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People are getting fed up with all the useless tech in their cars — For the first time in 28 years of JD Power’s car owner survey, there is a consecutive year-over-year decline in satisfaction, wit...

People are getting fed up with all the useless tech in their cars — For the first time in 28 years of JD Power’s car owner survey, there is a consecutive year-over-year decline in satisfaction, wit…::People are dissatisfied with the technology in their cars, according to a new survey from JD Power. They especially don’t like the native infotainment systems.

manitcor ,
@manitcor@lemmy.intai.tech avatar

Last car I bought was a 2015, infotainment in it is a disaster but completely ignorable/replaceable. If cars keep going the way they are, Ill drive what I have into the ground.

FlickOfTheBean ,

I am currently keeping my 2004 going as long as possible. These people need to just make everything configurable, like a smartphone, and then I’d make the switch. It’s the last piece of bad design that’s keeping me on an ice vehicle at this point.

<vent>I don’t want to have to look down to change the radio station just because some jackass buried it under 3 fucking menus. That’s dangerous, damn it! Fuck your research, let me configure my own shit! </vent>

Mongostein ,

They need to just put knobs and buttons for all the car stuff and bring back interchangeable faceplates so people can just get what they want/need for stereo/GPS equipment.

fubo ,

Some proposed design principles:

  1. It’s a car.
  2. It’s not a goddamn TV.
  3. It’s not your goddamn ads platform or subscription service.
  4. It is, however, a piece of life-safety-critical equipment.
  5. Because it’s a car, the driver wants to deal with car stuff like driving, navigating, fuel, roads, obstacles, and not killing people.
  6. They also want to make it passably comfortable by messing with the heat or AC, the fans, the windows, and the fucking moon roof.
  7. Messing with your phone while driving is Actually Illegal these days in civilized parts of the planet. This is for good reason: people get killed that way.
  8. If the car requires messing with your phone, or messing with something that is basically your phone, then you have failed.
  9. There should be a big knob with a fan icon on it. Turning this knob all the way to the left causes the fan to turn off all the way. Turning the knob all the way to the right causes the fan to turn on all the way.
  10. If I ever have to use a touchscreen to control the side mirrors, I will become an extremely unhappy ape.
Kalkaline ,
@Kalkaline@lemmy.one avatar

Fuck cars

fubo ,

Your kink is not my kink, but your kink is okay.

archomrade ,

Gotta get the cussy.

b34k ,

Agree… but I live in America… so there’s basically no reasonable alternative

CaptainAniki ,

Bitch I biked across this fucking continent. You have choices. Your fucking lazy.

evranch ,

Oh, for those carefree days. But someday if you have a house and a family to support, you’ll quickly find the difference between being lazy and being exhausted by your responsibilities.

I would love to take a month off and bike across the continent. That sounds incredibly lazy to me.

bobs_monkey ,

No shit, I barely have time to ride my bike around the neighborhood after work before making dinner, let alone for a month at a time.

CaptainAniki ,

That’s not the point, high-speed. You have options. Your legs work fine.

CaptainAniki ,

yeah no one ever bikes anywhere ever and its all just grown men in spandex out for a joy ride.

Yes, a month to bike across the county was awesome! I’m sure you’re just the fittest little tiger ever and doing 80 miles a day is easy-peasy!

AnAngryAlpaca ,

Sometimes people don’t want to bike 2h each day to get to work and back, especially if you live in the desert…

alsimoneau ,

Here’s an idea: don’t live in a desert.

Zron ,

Bitch I work in the trades.

You want me strap a condenser, furnace, A coil, 50 feet of line set, and 100 pounds of tools and supplies to a bicycle, and then tell my customers I can only see 2 of them a day because I’m gonna bike from each house and back to the shop for each call?

CaptainAniki ,

Sounds like a letter U problem.

Kalkaline ,
@Kalkaline@lemmy.one avatar

Yeah, I hear you. I wish I had better bike infrastructure and a decent rail system in my city.

zxo ,

I would pay more to get a car with more buttons than you can comprehend and a small little infotainment system that allows you to play music than a super futuristic car with a iPad in the center and nothing else in the center console area.

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

physical buttons for the important stuff; stuff like setting interior RBG lighting color and intensity? that can go on soft buttons.

