There have been multiple accounts created with the sole purpose of posting advertisement posts or replies containing unsolicited advertising.

Accounts which solely post advertisements, or persistently post them may be terminated.

MonkderZweite , (edited )

Welp, there we go.

I’m working on the contrary, some sort of gemini web plus with modules, to keep the engine as small as possible to make porting/reinventions easier. The engine only provides basics like displaying text. Modules provide functionality like ‘video player’, gallery’, ‘search bar with filters’, ‘login’, keeping webshops, company pages, etc. in mind. There’s no JS or CSS, the styling is entirely in the hand of the browser/user (including dark mode, mobile view), the servers push only content. Likewise, active logins and payments will be handled by the browser, not the webpage. Though it will not be compatible with HTTPS/the current web. The protocol and the browser will be licensed open source.

I’m still planning, it’s not even in the prototype phase yet. Should i push this further? If so, how would i get financial support? opentech.fund, ngi.edu, nlnet?

LemmyRefugee ,

I think the key is not Firefox but Apple. If Apple does not join the DRM web future, Google cannot force it.

Corgana ,
@Corgana@startrek.website avatar

Unfortunately Apple has a much worse track record than Google when it comes to giving it’s customers control over their own hardware and software.

christian ,
@christian@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m using an android phone because apple doesn’t allow anything like fdroid to exist on iphone.

Auli ,

Apple well support it if the web as a whole does.

TheCee ,
@TheCee@programming.dev avatar

Well… httptoolkit.com/…/apple-private-access-tokens-att…

seasonone OP ,

Apple has already joined DRN web future. Read Here:- opidea.xyz/post/4785

Widowmaker_Best_Girl ,

Yeah, but fuck if I am ever going to use Apple products when they treat their users like dumbasses who aren’t allowed to own what they buy.

Promptly_Counting ,
@Promptly_Counting@lemmy.world avatar

Bro tried to counter Google with Apple, which is arguably worse.

LemmyRefugee ,

I was talking about number of users, not evil companies.

-sent with my iPhone ultraX

Koba ,

this is why I’m switching to firefox

CummandoX ,

Alright, today is oficially the day I switch to Firefox

sheogorath ,

Come here, I left Firefox when Chrome first released, however after the Firefox Quantum release, I got back to using Firefox again. The container tabs feature is very useful to create a separate container for each project that I’m involved in. It’s like having multiple browsers without needing to install multiple browsers.

Although I still keep Vivaldi and Edge installed to visit some websites that doesn’t work correctly with Firefox.

ElvenMithril ,

Yay!

MarkHughes4096 ,

Firefox, DuckDuckGo, Protonmail is my setup. I am slowy getting away from Google and all massive corps tbh, I’m spending more time on my Linux partition too.

obinice ,
@obinice@lemmy.world avatar

I really need to ween myself off the Internet so that, once it becomes an unusable hellhole in the next 20 years or so, I’ll be able to give it up entirely and move on to better things.

Sjotroll ,

Yeah, I’ve never even thought about modern life without the use of internet for everything else other than professional work, just like I’ve never thought possible for me to stop using Reddit. But now thanks to spez I stopped using Reddit, and I can now really imagine a world where I don’t surf the internet for fun. Part of me wants the internet to become an unusable hellhole.

mexicancartel ,

There will always be websites for us. Better websites who care about their users. Websites that still support firefox. So we only need to stay away from the hellhole websites and chromium based browsers

diyrebel ,

The problem is search engines have proven not to keep up with our needs. Sites trashed up with cookie popups, subscription nags, and CAPTCHAs are making it into the highest ranks of search results. Cloudflare sites in particular.

mexicancartel ,

I didn’t say many sites will be favourable for us. But atleast there will be some sites.

We have have wiby.me for search websites with no fancy graphics, and all your concerns. Results are usually programmer centric though. Tried for 2-3 hours to find the name of this search engine lol

diyrebel , (edited )

I was thrilled when .me was first introduced. Then for a while wiby.me was itself a Tor-hostile Cloudflare site. I’m glad you brought it up because it prompted me to check again & it seems at the moment wiby is a user-respecting non-Cloudflare site. Note there was another search engine similar to wiby which I can’t track down right now… but it’s possible I’m confusing that other one with wiby. Err… I think both were unusable for a while.

