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redrumBot ,
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From wikipedia:

Charlene Alexander Mitchell (June 8, 1930 – December 14, 2022) was an American international socialist, feminist, labor and civil rights activist. In 1968, she became the first Black woman candidate for President of the United States.[1][2]

Charlene Alexander Mitchell

John_McMurray ,

Oh hey just remembered there was an incident like that in 1880 or so. White woman kicked off the ballot but still ran depending on definition

intensely_human ,

Well, maybe we can make a little progress this year.

John_McMurray ,

Maybe if Michelle gets the nomination. Kamala isn’t black.

Etterra ,

Sample size too small, please try again in 1000 years.

Flax_vert ,

Bold of you to think the yanks will have a good enough sample size in 1000 years

Facebones ,

STONKS

Nollij ,

Ignoring how meaningless the statement is in the first place, obligatory XKCD.

xkcd.com/1122/

AngryCommieKender ,

Interestingly, if Kamala wins, that last streak will still hold true.

Ullallulloo ,
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Way more people than that have lost in the general election (hundreds, if not thousands), including Cynthia McKinney in 2008 as the most successful black female loser, but plenty of other black women have lost the general election.

ipkpjersi ,

Trump has also never won the general election for POTUS against a man but is undefeated against women so far, so let’s hope that changes. For America, and the rest of the world, he better not win.

itsnotits ,

he’d* better not win

DontTreadOnBigfoot ,
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Beating women does seem to be on-Brand for him…

FordBeeblebrox ,

Trump has also never won the general election for POTUS

Sooo we can expect the system of white landowning men to win again this time, much as it pains me to say

ipkpjersi ,

I don’t think that’s fair to say, I’m white and a landowner and I can’t stand the guy.

cupcakezealot ,
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trump didn’t beat hillary clinton; james comey did.

callouscomic ,

I have also never lost an Olympics, or lost a Formula 1 race, or lost a fight against Mike Tyson, or lost the Super Bowl.

jeffw OP ,
@jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

This is your year dude, good luck in Paris!

chonglibloodsport ,

It’s equally valid to say that a black woman has lost the election every time.

Edit: Vacuous truth

caden ,

Not really, since in most (all?) U.S. presidential elections to date there has not been a black woman on the ballot. I think there’s an important semantic difference between losing and not winning. The equal but opposite statement to the OP would be that a black woman has never won the election, which is true.

chonglibloodsport ,

Read the wiki article. If a black woman has never been on the ballot then every possible statement you make beginning with “for all black women who have ever been on the ballot…” is true.

caden ,

Yes, because now you’ve added the critical qualifier “who have ever been on the ballot”. Without that, it doesn’t hold.

No black woman has ever won the election or lost the election, because the set of black women who have ever been on the ballot before is empty.

ByteJunk ,
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I get the feeling in OPs post, but for those unfamiliar, there are more people on the ballot other than the 2 main picks. This even varies by state, as they can have different criteria for defining who makes it to the ballot.

So perhaps a black woman has at some point ran for president (as in, made it to the ballot at least)?

Kolanaki ,
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Hell, at least one, Shirley Chisholm, campaigned to be on the Democrat ballot in 1977. That counts as running for president, even if they don’t win the primary right?

jeffw OP ,
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That’s why I specified “general”. I’m not sure a Black woman was ever on a general election ballot

jeffw OP ,
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I’m not sure it’s happened in a general though. Maybe a super small party but I’m not aware of a Green or Libertarian candidate that was Black

Ullallulloo ,
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Cynthia McKinney?

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  • Olhonestjim ,

    Ok loser, well I’m going to vote once for Kamala even harder.

    Kolanaki ,
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    Ok then, if you don’t vote then you don’t get to complain about the government or politics. Thems the rules.

    boatsnhos931 ,

    I’ll tickle your pickle if you vote for me

    themurphy ,

    Can’t you vote for anyone else then?

    yuuunikki ,

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  • themurphy ,

    Doesn’t really matter what you write in. The higher the % is for votes on non of the candidates, the more likely is the change.

    Vinny_93 ,

    What really bugs me is that both sides are just attacking the other rather than talking about why they are the right choice. US elections are always about smear campaigns

    halvar ,

    From what I see most elections always are.

    Vinny_93 ,

    It’s not what I’m used to in the Netherlands. There are personal attacks sometimes, but mostly by guys who don’t have the best reputation in the first place.

    Tlaloc_Temporal ,

    This is most of my memory of Canadian elections too. I wish even mentioning other parties wasn’t allowed in campagin material, like how in some parts of government politicians can only refer to each other by title and not by name.

    Feathercrown ,

    Ok, but then who informs the public about the other party actually doing something bad

    Tlaloc_Temporal ,

    Debates and actually adressing the problems.

    You can’t say “Party X just wants your money”, try “Our party will help you keep your money”, or even “Unlike some parties today, we will put your taxes to good use”.

    It’s a lot harder to make a compelling attack without a concrete focus. “Some parties are corrupt” is so trivially true that’s it embarassing, but “Party X is corrupt” is a rallying cry.