Rivalarrival ,

If a feature can go on soft buttons, it can stay at the fucking factory.

evranch ,

For real if I wanted RGB footwell lighting I would install it myself. And I did, in my first beater car, as a dumb teenager does. I thought it looked pretty cool.

But now as a grown man I want a car to start every time, go fast when I step on the pedal, and have AC like a refrigerator. If it’s a truck I want it to pull heavy trailers and not get stuck in mud and THAT’S IT.

Currently driving a 2008 Crown Vic and a 1978 F350 on propane, both of which do exactly what I want.

Proweruser ,

Adjusting mirrors and seats can go on the touch screen as you do that before the drive and I don’t think those can stay at the factory.

awderon ,

Sometimes I have to readjust the mirrors during a trip depending on how I sit.

boonhet ,

No thanks, mirrors and seats are too important for the touch screen and sometimes need to be adjusted while driving, as you adjust your sitting position.

And really, I don’t want to spend an extra 10 seconds (if you know the car) or 2 minutes (if it’s someone else’s) to get the seat and mirrors adjusted beofre a drive. I want to get in the car, adjust things quickly, and go.

Proweruser ,

How are you people moving in your seat this much? I never had to adjust anything but the rear view mirror and that is manual anyway.

boonhet ,

I’ve adjusted mine twice in the last month alone because I needed to fold down the rear seats. But also sometimes you borrow your car to someone who doesn’t have a memory setting. Or your car doesn’t have memory seats and has multiple users.

If I have to use a touchscreen to adjust my seat once a month, that’s 11 times a year too much for me. Buttons? Fine. Levers and wheels like in old cars? Also fine.

Proweruser ,

Um yeah, you do that before you start driving. All the situations you mentioned don’t necessitate adjusting the mirrors while you are driving.

Or are you one of those people who complain about distracted driving due to touch screens, but then drive off with completely maladjusted mirrors? Bro…

Rivalarrival ,

The proper mirror position for driving on the freeway is maladjusted for parallel parking, and vice versa. Doing both in a single trip requires an adjustment.

boonhet ,

I don’t even want to do that shit on a touchscreen when I’m stopped dude, it should take less than 5 seconds so I can get moving.

deafboy ,
@deafboy@lemmy.world avatar

We share it with other people. I, personally, would just ban short people, but they do exist and they love to move the seat away from my sweet spot.

If I had to use the touchscreen to fix it every time, I’d just leave it in a ditch and set it on fire.

Rivalarrival ,

My posture is completely different in the city, where I am constantly leaning forward and looking over shoulders to clear blind spots, and my foot is regularly on brake and accelerator. Contrast on the highway, where my head and body are mostly still, and my feet are flat on the floor while using cruise control. Since I’m not moving around as much, I regularly move the seat slightly to reduce pressure points.

Similar with the mirrors: For city driving, I want my mirrors a little lower and narrower to see parking spots while backing. For freeway, a little higher and wider gives better visibility of the blind spots without needing to move around as much. For towing, I want them even lower when backing, and even higher and wider on the freeway to clear blind spots.

Yeah, I might go more than a month without touching either the seats or the mirrors at all. But, I might also be adjusting both a dozen times in a single trip.

Proweruser ,

Adjusting mirrors and seats can go on the touch screen as you do that before the drive and I don’t think those can stay at the factory.

Cortell ,

I think it’s hilarious the people waxing poetic about how dangerous it is to use touch screens while driving are downvoting you because they’re adjusting mirrors while driving.

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

EQ for the sound system?

Zron ,

My 2004 Honda accord had a good EQ, and it was all controlled with 2 buttons and the radio tuning dial to adjust the levels.

There is no need for a touchscreen in a vehicle. A small screen for displaying information is one thing, but I should not be compelled to play with what amounts to an iPad when I’m driving a car.

Rivalarrival ,

If the sound system is why the touchscreen is in the car, the sound system can stay at the factory.

nbailey ,
@nbailey@lemmy.ca avatar

Get a 2004-2009 car, yank the stereo out and throw an aftermarket headunit with android/carplay in. Best of both worlds!

