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31337 ,

I wish there was a license for content like the GPL, that states if you use this content to train generative AI, the model must be open source. Not sure that would legally be enforceable though (due to fair-use).

Yokozuna ,

Good thing I scrubbed all of my posts and comments that I could. Fuck that site, straight up and down.

ItsAFake ,

You really think they don’t have your original comments stored?

EdibleFriend ,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

It’s literally been proven that they do. A guy here on Lemmy was a very common poster on some tech support subreddit. He used one of those account scrubbers and deleted his account. He went back to look a few weeks later and all his comments were back.

Thorny_Insight ,

I didn’t delete my account but I used a script to edit all my messages to say that I have left because of the attack on 3rd party apps and when I check now they all still say that.

XTornado ,

The point is doesn’t matter what is visible, they could be storing all the comments edit history and simply not show it.

That only helps for a third party without access to reddit data , which they could have if reddit sells it to them, from scraping the page, yes in that case your comments cannot be used.

EdibleFriend , (edited )
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

And they didn’t bother to restore you because you probably weren’t useful to make a community look attractive. He was so after he scrubbed his account, possibly with the exact same tool you did, they put everything back.

MBM ,

Because of GDPR, there should be a way to completely wipe your account

JeeBaiChow ,

Yeah. At most they’d mark the comments as inactive, hide from the user accessible areas and maybe anonymize the user id. But they definitely have the username table and the data still in the system, 100%, just waiting for the right offer.

mods_are_assholes ,

Instead of scrubbing, wordbomb them to screw up any AI training

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

There are archives of all Reddit comments that are collected at the time of posting, all the deletion and scrubbing and whatnot people are doing months or years after the fact doesn't affect those.

Coreidan ,

Oh my sweet summer child

SVcross ,
@SVcross@lemmy.world avatar

Damn it. I haven’t deleted my account due to how many people I’ve supported and helped, I stopped using it while ago. It seems I’ll have to.

HowManyNimons ,

I wouldn’t bother. They’ll just mark all your stuff DELETED=1 and feed it to their AI anyway.

SVcross ,
@SVcross@lemmy.world avatar

That’s not a bad idea.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

I'm kind of puzzled by this mindset. You were pleased with supporting and helping people before, but now supporting and helping is bad?

SVcross ,
@SVcross@lemmy.world avatar

I’m happy that everyone has the support, but not that some specific AI can monetize that same support. I left on my Reddit account ways to contact me (including Lemmy). I helped others so good vibes could reach them, not for making the rich richer.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

Fortunately there are a lot of open source models these days too.

hansl ,

In before poisoning your comments on Reddit turns into the new protest.

doingthestuff ,

Good thing I had multiple bots overwrite my content before I deleted it all. Not that someone couldn’t recover it, I’m not naive. But the AI bots should miss me.

dutchkimble ,

Any suggestion on the best way to do that?

lemba ,

There is a Plugin RES (Reddit Enhancement Suite) for Firefox, which could be run on the classic frontend of Reddit to delete everything you posted. www.alphr.com/how-to-delete-all-reddit-posts/

dutchkimble ,

Thank you!

JeeBaiChow ,

Frankly, if they’re training bots on my comments, I’d be sure to poison the shit out of those comments. Say stuff like ‘Donald trump won the election’, ‘bleach needs to be inside the body to work’, ‘Russia has rights to Ukraine’, etc. Just make the data worthless. Any free bots do that?

frostysauce ,

Reddit already has plenty of actual users doing that for free.

selokichtli ,

“Its content”, sure.

thawed_caveman , (edited )

I feel like AI companies have been scraping Reddit for their datasets already since the beginning and without permission. In fact, unless there’s been a regulation change that i’m not aware of, i’m not sure why they would have Reddit “sign away” the data when they can just scrape it.

Also dubious if the current form of AI has a future. They seem like they should revolutionize every sector when you look at their capacities, but in practice their applications might be more limited than we thought?

Anyway, if Reddit does go public i will be deleting my account within the hour. The only reason i haven’t yet is that i’ve been a moderator of the same subreddit for eight years and it’s the only thing that’s been consistent in my life in that time, i’m kind of attached. The reason i will is i didn’t sign up to create value for shareholders, i signed up to create value for a community.

ChunkMcHorkle ,
@ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world avatar

I feel like AI companies have been scraping Reddit for their datasets already since the beginning and without permission.

Well yeah, Sam Altman (Open AI) was even on the board of Reddit for a while. It’s a safe bet that they’ve been doing it for years.

RunningInRVA ,

You need to go ahead and delete your account and give up the ghost on modding whatever sub you are referring to. I’m tired of these types of posts where you are both beholden to Reddit and also not. Pick a dang side.

mounderfod ,
@mounderfod@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Pick a dang side.

