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UnderpantsWeevil ,
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My office is currently forcing us on to Win 11.

Feels bad man.

FortuneMisteller ,

Does your office have a choice or have they been caught in the permanent obsolescence game? Often one single professional app that provides new versions only for W11 does the trick.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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We’re a Microsoft shop, so we’ve been flies caught in the ointment since day one. I wish it was one app. We’re all in - Teams, Office, Visual Studio, Outlook, the works.

I’d say I don’t really understand the rush, but we were supposed to be live with Win11 last year. I guess in this particular case, my office’s dysfunction has worked in my favor.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Lol.

We’re also largely a Microsoft shop (Teams, Office, Outlook, Github, etc), but our department uses macOS, mostly because our IT is stubborn about locking down our systems and the easiest way to get an exception is to say we “need” macOS, otherwise we’d probably be on Windows. Honestly, if my company used Windows, I wouldn’t be working there, I hate Visual Studio (I use ViM), and my entire workflow just doesn’t work on Windows (I use Linux at home). I honestly can’t remember the last time I booted Windows.

Maybe there’s not much you can do, which sucks. But if your entire team doesn’t like Windows 11, perhaps you can look into an exception by saying you need something else. Most Microsoft stuff works fine on macOS, so find some killer feature of macOS that your team totally needs and maybe you can get an exception. That would be a lot easier than convincing them you need to stay on Win10 since WIn10 well stop getting support at some point, so paying for the longer-term support probably isn’t worth it for your company.

nexussapphire ,

It’s better than being stuck on a version of windows that slowly drifts further away from the last security update it recived. I wonder how many companies out there don’t pay for support but don’t upgrade.

Sabata11792 ,
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I think we have 2 deploys Windows 11 machines. I assume the boss had a personal vendetta.

unphazed ,

Hope you enjoy combined tasks in your taskbar…

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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FortuneMisteller ,

It seems that permanent obsolescence is beginning to cost too much for the users. I hope they will all keep dragging their feet, but will be a tough fight because friendly providers of professional tools will keep releasing the new versions only for Windows 11, eventually they will force some to upgrade.

thorbot ,

October 2025 has entered the chat

pastermil ,

LTSC has entered the chat

thorbot ,

Windows XP has been in the chat this whole time

xapr ,

Has entered the Enterprise-only chat. :)

justme ,

Good that my windows 7 system still runs when I need it once a year ^^

pastermil ,

Ah yes, the good ol tax season.

Mio ,

How many % of these 70% can’t upgrade to windows 11 due to hardware limitation?

accideath ,

Probably a fair share. The hardware requirements aren’t unreasonably high but a lot of people (like myself) are running hardware that is 10+ years old because why not? Still works fine, if you don’t need that much power.

Not that I’d run Win 11 anyways. Tried it, was a pretty but nonfunctional mess, downgraded to 10 at first and upgraded to Linux later.

JackbyDev ,

It’s so wild how Windows boasts about backwards compatibility but doesn’t support hardware from 2010. It’s literally a fully functional 64 bit system but it doesn’t have SecureBoot so it won’t let me install 11.

Honytawk ,

That is because they are still required to improve their software, and that means sometimes cutting off a part of their support. Especially when it comes to security.

But hey, support for hardware that is 10 years old is unfortunately still way ahead of the competition, Mac can’t hold a candle.

And you could still bypass the TPM requirement with some elbow grease.

JackbyDev ,

If I bypass the TPM requirement, will it break in the future?

accideath ,

Well, it‘s software bloatbackward compatibility, not for hardware.

And to be fair, that actually works quite well. Had a 20 y/o negative scanner driver that I could install relatively easily on windows 10. The first party macOS driver stopped working more than a decade ago (needs PowerPC compatibility) and the only modern third party driver software that gets it to work on Win, Mac and Linux costs 100€.

Rose ,

They absolutely are unreasonably high. My barely overclocked 6700K is sufficient for virtually every new or slightly older game I throw at it, but somehow it’s not enough for the OS?

accideath ,

It’s absolutely supported if you have SucureBoot and TPM 2.0 support. Sure, it’s not on the official support list but that’s probably because those features weren’t standard yet in that generation and it’s not tested and verified. It’ll still work fine though.