(edit) The other site is search·marginalia·nu. That’s the one that became a despicable CF site. I think wiby broke down for tor users for a while but glad to see at the moment that it’s still usable. I just got good results when searching for a recipe.

willy096 ,

Sometimes it is unbelievable. They want to make the Internet their own, following their model… luckily there will always be people fighting to keep the Internet free, where anyone can decide, in this case, whether to swallow ads or not

diyrebel ,

It is indeed another attack on principles.

luckily there will always be people fighting to keep the Internet free

Google’s move makes the fight much more uphill for freedom fighters. The real problem is the masses of pawns who fail to vote with their feet. Some of them voted with their feet merely because CAPTCHA is inconvenient. Eliminating the CAPTCHA puts these users on the wrong side of the fight.

SCB ,

keep the internet free

Never see ads

Gonna have to pick one

MercuryUprising ,

Absolutely untrue. People run websites and pay for their servers themselves. People inherently want to post stuff on the internet and many websites don’t have ads at all. Think of pretty much every old blog that used to exist, or every portfolio page for an artist. I will simply stop using Google’s internet and that will be that. I pretty much already have to be honest, Google results are absolute dog shit.

SCB ,

Cool man, do you. Totally respect that.

I do remember old school GeoShitties and blogs tho. Livejournal most assuredly had ads: bradfitz.com/misc/bct/

MercuryUprising ,

I loved Geocities. I personally had like five different pages on it, including one that acted like a virtual tour of a video game world I used to play where you would navigate through map screens and could “talk” to characters. My friends and I would also have a communal page, which worked like our own mini-reddit where we would post cool shit, and then webring to our individual sites. I also currently have an ad-free website, which I operate and create all the content for myself.

SCB ,

Geocities was dope AF man!

TikTok is the closest thing we have to a mainstream recreation of those days, if you curate your feed properly. It was truly the Silver Age of the internet

postmateDumbass ,

Destruction of the Commons is key to capitalism.

The internet is a huge ripe field to exploit.

The destruction of the free resource is a consequence of how we organize society.

traveler01 ,

Even though people on Lemmy hate Elon Musk and what he’s doing to Twitter (there’s a lot of hate against him here, since most people are left leaning), he got the message loud and clear: People are tired of ads and of platforms that eat through our personal data like Google and Meta.

All his actions with Twitter is to steer Twitter away from the advertising system. My guess is, he wants advertising to be a non-essencial source of revenue, hence he switching the name of the platform to X.

My guess is that he’s planning to make a super-app with multiple services, so there will be:

  • X Twitter
  • X Pay
  • X Banking … etc,

These other services will provide the other revenue the platform needs.

Why did I brought this up? It’s because Google and Meta failed to see the message and they’re going on a downward spiral. Google has been trying to charge more and more on subscriptions on YouTube for example, but that’s not nearly enough to cover the percentage of the advertising revenue. And now instead of trying to find new solutions they’re doubling down on advertising revenue strategy by making ad blocking unusable in the most used browser engine.

Zeppo ,
@Zeppo@sh.itjust.works avatar

The “everything app” always comes down to adding financial services. Anything else? Not really. So social networking and videos plus banking. Personally, I think musk is a moron for pursuing this - maybe he hasn’t noticed that it isn’t 2001 anymore and there are plenty of established companies in the field. His actions make his company seem very untrustworthy. Also social networking + banking is a terrible combination. What’s the point? I would never, ever sign up to send payments through “x”.

kicksystem ,

Smart people coming up with smart ideas to do dumb things. When will we start shaming such people?

LifeInMultipleChoice , (edited )

When companies stop paying them so much for making them more money.

corstian ,

Am I the only one thinking these trust tokens are not going to prevent bots from scraping websites?

Eventually, somewhere, someone will just develop the infrastructure to work their way around this, right?

diyrebel ,

It would stop beneficial bots like the ones I create¹ as a small-time hobbyist because the little guy does not have the resources for this arms race. You may be right when it comes to large-scale scraping ops that are done by a business (e.g. scraping RyanAir or Southwest airlines so an airfare consolidation site can show more fares).

① e.g. I wrote a bot that scraped the real estate market sites, scraped the public transport sites, and found me a house with the shortest public transport commute.

SIGSEGV ,
@SIGSEGV@waveform.social avatar

Are you willing to share the source for said bot?

diyrebel , (edited )

It was coded 8 years ago in Tcl¹ for a one-off project in Belgium. Would you really be interested?