Calcium5332 ,

2010-2012 will work as well if no tech package. My 2010 Lexus RX350 has no touchscreen, but still has knobs and a backup camera on the back mirror. It’s wonderful.

Rai ,

Ugh one of our cars needs a new head unit, as its mid-2000s aftermarket unit has gone bad. But I can only get the dang thing halfway out. I can’t even get to seeing the wires in the back. No idea how it was put in, but it seems the wires are too short, maybe I have to remove the whole dashboard front thing?

crossover ,

Mazda. They’ve brought back physical buttons and have support for CarPlay if you want it.

zxo ,

I’ve also heard they are decent cars, at this point I’ll just keep driving what I’ve got and hope that in a couple years, more manufacturers will return to making most things controllable by physical buttons.

Proweruser ,

Why 10? It’s not like you do that while driving.

Thing is every knob saved saves time and money during manufacturing. So the companies want to put as much as they can on the touch screen. I don’t mind if they do that with things I do before driving, I mind a lot if it’s something I have to do during the drive.

bobs_monkey ,

Yeah they do it to save money, and then charge you out the ass for “oOh LoOk ItS tHe FuTuRe”

Proweruser ,

Well prices should come down once competition from the Chinese manufacturers picks up. Hopefully at least.

In China you can get a VW ID.3 for 15000€ and a Tesla model 3 for 30.000€.

riskable ,
@riskable@programming.dev avatar

In China, you can get a VW ID.3 manufactured by a state-owned and subsidized company in China. The same is true for the Tesla Model 3.

Basically, the Chinese government is subsidizing electric car (and battery) production (and enforcing domestic protectionist policies) so of course the same version of the car is cheaper in China. The US goes with a different approach, by providing tax write-offs to people who purchase electric cars which is vastly less efficient (and more expensive to US taxpayers).

Proweruser ,

China hasn’t subsidized the EV industry in years. Don’t believe everything you hear from your 60 year old neighbour.

The fact is batteries have come down in price so much that that price of the car is absolutely economically viable. They are just milking us for all we are worth in the west.

Proweruser ,

Why 10? It’s not like you do that while driving.

Thing is every knob saved saves time and money during manufacturing. So the companies want to put as much as they can on the touch screen. I don’t mind if they do that with things I do before driving, I mind a lot if it’s something I have to do during the drive.

FireWire400 ,
@FireWire400@lemmy.world avatar

No. 9 but for media volume, touch controls are garbage and gestures are even more garbage.

Looking at you, VAG.

abcd ,

Oh yeah those shitty VAG touch controls. Went to a customer with my employee in summer. When returning home we opened the sunroof to cool the car down quickly. Couldn’t close that mf for 10kms on the autobahn until everything cooled down. Absolutely horrible.

boonhet ,

When returning home we opened the sunroof to cool the car down quickly

Wouldn’t AC cool it down quicker? And more efficiently at autobahn speeds anyway, drag is worse than running AC at speed.

I don’t disagree with you on the horribleness of the controls though. Worst part is, MB has gone the same route. I’ve got the last generation with physical HVAC buttons. I have no idea what my next car will be, but apparently Mercedes doesn’t want me to buy their cars anymore. Mazda has come out as anti-touchscreen, which I admire, but it’s going to be a hell of an adjustment in terms of suspension and drivetrain comfort.

abcd ,

The plan was to let the heat out for a couple of seconds until the ac was cooled down 😉

Had a Mazda in the past and driving a Honda now. The Japanese cars are often conservative and not as fancy as the European ones but usually they just work in my experience. They are often cheaper and maintenance is also cheaper. My 320HP Civic Type-R has the same maintenance costs then our Fiat Tipo with 120HP. Performance wise it was comparable to a A45 AMG which cost twice as much with maintenance costs about 2-3x of the Honda.

Mazda may be a smaller car brand but their combustion engines are often very innovative.

boonhet ,

I mostly drive slightly bigger cars. So while I’m fairly sure the Japanese will beat the A-class in just about every metric, but they don’t really have a good answer for C-class and above - outside of maybe Lexus, but a 3 year old Lexus is way more expensive than a 3 year old Mercedes. I buy my cars after a few years of depreciation, so I actually like the fact that German cars depreciate a lot in their first few years. But then Lexus doesn’t really have good diesel engines like the Germans do, so fuel consumption differences alone will add up a lot.