Also, performance is not everything. Support for certain instruction sets is usually the problem, when newer operating systems drop support for older chips. Of course that’s not it in this case, Skylake and Coffeelake are essentially identical and the latter does have official support.

JohnEdwa ,

It’s not about the speed - the minimum requirements for Win 11 are a 1Ghz dual-core processor and 4GB of RAM- it’s because of the processor generation. Not sure if there’s been an official explanation, but the going consensus is that they aren’t going to officially support almost anything that is susceptible to Meltdown or Spectre.
That doesn’t mean Win 11 doesn’t work or couldn’t be installed on that hardware, they just don’t officially support it.

Rose ,

There are already precedents of software (the Riot games) and the OS itself refusing to work if the requirements are bypassed, so it’s a very risky move that nobody should choose for their main OS.

Moorshou ,

Do note that POPCNT instruction is required.

If you were to install windows 11 on some Intel core 2 Duo’s

-Linux mint user

JohnEdwa ,

SSE4.2 specifically, POPCNT is part of that. It was introduced in 2008, while the previous requirement for Win 10, Win 8, and in Win 7 after a 2018 update has been SSE2 from 2000. So Windows 11 bumps the oldest hardware requirement from 18 years up when introduces to 16/17 years.

FWIW, I believe from Linux Mint 20 onward it doesn’t have 32-bit builds so it isn’t compatible with processors that don’t support x86-64, and the first Intel processor to support that is from 2004.

JackbyDev ,

I’m in this boat. My current setup’s motherboard is from just before TPM and SecureBoot were around.

almost1337 ,

Likewise

xapr ,

Plus one.

kaffiene ,

That’s me. I have a pretty decent computer but it can’t run win11. Ill be buggered if I’m getting a new PC just to make win11 run

Lemonparty ,

Mine can run it but requires reinstalling my entire OS because something in the bios wasn’t enabled before it was installed. I mean…okay that’s certainly a design choice but I’m 100% not doing that

LifeInMultipleChoice ,

Likely the TPM chip. It is required for Windows Hello, Bitlocker, and a few other things to enhance security. Works much like a RSA token, if the code from the chip doesn’t match the code on the hard drive it assumes tampering and will lock entry. The encrypted drive (Bitlocker) or the OS will require the Bitlocker recovery key to boot the OS (Decrypt the drive) and the password instead of the Face ID/ PIN/fingerprint you used to make access quicker. Most devices didn’t have TPM 2.0 till recently, which is the version used by Windows 11 I believe.

If you don’t encrypt said drive or attach the Microsoft accounts as they recommend anyone can grab the drive, reset the account password or just pull all your files from the drive from another OS. It’s all forced security because the views/legal responsibility keeps looking at the companies to produce the products and blaming them for not securing their users instead of the users securing themselves.

Lemonparty ,

I don’t think it would matter what it was, I’m not doing an entire OS reinstall to “upgrade” to an inferior experience. If it can’t apply the update itself, it’s not going on until it absolutely has to, and even then it’s looking more likely to be Linux next boot install.

soggy_kitty ,

I built my PC 2 years ago with brand new parts (at that time) but still have hardware limitation message lol

jonasw ,

How lol? What does it complain about?

soggy_kitty ,

It doesn’t give me any details but tbh I’m in no rush to diagnose it. If it means it won’t ever try to auto update itself I’m in the best position I can be

mechoman444 ,

The only reason I still even use Windows is because of destiny 2. That’s pretty much the only game I play. If there was a good stable way of doing this on Linux I wouldn’t even use Windows at all.

In fact the only computer in my house that even has windows on it is my gaming rig.

accideath ,

Same. Was running 10 for years, tried 11, hated it, went back to 10 until that got so bad I just installed Linux…

Dicska , (edited )

Same here but with several games that don’t run on Linux. For some degree, I even understand the problem, however painful it is: ANY multilayer’s anticheat is a pain in the ass if you have to develop them for two OSs at the same time. Counter Strike: Source was virtually unbannable on Linux for way too long, and I’m still not sure where CS2 is standing now (I stopped back in the CSGO times).