The APIs would have changed dramatically by now & some of the real estate sites no longer exist. Some of the sites brought in CAPTCHAs. It was coded to use Tor & the public transport site has become Tor-hostile and also changed their API. It’s also very user unfriendly… a collection of scripts & variety of hacks because I was my only user.

I didn’t publish the code at the time because I worried that it would trigger the target sites to become bot-hostile.

① Also note that I use Tcl for personal use but I resist publishing any Tcl code because I would rather not promote the Tcl language. Why? Because the Tcl folks have jailed a large portion of their docs in Cloudflare’s walled garden. I believe programming language docs should be openly public.

SIGSEGV ,
@SIGSEGV@waveform.social avatar

I wouldn’t be trying to use or adapt it; it was more of an intellectual curiosity. I haven’t written scrapers or used Tcl, so, yeah, I would be interested to take a peek :-)

I’d like to write something similar, but I’d probably use Lisp or Python.

heimchen ,

How would this impact selenium based bots?

diyrebel ,

Perhaps not at all.

But the limitation of using is a big one. Being forced to work in java, forced to use the resource hog of a modern gui browser, forced to reveal more browserprint info, being browser-dependent, etc. Selenium is my last choice when desperation is sufficiently high.

diyrebel , (edited )

Ad pushing is only part of the problem… These tokens will kill the Wayback machine. It’s anti-library tech.

Anti-bot tech is inherently anti-human.

SpaceCadet ,
@SpaceCadet@lemmy.world avatar

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    PipedLinkBot ,

    Here is an alternative Piped link(s): piped.video/watch?v=s7WDbnHlc1E

    Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

    I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.

    zerkrazus , (edited )

    Similar things are done with TV and streaming unfortunately. You ever notice how commercials/ads have louder volume than whatever content you’re watching? It’s intentional. If you’re someone who doesn’t skip them and doesn’t mute them, they want you to be able to hear them from another room and then they hope you’ll come back to see the ad. It’s so dumb.

    Valmond ,

    Yeah and as it’s illegal to bump up the volume (where I live) they bump up loudness instead, making the sound crappy but it’s perceived as higher volume. God I hate that crap

    m3t00 ,
    @m3t00@lemmy.world avatar

    challenge accepted

    diyrebel ,

    Challenge rejected.

    If you want challenge, just simply try to find a search engine that filters out shitty websites (e.g. Cloudflare sites, CAPTCHA-pushing sites, giant cookie popups, countless dark patterns).

    We are already failing to meet the challenge. We don’t need more challenges.

    m3t00 ,
    @m3t00@lemmy.world avatar

    we? ya no. choose your weapons; adblock, uMatrix, noScript… impossible using default settings maybe. who does that Gma 😂

    diyrebel ,

    The weapons you mention are quite basic. Those don’t even begin to scratch the surface unless you’re using the internet the way most normies do.

    Spruce1538 ,

    why has no news site also added, “and they are using their monopoly over the web to do it” as part of their title. 😭

    HotsauceHurricane ,

    Google engineers need to fuck off.

    MaxPower ,
    @MaxPower@feddit.de avatar

    Google engineers needs to fuck off.

    Fixed that for you

    HotsauceHurricane ,

    👍

    CoolBeance ,
    @CoolBeance@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t know if it’s the Google engineers that “want” to do this

    Bardfinn ,

    As a Google engineer I support this proposal. Why? Because it will make me money. And the best part is we will do this no matter how much you complain because you cannot stop us. We’re all laughing at you guys and your impotent seething on Blind.

    Valmond ,

    We’ll just won’t look at your website then.

    andy_wijaya_med ,
    @andy_wijaya_med@lemmy.world avatar

    Would you get more money doing this? How?

    sergih123 ,

    lmao imagine geniuenly thinking that if your company makes more money you’ll also get more money 😭😭.

    If it ever makes 10% more, be lucky that they bump your salary by 2%

    Also, you do realize you are just as affected by this? I’m pretty sure, as a tech savvy person, you have ads removed, because you know how bad of an experience you have when they’re on, enjoy that too if this ever comes into place, as of now, I’ll keep using Firefox.

    Bardfinn ,

    lmao I get paid in RSUs.

    random8847 ,

    Not sure if troll or just an asshole.

    HurlingDurling ,

    Judging by his comment history it feels like he is an asshole

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