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Etterra , in PlayStation's CEO drastically underestimates the Steam crowd's patience, thinks PC gamers will buy a PS5 for exclusive sequels

I didn’t even buy games from Big studios when they launch - I usually like to wait a year. That’s plenty of time for them to patch all the (unintended) stupid out of it, since nobody knows how to release a finished game anymore. I tend to be more forgiving with indie games, but will never again buy early access something that doesn’t have a concise roadmap, have regular updates, and communicates regularly. I’ve been burned by too much vaporware and “lol we’re done even if the game sucks” bullshit we see too often. And it’s not like we have a reason to be loyal to any brand in the 21st century. They’re not our friends.

Wolfwood1 , in PlayStation's CEO drastically underestimates the Steam crowd's patience, thinks PC gamers will buy a PS5 for exclusive sequels

Sony, the friendly publisher who is making PC gaming friends every day with their “required PSN” addition to already released games (and new ones to be published) thinks these same PC gaming folks will buy a console to play PS exclusive sequels…

Why do they think that someone who hasn’t bought a console already for games like Bloodbourne, God of War, Uncharted, Spiderman, Ghost of Tsushima, Horizon: Zero Dawn, etc. would buy one for a sequel of any of them??

Evrala ,

I was going to buy a PS5, then I figured I’d wait for the pro refresh model, then I figured I’d rather spend the money on nice headphones. Longer I go without the more the urge just… goes away.

Might get the PS6 whenever that rolls around.

arefx ,

I’d rather save for pc upgrades or a nee standing desk or something like that.

taanegl , in Save 100% on Tell Me Why on Steam

Ain’t nothing but a heartache.

sunbytes , in PlayStation's CEO drastically underestimates the Steam crowd's patience, thinks PC gamers will buy a PS5 for exclusive sequels

If it was a couple of hundred bucks maybe

But $500 plus the $70 game? Not a chance.

Kroxx ,

I’d rather upgrade a component or two for that price, you know the thing PC gamers spend money on instead of getting a console to play exclusives.

cows_are_underrated ,

And upgrading also means, that you can(depending on what your components are), have now a lot of games that you can play now, since you upgraded. You also may be able to play now with better Grafics/fps.

BigTrout75 , in Until Dawn will also require a PSN Account to play on Steam. I think we already got the message, every playstation game will now require a PSN account

Didn’t Microsoft do this with the Microsoft Live service? After so many years, they stopped supporting the service and the games are pretty much useless.

FluffyPotato , in Until Dawn will also require a PSN Account to play on Steam. I think we already got the message, every playstation game will now require a PSN account

I buy the games I wanna play because Steam makes the process hassle free on Linux and I’m old so I don’t feel like tinkering most days but PSN isn’t available here so there is no other way to play but piracy to play these games.

buddascrayon , in PlayStation's CEO drastically underestimates the Steam crowd's patience, thinks PC gamers will buy a PS5 for exclusive sequels

Gaming PCs are almost universally faster and more powerful than any gaming consoles, no matter how flashy and prettily designed. (Hell, even mid tier PCs generally kick the ass of most consoles) So why the hell would a PC gamer downgrade their gaming experience by wasting their money on a console?

Cethin ,

There is something to say about how well the storage is integrated into the PS5 in particular. The latency is much lower than PC storage generally is, even for m.2 NVMe. That probably isn’t actually that large of an issue that the games using that couldn’t work on PC, especially if you have a lot of RAM, which is even faster.

daq ,

For me it’s the paid multiplayer that ruins it.

Diurnambule ,

Yeah that amazing people are paying extra to be able to use internet

TheOakTree ,

I think that current-gen console gamers are becoming increasingly aware of the reason why consoles can still be competitive: quantity, optimization, and upscaling. It becomes very apparent when every AAA game ships with two graphics modes, performance and quality, which are usually just changes in internal resolution/upscaling, LoD, texture budget, and lighting/RT.

Purely in the perspective of gaming performance per dollar, the current-gen consoles just barely beat out mid to upper-mid range PCs, but factoring in all the other uses of a PC pushes the comparison in PC’s favor.

szczuroarturo ,

Do they? Last time i checked decent pc was at least twice as expensive. Granted pc does have advantage in versatility but if you dont need it then consoles win. Also price to performance is flawed metrics. Ultimately the only thing that matters is that game works fine. And since they are targeted for consoles first usualy they do work on them good enough. Sure on pc they technicaly can have higher resolution or a bit more detail but it really doesnt matter that much in a grand scheme of things.