To be clear, I don’t really need or want any of the fancy features (aside from Carplay, which is starting to be ubiquitous), but just the suspension setup alone between a C-class and a Toyota Camry is vastly different. The 9 speed auto box is also excellent, to the point that I don’t even feel like I’m driving a tiny 2 liter diesel with only 190HP.

mawp ,

A special place in hell is reserved for whoever the hell keeps putting capacitive buttons on cars, ESPECIALLY when they put them on the steering wheel!

Thadrax ,

No. 9 but for media volume

Thankfully, all cars I’ve driven that had a touch screen also had some media buttons on the steering wheel. I’d prefer to have good old physical buttons in the center console, but at least you didn’t have to use the touch screen.

deafboy ,
@deafboy@lemmy.world avatar

Buttons on the wheel are better than a touchscreen, but they suffer from being all backwards sometimes, as you use the wheel for it’s intended purpose. The old Peugeots had this thing behind the wheel, you can controll the radio with, using just 2 fingers, without looking. It’s the peak user experience. Nothing will ever beat it. I feel a suden urge to buy a beer for whoever came up with it.

cartronics.co.uk/…/Peugeot-207-Steering-Wheel-Con…

Thadrax ,

French cars regularly had sometimes strange looking but often quite useful quirks.

derpysmilingcat ,

…who tf…which car maker has gestures? If you’re gonna gesture how about you gesture your damn hand over to the button?

FireWire400 ,
@FireWire400@lemmy.world avatar

I think mostly VAG (VW-owned brands) and BMW, maybe Mercedes as well. VAG uses them to sense your hand approaching the touchscreen to hide additional items “when you don’t need them”, BMW uses full-on hand waving to navigate menus.

Nioxic ,

Dont worry.

They will make it all voice controlled in the future!

TrenchcoatFullofBats ,

"Alexa, take me Starbucks and play latest episode of “Ow, My Balls”.

bob_wiley ,
@bob_wiley@lemmy.world avatar

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    dogslayeggs ,

    I read an article about how much gas it saved over a long period of time and it was a trivial amount.

    Nearly every article I can find says they save around 3% with air conditioning on when it’s warm and around 10% with AC off or when AC isn’t very active. Saving 10% of fuel is really good over the life of a car. Saving 3% isn’t much over the life of a car for you, but it’s huge when multiplied by a few billion cars worldwide.

    PrivateOnions , (edited )

    Turning AC and Heated seats and whatnot from knobs to a screen was one of the worst decisions ever by automakers

    Rozz ,

    If you can’t figure out how to put all the extra stuff in the console as a knob or button then it probably doesn’t belong there, or isn’t wanted in the first place.

    LazaroFilm ,
    @LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

    Cars should have a screen with HDMI+USB plugs. Then you connect the microcomputer of your choice, be it an Android box, an apple cad box, a Raspberry Pi. Hell manufacturers can even make their own Honda or Toyota box but make the screen connection an open standard. Then when the tech becomes old (every 5 years) you can swap it. Cars have a longer lifespan than tech.

    Chickenstalker ,

    Airlines have started to ditch their on board entertainment system and allowing people to use their smartphones instead. Cars should be like this too. Simply allow us to plug in our phones to act as the computer for entertainment, navigation and climate control. Keep tactile knobs and buttons for fall back.

    ddtfrog ,

    Isn’t that what CarPlay / android CarPlay is?

    vagrantprodigy ,

    Yes

    ramjambamalam ,

    Isn’t GM moving away from Android Auto and Apple CarPlay? How does that even work?

    TheSaneWriter ,
    @TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com avatar

    It’s honestly really stupid. I think that car manufacturers are trying to design their cars to look futuristic, while not understanding that the futuristic designs from the previous 30 years are impractical, fantastical, and stupid to pull into real life. You can really tell they aren’t actually trying to improve based on user feedback when designing these things.

    vd1n ,

    It’s wild how the machine is starting to make its own decisions. There’s no controlling it now. It lives, it breathes.