I really don’t know how we could fix this, and no, cutting off THAT many games I like is not an option (some of them even barely have a (good) alternative - think of Rocket League).

Kethal ,

The only thing I value in Windows 10 or 11 over 7 is better multi monitor support, and even that is not a giant issue. It’s faster, uses less resources, is better organized, and looks nicer, especially nicer than 10 that looks like a lazy highschool kid spent all of a day on it.

Honytawk ,

The things I value 10 and 11 over 7 is the immensely better driver support, more consistent updates, quicker access to important software (right click start), UI that doesn’t look like it belongs in 2010, build-in amazing antivirus that is better than the majority of free and paid antiviruses, compatibility with new software, customizable start menu, actually usable troubleshooters, …

SuperSpruce ,

Agreed but much of this applies to 10 only.

Grofit ,

It saddens me as Windows 8 was absolutely awful and the first step towards the mess we have now. Windows 10 was better but still inconsistent in loads of areas and still felt faffy to use.

If you ignore the ads and bloat ware in Windows 11 it’s not that much better than 10, the UI feels more consistent but still more painful to use than Windows 7.

We have no “good” versions of Windows to use, they are all bad and getting worse, I would love to jump to Linux but that has its own raft of inconsistencies and issues, just different ones.

letsgo ,

I’d be happy to upgrade my laptop to Win11 but Win11 doesn’t like it. I’m not buying a new laptop just because of Win11’s dick moves. Win10 works perfectly well on it.

IzzyScissor ,

You mean consumers DON’T want ads in every aspect of their OS?

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

Hmm… I wonder why Linux has yet to rise.

I mean, we only have like 17 months until support for Windows 10 ends, it’s not like it’s that long.

JackbyDev ,

I’m thinking real hard about making my next system Mint…

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

I’m thinking the same thing with KDE Neon. Idk, Mint just feels WAY too similar to Windows. I get some people like that, but I don’t wanna be reminded of something inferior.

Good luck with your mint.

RobotZap10000 ,

I would absolutely recommend it! It works very well and with the cinnamon version it comes with many cool apps that I would never call bloat. (I never knew that I could watch live TV via internet, thanks Hypnotix!). My biggest issues were the Nvidia drivers for gaming, but I only needed to press 5 buttons to install the proprietary ones, and with Proton all of my games ran just fine. Except for the VR games. That is the only reason why I still keep that other OS on my disk.

Riven ,

I’m gonna start with a baby step. I want to set up a mini pc for my living room streaming. I’m thinking I’ll do Linux on it and dip my toe in the water that way, eventually I’ll transition to Linux on my main pc too once I get the hang of it. Most of what I do is online or open source so Im not locked to programs. It’s mostly games atm, a couple of which won’t run on Linux, league of legends is one if they go ahead with vanguard. I’ll either set up a completely separate mini pc to only play league or quit.

xapr ,

Same here. I’m going to be testing Mint and PopOS! soon.

MajorTom ,

I’ve been thinking on switching to linux on my laptop but I keep reading on the worse battery life on linux.

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

Eh, my lappy has terrible battery life regardless of what OS is running on it, and even then, I always use it plugged it anyway, exactly like Strong Bad (it’s why I used the word “Lappy”)

explodicle ,

You should try booting to a live USB stick. Then you can check how the performance compares on your hardware, without any permanent changes.

neutron ,

It will major corporate and legislative backing to even attempt one. For many end users the desktop pc, if they ever have one, is yet another techie stuff they don’t want to bother themselves with. You don’t simply get them to install a new program, let alone an entirely new operating system. Some do make the leap, however.

Resol ,
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I guess that kinda makes sense.

But we’ll, Ubuntu was basically the average computer user’s introduction to Linux (even if it kinda sucks now), I kinda think it could still do the job fairly well… only for those users to switch to a potentially better distro.

neutron ,

Opening the command prompt in windows is considered ‘hacking’ these days. Using Ubuntu is a big leap.

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

Oh, I use it quite a lot.