Stovetop ,

A decent GPU alone will run as much as an entire PS5. You get other computer perks when building a PC, but the simple fact is that a lot of gamers are priced out of it.

bigschnitz , (edited )

I think this is completely misguided. An equivalent GPU as in the ps5 is reportedly an RTX 5700 XT ~$200.

The RTX 4060 Ti ~$400 or RTX 3080 ~$450 is comparable if you want 4k gaming, but since most people don’t have TV hardware suitable for 4k gaming it’s a dumb comparison unless you include the $2000 TV in addition to the cost of the console. The TV alone compares the cost of a competent 4k PC rig before you consider the $500 console, multiplayer subscription cost and higher price of games so unless you’re part of the niche that has a very high quality TV already, the claim that console gaming being cheaper seems mistaken.

Stovetop ,

4K TVs are not $2000, they’re incredibly cheap these days. You can get a 70-inch 4K TV at Costco or similar retailers for less than $500. And even less than that for more reasonable TV sizes.

I normally don’t like factoring in the cost of other hardware anyways because the computer will also need a monitor, mouse, keyboard, speakers, etc. which are things you don’t necessarily want to skimp on either.

bigschnitz ,

Sure you can get a cheap 4k TV way less, but without a good refresh rate and response time it’s not suitable for gaming. $2k may be high, I’ve not been in the market super recently but it’s certainly wrong to say an entry level 4k Samsung from Costco is suitable for gaming, the response time isn’t close to give the right experience. Same logic as setting graphics to 4k and playing at like 15 fps on a computer on a dog of a GPU.

A computer does need a monitor, and honestly a decent one does cost often upwards of $300, but smaller size without any of the bundled processors etc make it way cheaper than a TV that can do the same.

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  • buddascrayon ,

    My $1000 home built machine from 10 years ago can run circles around the XBox One so I respectfully disagree.

    That’s with an AMD FX-8150 and 16 GB or Ram and a standard Nvidia GeForce GTX 1050 Ti running on an 8 year old Samsung solidstate.

    FonsNihilo ,

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  • buddascrayon , (edited )

    Tflops is floating point math genius, and the FX-8150 gets around 8 of 'em so it’s handling a huge chunk of it and offloading a lot of the finer details to the graphics card. Not even mentioning the added instruction sets. The Ryzen is handling both cause all the graphics is being run through the processor instead of through a card. So it’s doing double duty. And yeah, ram makes up for a lot. There’s also separate ram on the card so in addition the the 16 gigs of ram on board the mobo, there’s 4 more gigs on the graphics board. Not to mention the vram running off the solid state. So I will happily put my 10+ year old machine right up against any and all the consoles and it will kick every one of their asses.

    I said I respectfully disagree but you wanted to take it to the floor.

    Edit: here’s a spec sheet including the tflops on the Xbox one, one s, and one x.

    Edit2edit: wrong GPU. Still, 2.1 beats the shit out of Xbox 1 and 1S at 2.1, and that’s without the processor doing all the heavy lifting.

    InternetUser2012 , in PlayStation's CEO drastically underestimates the Steam crowd's patience, thinks PC gamers will buy a PS5 for exclusive sequels

    I won’t buy a game at full price. I’ll wait till it’s a good deal on steam. I’m mouse and keyboard, console means nothing to me.

    entropicshart , in PlayStation's CEO drastically underestimates the Steam crowd's patience, thinks PC gamers will buy a PS5 for exclusive sequels

    A simple fact that consoles require a monthly subscription to play anything with friends is why they will never reach PC gaming.

    I paid for hardware, I paid for the game, I pay for the internet; fuck your subscription just to join an online server you contribute nothing to.

    Squizzy ,

    I quit their system when they changed things around and my life hasnt changed, Indont even play online.

    Tbh the way things have gone, I went and bought a PC, got some emulators and got all my catalog on to the system and any nintendo exclusives or PS exclusives I buy second hand. I have hated this generation between the ps5 and switch everything underwhelmed

    CH3DD4R_G0BL1N ,
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    It’s my red line that I will not cross. I’ve given in to some practices I hated at one point. But I will absolutely never pay for the internet twice.