    It won’t prevent lies by any means, but since specific claims can only be nade about your own party it gives an advantage to talking about your own party instead of every ad being incredibly negative claims one step off of a flame war. Hopefully that leads to building a strong case and then defending that case during debates, but at least the ads will have less direct negativity.

    Feathercrown ,

    It would be more positive, but potentially less accurate. A party that does a lot of very specific and bad stuff but has some vaguely good policies to point towards would beat a neutral party, even if they shouldn’t.

    Tlaloc_Temporal ,

    Maybe if you only see the political ads of a single party. It would still be better because you would know of even a single stance of one party.

    Last election, I can’t remember a single actual stance taken by any party based on political ads. They were all attack ads. Without discussion you couldn’t separate the resonable accusations from the trash anyway.

    Basing your politocal opinions purely on ads is a terrible stance anyway, and the party best at fearmongering will win there. There aren’t any restrictions on ads that can fix people forming opinions only on ads anyway, we’d need to encourage public political debates and discourse instead.

    Kolanaki ,
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    I remember the first election I was old enough to vote in (the 2004 election) paying close attention to all the political ads I saw and, at least for that election, only the Republican ads were focused on “other guy bad, so vote me.” The opposing side’s ads were entirely focused on their own platform and never even mentioned the other side.

    Nollij ,

    There was a time, a few decades ago, when there was a real demand to get away from the negativity of most campaigns. Everyone says they wanted it, polls clearly showed it, etc.

    But then there was another study which analyzed the effectiveness of campaigns (i.e. if they won) vs how negative they went.

    Negativity was clearly proven to be the winning tactic.

    Modva ,

    I like Kamala. You have a real shot at taking Trump out with her. The stakes could not be higher. Maybe for the world. He is a truly dangerous person.

    I wonder if I can get the next statement out without venom coming back at me, but I’ll say it anyway:

    I think you guys should try hard to steer the rhetoric away from anything polarizing (race or gender), and do everything you can to create inclusion (from anyone). I’m seeing a lot of things like that, and I don’t think it plays out into more support. And there’s nothing more important now than maximizing support.

    Carighan ,
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    She’s the first candidate in a while where I feel she might genuinely be good as a president, not just “not bad”.

    Gradually_Adjusting ,
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    I feel similarly, but my whole life Democrats keep thinking “maybe if I compromise with the right wing and move right, I’ll get more votes” and saying aw dang better luck next time when the right wing’s dwindling base votes red down the whole ticket, while party insiders actively sideline Democrats who win big on left wing messaging. So when I hear Harris striking a tone of inclusion and unity, I’m glad because I feel it’s laudable, but I’m also not thrilled because I’ve heard this song before.

    MindTraveller ,

    The problem isn’t appealing to centrist moderates. The problem is getting leftists excited to vote. Polarising is good.

    Maalus ,

    “polarising” is how you lose elections.

    MindTraveller ,

    Funny, I thought it’s how the Republicans won 2016

    nomous ,

    Says who?

    southsamurai ,
    @southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Only if you only count two parties.

    Lost_My_Mind ,

    Dude…I’m 40. I probably don’t have the energy for ONE party tonight. Let alone TWO!!!

    UGGGGHHHHHH…

    slaps own face really hard, chugs 750ml of whiskey, and splashes some water on my face

    OK…LETS DOOOO THISSSSSS!!! RAAAAWWWWRRRRRRR!!!

    southsamurai ,
    @southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Middle aged rave up in here! Woooooot

    Okay, I’m spent, going to bed now

    Burninator05 ,

    I’m already there.

    Jimbo ,
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    Rawrr :3

    JackbyDev ,

    x3

    sxan ,
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    a few moments later

    Zzzzzzzzzzz…

    JasonDJ ,

    As someone whose almost 40…hyep.

    I remember one night me and a friend passed a handle of gin back and forth and drank the whole thing right from the bottle. What the hell happened? That was only like 15 years ago.

    Lost_My_Mind ,

    You ever heard of Bacardi 151? It was an alcohol that was 151 proof. 75% alcohol by volume.

    My friend used to buy this $80 bottle. It was huge. Bought it every week. We’d do shots from 7pm, until ???. We’d wake up the next day, bottle empty, no clue what happened past 10pm, but we’d always find evidence we were up until at least 6am.

    They don’t even MAKE that stuff anymore because they said it was too dangerous.

    Now I drink like 6-8 beers and I’m thinking its getting late.

    nomous ,

    They still make and sell 151. Hell I can buy Everclear (190 proof) at Walmart where I live.

    edit: I stand corrected they stopped making 151 in 2016, though Everclear is still on the market.

    Vinny_93 ,

    Someone said to me that even if the majority would now vote for a third party, they wouldn’t get anything done because the Senate Ave Congress are still all dems and reps.

    I don’t know enough about how US elections work though

    themurphy ,

    It’s just an excuse.

    They will be hard to deal with, but for the first time ever, they need to learn compromise.

    It also opens up for legitimate third part candidates in next Senate election.

    reddig33 ,

    I know she didn’t make it all the way to the general election, but I’d like to take a moment to remind everyone about Shirley Chisholm.

    history.com/…/shirley-chisholm-career-milestones

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