Once I spent a few days with Ubuntu, I had a very strong reliance on the terminal for simply installing stuff (because I wanna avoid that Snap Store), it takes some time to learn, but I don’t think it’s that difficult.

CuttingBoard ,

You are correct. This is what MS is counting on. Usability is something MS saw as unnecessary (just a cost) back in the '90s, and instead counting on the ubiquitous nature of windows and the office suite to dominate the market. It will be a quite the hurdle to overcome for any competing operating systems.

rodneylives ,

It has. For the first time, it’s risen to over 4% of market share of desktops: arstechnica.com/…/linux-continues-growing-market-…

Of course this doesn’t count Android or Chromebooks, both of which run Linux on some level.

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

That’s a win.

eronth ,

Win 11 has a bunch of new small frustrations without anything crazy good that makes me want to recommend it over 10. It’s… Just really unclear what benefits I’m actually getting from 11.

CileTheSane ,
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Just really unclear what benefits I’m actually getting from 11.

Better access to ads and improved data gathering!

Oh wait, you’re looking for benefits for the user? Umm… Security updates that will protect you from the vulnerability in Windows 10 that will get leaked as soon as it is no longer supported.

xapr ,

I think this is the best assessment I’ve read yet of Windows 11. I just switched the OS on my work computer with a fresh install of Windows 11 and have run into a handful of issues and frustrations. This thing has been out for like 3 years now. It shouldn’t still be this problematic. I may end up switching to a long-term support version of Windows 10 that goes to 2027 or 2029. Unfortunately that’s only available for Enterprise editions, so I can’t do the same at home. I’m soon going to be dual- and triple-booting Linux at home.

Killer ,

You could still get ltsc at home, just use massgrave to activate it, microsoft support has been caught using it.

xapr ,

Hadn’t heard of it before. Thanks.

odelik ,

There’s one feature that win11 has over win10 that I wish was there, and that’s the default layout manager is superior to windows 10’s, and less fidgety and better hotkeys than what’s offered with Power Toys. Especially vertical monitor support, which win10s layout manager never got an update for. And as a Tie-Fighter monitor setup user (4k portrait, WQHD landscape, 4k portrait) having an effective layout manager is crucial.

However, there’s 3rdParty layout managers that are even better than the win11 implementation. Butt to be able to get the default support of an effective layout manager is quite nice.

That said, that’s the only feature I really like aside from some nominal improvements/optimizations to background systems (network stack, Bluetooth management, “game mode”) and services. That’s not enough for me to transition when there’s so many other things that were done to make it a worse experince.

I’m excited to transition my personal desktop to PopOS once win10 reaches EoL. Maybe Valve will drop their latest SteamOS in time for the Win10 EoL hoping to attract all those gamers on non-TPM 2.0 supported systems that are still great gaming rigs. I know I’d at least give it a go.

Psythik ,

If you have an HDR monitor, then 11 is worth upgrading to. AutoHDR makes things so easy; it just works. No need to even bother with calibrating anything; no need to worry about switching it off when going back to SDR content, either. All you gotta do is flip the “Use HDR” switch, set HDR tone mapping to “Auto” on your monitor, and then forget about it. That’s it, couldn’t be easier.

Meanwhile in 10, I have to turn off HDR every time I go back to SDR content, and in KDE, HDR doesn’t even work properly yet on my LG C1. Neither issue exists in 11. HDR just works.

Infernal_pizza ,
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I’ve got Windows 11 on my work laptop and the only 2 benefits I’ve seen are notepad now has tabs and auto save, and snipping tool can now record videos. On the downsides the new start menu is so shit I only ever use it for search now, which is also shit (it frequently misses the first few letters when I press the windows key and start typing), and the new right click menu is annoying.

sramder ,
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I’m really loving this journey for them 🥰

festus ,

Looks like Microsoft needs to further enhance the consumer experience by adding more personalized product recommendations, that’ll fix it right up!

phoenixz ,

You mean ads. Just call em ads

NickwithaC ,
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Rose ,

Since XP, I always upgraded to the next version whenever it came out. The insane hardware requirements of Windows 11 make it the only exception.

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