    And before op could reply vd1n vanished into a cloud of cannabis vapor and fell asleep.

    thisbenzingring ,

    Dude… Puff puff

    PASS

    Proweruser ,

    Nah, they are trying to save money. Every knob adds time and materials to the manufacturing process and thus loses money.

    TheSaneWriter ,
    @TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com avatar

    I agree for the interiors of the vehicles, but I’m not sure if the weirdly designed exteriors are more cost effective.

    SGG ,

    I’m a techie at heart.

    But the only thing my car needs to do is act as a Bluetooth speaker/mic for my phone, and have a wireless charging mount.

    When I need to use the phone for GPS/etc it goes on the mount.

    When I turn on my car it connects to my phone over Bluetooth and starts playing music. Even if it’s in my pocket (shorter trips)

    It works, it’s fast, it’s simple.

    PretentiousDouche ,

    I’m not a big fan of too much tech in cars, I hate touchscreen climate controls, and I still drive a manual transmission; but using Android auto with maps and Spotify has been amazing. And the wireless mostly works most of the time.

    PorkTaco ,

    I have the Motorla wireless adaptor and it would be hard to go back. Works every time. Never have to take my phone out of my pocket… only downside is it uses a moderate amount of battery, but for a 20 min commute it’s a non issue.

    assembly ,

    It would be nice if there was a spot provided for a mount that didn’t require some stupid vent clip or suction cup. A standard that would allow us to use a smartphone or tablet and maybe even leave one in the car (outside chance).

    Rozz ,

    I was just thinking of that the other day. They could probably get it to look pretty natural if they tried.

    FuglyDuck ,
    @FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

    when I got my current car, it had a stupid, dumb radio with a cd deck. I installed a cheap double dim with a touch screen on it and asked if they could replace the ashtray/powersocket thing. The piece they had that fit under the cover/door had a USB hub/charging station that I could drop a stack of phones in (including one connected to carplay/android auto on the new deck.)

    that was worth the $20 to install it.

    assembly ,

    That would be awesome to have as an option in my car. Instead I get to use a window suction cup or (what I chose) replace the factory radio with a double din aftermarket head unit with CarPlay. I like CarPlay but would never want to have to rely on it for things like climate control or other similar functions. As a music player and GPS I love it. I hear great things about android auto as well.

    FuglyDuck ,
    @FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

    Yup. My car is old enough it has physical buttons for the enviro and stuff. The only virtual buttons control the entertainment deck itself.

    snapeyouinhalf ,

    I just bought a 2023 Accord and all the actual car controls are still physical. The screen shows me my rear camera and CarPlay, I control everything else with knobs and buttons. So separating the important-to-operate-without-looking controls and the touch screen isn’t quite dead yet.

    reddig33 ,

    The irony is all these fancy head units wait until you pull out of the driveway and then throw up a big on screen warning about distracted driving. That you then have to take your eyes off the road to dismiss by pressing OK.

    Locrin ,

    Good for you. I love getting in the car that is cool on a hot summers day because I activated the climate control from my phone 5 minutes before leaving or having a nice toasty warm car on a freezing winter day. I enjoy telling my car I want to go to an address I have not been at before and it navigates me there without having to press more than one button or inputting an address. I then enjoy a huge nice map both in the center cluster and a big display that shows a large map so I don’t have to squint at my relatively small phone on a mount. I enjoy telling my car what I want to listen to and it plays that music. I enjoy not putting getting my phone out of my pants pocked and into a mount. Especially for shorter rides. I also especially enjoy not having my car in for oil changes, not having to stop for gas, the car having a full “tank” every morning and other such comforts.

    The car has it’s own spotify account which for me is great, because I listen to different types of music when driving compared to when I am using my phone at work or in the gym. Music services working the way they do these days it means it will suggest more great driving music when in the car and not music that is similar to what I listen to in the gym. If I want to listen to that the phone is of course connected to bluetooth and is just a input change away.

    I hope you can continue enjoying your type of desired driving experience. But realize there are other perspectives. I am also a techie at home and at work ( Cloud IT-consultant, previously Systems Architecht, previously Technician ). I also do minor work such as changing headlights, filters, and 12-volt batteries myself. I know how to change oil on a car and do some simple home improvement stuff such as simple carpentry and putting in new flooring. But when I get in my car I just want it to be in the background and don’t be in the way. Just get in and go. Being in a Tesla is where I am happiest for now.

