t factor into their targets and quarterly goals.

Chunk ,

Facebook literally facilitated a genocide in Myanmar. These companies are not legally liable for anything they serve.

Bipta ,

Per the article, this is already being integrated into Chromium as we speak, as in days ago: https://github.com/chromium/chromium/commit/6f47a22906b2899412e79a2727355efa9cc8f5bd

PrincessLeiasCat ,
@PrincessLeiasCat@lemmy.world avatar

In recent news, Google has put forth a proposal known as the “Web Environment Integrity Explainer”, authored by four of its engineers.

Imagine someone telling you this is your job and you do it.

transientpunk ,
@transientpunk@sh.itjust.works avatar

You could just do it poorly

100_kg_90_de_belin ,

People have used “I was told to do it” to justify worse things

Ascend910 ,

Maybe we should create another internet?

Agent641 ,

Something you can yell out during sex, like “Pied Piper!”

trellbrown23 ,
@trellbrown23@lemmy.world avatar

R. Kelly has entered the bedroom…

yiliu ,

Kinda what we’re doing here, right?

morgan_423 ,
@morgan_423@lemmy.world avatar

With blackjack? And hookers?

guybrush ,

This was my thought as well. I’m not against ads though, but there has to be some limits to it.

Koba ,

this is why I’m switching to firefox

theneverfox ,

Forced to implement is the wrong term - they were tasked with designing it. They can’t just swap one person out for another - losing the lead dev or designer would be delay or kill the effort

They could’ve pushed back - software ethics is a required course for very good reason - but it’s easy to never ask if you should do something and skip straight to how. It gets easier to skip that piece every time, and the company isn’t going to respect it - we need outside pressure so they can point to us and say “this will have repercussions”

They don’t deserve death threats, but trashing everything they push on GitHub is fair. Measured steady pressure - save the most extreme stuff for upper management and shareholders

For the engineers you have to make them understand they did bad and they should feel bad, they need to feel that their peers have lost respect for them, not that this is the public lashing out

DeriHunter ,

Your notion is just wrong. First of all engineers can’t push back on something like this. They can try to push back on stuff that might be wrong for the product, that is not performant or potentially break stuff, but not on something that can make the company so much money. If this is the roadmap, they must align, they are being paid (tons of money) to implement the company’s vision.

Second of all, you are looking at this as a consumer perspective. They are part of the company and most likely heavily invested in it. And if such thing will increase the company’s revenue, it will icrease theirs too. They won’t feel bad trust me, they know where they are and what they’re doing.

Powerpoint ,

That’s where the ethics part comes into play. They’re not being ethical.

Oka ,

It’s NOT the engineers. It’s the executives and corporate management that decides that. The engineers just get paid to implement it.

ZeroHora ,
@ZeroHora@lemmy.world avatar

Never blame the workers

LemmyRefugee ,

I think the key is not Firefox but Apple. If Apple does not join the DRM web future, Google cannot force it.

Corgana ,
@Corgana@startrek.website avatar

Unfortunately Apple has a much worse track record than Google when it comes to giving it’s customers control over their own hardware and software.

christian ,
@christian@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m using an android phone because apple doesn’t allow anything like fdroid to exist on iphone.

Auli ,

Apple well support it if the web as a whole does.

TheCee ,
@TheCee@programming.dev avatar

Well… httptoolkit.com/…/apple-private-access-tokens-att…

seasonone OP ,

Apple has already joined DRN web future. Read Here:- opidea.xyz/post/4785

Widowmaker_Best_Girl ,

Yeah, but fuck if I am ever going to use Apple products when they treat their users like dumbasses who aren’t allowed to own what they buy.

Promptly_Counting ,
@Promptly_Counting@lemmy.world avatar

Bro tried to counter Google with Apple, which is arguably worse.

LemmyRefugee ,

I was talking about number of users, not evil companies.

-sent with my iPhone ultraX

_number8_ ,

imagine working on shit like this. like wouldn’t that make your life worse as well? how fucking malignant

fsxylo ,

Basically adware.

MonsiuerPatEBrown ,

“Curse googles sudden but constant betrayal!”

Alfaspyke ,

Ah how I miss firefly and Wash 😭 Time for a re-watch!

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