Bro it’s not a war, it’s social media 😭

MBM ,

Could the sub survive a migration to the fediverse?

thawed_caveman ,

Well no, because the old sub will continue to exist and will therefore always be where everyone goes until Reddit itself dies. I really doubt admins would let me delete the sub.

frostysauce ,

You can delete your account all you want I’m sure they have everything archived already.

lvxferre ,
@lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

I am not sure on what I’m going to say, but I think that LLMs are a technological dead end. They might get some use now, but eventually the industry will shift towards better models for machine text generation. And, if those models rely on a tiny corpus of hand-reviewed data, instead of shoving down as much text as possible into the model (the first “L” in “LLM” is “large”), then Reddit posts/comments will become outright useless.

In other words: Reddit is degrading further the trust of its userbase, and it might not even get much in return.

Verserk ,

Considering some of the very wrong and upvoted domain specific knowledge I’ve seen on Reddit over the years I’m not sure the training data is going to be useful for much beyond what every other model can do.

JustZ ,

The legal advice in /r/legaladvice was some of the worst garbage I’ve ever seen. I have zero doubt numerous had bad outcomes, at best wasting money and time, at worst spending years in jail because of things that sub told them to say and do. Zero doubt.

evatronic ,

That sub was mostly cops just repeating their own bad interpretation of the law. Terrible.

ColeSloth ,

But almost every answer is the same. “You need to speak to an attorney”.

chiliedogg ,

If you actually need legal advice that’s the correct answer.

aStonedSanta ,

lol subreddits with troll names like trees vs marijuana enthusiasts. Good fun. John cena has one also but can’t recall which subreddit is actually about John cena though.

can ,

Potato salad

peopleproblems ,

I can only assume they are training some specific model for something appearing more human like.

As useless as that will be considering how fucking wildly different we type

dust_accelerator ,

Pretty sure the result will be SchizoGPT

imposedsensation ,

Is this why the privacy policy was updated?

RedditWanderer ,

/r/leopardsatemyface

gedaliyah ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

The AI:

“IANAL so could you ELI5, so AITA?

THIS.”

bigkahuna1986 ,

Ann frankly, I did Nazi that coming.

Gullible ,

I wish spez had a soul so it could leave his body when sexual assault questions eventually yield the phrase “snuggle struggle.”

storcholus ,

Holy shit do I hate that comment

bier ,

It’s funny you say that because there was a ‘hack’ for chatgpt where you could ask it something like how to build a bomb and it would refuse. But when you added TLDR it would do it.

BetaDoggo_ ,

Who’s dumb enough to pay for that? Everyone else is just scraping it for free.

saruwatarikooji ,

This is why they changed their API policy the way they did. They wanted to sell it rather than let bots scrape it for free.

Flumpkin ,

Yeah. I think there is a kind of power grab under way. Social media will try to push that they own the IP rights to the large texts uses for LLM. This will then require that producers of LLM software aquire the licensing rights which will cost many millions which in turn restricts the free use of LLM and in general any AI software that requires training data.

The end result is that as the “means of production” become less based on human work the “means of generation” and AI will be controlled by the capitalists. If you can turn something into a commodity (like knowledge with patents and IP) you can control it. Leading to a darker timeline.

nightwatch_admin ,

I don’t think it’s going to be public data alone. I think it’s going to be DMs and chats as well. I wondered why Reddit was pushing chats so much suddenly, well it makes sense now.

giddy ,
@giddy@aussie.zone avatar

Glad I nuked all my posts and comments and deleted my account last year

cyberpunk007 ,

Ha. Some time ago they just started reversing it.

Fungah ,

It was all backed up publicly on push shift. Still is.

return2ozma OP ,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

I should have nuked mine. Ugh. www.reddit.com/u/return2ozma

ozoned ,

“Reddit has given access to YOUR conversations and posts to AI companies.”. FTFY

These were created by people, for peoole, and I will ALWAYS disagree that this data is Reddit’s or any other platforms.

Don’t forget your direct messages aren’t end to end encrypted on Reddit, so now AI will be trained on your craziest “private” conversations

DocMcStuffin ,
@DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world avatar

There’s one good news. Reddit didn’t want to pay to move all the old DMs to the new chat infrastructure. So they deleted them.

hdnsmbt ,

Pretty sure they just didn’t migrate to the new data structure and didn’t actually delete the raw data. They’re effectively deleted for users but not for Reddit.

cyberpunk007 ,

Well it’s not yours once you post it on some platform, tbf

butterflyattack ,

now AI will be trained on your craziest “private” conversations

I have no idea what horrible thing this will do to an LLM but I’m kind of curious.

Thorny_Insight ,

Well to be fair, everything you post and comment on Lemmy can be used in the exact same way

atrielienz , (edited )

Oh no, all the times I sent or received dodo codes from randos so we could trade animal crossing items. Whatever shall I do?

Edit: I’m gonna leave this here for people to use as a resource against Reddit because it may be worth it to do something actionable.

thomashunter.name/…/2023-06-19-how-to-delete-redd…

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