    Lifecoach5000 ,

    Still rolling my old 2000 Honda CRV. I know nothing about any of this new car witchery.

    ramjambamalam ,

    Nice, how many miles? Did you buy it new, or how did it come to be yours?

    Lifecoach5000 ,

    I bought it brand new 23 years ago! We’re at 208k. I’m pushing for 300 we goin all the way!

    weedazz ,

    Just give me a screen for Android auto and that alone. Everything else should be knobs, especially climate controls

    AbidanYre , (edited )

    Moving parts cost money and wear out.

    And if there’s one thing the auto manufacturers are good at, it’s cutting costs.

    Iamdanno ,

    Touch screens break and wear too, and it’s more expensive to replace a touch screen than an AC fan knob.

    PixTupy ,

    Unless it happens during warranty, that costs money to the user not the manufacturer.

    AnAngryAlpaca ,

    Maybe they could remove the engine and gearbox with all their moving parts…

    Madusch ,

    I don’t know about that. I love the navigation system from my KIA, in my opinion it’s far superior to google maps. I even can set the destination remotely via the KIA app, so I don’t need to fiddle around once I’m in the car.

    dan ,

    I wish my car’s interface was more minimal.

    I don’t mean removing knobs, knobs are good. Hiding things in 5 level deep touchscreen menus is not minimal.

    I mean… removing visual noise. Removing unnecessary lights. Streamlining controls. Taking away indicators that aren’t important.

    My dashboard dials are now a screen, why can’t I have an option just to display the speed and nothing else? Why do I need to see 4 dials, two driving modes, and some other crap all the time?

    There’s a separate screen for the satnav, why does it need to have permanent menus displayed on it? Or visible buttons? Road names? Status indicators for various settings? I want an oled with a black pixels-off background, roads in gray, and my route in white. Nothing else. Not using the satnav, turn the screen off.

    Why do I need a perpetually scrolling display showing the name of the current song? Like sure I want an interface to choose music, but I don’t need to see it all the damn time.

    CarPlay is better than most native infotainment systems but it’s far from perfect in this regard.

    pacoboyd ,

    I just went through the car buying process the other day and it was between a Odyssey Luxury or EX-L. Honestly I hated all the space age dash shit they tried to cram into the Luxury version so I went EX-L. Was definitely one of the deciding factors exspecially considering it cost 10k more for basically only tech upgrades that I would never use. Ridiculous.

    The_v ,

    I just bought a car for my son last month. Things I looked for:

    No major issues or recalls on the model for 5 years. Especially no major powertrain issues.

    Easy to drive and control the vehicle.

    Big mirrors and windows to make it easy to see behind.

    Comfortable seats for driving long distances.

    AWD or 4WD for our winters.

    Android auto on the screen. Buttons and knobs for all important vehicle controls.

    The number of cars that failed to have these features was terrifyingly sad. I saw some of the dumbest designs on car interiors while test driving as well.

    The most egregious was a couple of vehicles that put major vehicle controls (knobs) right next to the cup holders. Somebody has never spilled a soda on their keyboard.

    SpeedLimit55 ,

    This is because knobs, switches and buttons are easier to use than touchscreens. I like having carplay/androidauto while still being able to turn a knob or press a button for AC, volume, radio etc.

    boonhet ,

    I have Carplay and I can use my physical rotary knob, back button, etc. In fact, that’s what makes it great for me, I get to interact with my phone using the physical controls on my car. Best of both worlds.

    zxo ,

    If something like the AC, gear switching, volume controls, or another essential function is only usable via the touchscreen, I’d just stop considering that car because it’s unsafe and time consuming to use touchscreens in cars. They’re right, too much tech in cars is very annoying and I think most people (like me) would rather have dedicated physical buttons to control most actions in a car.

    boonhet ,

    Oh shit you unlocked a memory for me.

    Can’t find it right now because I’m at work, but I believe one of the “Real People” ads from Chevy that Zebra Corner parodied on YouTube, had a person literally say they like modern car tech because it lets them “look less at the road”, which is boring.

    I mean sorry, but wtf?

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