    Stovetop ,

    FWIW there are exceptions to that. On PlayStation, you only need a subscription if PSN handles the online component of the game. Companies that manage their own online services don’t require it. Genshin Impact, Final Fantasy 14, Warframe, Fortnite, etc. can all be played without PS+

    smort ,
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    I thought I remember Xbox doing the the same thing for free to play Xbox games a couple years ago

    Stovetop ,

    I don’t own an Xbox so I am not quite sure, but I don’t think it applies in quite the same way, namely that in order to play Final Fantasy XIV on Xbox, I read that you need a Gamepass subscription in addition to the game subscription itself, which is not a requirement on PlayStation.

    But for truly free to play games, maybe.

    ComradePorkRoll , in PlayStation's CEO drastically underestimates the Steam crowd's patience, thinks PC gamers will buy a PS5 for exclusive sequels

    Shouldn’t it be over estimates?

    radicalautonomy , in PlayStation's CEO drastically underestimates the Steam crowd's patience, thinks PC gamers will buy a PS5 for exclusive sequels
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    I didn’t even see the latest Spider-Man film until it there was a matinee at the dollar theater. I am not paying the equivalent of a car payment to play a PS5 exclusive…I just don’t care that much, boss.

    Heavybell , in PlayStation's CEO drastically underestimates the Steam crowd's patience, thinks PC gamers will buy a PS5 for exclusive sequels
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    Some people will do it. We’re talking about people who can afford powerful rigs here, they can afford it if they care enough. So it’s not entirely stupid for Sony to try this bait thing.

    Guess that we won’t see Demon’s Souls or Bloodborne until they have an exclusive sequel locked away, tho. :(

    Mango , in PlayStation's CEO drastically underestimates the Steam crowd's patience, thinks PC gamers will buy a PS5 for exclusive sequels

    I can wait literally forever to play a console exclusive and I won’t have to because emulation.

    superfes ,

    Same, I don’t even want to buy another console, except maybe the new Switch

    kitnaht ,

    If the titles are backwards compatible anyways, then it’s only a matter of time before we can play them on the SteamDeck anyhow.

    deadcream ,

    It’s not even about waiting or patience. I’m not a teenager anymore, so I don’t have as much to play games as I used to (and I have now other interests too). I have so many great PC games in my queue I literally won’t have time to play them all until I die. The queue only gets longer with time. So what if I can’t play some console exclusive? It’s just one game in the long list of games I won’t get to play and I have no problems with that.

    veroxii ,

    Wishing you a happy demise day in advance!

    umbrella ,
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    aww so cute

    p03locke ,
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    I mean, I don’t know about you, but I have something like 50 different other games in my backlog. I don’t need to play any specific game on a console.

    I can wait. Years, even. It’ll arrive on Steam eventually. And I’ll play it. Eventually.

    taladar ,

    Most likely it is going to be one of those AAA games too and they are all shit anyway in recent years.

    JoshuaSlowpoke777 ,

    I don’t have the tech-saavy for emulation, and I’ll still wait for console exclusives to come out on PC (unless we’re talking Nintendo exclusives I’m actually interested in). I’ve actively waited for Ghost Signal: A Stellaris Game to no longer be a Facebook exclusive, and now I’m doing the same for Out Of Scale.

    Mango ,

    Facebook exclusive? WTF am I reading?

    JoshuaSlowpoke777 ,

    Remember when Facebook’s overarching company bought out Oculus? Well, some VR games seem to start out as exclusives on the “quest” headsets. (I know Facebook [the parent company] changed their name to “Meta”, but I refuse to acknowledge that)

    Mango ,

    Pls save me from the capital leeches.

    smort ,
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    Yeah there’s a first person NFL VR game, but last I heard, it was still oculus exclusive

    EatATaco , in PlayStation's CEO drastically underestimates the Steam crowd's patience, thinks PC gamers will buy a PS5 for exclusive sequels

    I don’t get why people are so confident that this is a dumb move that won’t work. We know games are buggy at launch, and people rush to buy them anyway. And then the forums are filled with people losing their shit that the game has bugs in it and isn’t perfect. This idea that gamers are some patient group doesn’t reflect the reality I’ve seen over the past 2 decades.

    UndercoverUlrikHD , in PlayStation's CEO drastically underestimates the Steam crowd's patience, thinks PC gamers will buy a PS5 for exclusive sequels

    With the way image quality have gone down the drain on consoles thanks to DRS and FSR, I honestly can’t imagine spending money on hardware I don’t have control over those variables.

    Churbleyimyam ,

    It’s like getting a girlfriend who starts nagging you before you’ve even fallen in love with her.

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